California Burning

[Lucas]

SAN DIEGO - More than a quarter-million people were urged to flee their homes across Southern California on Monday as wildfires blown by fierce desert winds raced over the landscape with terrifying speed, even leaping a 10-lane freeway in a matter of minutes.
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At least one person was killed, and dozens were injured. Scores of homes and other buildings were feared burned, and thousands more were threatened as more than a dozen blazes formed a hellish, spidery pattern of luminous orange covering at least 310 square miles of the drought-stricken region.

"The sky was just red. Everywhere I looked was red, glowing. Law enforcement came barreling in with police cars with loudspeakers telling everyone to get out now," said Ronnie Leigh, 55, who fled her home at a mobile home park as flames darkened the sky over the nearby ridge line.

Firefighters — who lost valuable time trying to persuade stubborn homeowners to leave — were almost completely overwhelmed as gale-force winds gusting to 70 mph scattered embers on the dry brush. California officials pleaded for help from fire departments in other states.

"A lot of people are going to lose their homes today," San Diego Fire Capt. Lisa Blake said.

More than 265,000 people from Malibu to San Diego were warned to leave their homes. More than 250,000 were told to flee in San Diego County alone, where hundreds of patients were moved by school bus and ambulance from a hospital and nursing homes, some in hospital gowns and wheelchairs. Some carried their medical records in large zip-lock plastic bags.

A 1,049-inmate jail in Orange County was evacuated because of heavy smoke. The prisoners were taken by bus to other lockups.

At San Diego's Qualcomm Stadium, home to the NFL's Chargers, thousands of people huddled in eerie silence on the bleachers, staring at muted TV news reports of the wildfires. A lone concession stand served coffee and doughnuts.

Many evacuees gathered in the parking lot with their pets, which were banned from the stadium.

The sprawling Del Mar Fairgrounds on the coast was also turned into an evacuation center, along with high schools and senior centers.

At least one of the fires, in Orange County, was believed to have been set. And a blaze threatening the homes of the rich and famous in Malibu might have been caused by downed power lines, authorities said. Another blaze was started by a car fire. Flying embers started new fires at every turn.

The blaze was burning so fast that authorities did not have an accurate count of how many homes had been destroyed.

"It was nuclear winter. It was like Armageddon. It looked like the end of the world," Mitch Mendler, a San Diego firefighter, said as he and his crew stopped at a shopping center parking lot to refill their water truck from a hydrant near a restaurant. Asked how many homes had burned, he said, "I lost count."

Tom Sollie, 49, ignored evacuation orders in Rancho Bernardo to help his neighbors spray roofs on his street with water. His home was untouched, but he watched a neighbor's house reduced to nothing but the remnants of a brick chimney. "The house went up like a Roman candle," Sollie said.

He added: "If we weren't here, the whole neighborhood would go up. There just aren't enough fire trucks around."

The blazes in San Diego County and elsewhere erupted one after another over the weekend. Things got worse Monday, when several new fires erupted and other fires merged. Parts of seven Southern California counties were ablaze.

All San Diego police officers and detectives were ordered to return to work to help move people to safety and handle other fire-related emergencies.

Firefighters complained that their efforts to stop the flames were delayed when they were confronted by people who refused to leave their homes.

"They didn't evacuate at all, or delayed until it was too late," said Bill Metcalf, a fire boss. "And those folks who are making those decisions are actually stripping fire resources."

As flames, thick smoke and choking ash filled the air around San Diego County's Lake Hodges, Stan Smith ignored orders to evacuate and stayed behind to help rescue his neighbor Ken Morris' horses.

"It's hard to leave all your belongings and take off, and the bad thing is you can't get back in once you leave," Smith said.

"I heard the cops come by and I just ducked," Morris said.

Besides, said Smith, "Lots of time the fire doesn't ever come. It's come really close before. I've seen it so bad you couldn't even hear yourself talk over the flames and ash blowing everywhere."

Black smoke blanketed much of northern San Diego and nearby suburbs as flames hopscotched around homes in Rancho Bernardo, a community with a large number of elderly people, destroying one of every 10 homes on one busy street.

Highways, canals and other features normally act as firebreaks. But the towering flames and flying embers rendered them useless this time.

Dozens of motorists gathered on an Interstate 15 overpass in San Diego to watch flames race up a hillside and engulf at least a half-dozen homes. Witnesses said they watched flames jump west over the 10-lane freeway.

"The flames were like 100 feet high and it moved up the hill in seconds. It was at the bottom, it was in the middle, and then it was at the top," said Steve Jarrett, who helped a friend evacuate his home in nearby Escondido.

Fire near the San Diego Wild Animal Park led authorities to move condors, a cheetah, snakes and other animals to the fire-resistant veterinary hospital on the grounds of the park. The large animals, such as elephants, rhinos and antelope, were left in irrigated enclosures.

The world-famous San Diego Zoo was not immediately threatened.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a state of emergency in the seven affected counties, opening the way for government aid.

"Its a tragic time for California," he said in Malibu, where a church, homes and a mansion resembling a medieval castle were destroyed over the weekend.

One person died in one of the fires near San Diego. More than a dozen people were hospitalized with burns and smoke inhalation, including four firefighters, three of whom were listed in critical condition, officials said. Some of the injured were hikers, while others may be illegal immigrants.

San Diego County spokeswoman Lesley Kirk said fire crews were stretched thin and were anxiously awaiting reinforcements from other parts of the state.

"The winds are up, it's very, very dangerous conditions," Kirk said. "Fires are popping up all over the place."

Flames forced the evacuation of the San Diego community of Ramona, which has a population of about 36,000.

Christine Baird, 42, was ordered to evacuate her apartment in the Rancho Bernardo area at 5:30 a.m. She moved to California from Canada earlier this year.

"Instead of snow we had ash all over the car," she said. "This is all new for me. We've got no family in the area, so there's really nowhere else to go."

In late October and early November of 2003, 15 fires in many of the same areas killed 22 people and destroyed 3,640 homes. Ten years earlier, in October and November of 1993, 26 fires in those areas killed four people and damaged or destroyed 1,200 structures.

