Survey Says

[Aeon]

1 in 5 british men pay for sex..

ONE in FIVE..

which means one or two or three of you british bastards has.. hahahahaha:hehe:
pervs:grin:

points finger at uganja...

[Asshole]

I did while in prague..

Whats your point ? best blowjob ive ever had

[Aeon]

I did while in prague..

Whats your point ? best blowjob ive ever had


Lmao... do hookers take dimes?

[Asshole]

dunno about in america but in prague they take Czech Corona.

[Aeon]

dunno about in america but in prague they take Czech Corona.

I dunno about in america either..
I imagine the hookers are slightly different from country to country


anyone?......

[Asshole]

strippers certainley are, most places in britain you have to look and not touch, in prague the bitch was getting me to play with her pussy, and she was tossing me off too

Now thats what i call a good lapdance

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

so how much do you charge aeon... heard canadian hookers were cheap usually 1 molson or a set of moose antlers

[the squid of despair]

or a set of moose antlers

I heard it doesn't even need to be a set!

[Uganja]

I always thought i'd never ever ever pay for sex, cos i'm of the opinion that women should be paying me.....

.... but fuck me, when i was in amsterdam, i was seriously tempted. Some of those chicks are gorgeous. But i still couldn't go through with it.


Ask me when i'm 60 and bald, i'm sure i'll give you different answer.

*points finger to ridgeback*

[wats_up]

Hmm, wonder how many men they actually asked, probably 10 and they were all homeless and the ones that said no couldnt afford it anyway

[Alf uckem]

i paid for it when i lived in barca

Picture this your in a "club" with a couple of seriously wedged mates, with no cash card and all my dough pissed up a wall and both them say dont worry we will sort you out. 2 of the fittest birds ever come over I cant pick which one so they chip in 100 euro each and say go for both, then off to a room we go. The rest as they say is errr one to treasure forever in the wank bank.

In hindsight I could get away with saying I never actually paid for it, but fuck it had i paid it woulda been the best 200 euro i ever spent

[DnD]

I've never paid for it, but it always ends up costing me something. :S

[hoos]

Hell all men have to pay for it

What with all the bitching and nagging they have to put up with afterwards :P

[HellRaiser]

If your aligned with the right people ya never pay lol.

[DnD]

Hell all men have to pay for it

What with all the bitching and nagging they have to put up with afterwards :P

You may not be doing it right. :hehe:

[Aeon]

You may not be doing it right. :hehe:


LMFAO!:hehe:
I am surprised at how many of you admit to paying!
I am surprised that "one" of you admitted it...
Oh well,... to each their own...
F'in perv's:angel:

[HellRaiser]

Thats what I say too lol.

[Asshole]

please...

all woman are whores if your dating them you end up buying them things to get laid, at the very least a few drinks.. if you marry them, thats a pretty expensive night of sex to be fair, along with bills etc afterwards, and even then, you knock em up and your paying for that for the next 18-20 years..

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

/me offers jay a 20 and aeon a half set of moose antlers

[Uganja]

i'm flattered :$

its a deal

[the squid of despair]

Every woman has a price. Most say no, but once the money's waved in their face...

[I Got Priors]

I'll admit it...I've paid. Cost me 4 Irish Car Bombs but it was worth it! :vickie:

[Alf uckem]

I'll admit it...I've paid. Cost me 4 Irish Car Bombs but it was worth it! :vickie:

and thats meant to be funny...

Would be a different story had i said it cost me 2 boeing 767's

[the squid of despair]

and thats meant to be funny...

Would be a different story had i said it cost me 2 boeing 767's


Irish car bombs are a drink you tosser.

[Alf uckem]

:$

not in uk they aint, so apologies for kicking off priors, even though the drinks name is quite fuckin sick imo:(

[I Got Priors]

and thats meant to be funny...

Would be a different story had i said it cost me 2 boeing 767's


If the bar served boeing 767's it would be a similar story. :dunno:


*Irish Car Bomb

1/2 pint Guinness
1 oz Jamison
1/2 oz Bailey's Irish cream

Pour Guiness into a pint glass. Float Baileys on top of Jamison in shot glass.
Drop shot glass, carefully, into Guiness.
Drink quickly before it curdles.

[Aeon]

please...

all woman are whores if your dating them you end up buying them things to get laid, at the very least a few drinks.. if you marry them, thats a pretty expensive night of sex to be fair, along with bills etc afterwards, and even then, you knock em up and your paying for that for the next 18-20 years..

PARDONFUCKINGME!!!!:grin:

I don't know what type of girls you hang out with but they must be pretty superficial and self absorbed.
I would never accept anything from a man if I think he is just using it to get in my pants...
I hate those guys.... they creep me out..
"Ohhhhh,.. I have 2 houses, 3 cars, my ex wife got the... blah blah blah ..ect ect"
usually there is where I tune out...Nod my head like a girl smile and play dumb...

"Most" of you guys are all the same...
"Can I buy you drink"
is code for
"If you accept this drink you must sleep with me."
and..
If I say no... !! "your offended" LMFAO!
Babies and game players the lot of ya!


*Irish Car Bomb

1/2 pint Guinness
1 oz Jamison
1/2 oz Bailey's Irish cream

Pour Guiness into a pint glass. Float Baileys on top of Jamison in shot glass.
Drop shot glass, carefully, into Guiness.
Drink quickly before it curdles.

