Why Don't We Just Ban Cigs?

[TJ60]

Now it's a $100 fine if u light up a smoke with ur kids in the car lol! Personally I wouldn't care if they did ban cigs, I can't stand the smoke. Burns my eyes, makes me stuffed up and have u ever kissed a smoker? YUK!!!

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - California motorists will risk fines of up to $100 next year if they are caught smoking in cars with minors, making their state the third to protect children in vehicles from secondhand smoke.
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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday signed a bill that will make it an infraction to smoke in a vehicle if someone under age 18 is present. But the traffic stop would have to be made for another offense, such as speeding or an illegal turn, before the driver could be cited for smoking.

The ban, which takes effect Jan. 1, joins a string of smoking prohibitions adopted in California, including a ban on smoking in enclosed workplaces and within 25 feet of a playground.

A Harvard School of Public Health report issued last year said secondhand smoke in cars can be up to 10 times more of a health risk than secondhand smoke in a home.

"Protecting the health of our children is among government's highest responsibilities," said the bill's author, state Sen. Jenny Oropeza, a Democrat. "It is clear that increasing public awareness about the dangers of secondhand smoke is the right thing to do."

At least 20 states and a number of municipalities have considered limiting smoking in cars where minors are present. Arkansas now bans smoking in cars with children age 6 and younger, while Louisiana has limited it when children 13 and younger are in the vehicle. Maine lawmakers will take up the issue in January.

[the squid of despair]

I fully agree that they should be banned, even though I smoke. It's an extreme hazard and is a disgusting habit.

[Jimmy James]

that secondhand smoke is some deadly shit... that's why I smoke, I figure it's safer to get the smoke first hand

[the squid of despair]

that secondhand smoke is some deadly shit... that's why I smoke, I figure it's safer to get the smoke first hand

People often say that non-smokers are at a greater risk from second hand smokers than the actual smokers. What they fail to realise is that smokers get first hand and second hand smoke.

[Taste of Britain]

if they banned cigs, where will they get all the extra cash from fines from :P

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

I fully agree that they should be banned, even though I smoke. It's an extreme hazard and is a disgusting habit.

It's rare to hear a smoker admit that. I'd rep ya if I could.



Personally, I hate cigarettes and would never date a smoker.....BUT....this law is kinda silly. If a parent is smoking in the car with their kids, it's probably likely they are smoking at home too. How is the 15 minutes a day in the car with the smoke really going to affect their overall health if mom and dad are lighting up at home?

Seems like another revenue generator... Arnold is sweating bullets to not have to raise CA taxes....

[Santo]

It's rare to hear a smoker admit that. I'd rep ya if I could.



Personally, I hate cigarettes and would never date a smoker.....BUT....this law is kinda silly. If a parent is smoking in the car with their kids, it's probably likely they are smoking at home too. How is the 15 minutes a day in the car with the smoke really going to affect their overall health if mom and dad are lighting up at home?

Seems like another revenue generator... Arnold is sweating bullets to not have to raise CA taxes....


I completly agree with the squid on this one, and im a smoker too, and they should fine people if they are driving and smoking, it's a distraction that can cause a lot of accidents, and im willing to bet it does.... And going for the cash would certainly get me off the smokes eventually.

*edit* and Im sure a person that works spends a lot more than 15 minutes in their cars a day.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

I completly agree with the squid on this one, and im a smoker too, and they should fine people if they are driving and smoking, it's a distraction that can cause a lot of accidents, and im willing to bet it does.... And going for the cash would certainly get me off the smokes eventually.

*edit* and Im sure a person that works spends a lot more than 15 minutes in their cars a day.


Hey you're preaching to the choir here! I hate smoking. It's nasty, disgusting, and I would never date a smoker.

But where do we draw the line for personal freedoms?

I support the ban in bars and resturants because they are affecting MY HEALTH (second hand smoke), but if you want to puff your cancer sticks in your own personal property (car) or at home...... who am I to judge? :dunno:

As for the children, it's nice to see a law that protects their rights, even when their parents are making poor decisions. I agree with that part :) Too bad the law is written so that they only get fined if they are pulled over first for a moving violation.