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Associated Press writers Chelsea J. Carter and Jeremiah Marquez in Los Angeles, Jacob Adelman in Santa Clarita and Elliot Spagat in San Diego contributed to this report.

[the squid of despair]

I'll tell ya, it's crazy here...

Lot's of people not at work today.

[Lucas]

I saw it on the news and was aw struck how bad it realy is there. chalk it up to global warming. might want some fire insurance, if you dont got it already.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

its armegeddon

[KACK]

theres a pretty bad drought down here in the Carolinas

[HellRaiser]

Osama sent al-Qaeda to do it .
He warned ya all don't fuck with Allah, down with the infidels. :P

[I Got Priors]

I couldn't even see on the freeway yesterday. The sky was yellow and brown. :S
And to make it all worse .. The mall was closed cuz of the fire! :O

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

i should go there and sell marshmellows

[Dymond]

Welcome to California.. This happens once every few years..

[Colonel Sanders]

Yeah seriously I don't understand why people are surprised by this anymore. It seems every year I hear the same old repetitive shit in the news about a big California fire, then they have interviews with people saying " omg i can't believe this is happening it seems like it's the end blah blah"

woopy, don't cry and bitch about it cause you should know damn well what to expect. Just like people living on the coast should prepare for hurricanes. No different.

[the squid of despair]

Yeah seriously I don't understand why people are surprised by this anymore. It seems every year I hear the same old repetitive shit in the news about a big California fire, then they have interviews with people saying " omg i can't believe this is happening it seems like it's the end blah blah"

woopy, don't cry and bitch about it cause you should know damn well what to expect. Just like people living on the coast should prepare for hurricanes. No different.


I hope your home burns down and your family goes with it...

[hoos]

Yeah this is a bit different since it cannot be contained and is in a heavily populated area. At least San Diego might get some Redwoods out of it.

Also if it were do to Global Warming, it would be monsoons from the amount of dust and water vapor that should be in the air. But that's another discussion.

[HellRaiser]

I hope your home burns down and your family goes with it...

Well, he does have a point Squid, every year is a blazing inferno somewhere in Cali.
If peeps know this is an un-avoidable YEARLY problem then why buy property there?
When does a brain come into it and move to a more friendly environmental location?

Same thing with any other place with YEARLY mother nature disasters.

[Dymond]

Well, he does have a point Squid, every year is a blazing inferno somewhere in Cali.
If peeps know this is an un-avoidable YEARLY problem then why buy property there?
When does a brain come into it and move to a more friendly environmental location?

Same thing with any other place with YEARLY mother nature disasters.


ITS A DESERT!!!

[I Got Priors]

Yeah seriously I don't understand why people are surprised by this anymore. It seems every year I hear the same old repetitive shit in the news about a big California fire, then they have interviews with people saying " omg i can't believe this is happening it seems like it's the end blah blah"

woopy, don't cry and bitch about it cause you should know damn well what to expect. Just like people living on the coast should prepare for hurricanes. No different.

This coming from the biggest crybaby on the forum. :fu:



Well, he does have a point Squid, every year is a blazing inferno somewhere in Cali.
If peeps know this is an un-avoidable YEARLY problem then why buy property there?
When does a brain come into it and move to a more friendly environmental location?

Same thing with any other place with YEARLY mother nature disasters.

:eh:
People shouldn't move to California cuz their houses might burn? LMAO
You are right...everybody should get the fuck out so I can enjoy less traffic.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

arent you moving to washington ?>

[I Got Priors]

arent you moving to washington ?>

Oregon but I'd get to stay if some people moved and my husband didnt have to sit in 4 hours of traffic everyday. :grin:

[Colonel Sanders]

One of my friends grandparents are moving to Oregon. They bough some land in the middle of nowhere apparently. 30 miles from any store, 60 miles from a wal-mart.

The house they bought is pretty sub standard in terms of living because of the location, Wood Stove, propane oven and all that. Apparently the guy is stoked and says he'll have a lot of fun because he will also be doing work to the house for the next 20 years... well good for him I'd say. I'd want to move to Oregon too but not if it meant I had to sacrifice the conveniences of the modern home.

And yeah Squid if my family was stupid enough to die in a California fire then that is just natural selection and they probably would be better off dying. Truth hurts but you know I'm right. EVERY YEAR this happens, theres no excuse to not be prepared and cry about it afterwards as if it was some surprise.

[the squid of despair]

And yeah Squid if my family was stupid enough to die in a California fire then that is just natural selection and they probably would be better off dying. Truth hurts but you know I'm right. EVERY YEAR this happens, theres no excuse to not be prepared and cry about it afterwards as if it was some surprise.

You're not worth arguing with.

[Lucas]

One of my friends grandparents are moving to Oregon. They bough some land in the middle of nowhere apparently. 30 miles from any store, 60 miles from a wal-mart.

The house they bought is pretty sub standard in terms of living because of the location, Wood Stove, propane oven and all that. Apparently the guy is stoked and says he'll have a lot of fun because he will also be doing work to the house for the next 20 years... well good for him I'd say. I'd want to move to Oregon too but not if it meant I had to sacrifice the conveniences of the modern home.

And yeah Squid if my family was stupid enough to die in a California fire then that is just natural selection and they probably would be better off dying. Truth hurts but you know I'm right. EVERY YEAR this happens, theres no excuse to not be prepared and cry about it afterwards as if it was some surprise.



umm dosent oregon have wild fires aswell? and if you say your grandparents live so far away from civilization, dosent that put them at higher risk?
Karma sucks K.A.F. i dont think the fire department will care much for a couple of old folks in the middle of the woods.

[Colonel Sanders]

learn to read dumbass, it's not my grandparents. And no Oregon does not have tremendous wildfires like California. Getting killed by a bear is more common than being killed by an outdoor fire there.

[Lucas]

learn to read dumbass, it's not my grandparents. And no Oregon does not have tremendous wildfires like California. Getting killed by a bear is more common than being killed by an outdoor fire there.




So KAF there are no wildfires in oregon.


STUART TOMLINSON and WADE NKRUMAH
The Oregonian Staff

UNDERWOOD, Wash. -- Firefighters are hoping today to contain a fast-growing wildfire near White Salmon, Wash., that has burned five homes and threatened at least 50 more.