HANDS down the most disgusting shot ever! I nearly lost my stomache doing these one night! Nearly! :D

[Alf uckem]

I was refering to 9,11 not a drink i had no idea thats what they were till squidworth explained, still nm i still thinks the name sucks big dick

[I Got Priors]

I was refering to 9,11 not a drink i had no idea thats what they were till squidworth explained, still nm i still thinks the name sucks big dick

I understood the 9/11 analogy.


HANDS down the most discusing shot ever! I nearly lost my stomache doing these one night! Nearly! :D

:O Eryn! Such harse words about my FAVORITE drink!!!

[Aeon]

:O Eryn! Such harse words about my FAVORITE drink!!!


LMAO! You know they are gross!:hehe:

[I Got Priors]

LMAO! You know they are gross!:hehe:

:hidey: I LOVE them and drink them everytime I go out.

[the squid of despair]

You should try a suicide bomber...

[I Got Priors]

You should try a suicide bomber...

:glare: Now you tell me. ThX

Opposite a Jager Bomb? I'll LOVE it.

[Aeon]

I'm more of a Bottle Cap kinda person.
I drink Jag straight... I hate Red Bull.

[Alf uckem]

anyways lets get back to brits shaggin pro'shttp://www.whackynation.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/prostitute.jpg

[Asshole]

PARDONFUCKINGME!!!!:grin:

I don't know what type of girls you hang out with but they must be pretty superficial and self absorbed.
I would never accept anything from a man if I think he is just using it to get in my pants...
I hate those guys.... they creep me out..
"Ohhhhh,.. I have 2 houses, 3 cars, my ex wife got the... blah blah blah ..ect ect"
usually there is where I tune out...Nod my head like a girl smile and play dumb...

"Most" of you guys are all the same...
"Can I buy you drink"
is code for
"If you accept this drink you must sleep with me."
and..
If I say no... !! "your offended" LMFAO!
Babies and game players the lot of ya!



HANDS down the most disgusting shot ever! I nearly lost my stomache doing these one night! Nearly! :D


face it, if a guy did not buy you ANYTHING.. you go out, you buy your drinks, meal splits the bill in half, your birthday comes etc, zilch.. you would not be with him long would you?, therefore he is paying for stuff for you, you are in a relationship with him which pretty much always results in sex, so no its not the kind of girls i hang out with but as i said all women, because youd all be fed up with a bloke who bought you nothing or paid for fuck all

[Aeon]

face it, if a guy did not buy you ANYTHING.. you go out, you buy your drinks, meal splits the bill in half, your birthday comes etc, zilch.. you would not be with him long would you?, therefore he is paying for stuff for you, you are in a relationship with him which pretty much always results in sex, so no its not the kind of girls i hang out with but as i said all women, because youd all be fed up with a bloke who bought you nothing or paid for fuck all

Actually I don't even let dates pay for me most of the time...
Birthday's gifts are nice but i am not gonna freak if i don't get anything..

Your assuming that the men have more money than me... LMAO cute.

As for boyfriends...
I like to know "the guy" is a decent guy before I sleep with him... Gifts and trinkettes do not seduce me. If he is just paying for stuff to get into my pants... then he is a retard.

[the squid of despair]

As for boyfriends...
I like to know "the guy" is a decent guy before I sleep with him...


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[Flashman]

I bought a girl two "Dead Britneys" last night - she threw up and left in an ambulance.

[miemio]

Ok, this thread suddenly started haunting me while I was at work today, I think I just HAVE to reply to it. I'll start with this wonderful quote:

face it, if a guy did not buy you ANYTHING.. you go out, you buy your drinks, meal splits the bill in half, your birthday comes etc, zilch.. you would not be with him long would you?, therefore he is paying for stuff for you, you are in a relationship with him which pretty much always results in sex, so no its not the kind of girls i hang out with but as i said all women, because youd all be fed up with a bloke who bought you nothing or paid for fuck all


I have to wonder what kind of girls you surround yourself with. In any relationship I've been in the norm has been to split everything even, that goes for food, drinks, trips, and even birth control. I would never accept a life dependent on a boyfriend, and I sure wouldn't want one that was dependent on me. Very few girls that I know are any different (of course, when people are married, have kids etc, the one who has more income contributes more, but thats only fair, since the other one (usually the mom) can do extra stuff around the house etc), they don't expect guys to pay for more things than they do. Gifts and special occasions are nice bonuses, but again, thats a two way street too. One hand washes the other..

Ok, then to the other issue.
How can any man with his wits intact view himself with respect if he has to pay someone to sleep with him?! That just shows that you are to lazy to try to find a woman who cares about you enough to do her best to satisfy you, or to create a relationship that makes this possible.

The fact that prosititutes have been around for "ever" doesn't make it any more right to take advantage of women who MORE OFTEN THAN NOT are pressured into selling their bodies. What if it was your sister or daughter who had to sell herself to different people, most of whom she doesn't even like?

I've had this discussion with a friend of mine who admits to buying sex sometimes when he's abroad. (btw. He has been a sleasy sob since long before I knew this, so I kinda would have expected it of him. The guys who admitted to it in the thread are as far as I know both normally attractive and smart(?), so that surprised me a little actually.) He has no pity for the women and believes they do it because they love sex.