I work and spend less than 15 minutes a day in my car with the kids. Maybe that is abnormal? :cheeky:

I never really thought about the smoking causes accidents component....good point. I dont smoke so I don't really know how difficult it is to drive at the same time, lol

[Santo]

I never really thought about the smoking causes accidents component....good point. I dont smoke so I don't really know how difficult it is to drive at the same time, lol


Well it's as bad as talking on the cellphone, and there is no such a thing as a handsfree smoke :P

And you live in Cali and drive less than 15 minutes a day :glare: there is something seriously wrong with that

[the squid of despair]

Well it's as bad as talking on the cellphone, and there is no such a thing as a handsfree smoke :P



You're insane, it's not much of a distraction...

[Santo]

You're insane, it's not much of a distraction...

lighting up a cigg while driving is just as bad as trying to answer a phone without a hands free.... how many times have you jump all over your car cause you dropped the bud?

[the squid of despair]

lighting up a cigg while driving is just as bad as trying to answer a phone without a hands free.... how many times have you jump all over your car cause you dropped the bud?

I disagree to both points. I have never jumped all over my car after dropping a bud, I'll pull over if anything.

[TJ60]

yea he don't jump on his car, he runs his bike into trucks:grin: sorry couldn't resist.


Santo has a point though, doesn't it piss u off when someone throws a cig out the window and it sparks off ur windshield? I'm guilty of throwing boiled peanut shells out the window though:hidey: Another thing women don't put makeup on while ur driving, wake ur ass up earlier and do it.

[Colonel Sanders]

Why don't they ban it? lol I thought everyone knew that question.

It's called money

[Santo]

If you are going to be a smartass it's the answer that we all know, but debate is the point here, so make a point :|

[Colonel Sanders]

If you are going to be a smartass it's the answer that we all know, but debate is the point here, so make a point :|

How is that being a smartass? I just stated a fact :/

It doesn't really require an debate because it can be summed up in one word: money

It explains everything about the subject.
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But yeah my thoughts about cigarettes in general (although that wasn't the point of this thread as far as the OP's post was concerned)
is that they are despicable. However I look at it like this, all smokers are fucking dumbassess and in some measure, worthless and have no will. But they are killing themselves in the process so it's a win as far as I'm concerned. However I make it quite clear that no smoker will ever smoke around me, and if they refuse (and some have) I punch em/kick em in the balls...tear apart their whole pack...which I believe I mentioned in an earlier thread.

[TJ60]

Phillip Morris is shutting down plants, the lawsuits and stuff is killing the cig industry.


p.s.
Rkiller consider this your first warning, you can post without all the obcene words.

[Flashman]

However I make it quite clear that no smoker will ever smoke around me, and if they refuse (and some have) I punch em/kick em in the balls...tear apart their whole pack...which I believe I mentioned in an earlier thread.

damn - that's pretty intense :|

[hoos]

Phillip Morris is shutting down plants, the lawsuits and stuff is killing the cig industry.


p.s.
Rkiller consider this your first warning, you can post without all the obcene words.

Phillip Morris is producing just as strong as ever. They are shutting down plants and moving them to Richmond. They opened a couple ginormous plants to be a little closer to HQ.

And K.A.F. is right. They don't ban cigarettes because of money. My dad would be out of a job faster than you can say cigarette if they banned 'em.

[the squid of despair]

But yeah my thoughts about cigarettes in general (although that wasn't the point of this thread as far as the OP's post was concerned)
is that they are despicable. However I look at it like this, all smokers are fucking dumbassess and in some measure, worthless and have no will. But they are killing themselves in the process so it's a win as far as I'm concerned. However I make it quite clear that no smoker will ever smoke around me, and if they refuse (and some have) I punch em/kick em in the balls...tear apart their whole pack...which I believe I mentioned in an earlier thread.


This coming from a pathetic loser who wants to kill himself. I really wish this wasn't in SD so I could flame you. By the by, that's not the real rkiller. The spelling was waaay too good.

[Spork!!!]