Tony Gilmer, incident commander for the Washington Department of Natural Resources, said Thursday night that crews will report by 6 a.m. today to resume a full-scale battle against the 150-acre fire.

About 200 firefighters worked through the night to establish a fire line. He said the strong winds that had whipped the blaze all afternoon subsided to between 5 mph and 10 mph by nightfall.

"It's given us an opportunity to go direct on the fire," Gilmer said. "We try and get as close to the fire line as we can."

The winds reduced the effectiveness of aerial retardant, he said, but more would be available for use today.

"We're not anticipating a significant change in weather," he said.

The so-called Broughton fire started about 11:30 a.m. Thursday outside the town of Underwood, just west of White Salmon. It was sparked below Cook-Underwood Road along the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway tracks near the old Broughton Mill site.

The fire forced closures of State Route 14 and the railroad tracks. The highway reopened about 7:30 p.m.; the tracks, which carry 40 trains a day, including two Amtrak routes, reopened by 4 p.m.

Stan Hinatsu, a spokesman for the Columbia River Gorge Scenic Area, said residents of a bluff above where the fire started were told early in the afternoon to get out of their homes.

"This was as mandatory an evacuation order as you can get," Hinatsu said.

[Colonel Sanders]

tremendous wildfires like California

sigh

[Lucas]

sigh



karmas a bitch.

[Colonel Sanders]

And thats supposed to mean what? Other than karma not existing, just another word for describing "life is a bitch" pretty much.

So really explain how "karma" is gonna get me cause of what I said here today..really. It's not like I said I don't have compassion for the people are affected. I just don't like people who flip out and break down over something so material...AND something they should have been prepared for even more. And if you don't have fire insurance living there lol at you, your own damn fault. God knows people who live in that area can afford it.

People who say "karma" to everything are despicable people.. guess you think everything happens for a reason and there is a such a thing called "fate" too huh.

[Dymond]

The problem with California fires are they aren't really "Forest Fires" they are fast moving brush fires.. The rains come in spring and this shit grows everywhere.. then the summer hits and there is no rain and that crap gets dry.. one match and their goes my home in Malibu LOL and Priors keep those fucking people there and out of here.. Just What we need more people selling their shacks in SoCal and buying mansions here..

[I Got Priors]

The problem with California fires are they aren't really "Forest Fires" they are fast moving brush fires.. The rains come in spring and this shit grows everywhere.. then the summer hits and there is no rain and that crap gets dry.. one match and their goes my home in Malibu LOL and Priors keep those fucking people there and out of here.. Just What we need more people selling their shacks in SoCal and buying mansions here..


That is exactly what we are doing. :hidey:

[the squid of despair]

karmas a bitch.

I told you he's not worth arguing with...

[Colonel Sanders]

Yer right I'm not worth it to guys like you. I like to inject a mix of logic, cold hard truth, and emotional detachment to my worldly arguments.

Some people can't handle that so they'll fall back on stupid sayings like "karmas a bitch" for example:hehe:

[Ruffio]

Yeah seriously I don't understand why people are surprised by this anymore. It seems every year I hear the same old repetitive shit in the news about a big California fire, then they have interviews with people saying " omg i can't believe this is happening it seems like it's the end blah blah"

woopy, don't cry and bitch about it cause you should know damn well what to expect. Just like people living on the coast should prepare for hurricanes. No different.


exactly. like here in WA, half the states on a fault line, there is a high chance of a big earthquake in the near future. but when it happens im not going to cry and ask why the government didnt do more to protect/warn me

[Mitch]

So really explain how "karma" is gonna get me cause of what I said here today..really. It's not like I said I don't have compassion for the people are affected. I just don't like people who flip out and break down over something so material...AND something they should have been prepared for even more. And if you don't have fire insurance living there lol at you, your own damn fault. God knows people who live in that area can afford it.

Money won't get you family photos and other things of sentimental value back.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

when it happens he will just make another "woe is me" thread or "life isnt worth living" thread in a futile attempt that some dumbass will feel sorry for him

Yer right I'm not worth it to guys like you. I like to inject a mix of logic, cold hard truth, and emotional detachment to my worldly arguments.


wordly arguements? mother fucker please where the fuck you been to be worldly, you bitch a fit going 90 minutes to see your grandma so i doubt you seen the "world"

as for logic- maybe if you spent half the time you did argueing with people on here and did some of the things i listed for you way back you might eventually get to the point you can buy a shack anywhere

emotionally detached--your way to emo to be emotionally detached. if you were trully emotionally detached your ass wouldnt give a shit what happens in cali

[HellRaiser]

People shouldn't move to California cuz their houses might burn? LMAO
You are right...everybody should get the fuck out so I can enjoy less traffic.

Well it does seem to appear tons and tons of people lose homes every year lol.
Most of the houses are rich bastrads, so my heart bleeds lol. There is karma for ya!


In general to those attacking KAF...

Point stands regardless if those want to hang KAFF or not...
I will make it bold for the blind or arrogant or those that CAN'T comprehend basic intelligence...

If you as an individual PURPOSELY buys property in an area of mother nature yearly destructive PATH, then those can't cry about it when it happens.

[Dymond]

Well it does seem to appear tons and tons of people lose homes every year lol.
Most of the houses are rich bastrads, so my heart bleeds lol. There is karma for ya!


In general to those attacking KAF...

Point stands regardless if those want to hang KAFF or not...
I will make it bold for the blind or arrogant or those that CAN'T comprehend basic intelligence...

If you as an individual PURPOSELY buys property in an area of mother nature yearly destructive PATH, then those can't cry about it when it happens.

Yeah I have to admit I shed crocidile tears when those people up on the hills (mostly California transplants) houses burn down during our occasional wildfires.. I figure when you build a house to look down on other people you deserve what you get...

and speaking of faults we can't forget the San Andreas that runs through most of California..