Of course prostitutes pretend to like having sex with their customers.. If they didn't they wouldn't make any money. And maybe when you get into the action they might even be horny and appreciate some of it (I wouldn't know, but thats a valid option I guess). But in the long run, WHO enjoys sleeping with whoever has the cash to buy you?!) And how is it possible to enjoy sex with someone when you know they're only doing it because you've payed them...?

Have any of you guys who have bought sex ever thought of this or is it just that you don't care? How can you justify it for yourself? (Or your future wife, kids etc)

[the squid of despair]

Have any of you guys who have bought sex ever thought of this or is it just that you don't care?

Just don't care...

[miemio]

Just don't care...

Unless you have a confession to make I wasn't asking you.:)

[Aeon]

Ok, this thread suddenly started haunting me while I was at work today, I think I just HAVE to reply to it. I'll start with this wonderful quote:




I have to wonder what kind of girls you surround yourself with. In any relationship I've been in the norm has been to split everything even, that goes for food, drinks, trips, and even birth control. I would never accept a life dependent on a boyfriend, and I sure wouldn't want one that was dependent on me. Very few girls that I know are any different (of course, when people are married, have kids etc, the one who has more income contributes more, but thats only fair, since the other one (usually the mom) can do extra stuff around the house etc), they don't expect guys to pay for more things than they do. Gifts and special occasions are nice bonuses, but again, thats a two way street too. One hand washes the other..

Ok, then to the other issue.
How can any man with his wits intact view himself with respect if he has to pay someone to sleep with him?! That just shows that you are to lazy to try to find a woman who cares about you enough to do her best to satisfy you, or to create a relationship that makes this possible.

The fact that prosititutes have been around for "ever" doesn't make it any more right to take advantage of women who MORE OFTEN THAN NOT are pressured into selling their bodies. What if it was your sister or daughter who had to sell herself to different people, most of whom she doesn't even like?

I've had this discussion with a friend of mine who admits to buying sex sometimes when he's abroad. (btw. He has been a sleasy sob since long before I knew this, so I kinda would have expected it of him. The guys who admitted to it in the thread are as far as I know both normally attractive and smart(?), so that surprised me a little actually.) He has no pity for the women and believes they do it because they love sex.

Of course prostitutes pretend to like having sex with their customers.. If they didn't they wouldn't make any money. And maybe when you get into the action they might even be horny and appreciate some of it (I wouldn't know, but thats a valid option I guess). But in the long run, WHO enjoys sleeping with whoever has the cash to buy you?!) And how is it possible to enjoy sex with someone when you know they're only doing it because you've payed them...?

Have any of you guys who have bought sex ever thought of this or is it just that you don't care? How can you justify it for yourself? (Or your future wife, kids etc)

In response.. to some of this.. ( I do not judge either way...)
But I think some men are genuinely lonely and perhaps,.. conditioning plays a bit of a part.

I agree with everything you said however...as always :D

[Asshole]

Lol i call bullshit on this "split everything fairly crap" and no its not because i surround myself with whores, i bought one, in prague after a few beers,

Ashamed.. No?

The brothel was a very reputable clean pace where you pay a decent entry fee get two free drinks, pay a lot for any other drinks you buy and the women themselves choose which guy they want to sleep with, its not like a German brothel where you walk room to room till you find some chick you wanna bone hand some money over to her and she HAS to fuck you,

you wait for the women to approach you, therefore shes interested, and before we all go off on "its purely for looks then" so what, can you honestly say you've walked up to a guy that looks like a bucket of smashed crabs and said "I'm looking for a boyfriend, so we can sit chat, have a few drinks and if i like you ill take you home?

The brothel worked the same way as any other human relationship, it starts with attraction, then you pay and ram the shit out of her,

I stick by its the best fuck Ive ever had, and not to be rude, its her profession, shes probably better than 99% of non prostitutes..

as for thinking why shes there, no i did not, its easy to see she earns a decent wage..

so think what you like about me as a human being for sleeping with a whore, its life experience, it was fun and there was no messy string afterwards, she spoke to me for 20 minutes i paid we fucked i left and a good time was had by all.

as for the ongoing money situation, would you frown on a girl because i buy her meal, because i buy her a few drinks?

that's just the way it is I'm afraid go figure, im kind and generous, and if i do and don't get anything from it i don't go home and curse her, i actually find it more respectable that she doesnt give herself away so easily, after all she is NOT a prostitute and to be fair i wouldn't want that kind of behaviour from a potential girlfriend,

if i do sleep with them fine, i might see them again that's not a problem, but I'm afraid i see it as bullshit if you claim you don't find it endearing when a guy spontaneously buys you gifts, why does he do it? to make you happy, and why does he want you to be happy, he must like the relationship, and whens all said and done although he may not directly think of it when hes buying you a teddy or some flowers etc it all eventually pays off in the bedroom

Women are whores. in a roundabout way thats how it all figures out in the end

[DnD]

I'm in the opposite position to be paying for sex. Im at that point in my life where sex comes easier than money, so instead, if there is any forum ladies out there who are willing to pay...I accept cash, cheques, money orders, or booze. :heybabe:

[Asshole]

I usppose i better also point out then that i in no way need to pay for sex at all, i just decided to on that particular night, the last night of my holiday in a country that hates the english

[Aeon]

Lol i call bullshit on this "split everything fairly crap" and no its not because i surround myself with whores, i bought one, in prague after a few beers,

Ashamed.. No?