I think exposing kids to 2nd hand smoke is wrong, in the car or the home. I guess they would ban both but the 2nd would be almost impossible to police, also in most homes the kids have their own room where they can escape the smoke, it's harder @ 55 mph. I suppose the kids always have the option of suing mum and dad later on though if they have any respiratory problems, or possibly even if they become nicotine addicts themselfs.
I'm a typical "reformed smoker" but when I did puff (for about 22 years) the only "kids" I ever smoked around were my schoolmates.

ps. anyone really wanna give up but lack the willpower? Zyban worked for me. ;)

[Colonel Sanders]

This coming from a pathetic loser who wants to kill himself. I really wish this wasn't in SD so I could flame you.

Yeeeeees because me being upset about how the world runs has anything to do with what I'm saying here or the convictions I hold.......if anything it would explain why I feel more strongly about it:hehe: fucking dumbass, try thinking things out before your so quick to flame...makes you look quite idiotic.

[Mitch]

I suppose the kids always have the option of suing mum and dad later on though if they have any respiratory problems, or possibly even if they become nicotine addicts themselfs.

You can't sue anyone if you're dead mate..

[PinkPanther]

cigs have killed people and lead to cancer... they dont ban something like that but yet they ban steroids and there is no proven study that steroids lead to death or are harmful to people *if used properly and not abused* sounds pretty dumb to me....

[TJ60]

cigs have killed people and lead to cancer... they dont ban something like that but yet they ban steroids and there is no proven study that steroids lead to death or are harmful to people *if used properly and not abused* sounds pretty dumb to me....


lets ask chris benoit about that

[Mitch]

lets ask chris benoit about that

You didn't put the next 6 words in bold mate.

[TJ60]

he had medical teams helping him to "not abuse it" there is no safe way. Also why would they just ban something without testing it? They have conducted plenty of test to prove it isn't good for you, and can mess you up mentally. If you smoke a cig will u flip out and kill someone? No because you usually smoke it after you killed someone.

[Ruffio]

i dont really worry about second hand but i'd definately not smoke around kids: bad influence. anyways, for me its worth the risks, taking a break and enjoying a cig and coffee. an addiction based motivation system if you will

[tca]

Im with craig, can't stand smoke, the shit burns my eyes, that being said, i think they should just ban smoking altogether already, they're halfway there.

[Ruffio]

does anyone really see a total ban in the US in the near future? state and federal revenue on tobacco is about $18.5 billion currently. (so im thinking the answer is no)

[BlacKeviL]

my friend got cancer just after 2months of smoking. He died aged 17.

I only now smoke at partys and when im high i tend to buy a pack of 10

[tca]

You still smoke even after he died?

You'd think that would tell you something.................

[Reprah]

Cancer is the modern method of natural selection.

[Colonel Sanders]

Cancer is the modern method of natural selection.

Cancer you get from smoking maybe...other cancers not so much. Besides don't you know medical science has already found a cure for 70% of all cancers? The governments simply refuse to manufacture it because it is not worth the immense cost...heh but I guess a multi billion dollar war that is acheiving nothing and is actually taking lives rather than saving them is.

[Ruffio]

i was reading an article about aging and death and they were saying how no matter how healthy your body is, you will adventually get cancer because of cell mutations which happen naturally through out life and it is an inevitability that we would all get cancer if nothing else takes our lives.

[BlacKeviL]

Even thought he died i have no stopped it, because ive had a family member die in a car crash, does this mean i cannot or shouldnt drive again? i show and will always send respect to my friend.

[tca]

Even thought he died i have no stopped it, because ive had a family member die in a car crash, does this mean i cannot or shouldnt drive again? i show and will always send respect to my friend.

No disrespect or anything when i say, you're a fucking idiot.

Different scenarios........people drive because they have too, you smoke because why?

[BlacKeviL]

well i stopped for ages. But i kinda started when this stress came on me. Ive been kicked out of home and everything is going wrong for me atm..so i started smoking as it helps me calm down and relax

[tca]

Drink or smoke weed, you'll be better off ;)

[hoos]

Drink or smoke weed, you'll be better off ;)

Weeds got 480x the carcinogens that cigarettes do, but nowadays, what doesn't cause cancer?

Yes smoking increases your cause for cancer, but look at my family. My aunt has had breast cancer twice, and never smoked in her life. My other aunt has smoked religiously for the past 20 years, is a nurse, fake tans like it's her job (even though she's a N.P.) and never even come close to having cancer.