[Lucas]

when it happens he will just make another "woe is me" thread or "life isnt worth living" thread in a futile attempt that some dumbass will feel sorry for him



wordly arguements? mother fucker please where the fuck you been to be worldly, you bitch a fit going 90 minutes to see your grandma so i doubt you seen the "world"

as for logic- maybe if you spent half the time you did argueing with people on here and did some of the things i listed for you way back you might eventually get to the point you can buy a shack anywhere

emotionally detached--your way to emo to be emotionally detached. if you were trully emotionally detached your ass wouldnt give a shit what happens in cali

good job tung.

[the squid of despair]

Wow everyone in here is making me see the light. You're all right, fuck the famalies and their losses. Who gives a shit that these rich, arrogant bastards, that most of us have never met, lost everything they had. Fuck my friends and co-workers who lost their homes too, idiots should have seen this coming.

Here's a great question: Where should we all live to avoid any natural hazards? I mean people say "Their dumb for living in a place that has fires". Do you people seriously not realise that there are dangers everywhere? Should people just cram into these "Safe" places in your fantasy lands?

[Colonel Sanders]

Just to be clear. About the family photos as shit.

When those fires are coming you have enough time to get the essentials when yer being evacuated. I.E. "photo albums" and what not, laptops even. Besides most people these days should start putting their photos on discs. My mother completed doing just that a few weeks ago and we have tons of albums, her exact words were "better me spending a month scanning these albums than loosing it all in 2 seconds from a tornado". People elsewhere should think the same way.

And yea Squid a lot of people live everywhere where natural disasters can occur, that's a given. My area for example is quite prone to Tornadoes. Just two years ago we had one rip through a residential area and kill 14 people, only about 4 miles from where I lived. However it is completely random and most people living here either have a shelter they can go to...built themselves a tornado shelter in the backyard, or are prepared in some way to handle a tornado. But that is not even the point, the point is that it is completely random and can pop up BOOM just like that with no warning.

With a tornado it can happen every 5 years in your area, every 10..sometimes 2 years in a row etc...on top of that even if you are experiencing violent weather that may or may not contain the potential for a Tornado any given area is rarely fully prepared cause they form so fast and without warning.

Now please tell me how a California fire can be compared to that. IT CANNOT. A people KNOW it will be happening every year. And people KNOW to be prepared and have a good 12+ hours of warning. No excuse.

[the squid of despair]

Just to be clear. About the family photos as shit.

When those fires are coming you have enough time to get the essentials when yer being evacuated. I.E. "photo albums" and what not, laptops even. Besides most people these days should start putting their photos on discs. My mother completed doing just that a few weeks ago and we have tons of albums, her exact words were "better me spending a month scanning these albums than loosing it all in 2 seconds from a tornado". People elsewhere should think the same way.

And yea Squid a lot of people live everywhere where natural disasters can occur, that's a given. My area for example is quite prone to Tornadoes. Just two years ago we had one rip through a residential area and kill 14 people, only about 4 miles from where I lived. However it is completely random and most people living here either have a shelter they can go to...built themselves a tornado shelter in the backyard, or are prepared in some way to handle a tornado. But that is not even the point, the point is that it is completely random and can pop up BOOM just like that with no warning.

With a tornado it can happen every 5 years in your area, every 10..sometimes 2 years in a row etc...on top of that even if you are experiencing violent weather that may or may not contain the potential for a Tornado any given area is rarely fully prepared cause they form so fast and without warning.

Now please tell me how a California fire can be compared to that. IT CANNOT. A people KNOW it will be happening every year. And people KNOW to be prepared and have a good 12+ hours of warning. No excuse.

You're proving you know nothing, considering that the last major fires here were 4 years ago. Jog on...

[HellRaiser]

Wow everyone in here is making me see the light.

You finally crawled out of the rock under the ocean eh? :grin:

Who gives a shit that these rich, arrogant bastards, that most of us have never met, lost everything they had.

Want some cheese with that whine for the rich? :eh:
Maybe next time they can spend between the 2-30 million dollar home most people only dream about with the nose straight up in the air, in a non destructive path lol.

Fuck my friends and co-workers who lost their homes too, idiots should have seen this coming.

Ummmm, yea that is the POINT! :S

Here's a great question:

Cool, Squidly has a question... Let's be polite and answer it. :)

Where should we all live to avoid any natural hazards?

There are tons of places especially in the USA that are not in YEARLY DESTRUCTIVE MOTHER NATURE PATH.

I mean people say "Their dumb for living in a place that has fires".

Ya kinda like all the idiots who live in Hurrican paths and Tornado paths too lol.

Do you people seriously not realise that there are dangers everywhere?

Ummmmmm, ya dangers are everywhere, but most places it's called CRIME not mother nature fucking you lol...

[HellRaiser]

You're proving you know nothing, considering that the last major fires here were 4 years ago. Jog on...

Define major? Last I checked every year there is considered large fires destroying shit.
This fire is not major it is catastrophic. So you might want to say there hasn't been any catastrophic fires in 4 years lol.

[I Got Priors]

I'm reading a lot of ... they're rich and they have a lot of nerve buying a house and spending so much on it. They deserve to burn. WoW.....

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[Buckledmac]

i must admit it seems a bit harsh to me that some of you are saying who cares about them because they are rich :S

some of those rich people proberly worked damn hard to get into that position:dunno:

[Colonel Sanders]

Well I for one never said I don't care about em.

Having your house burn down is inconvenient as hell especially when it is in the midst of a natural disaster. However the ones that go on TV or just in general act like disaster itself was something to be surprised over...fuck.them. Accept it, realize that it could've happened at any time..and just wait for your insurance to rebuild...if you lost any items that could not be replaced it is your own dumb ass fault for not putting them in a safe or bringing them with you.

I mean fuck when I was 16 my house burned down and we lived in a Motel for 2 months before we lived out in a house in the country that our insurance provided before waiting for our insurance to rebuild our old house. It sucked ass living in a motel for 2 months, didn't have my computer, didn't have a laptop to have access to the internet...had to go shopping for completely new clothes and hundreds of other things I could point out including the simple comfort of privacy and sleeping in yer own bed.

NOW THAT is a reason to bitch over and be surprised and caught off guard about cause a god damn defective treadmill started the fire.