The brothel was a very reputable clean pace where you pay a decent entry fee get two free drinks, pay a lot for any other drinks you buy and the women themselves choose which guy they want to sleep with, its not like a German brothel where you walk room to room till you find some chick you wanna bone hand some money over to her and she HAS to fuck you,

you wait for the women to approach you, therefore shes interested, and before we all go off on "its purely for looks then" so what, can you honestly say you've walked up to a guy that looks like a bucket of smashed crabs and said "I'm looking for a boyfriend, so we can sit chat, have a few drinks and if i like you ill take you home?

The brothel worked the same way as any other human relationship, it starts with attraction, then you pay and ram the shit out of her,

I stick by its the best fuck Ive ever had, and not to be rude, its her profession, shes probably better than 99% of non prostitutes..

as for thinking why shes there, no i did not, its easy to see she earns a decent wage..

so think what you like about me as a human being for sleeping with a whore, its life experience, it was fun and there was no messy string afterwards, she spoke to me for 20 minutes i paid we fucked i left and a good time was had by all.

as for the ongoing money situation, would you frown on a girl because i buy her meal, because i buy her a few drinks?

that's just the way it is I'm afraid go figure, im kind and generous, and if i do and don't get anything from it i don't go home and curse her, i actually find it more respectable that she doesnt give herself away so easily, after all she is NOT a prostitute and to be fair i wouldn't want that kind of behaviour from a potential girlfriend,

if i do sleep with them fine, i might see them again that's not a problem, but I'm afraid i see it as bullshit if you claim you don't find it endearing when a guy spontaneously buys you gifts, why does he do it? to make you happy, and why does he want you to be happy, he must like the relationship, and whens all said and done although he may not directly think of it when hes buying you a teddy or some flowers etc it all eventually pays off in the bedroom

Women are whores. in a roundabout way thats how it all figures out in the end


Wow...

You really shouldn't buy things for women if this your mentallity...
I challenge you to not buy a thing for a single woman for 2 months...
I bet you will meet a super great girl.. who doesn't need a guy to buy her things to be in love with him.
If a guy spontanously buys me something i am now hoping he's done it because he saw something and it made him think of me.. and not that deep down he's done it to get in my pants..
What a tainted view.
Do you buy things for your mom... I dread to think!:|

[Calienta]

A girl doesn't need a guy to support her ... Nor does she need gifts here and there (though they are nice if he can afford it) to want to be with him. If your girl leaves you because you don't pay for her dinners and shit, then she's not worth it. A girl ought to be self-sufficient, and I can say this honestly, I do NOT care if somebody I'm with has no money, or even costs me money, so long as he's making a real effort to support himself.

In short, if a girl costs you money and is pissed if you will only pay for yourself, she ain't worth the time, boys ;)

[Asshole]

lol yeah its all well and good for you girls talking about it in theory, but really, if a guy buys you nothing, you will be shot of him its as simple as that, and thats no different to prostitution, a guy buys you sexy underwear or lingerie for your birthday, hes gonna get to see you in it, hence its paid of, and your no different to a prostitute, except your accept material items rather than cash..

however i think you all (especially aeon judging by her last post) mis understand the point im trying to get across, as always people take things too literally on here

So to get things straight

I Do not have to pay prostitutes for sex, i chose to ONCE

I Do buy presents for girls/girlfriends, and none have ever left me because i havent etc, but lets face it girls if you were never given anything you would think of him as a scrooge and thats not attractive is it

I do not hang around with girls who demand i buy them drinks, i offer, its no skin off my nose its only a couple of quid.. you can always get more money, but never more time after all

And last but not least judging by calientas post (that i may be misunderstanding), i generally have no problem obtaining or keeping a girlfriend, if we split up its all but once been on good terms, so i dont need any advice on waiting a while till i find someone i love etc..

A man will buys you things you will put out, not as simple as that but thats the bare bones of it, as i said its all well and good for you girls to type "i dont want presents dont need them blah blah blah" But its gonna be different if a man you love refuses to buy you things, its just gonna drive you apart, its a money issue, and money issues cause more breakups than cheating partners

[Calienta]

Well I would expect him to treat me the same way I treat him ... If I get him a birthday or Christmas gift I would expect the same. If I don't, I can't expect him to, can I? If he can't afford it, totally different story. If he can, then pony up pretty boy :P

But I do NOT expect random flowers or gifts coming out his arse in my direction. I don't need that kind of stuff.

[Asshole]

Again point missed, nevermind,


So lets put it this way..


Valentines day, you been with a guy 6 months

He buys you nothing, barely even considers what day it is, how do you feel??

Theres no way hes getting laid for a month, you may even possibly split up with him..


Now you have Mr romantic, flowers choclates, cute bear, a nice candlelight meal, or spontaneously taking you out somewhere unusual etc, whatever would float your boat, that guy is getting laid, and your not gonna chip in on your valentines present are you..

And dont reply with "but its valentines day!" Its a girls holiday not a guys.. guys hate it girls love it, we tolerate it because if you have a girlfriend and you make the effort she will love you even more for it, if not your a gonner,

A perfect example of the point im trying to make

[Calienta]

Sorry that I missed your point ... I thought you were meaning if he never buys us anything we're pissed. Well, yes we're pissed, if we bought him something and it wasn't reciprocated.

Is that what you meant?

As for Valentine's day, I don't expect anything except maybe dinner out (that we both pay for is fine with me) or even a small box of chocolates. I guess I learnt from my parents, they never celebrate Valentine's day nor their anniversary. They don't have to, just say "Happy Anniversary honey", etc, and that's all they need. And they're perfectly happy together.