A ban on cigarettes will never happen. It's what this country was built on. If you don't believe that, see who the first financiers of settling in America were.

[Colonel Sanders]

Yes smoking increases your cause for cancer, but look at my family. My aunt has had breast cancer twice, and never smoked in her life. My other aunt has smoked religiously for the past 20 years, is a nurse, fake tans like it's her job (even though she's a N.P.) and never even come close to having cancer.

It's all about the genes..some of us are fortunate enough to be able to do that and never get cancer or just sick in general....not that a person should do it anyways.

[Ruffio]

Drink or smoke weed, you'll be better off ;)

people tell me this all the time. the problem is i wouldnt be able to keep a job while drunk and just dont like weed at all. cigs give mild relaxation so you can still be alert/productive. obviousely this is at the expense of your health (but really, what isnt these days)

[bzzt]

clove cigs smell far worse than regular tobacco cigs. i dunno if clove cigs are less or more healthy than tobacco cigs.

[Ruffio]

clove cigs are 60% tobacco 40% clove. they say theyre just as bad as regualr cigs and make your lungs bleed... i think the same may be true for menthols

[tca]

Weeds got 480x the carcinogens that cigarettes do, but nowadays, what doesn't cause cancer?
.

Exactly :hehe:

[Ridgeback]

Anyone heard of benzo(a)pyrene? It's a product of incomplete combustion and is present in quite a few types of smoke, not just cigarrettes (also on burnt toast!), so, not only smokers are at risk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzopyrene

carry on

[PinkPanther]

he had medical teams helping him to "not abuse it" there is no safe way. Also why would they just ban something without testing it? They have conducted plenty of test to prove it isn't good for you, and can mess you up mentally. If you smoke a cig will u flip out and kill someone? No because you usually smoke it after you killed someone.

if he was being monitored by a doctor then he would have been taking 250-500 mg a week... some professional bodybuilders take 500mg a DAY, on average they take 1500-3500 a week


whatever happened to just calling people crazy?

and actually if u did your so called *research* you would know that the FDA or AMA cant remember did not want it banned and said it was alright for the public, the government went ahead and banned it w/o paying attention to them.

I'm not basing what i'm saying on this video but check it out if you have some free time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj8IPHGU

[SEEM]

Ban cola too?
http://www.gotohealth.com/articles/read.cfm?article_id=33

[Smash Bros]

Ban cola too?
http://www.gotohealth.com/articles/read.cfm?article_id=33

hows about ban you...

if you believe people should ban cola then please make a thread about it.


and on topic yes cigs should be banned in total. although with the amount of money made it shall never happen. well in the near future anyways.

[Sharksbite!]

Ban cigarettes, that's just stupid. First off, I don't buy all of crap about second hand smoke. More like smoke and mirrors science to facilitate some bullshit agenda. These are the same people that brought us margarine, saccharin, nutrisweet, and, ephedra. All the studies have shown them to be safer and better for you than butter, sugar, or exercise. Right.

We’d be better off if we banned cars. Many people smoke for years without any ill affects. Try sucking on a vehicle tail pipe for just five minutes and see what happens. These same people bitch about spending a couple hours a month in a bar having to breath second hand smoke, but spend hours a day sitting in traffic, being force fed the exhaust of the vehicles around them by their a/c, or the heater fan, without any worries whatsoever.

What do you want to bet that you could put together a second hand exhaust study that explains the remaining cancers that cannot be attributed to tobacco.

As for kids, they’re noisy, messy, irritating, and shouldn’t be in the car with me anyway.

Don't like smoke, open a smoke free bar, but leave me and my smelly old bar alone.

[Smash Bros]

Ban cigarettes, that's just stupid. First off, I don't buy all of crap about second hand smoke. More like smoke and mirrors science to facilitate some bullshit agenda. These are the same people that brought us margarine, saccharin, nutrisweet, and, ephedra. All the studies have shown them to be safer and better for you than butter, sugar, or exercise. Right.