But guess what all of the stuff we could not replace was in our fireproof safe. We had full insurance coverage so at the end of the miserable ordeal at least we got a completely refurbished house, new carpet..new paint..hardwood floors. I got a new TV and completely new computer. So it wasn't all bad but very inconvenient.

[Lucas]

umm in rhode island we get some snow each year does that count?

[Shanna]

:O that shit is crazy!!

[Dymond]

Well here is the deal.. Rich people want to live away from the common folk so they build their homes along the oceans and whine when it rains and they slide in or they build their homes out in nature away from hustle and bustle and wonder why it goes up in flames when a wildfire comes a callin.. If you know where the wilderness is DON'T BUILD YOUR FUCKING HOUSE THERE!! Its fucking stupidity or arrogance on their part to think that it won't happen to them when they are staring at trees and brush 20 feet from their house.

[the squid of despair]

Well here is the deal.. Rich people want to live away from the common folk so they build their homes along the oceans and whine when it rains and they slide in or they build their homes out in nature away from hustle and bustle and wonder why it goes up in flames when a wildfire comes a callin.. If you know where the wilderness is DON'T BUILD YOUR FUCKING HOUSE THERE!! Its fucking stupidity or arrogance on their part to think that it won't happen to them when they are staring at trees and brush 20 feet from their house.


Sounds more like you're the arrogant stupid one. You have no idea who any of these people are or how they act. It's just jealousy, deny it if you want. People work hard for what they have and you're just upset because you're over 40 and going no where with your life.

Since when is building in the wilderness uncommon? Last I checked, this was all wilderness at time. I haven't seen one person here begging for sympathy or complaining about shit, so where are you seeing it?

[Lucas]

Sounds more like you're the arrogant stupid one. You have no idea who any of these people are or how they act. It's just jealousy, deny it if you want. People work hard for what they have and you're just upset because you're over 40 and going no where with your life.

Since when is building in the wilderness uncommon? Last I checked, this was all wilderness at time. I haven't seen one person here begging for sympathy or complaining about shit, so where are you seeing it?

Oprah.

[HellRaiser]

I'm reading a lot of ... they're rich and they have a lot of nerve buying a house and spending so much on it. They deserve to burn. WoW.....

i must admit it seems a bit harsh to me that some of you are saying who cares about them because they are rich :S


Well, speaking for myself only... I am not saying anyone deserves to have their home burn or lose everything un-neccassarily.
Key word here is Un-Neccassarily, as UN-LIKELY to happen or twist of fate.
I am merely saying rich, middle class or poor, if ya consciously stay somewhere you KNOW
is a strong possibility of yearly ( in this case) brush fires, kind hard to refute one is an complete idiot lol.
It's not a matter of opinion it's a matter of COMMON FUCKING SENSE...

some of those rich people proberly worked damn hard to get into that position:dunno:

You don't work hard to afford anywhere from 2-30 million dollar homes lol.
Ya okay, so how many lifetimes of savings accounts does it take? lol
How many jobs pay you the type of money to afford that?
Come on spare me, the hard work lol...
Shall we make a list of potential residents who can afford it in no particular of order of preference?

1- Family already rich and passed down...
2- Hierarchy of corperations...
3- Criminals lol...
4- Music artists
5- Few defense lawyers and doctors
6- In MOST cases, Hollywood ACTORS/ACTRESS.

Ya, with the exception of college time for Lawyers and Doctors, the rest don't apply.
Unless of course you want to claim the harsh realities of poor stories the famous share to make everyone else percieve them as hard earned lol.

Reality is some rich people are decent and kind but most and key word here is ( most) rich people are assholes...
They have a low opinion of everyone else not in their class and you and everyone else KNOWS IT'S TRUE...

Hold on, it's the phone, it's my agent... lol

Agent: "Hey HellRaiser, just got ya a role in a new action movie, you're guranteed 20 million"...

Me: "Hey, sounds great, spare me the details, I'm in, send me the schedule"...
Whooooooo, I can go buy another resort, but hey Cali is kinda fucked up now...
I heard New Orleans is fabolous, lol..."

In either case, like I said not really abour rich or poor, just reality of wanting to be REMOTE has a PRICE...


Sounds more like you're the arrogant stupid one. You have no idea who any of these people are or how they act. It's just jealousy, deny it if you want. People work hard for what they have and you're just upset because you're over 40 and going no where with your life.

Oh come on, you're attacking DY but you're being a hypocrite, like you know the majority who reside there? ya mmmm okay....
You don't get Ocean front property or those luxury estates with a hard working job lol.
People who are rich don't work hard they have people to do that for them lol.
You're acting as some others here, as if these rich folk busted their balls and vagina's to climb to the top of being a millionaire, COME ONNNNNN lol...

Not exactly Tom the Cop and Jane the Secretary who is your average everyday folk
who bust their ass a lot harder then any rich person who can throw away money without blinking, lol.

But ya you're right, poor them lol...
By the end of tommorrow, their new home is bought again and filled by the end of the week.
Meanwhile average very hard working Tom and Jane, are mostly screwed and living in a shelter somewhere lol.

Ya, my heart truly bleeds lol...

Since when is building in the wilderness uncommon? Last I checked, this was all wilderness at time.

What kind of mentally challenged argument is that?
Ya the whole planet at some point in time was all wildnerness lol.
Last I checked were talking about building and creating estates on hills or in remote areas for the last what 25-50 years?
Knowing full well of the strong possibilities of mother nature destruction at any given time lol.

I believe that is called a masochist waiting... :P
Here let me get my violen... :hehe:

[the squid of despair]

Why do people only seem to be focusing on the "Rich" people? Do you people really think there's only "Rich" people in San Diego? I didn't know that...

[I Got Priors]

You don't work hard to afford anywhere from 2-30 million dollar homes lol.