[Asshole]

Simple fact if a guy never buys or pays for anything the relationship wont last

If he does his far share or more than the relationship has more of a chance of survival, that chance is paid for by money, relationships always lead to sex, hence he has paid for sex, its a simple theory that women wont accept, yet rather than hand you $100 hes given you material items of the same worth,

If you had sex with your boyfriend and afterwards he gave you money yes you would be shocked, but if he came home later that day/the next day with a present, you wouldent think twice about it.

in a roundabout way its the same thing, presents gifts etc ensure a relationship survives and both parties are happy, they are not entirely neccessarry but accept it or not it happens in every one

[Calienta]

Well what about when I was with Darren for a whole year before we met up? He wasn't getting any sex from me :P So when he sent me gifts or whatever did that make me a prostitute? Or would you say it's the prospect of future sex?

[Asshole]

yes its the prospect of future sex, im not saying when he was buying them he was thinking, this will get me laid in a year, but he always knew it was only gonna help the relationship grow, which eventually will lead to a physical relationship,

im not saying all men are cunts and only buy presents to get laid wether it crosses our minds or not which it rarely does, if you think about it, its going to lead there eventually..

Like a wedding, yeah its nice to be able to call someone your wife/husband whatever, but most blokes who do want the titles could care less if its the two of you a few family and friends the priest and the witness, its the female who wants the expensive white dress church big reception etc, either way you cut it its all the same, hes forked outshitloads to keep you in HIS bed for the foreseeable future

[Calienta]

Actually as far as tradition goes it's the bride's parents who pay for the wedding :P

[Asshole]

lol that goes along with the no sex before marrage tradition, which is well out of the window too

i see you conceed said point, welcome to a logical way of thinking

[Calienta]

lol I can see your point, that doesn't mean I agree with it :P

I'm just having trouble expressing myself well enough to make you understand MY point of view.

EDIT: sadly, my parents won't pay for my entire wedding either. Sometimes change is bad! lol!

[Flashman]

Prostitute: Will have sex with anyone for money

Girlfriend: Will have exclusive sex with one person without any monetary requirement (though frequency may increase with some material benevolence)

[miemio]

One (or two) quick argument(s) to this before I hit the sack..

Guys aren't the only ones buying presents?! Nowadays girls are in possesion of just as much money as guys are, the bringing-home-the-bacon* argument is just too old these days. I'll admit I would never stay in a relationship with a guy who made me pay for everything, that's one point for asshole. And also I can say that it seems like the way the prostitution happened in that case sounds more ok than a lot of other episodes I've heard about. And I can understand how young guys get curious and want to try. I know I am in no position to judge anybody, and I guess everyone have their reasons for the choices they make. What bothers me is the relaxed/no-biggie mentality towards prostitution in general that seems to be very widespread:/
"Everybody knows it's wrong, but everybody does it, so what the hell, I might as well try it too!"

You keep bringing up the argument that all women sell their bodies for something. And of course you can look at it that way; everybody sells their bodies in some way, renting them out to our employers.. But I'd say, and I'm sure you'll all agree that there's a lot of difference between degrading yourself to smiling to rude customers when you work in a store and having to pretend to enjoy being buttfucked by total strangers on a daily basis.

It's no mystery that all relationships include exchanges of services, no relationship would ever survive without a reciprocal exchange of benefits. (If a friend cooks dinner for me, I babysit for them etc.) But to use the fact that men often obtain sex by buying their girls presents to excuse the buying of sexual favours from prostitutes is taking this logic too far and neglecting the moral aspects of it. Just because you can back an act up with empty logic it doesn't mean it's ok to do it.

When you turn sex into a commodity you degrade it to something trivial, meaningless and dull. Its like stoipping for a bigmac on McDonalds because you're to lazy to go home and cook yourself a real meal.

(Women have traditionally needed men with money because they haven't had the opportunity to manage economically on their own. A man had to show that he had money and was willing to invest them in the offspring, if not the woman would be wiser to pick someone else for a partner. social exchange theory (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=social+exchange+theory&method=2&gwp=13)).

[miemio]

Prostitute: Will have sex with anyone for money

Girlfriend: Will have exclusive sex with one person without any monetary requirement (though frequency may increase with some material benevolence)

Man: needs sex on regular basis, appreciates prostitutes ability, willingness and submissiveness, but prostitute cannot be the girlfriend because hypoctritical man want girlfriend to be innocent. Man wants to have his cake and eat it too. :$

[HellRaiser]

Wow this thread turned into an ideology discussion lol.

What some may have forgot is, not everyone has an easy boring 9 to 5 job.
Quite a few people these days have weird hours or shifts not to mention,
very demanding jobs and lives where hustle and bustle, no real time for relationships.
So all they can do is get the perverbial "quickies" lol.

If a woman wants to make money by selling her body ( because I do not buy the "I was forced or can't do anything else" line)
then so be it. If a guy rather pay for some hot filthy sex with someone obviously more attractive
then the average everyday girl, then so be it, his money and satisifaction.

Let's not also forget their is a thing called "Gigolo" where the women have to pay the guy.
Yes it may not be as dominant as call girls but just the same exist.

Personally, I never paid for it, but if I did, I wouldn't feel pathetic.
End result is, who cares what anyone does, it's their own body, money and business.