We’d be better off if we banned cars. Many people smoke for years without any ill affects. Try sucking on a vehicle tail pipe for just five minutes and see what happens. These same people bitch about spending a couple hours a month in a bar having to breath second hand smoke, but spend hours a day sitting in traffic, being force fed the exhaust of the vehicles around them by their a/c, or the heater fan, without any worries whatsoever.

What do you want to bet that you could put together a second hand exhaust study that explains the remaining cancers that cannot be attributed to tobacco.

As for kids, they’re noisy, messy, irritating, and shouldn’t be in the car with me anyway.

Don't like smoke, open a smoke free bar, but leave me and my smelly old bar alone.

second hand smoke is bad for you. i found that out myself as i grew up around smokers and now i have the lungs of a 50yr old smoker. ive never had a drag of a smoke myself. i grew up in the country away from alot of traffic and even now i live in the city i still hardly go out for a drive and i live closer to the edge of town with no traffic. soo no polution from traffic didnt effect me that much but others smoking did.

[Ruffio]

i agree ppl shouldnt smoke around kids but what about at a bar (that allows smoking)? or even in your own home?

[TJ60]

Ban cigarettes, that's just stupid. First off, I don't buy all of crap about second hand smoke. More like smoke and mirrors science to facilitate some bullshit agenda. These are the same people that brought us margarine, saccharin, nutrisweet, and, ephedra. All the studies have shown them to be safer and better for you than butter, sugar, or exercise. Right.

We’d be better off if we banned cars. Many people smoke for years without any ill affects. Try sucking on a vehicle tail pipe for just five minutes and see what happens. These same people bitch about spending a couple hours a month in a bar having to breath second hand smoke, but spend hours a day sitting in traffic, being force fed the exhaust of the vehicles around them by their a/c, or the heater fan, without any worries whatsoever.

What do you want to bet that you could put together a second hand exhaust study that explains the remaining cancers that cannot be attributed to tobacco.

As for kids, they’re noisy, messy, irritating, and shouldn’t be in the car with me anyway.

Don't like smoke, open a smoke free bar, but leave me and my smelly old bar alone.

learn to read and comprehend, the thread title was into reference to the strict laws being applied almost monthly to the tobacco industry that its just gotten so far out of control we might as well ban it. If you want to choke on your cancer sticks, then fine it should be your choice and not what some congressman in washington thinks while chomping on his cigar. Same with seat belts, if your 21 yrs old it should be your choice to wear it or not!

[Smash Bros]

i agree ppl shouldnt smoke around kids but what about at a bar (that allows smoking)? or even in your own home?

at a bar- what about the people that dont smoke that are also there. should they also have to put up with the smoke if you want to?? i like what they are doing here. you want to smoke they now have smoke areas outside undercover. altough the laws are strict on the areas.

at your own home- if there are no kids there go for it.

[Colonel Sanders]

I don't even like people smoking inside their own home. Outside sure.

Reason being is that I have moved into two different houses in my time where the previous owners were smokers. In certain hot days you could literally smell the cig smoke in certain parts of the house. Also whenever you took a warm shower in the wash room the walls glowed yellow and you could also smell it a bit, was not pleasant.

[Smash Bros]

I don't even like people smoking inside their own home. Outside sure.

Reason being is that I have moved into two different houses in my time where the previous owners were previous smokers. In certain hot days you could literally smell the cig smoke in certain parts of the house. Also whenever you took a warm shower in the wash room the walls glowed yellow and you could also smell it a bit, was not pleasant.

know the feeling. i helped someone clean their house after the old tenant passed away. the whole house was almostblack from the nicotine stains everywhere.

[Rocket2143]

Cig's aren't banned cause millions of people out there are making tons of people rich.

[Rocket2143]

know the feeling. i helped someone clean their house after the old tenant passed away. the whole house was almostblack from the nicotine stains everywhere. it's disgusting isn't it? i also have to go to my aunts every year, she smokes 3 packs a day, and she's only 49. I'll miss her..

But to answer the question, the government doesn't ban cigars, and cigarettes because so many companies are making millions.

[Smash Bros]

i know why they dont ban it.

although weed is banned and it is natural and non addictive....

thats right the government doesnt know how to make money off of it...

[TJ60]

http://www.b3tards.com/u/a609ede35986cfd048a1/banned-it-big.gif