My mom's house is in that figure. She grows organic rasberries. Her and her husband work their asses off. She lives on a hill away from everyone so the pollution from everyone else's waste doesn't ruin her dirt thus allowing her to continue to have her rasberries certified as organic.
And I've met the majority of families that live in her area (also have homes costing as much) and they are all decent hard working people. These fires are effecting normal everyday people that live in neighborhoods not just the 'rich' stuck-up people. So there goes that theory. :nana:

*btw...My newphew works in her fields every Sunday for $10 an hour, he's 16. Otherwise my 50+ year old Mother and her 60+ year old husband work her rasberry crop. And the majority of her neighbors also work their orange groves themselves until it is harvest time when the workers come in and pick. So...enjoy the California grown fruit and while you are doing so think about those 'hard working' people that take their chances growing it. :@

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Well, speaking for myself only... I am not saying anyone deserves to have their home burn or lose everything un-neccassarily.
Key word here is Un-Neccassarily, as UN-LIKELY to happen or twist of fate.
I am merely saying rich, middle class or poor, if ya consciously stay somewhere you KNOW
is a strong possibility of yearly ( in this case) brush fires, kind hard to refute one is an complete idiot lol.
It's not a matter of opinion it's a matter of COMMON FUCKING SENSE...

So where do YOU live? A bunker? Seriously...defend your statements and tell us where you live that is immune to all natural disasters.

You don't work hard to afford anywhere from 2-30 million dollar homes lol.
Ya okay, so how many lifetimes of savings accounts does it take? lol
How many jobs pay you the type of money to afford that?
Come on spare me, the hard work lol...
Shall we make a list of potential residents who can afford it in no particular of order of preference?

1- Family already rich and passed down...
2- Hierarchy of corperations...
3- Criminals lol...
4- Music artists
5- Few defense lawyers and doctors
6- In MOST cases, Hollywood ACTORS/ACTRESS.



Not sure which is worse.....KAF's antipathic head up his ass or your complete and total ignorance to any factual basis. Please return to this argument when you have some shred of knowledge or truth.

Since Priors has already proved you wrong, I won't even go into the fact that MULTIPLE friends of mine live in 2 million dollar+ homes and are average working folk. Teachers, CPAs, construction workers, manicurists, network administrators......just to name a few not on your seriously idiotic list above.

And to the people talking about living "in the wilderness"...... hundreds of homes that were lost were located less than 1.5 miles from AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY! A co-worker of mine got out of his home with only his flash drive and a change of clothes. The fire roared through his neighborhood at 4:00 am....there were no warnings or reverse 911 calls. When he went to bed the night before, the fire was dozens of miles away. There were 45 mph winds pushing that storm, in many places you couldn't even out run it.

[Dymond]

Sounds more like you're the arrogant stupid one. You have no idea who any of these people are or how they act. It's just jealousy, deny it if you want. People work hard for what they have and you're just upset because you're over 40 and going no where with your life.

Since when is building in the wilderness uncommon? Last I checked, this was all wilderness at time. I haven't seen one person here begging for sympathy or complaining about shit, so where are you seeing it?

WOW.. kinda got a lil personal there didn't ya squid? See back in the old days people did live in the wilderness but as they grew they cleared the brush and trees away from the homestead. Ya know clear cutting.. ever heard of it?? See I'm not going to question your lack of knowledge or complete ignorance because really this isn't the place to do that right? But if these people would have stayed in that paradigm all we would be hearing about is a really big fire and not all this loss of property and the billions of dollars its going to cost the taxpayers once California is ONCE AGAIN declared a State of Emergency. So don't blame me or resort to petty name calling (very petty and really.. if thats all you have you might want to practice some more on the noobs that actually might be afraid of your tired rhetoric) because I don't pity them because of their choice of house location..

and Maija honestly is this the first time the Santa Anas have come calling in that area? I bet if I looked there was a fire in the area in at least the last 5-7 years.. Its not like people DON'T know this happens.. They just choose to hope it doesn't again. When developers always win the battle against smart land management this is going to happen. South of Logan along the river bed is a known flood plain yet somehow developers were given the right to develop on the land and not only that build homes with a basement. The only thing sadder than that was that people snapped them up and when the rivers swelled a few years ago take a guess who had upwards of 3 feet of mud in their brand new finished basements. Now they want the city to invest money to build drainage areas to fix their problem. We have the palatial Estates built along the hill even though they were told that the mountainside was unstable and during heavy rains mud and rockslides would occur.. They built anyways and when the mud and rocks came tumbling down they tried to get the city to pony up for money for protective barriers.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

But if these people would have stayed in that paradigm all we would be hearing about is a really big fire and not all this loss of property and the billions of dollars its going to cost the taxpayers once California is ONCE AGAIN declared a State of Emergency.

Paradigm? You do realize that the area of Rancho Bernardo that burned down is equivalent to North Salt Lake or West Valley City? We're not talking about the outskirts of civilization here, or development encroachment on nature. This was a developed suburban area, near highways and buffered for miles.

and Maija honestly is this the first time the Santa Anas have come calling in that area? I bet if I looked there was a fire in the area in at least the last 5-7 years.. Its not like people DON'T know this happens..

Not even related to my post. I never suggested that the residents were ignorant to fire season. I was simply stating that the most damaging fire here happened in a very non-rural, heavily populated area (FAR West of previous fires)......not in the "wilderness" as some have suggested.

Fire in So California is no surprise to anyone, but to imply that the residents deserved it because they built on the outskirts of the city is simply not true in many of the cases in Rancho Bernardo.

[Dymond]

Well the same thing could honestly happen in SLC because the outlying communities begin encroaching on the wilderness acting as a wick to pull the fire inward. But at the same point people in California tend to plant outside the climate zone they are in because the a dependent on water pumped from outlying areas. When a real drought hits and water cutbacks occur your screwed when all those plants start to get extremely dry.

[Stinger]

Sympathy would be nice regardless of the people affected, their choice of home site, or their economic affiliations. Shit happens. No one can effectively predict the course of the rivers, the landslides, the tornadoes, the hurricanes, or the fires next year. Mother Nature has a funny way of making her own rules.

To say that ANYONE "deserves" anything remotely like this is appalling. I don't care what money these people have or don't have. I don't care if they were too stupid to look into the property they bought. What about the renters too poor to be able to afford renter's insurance? Are they somehow more worthy of pity?