[the squid of despair]

Let's not also forget their is a thing called "Gigalo" where the women have to pay the guy.




It's gigolo, trust me on this ;)

[Flashman]

Man: needs sex on regular basis

Sure - but so do most women.....

[I Got Priors]

Sure - but so do most women.....


quoted for emphasis...:P

[Nazkyn]

yes its the prospect of future sex, im not saying when he was buying them he was thinking, this will get me laid in a year, but he always knew it was only gonna help the relationship grow, which eventually will lead to a physical relationship,

im not saying all men are cunts and only buy presents to get laid wether it crosses our minds or not which it rarely does, if you think about it, its going to lead there eventually..

Like a wedding, yeah its nice to be able to call someone your wife/husband whatever, but most blokes who do want the titles could care less if its the two of you a few family and friends the priest and the witness, its the female who wants the expensive white dress church big reception etc, either way you cut it its all the same, hes forked outshitloads to keep you in HIS bed for the foreseeable future

Actually, because of certain circumstances that I won't go into, me and Rachel weren't even going to have sex when she came over to the UK, that was by my decision. But I didn't buy her a Christmas/birthday present to get her into bed, that didn't even occur. I did it to see the smile on her face.

Equating regular females to prostitutes in any way is well out of order mate. Maybe you're feeling slightly ashamed and looking for ways to justify sleeping with an actual prostitute?

[Asshole]

Actually, because of certain circumstances that I won't go into, me and Rachel weren't even going to have sex when she came over to the UK, that was by my decision. But I didn't buy her a Christmas/birthday present to get her into bed, that didn't even occur. I did it to see the smile on her face.

Equating regular females to prostitutes in any way is well out of order mate. Maybe you're feeling slightly ashamed and looking for ways to justify sleeping with an actual prostitute?

Lol this is not meant to turn into a discussion about you, and for starters i dident even bring your relationship up


I Dont need to justify sleeping with a prostitute, why should i? she has a job, i paid for her services, 30 minutes and the best fuck ive ever had, i do not need to justify myself. perhaps if all you doubters went to a brotherl you would see actually how clean and what a nice atmosphere there is in there. Prudes


Anyway as with most people in this thread, youve missed the point, im saying that the other females in this thread should not be looking down on prostitutes, because at some point in their life, they are going to have sex as a result of a romantic meal, romantic present, engagement/wedding ring whatever, and they are being bought and paid for in the same way, im not arguing about "who brings home the bacon" etc, im just saying all women sell, themselves for something.

Wether or not they see it as that at that moment in time is irrelevant..

a guy walks up to a girl at a bar, buys her a drink they start chatting, buys her another, eventually they sleep together, if he had not approached and bought her a drink, then they would never have got it on. Therefore through this contribution of money they slept together, its material worth rather than out and out money

(waits for the feminists to complain that she could have bought him a drink blah blah)

[Tca]

(waits for the feminists to complain that she could have bought him a drink blah blah)

pmsl

i actually see the point asshole is making here, maybe if you all stopped just coming in here ranting about shite, you'd actually read what he is saying and stop taking it wrong

@ asshole, did they make you have a shower n that first too?

[Asshole]

yes, you shower first and it comes out of the time you have paid for, after you have finished the female goes to shower before she goes out into the bar again,

You also haveto use thier condoms, not allowed to use your own, was on the rules that were just inside the door

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

in reality all men pay for sex...

we pay for it when we date the bitches
we pay for it when we marry the bitches
and we pay for it when we divorce the bitches

except for me im not payin them for the sex i just pay the bitch to leave

[Asshole]

well thats two people grasping the basic concept now

[Nazkyn]

Lol this is not meant to turn into a discussion about you, and for starters i dident even bring your relationship up


I Dont need to justify sleeping with a prostitute, why should i? she has a job, i paid for her services, 30 minutes and the best fuck ive ever had, i do not need to justify myself. perhaps if all you doubters went to a brotherl you would see actually how clean and what a nice atmosphere there is in there. Prudes


Anyway as with most people in this thread, youve missed the point, im saying that the other females in this thread should not be looking down on prostitutes, because at some point in their life, they are going to have sex as a result of a romantic meal, romantic present, engagement/wedding ring whatever, and they are being bought and paid for in the same way, im not arguing about "who brings home the bacon" etc, im just saying all women sell, themselves for something.

Wether or not they see it as that at that moment in time is irrelevant..

a guy walks up to a girl at a bar, buys her a drink they start chatting, buys her another, eventually they sleep together, if he had not approached and bought her a drink, then they would never have got it on. Therefore through this contribution of money they slept together, its material worth rather than out and out money

(waits for the feminists to complain that she could have bought him a drink blah blah)

I was using my relationship as an example, which unfortunately was brought up, and you replied to with a frankly ridiculous answer :cheeky:

Plus I wasn't saying that you should need to justify sleeping with a prostitute, I was implying that maybe you needed to justify it for yourself, it was more of a question. I know for a fact that I would be making excuses for sleeping with a prostitute if I had.

I think you're also missing the point that most people are trying to make :cheeky: Sex isn't always a result of giving something material like you seem to be implying that it is.

[Asshole]

So how many times have you just walked up to someone and had sex with them, no Money at all expended from your wallet, all sex comes as a result of material things, a prostitute needs to see the monetary wealth, women need to see the material wealth, but its all the same bag of tricks.