Please, people...have a fucking heart. Find some noble cause to put your energies into rather than spending precious time finding fault in the wounded and afflicted. Maybe you should stop and look at where YOUR house is...maybe someone will see YOU as the idiot that should have "known better" when next year the arsonist gets too close to YOUR home.

umm in rhode island we get some snow each year does that count?

Lucas~
Snow CAN count. I lived a half mile past plowed roads once, and we got four feet of snow in one night. Thank God we were prepared. Took three days to find the car, and for PP&L to send a snow cat up our road at the urging of some concerned neighbors. I had no clue that Oregon even GOT snow like that...and I've lived here virtually my whole life.

[Dymond]

Sympathy would be nice regardless of the people affected, their choice of home site, or their economic affiliations. Shit happens. No one can effectively predict the course of the rivers, the landslides, the tornadoes, the hurricanes, or the fires next year. Mother Nature has a funny way of making her own rules.

To say that ANYONE "deserves" anything remotely like this is appalling. I don't care what money these people have or don't have. I don't care if they were too stupid to look into the property they bought. What about the renters too poor to be able to afford renter's insurance? Are they somehow more worthy of pity?

Please, people...have a fucking heart. Find some noble cause to put your energies into rather than spending precious time finding fault in the wounded and afflicted. Maybe you should stop and look at where YOUR house is...maybe someone will see YOU as the idiot that should have "known better" when next year the arsonist gets too close to YOUR home.



Lucas~
Snow CAN count. I lived a half mile past plowed roads once, and we got four feet of snow in one night. Thank God we were prepared. Took three days to find the car, and for PP&L to send a snow cat up our road at the urging of some concerned neighbors. I had no clue that Oregon even GOT snow like that...and I've lived here virtually my whole life.




Bee.. Look at the thread.. Its serious discussion.. and we were having a discussion.. Lighten up.. Its just an opinion.

[HellRaiser]

My mom's house is in that figure. She grows organic rasberries. Her and her husband work their asses off. She lives on a hill away from everyone so the pollution from everyone else's waste doesn't ruin her dirt thus allowing her to continue to have her rasberries certified as organic.
And I've met the majority of families that live in her area (also have homes costing as much) and they are all decent hard working people. These fires are effecting normal everyday people that live in neighborhoods not just the 'rich' stuck-up people. So there goes that theory. :nana:

Crops and Groves which produce multi dollars as income is hardly considered average or middle class folk.
So of course it makes sense they and others that own in that area you speak of, can afford these luxuries of accomadation.

Seriously, since when does any bank in this world give 2+ million dollar homes to average everyday or middle class folk? Ya okay! There is a lot more not being said to how it was achieved. Someone has to make at least $100,000 if not more A YEAR to attain that type of finance, so ya RICH stands corrected. :P

Not sure which is worse.....KAF's antipathic head up his ass or your complete and total ignorance to any factual basis. Please return to this argument when you have some shred of knowledge or truth.

Not sure which is worse the bleeding heart whiners here or you who NEVER has anything of value to say except your fantasy land bubble world stats lol. Knowledge and truth has nothing to do with a subjective stance and since this is about Homes and property in the millions please spare me your BULLSHIT. Please return to this argument when your period is over. :hehe:

Since Priors has already proved you wrong, I won't even go into the fact that MULTIPLE friends of mine live in 2 million dollar+ homes and are average working folk. Teachers, CPAs, construction workers, manicurists, network administrators......just to name a few not on your seriously idiotic list above.

Priors hasn't proved anyone wrong, you are a bunch of liars lol.
The types of employment you list hardly make nowhere near 6 figures, so spare me the crap...
No bank in this world gives average or middle class income people 2+ million dollar loans lol.
Go back to your fantasy friends lol.
Like I said above, there is a lot more to it then being told.

Who ya all trying to fool here? :cheeky:

[HellRaiser]

By the way Stinger, what DY said too lol...
But I will explain to ya at least why I say what I say better...

[FONT="Times New Roman"][B][I]
Sympathy would be nice regardless of the people affected, their choice of home site, or their economic affiliations.

Sympathy in my opinion is ONLY deserving when you absolutely had no control over a situation.

[FONT="Times New Roman"][B][I] Shit happens. No one can effectively predict the course of the rivers, the landslides, the tornadoes, the hurricanes, or the fires next year. Mother Nature has a funny way of making her own rules.

That is not true at all, it doesn't take much time to investigate or be educated about any given area environmental/mother nature events to have enough info to decide if it warrants relative safe settling. Cali is known for severe brush fires every year, so if one knows that, then one acknowledges and accepts the heavy risk of buying property and settling in an area prone to this. Everyone knows once a brush fire starts if ya have any moderate wind, it will destroy everything in it's path for miles upon miles.

So, It doesn't take rocket science just some common sense.
If people want to admit it or not is immaterial, there is just certain areas in every region that has
active yearly mother nature destruction paths, so if one chooses to remain there, their own problem and hard to have sympathy.


[FONT="Times New Roman"][B][I] Maybe you should stop and look at where YOUR house is...maybe someone will see YOU as the idiot that should have "known better" when next year the arsonist gets too close to YOUR home.

I assume your directing that to KAFF, but you can't compare an COMPLETELY UNSEEN event such as an arsonist torching someone house for lucky charms and laughs to mother nature KNOWN YEARLY destruction in certain areas. Those are apples and oranges.

This is why I live where I live... We don't have mother nature disasters.
Our worst nightmare is if we get a strong wind from one of ya USA states storms and knock down a few electrical lines lol.
Oh wait, about 5 years ago we had a huge snowfall, lol...
Sorry, but we don't get Tornado's, Hurricanes, Floods, Brush Fires, Mud Slides in our City.
Were also not going to sink in the drink. Hence smart choice of location.

Maybe some peeps will smarten up and move to generally friendly weather locations instead of complaining when mother nature hits and go...

" I never seen it coming, how is it possible, oh noooo why me, why me" face ...

:P

[Colonel Sanders]

I think there is a bit lack of consideration building up here. I mean sure rich folk building/moving to a house in California is pretty stupid if your just choosing a place to live, but theres a lot of factors. First off that is where the work is, literally, and so it would be the most logical and convenient place to live.

Secondly people seem to be forgetting that people are actually born and raised in that area..heh; therefore naturally among most of the populace why would you leave. It's a successful place for work and college, and has 3 major cities.....

Sometimes risking it all, even your house, could be a necessary thing in order to make sure your career and life become successful to set you up for the REST of your life/career...and a few months of trauma and/or inconvenience would seem worth it by anybodies standards. Not saying that is the case with everyone but once again I will say...some people are actually raised and lived there from the beginning.

[I Got Priors]

Crops and Groves which produce multi dollars as income is hardly considered average or middle class folk.So of course it makes sense they and others that own in that area you speak of, can afford these luxuries of accomadation.

Seriously, since when does any bank in this world give 2+ million dollar homes to average everyday or middle class folk? Ya okay! There is a lot more not being said to how it was achieved. Someone has to make at least $100,000 if not more A YEAR to attain that type of finance, so ya RICH stands corrected. :P



Not sure which is worse the bleeding heart whiners here or you who NEVER has anything of value to say except your fantasy land bubble world stats lol. Knowledge and truth has nothing to do with a subjective stance and since this is about Homes and property in the millions please spare me your BULLSHIT. Please return to this argument when your period is over. :hehe:



Priors hasn't proved anyone wrong, you are a bunch of liars lol.
The types of employment you list hardly make nowhere near 6 figures, so spare me the crap...
No bank in this world gives average or middle class income people 2+ million dollar loans lol.
Go back to your fantasy friends lol.
Like I said above, there is a lot more to it then being told.

Who ya all trying to fool here? :cheeky:....

My mom has never made a million growing her rasberries.

And you are wrong.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Crops and Groves which produce multi dollars as income is hardly considered average or middle class folk.
So of course it makes sense they and others that own in that area you speak of, can afford these luxuries of accomadation.

Seriously, since when does any bank in this world give 2+ million dollar homes to average everyday or middle class folk? Ya okay! There is a lot more not being said to how it was achieved. Someone has to make at least $100,000 if not more A YEAR to attain that type of finance, so ya RICH stands corrected. :P



Not sure which is worse the bleeding heart whiners here or you who NEVER has anything of value to say except your fantasy land bubble world stats lol. Knowledge and truth has nothing to do with a subjective stance and since this is about Homes and property in the millions please spare me your BULLSHIT. Please return to this argument when your period is over. :hehe:



Priors hasn't proved anyone wrong, you are a bunch of liars lol.
The types of employment you list hardly make nowhere near 6 figures, so spare me the crap...
No bank in this world gives average or middle class income people 2+ million dollar loans lol.
Go back to your fantasy friends lol.
Like I said above, there is a lot more to it then being told.

Who ya all trying to fool here? :cheeky:

Still no comment from Mr. Brilliant about WHERE he lives? No surprise there.


Believe Priors and I or not....I really don't give two shits about anything you have to say anymore, because it's all self-inflated fallacy. Like usual, YOU are a much better expert on the subject of Southern California realty than two forum members who actually live there, work there, and own property there.

Anyway, me and my "fantasy friends" are off to Vegas (you know that world outside of the internet HR?). Like Squid said......some people aren't worth arguing with.

[Dymond]

Well I guess in the long run this is all that matters.. Total dead in this catastrophe..

7

Katrina: 1300 and counting

Tsunami in Indonesia: 237,072

maybe we need to redefine that word? Your house burned down but you walked away.. To me thats still a good day..

[HellRaiser]

....

My mom has never made a million growing her rasberries.

And you are wrong.

I know I am not wrong and so does everyone who has ever went to get a loan from a bank or trustee even for a basic home in the ranges of $250,000 to $500,000, in any given city, the basic requirements of job income is hardly low.

A basic monthly mortage payment on let's say $250,000 home, would roughly be a $1000.00 to $1,500 a month payment.
Mind you it varies by the amount you put down as a deposit.

So what would be a monthly mortage payment for a 2 million dollar home?
What $4,000 to $6000 a month? lmao... Nevermind all the other bills and living costs?
And this isn't entitled rich and making a lot of monthly income from somwhere?
Now please, anyone, please show me a middle class job that pay's anywhere near those monthly amounts?
There is very, very, few jobs that pay those amounts on a monthly basis.

Sorry but someone is making a lot of money doing something (regardless what they say or tell or not) to live that lifestyle.
Contrary to Pirate fantasy friends owning million dollar homes being a manicurist etc, is a FAR, FAR, FAR, CRY of any of those earnings. lmao..


Still no comment from Mr. Brilliant about WHERE he lives? No surprise there.

Where I live is none of your concern or business. But if you must know, in Ontario, Canada.
Mr Brillant told you, where I live we don't have those problems.

Believe Priors and I or not....I really don't give two shits about anything you have to say anymore, because it's all self-inflated fallacy.

Funny thing though, for someone that doesn't care what I say, you sure search me out and respond. :hehe:
The only fallacy is the thing you call your life. :hidey:

Like usual, YOU are a much better expert on the subject of Southern California realty than two forum members who actually live there, work there, and own property there.

Don't need to be an expert on any geographical area to know how financial assets work ya muppet. :hehe:

Anyway, me and my "fantasy friends" are off to Vegas (you know that world outside of the internet HR?).

LMAO, ya you and your so called multi million dollar home friends. :cheeky:
Ya my 2 hours a day online, I'm an online junkie, never go outside, okay now lol... :hehe:
Wow, you're going to Vegas, It's a good thing you're going to Vegas, you probably need the hope to win money. lol
What do you do for a living again?
Hell If a manicurist making peanuts can live in these multi million homes, why can't you?
How come your salary doesn't get your multi million dollar home? lol.



Like Squid said......some people aren't worth arguing with.

Well, if that's the case why do you keep targeting my posts? hahaha
So you're either an idiot or a hypocrite, which is it?
So why don't you stand behind your words and from this day forth DO NOT bother responding to my posts EVER. :grin:


Well I guess in the long run this is all that matters.. Total dead in this catastrophe..

7

Katrina: 1300 and counting

Tsunami in Indonesia: 237,072

maybe we need to redefine that word? Your house burned down but you walked away.. To me thats still a good day..

Yep, so true, so true DY...