[Nazkyn]

Ofcourse i've bought something for every girlfriend i've had at some point, but I think you're thinking kinda like - gifts = happiness = sex, so it boils down to - gifts = sex? As one example.

[Asshole]

pretty much the jist of it, im not saying i go up town thinking i want sex ill get her a present but we all know it makes a girl happy to get a present, and a happy girl puts out, a sad one does not

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

Actually, because of certain circumstances that I won't go into, me and Rachel weren't even going to have sex when she came over to the UK, that was by my decision. But I didn't buy her a Christmas/birthday present to get her into bed, that didn't even occur. I did it to see the smile on her face.

Equating regular females to prostitutes in any way is well out of order mate. Maybe you're feeling slightly ashamed and looking for ways to justify sleeping with an actual prostitute?


let me break it on down...

you bought her a gift

she fucked you bigtime(even so it wasnt sex)

priznostitute

[Nazkyn]

pretty much the jist of it, im not saying i go up town thinking i want sex ill get her a present but we all know it makes a girl happy to get a present, and a happy girl puts out, a sad one does not

But it aint always gifts that make a girl happy, and I suppose we could say that all males are gigolo's AND willing customers then, because we get gifts too and there are definitely more males who will buy a female a drink just to get her into bed than vice-versa :cheeky:

let me break it on down...

you bought her a gift

she fucked you bigtime(even so it wasnt sex)

priznostitute

Haha :P I don't feel that hard done by :P

[Asshole]

I dont htink on the entire 8 pages of the thread did i say i wasent a gigolo, infact i even stated it works both ways

[Calienta]

Asshole ... Did it ever occur to you that maybe YOU'RE the one missing a serious aspect to relationships? I think we're all intelligent enough to discuss this properly, but I honestly think you're lacking something in your relationships with women if you believe what you do. Happiness comes from things OTHER than gifts, or things of monetary value. I don't have sex with a boyfriend because he bought me something or whatever :S I'd be having sex because I WANT to be having sex :P I'm happy because of other things, and if he never bought me a thing more than what I bought him, it'd be the same. And you give gifts because you want the other person to be happy, not for sex. I don't buy my brothers and father and mother and DOGS gifts because I want to screw them :|

[miemio]

Hmm this just doesn't go anywhere without spelling it all out does it..

First off. I could call all men whores too if you want me too. If I buy dinner or cook a nice meal for my man, maybe give him a backrub or something, my odds for him going down on me that evening skyrockets. A happy man is a horny man. Just like you said with the women. And I fully am aware that women buy sex too, there just isn't so much of it and therefore it doesn't become a natural part of a prostition debate (although it should, I guess). A man who sells his body to strangers is in just as bad a position as the women who do it. To think that men are the only ones taking pleasure from sex and wanting to recieve sexual favours, is neanderthalic, and it's cowardly to try to end the discussion with the "feminist card". No matter what gender, allowing yourself to rob others of their sexuality is not a thing to be proud of!

2. And what is it with the male sexdrive that supposedly makes it superior to ethics? Men and women need sex just as much, to say something else would be lying. Don't give me no bullshit about how your balls hurt if you can't get any - take a wank then for god's sake. I can get so horny it hurts when there is no outlet, but it doesn't make me don't look up male prostitutes in the yellow pages. What makes it so acceptable for men to do this?? By blaming their "uncontrollable" sexdrive men place themselves in a helpless position where they have no control over their own bodies. Is that really how men view themselves?


3. I don't look down on prostitutes, I just feel sorry for the ones who don't have a choice. I even said I believe that some enter into the profession out of their own volition, (I mean, I'm not frigid, I read coelho's "11 minutes" with big eyes, I too spent some teenage moments flirting with the glorified idea of life as a prostitute. It's just that common sense and general knowledge tells me that it would be an economical, intellectuall, sexual and psychological disaster if I did something like that.)
For the most part the choice of entering into prostitution is done in lack of other options and (in most cases) with severe consequences to mental health, who can deny this? (research on prostitutes has shown time and time again that a BIG percentage of them have psychological issues and problems developing a normal sexlife because of the job they have had. )


4. What bothers me about the attitude that seems to be representative in here is that you all justify the buying of sex with the exchange of values that goes on in all relationships, and completely dismiss your responsibility as a human beng to not cause other people needless harm. (you know all that humanrights yadayada - "everyone has the right to decide over their own body" etc) And as Nazkyn points out, sex usually is more than a commodity in normal relationships, but by viewing it merely as a commodity I think you just might ruin your ability to experience that?


Ps. I want to point out that I'm not so naive that I think prostitution will go away or that all situations where sex is bought and sold are as bad as the worst scenarios (f.i. like some of the scenes in "human trafficking (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0461872/)" :( ). I'm just pointing out that I think it's unethical and cruel to justify it with empty logical arguments. Just because the whore you met were clean and seemed happy does not mean that that is the general sentiment amongst prostitutes.




PPS. While researching I found: "A number of reports over the last few decades have suggested that prostitution levels have fallen in sexually liberal countries, most likely because of the increased availability of non-commercial, non-marital sex"
Yay.. the beginnning of the divorce between sex and money? (a)<--naive and hopeful miemioface

[Asshole]

Asshole ... Did it ever occur to you that maybe YOU'RE the one missing a serious aspect to relationships? I think we're all intelligent enough to discuss this properly, but I honestly think you're lacking something in your relationships with women if you believe what you do. Happiness comes from things OTHER than gifts, or things of monetary value. I don't have sex with a boyfriend because he bought me something or whatever :S I'd be having sex because I WANT to be having sex :P I'm happy because of other things, and if he never bought me a thing more than what I bought him, it'd be the same. And you give gifts because you want the other person to be happy, not for sex. I don't buy my brothers and father and mother and DOGS gifts because I want to screw them :|


i dont think your quite grasping the point, i know theres more to realtionships than sex and money, your getting me very very wrong on that whole scenario.

But it still seems you lot dont like the idea that you too are doing a similar thing, as do ALL humans in the given scenarios.

[Asshole]

Hmm this just doesn't go anywhere without spelling it all out does it..

First off. I could call all men whores too if you want me too. If I buy dinner or cook a nice meal for my man, maybe give him a backrub or something, my odds for him going down on me that evening skyrockets. A happy man is a horny man. Just like you said with the women. And I fully am aware that women buy sex too, there just isn't so much of it and therefore it doesn't become a natural part of a prostition debate (although it should, I guess). A man who sells his body to strangers is in just as bad a position as the women who do it. To think that men are the only ones taking pleasure from sex and wanting to recieve sexual favours, is neanderthalic, and it's cowardly to try to end the discussion with the "feminist card". No matter what gender, allowing yourself to rob others of their sexuality is not a thing to be proud of!

2. And what is it with the male sexdrive that supposedly makes it superior to ethics? Men and women need sex just as much, to say something else would be lying. Don't give me no bullshit about how your balls hurt if you can't get any - take a wank then for god's sake. I can get so horny it hurts when there is no outlet, but it doesn't make me don't look up male prostitutes in the yellow pages. What makes it so acceptable for men to do this?? By blaming their "uncontrollable" sexdrive men place themselves in a helpless position where they have no control over their own bodies. Is that really how men view themselves?


3. I don't look down on prostitutes, I just feel sorry for the ones who don't have a choice. I even said I believe that some enter into the profession out of their own volition, (I mean, I'm not frigid, I read coelho's "11 minutes" with big eyes, I too spent some teenage moments flirting with the glorified idea of life as a prostitute. It's just that common sense and general knowledge tells me that it would be an economical, intellectuall, sexual and psychological disaster if I did something like that.)
For the most part the choice of entering into prostitution is done in lack of other options and (in most cases) with severe consequences to mental health, who can deny this? (research on prostitutes has shown time and time again that a BIG percentage of them have psychological issues and problems developing a normal sexlife because of the job they have had. )


4. What bothers me about the attitude that seems to be representative in here is that you all justify the buying of sex with the exchange of values that goes on in all relationships, and completely dismiss your responsibility as a human beng to not cause other people needless harm. (you know all that humanrights yadayada - "everyone has the right to decide over their own body" etc) And as Nazkyn points out, sex usually is more than a commodity in normal relationships, but by viewing it merely as a commodity I think you just might ruin your ability to experience that?


Ps. I want to point out that I'm not so naive that I think prostitution will go away or that all situations where sex is bought and sold are as bad as the worst scenarios (f.i. like some of the scenes in "human trafficking (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0461872/)" :( ). I'm just pointing out that I think it's unethical and cruel to justify it with empty logical arguments. Just because the whore you met were clean and seemed happy does not mean that that is the general sentiment amongst prostitutes.




PPS. While researching I found: "A number of reports over the last few decades have suggested that prostitution levels have fallen in sexually liberal countries, most likely because of the increased availability of non-commercial, non-marital sex"
Yay.. the beginnning of the divorce between sex and money? (a)<--naive and hopeful miemioface


1) I did not say only men receive pleasure from sex, i have portrayed both sides of the coin on every argument i have made so far, and to be honest how is paying for prostitution robbing somebody of thier sexualtiy..

2) secondly who said i fucked the whore because i was horny, she was attractive we chatted for a while , i paid we had sex goodbye, i dont see what you find so dirty about that, its not like it was a street hooker being forced into it by her pimp, this was in a country were prostitution is legalised, where women apply for the job, its a relatively poor country where brothels are in some of the most expensive looking buildings and they all these "poor unfortuante whores who are forced into selling there bodies" walk around in prada shoes, and expensive outfits.

I realise that some prostitution is horrible and skanky, i would never sleep with a prostitute there, i have no problem tho of going into a nice brothel in a country where it is legalised and paying for a bit of fun, i fail to see whats wrong with that and its got nothing to do with my sex drive, i can go without, whatever. i dont care, crack one out, no problem, i did it because i chose to, and its those arguments that made me use the word feminist, because it makes you look like you have an a problem with men..


3) i think i just covered.

4) as for 4 im not trying justify it at all, i dont need to, what i did is not wrong, now if someone here wants to admit they went to soho and fucked a street prostiute in a dirty skanky backroom and paid her pimp afterwards, then yeah ive a problem with that.

But Material or monetary wealth leads to sex, you just said, giving your bloke presents increases the liklehood he will go down on you, thats acknowledging the bsic fact i pointed out, any of you want to prove that wrong, go find the nearest homeless guy and try having a meaningful relationship with him, lol try even having a physical relationship with him, im sure he will jump at the chance

[Calienta]

Well I see what you're saying about if someone gives you a romantic gift it could get you in the mood for some hanky panky. But they aren't BUYING it unless there was a prearranged agreement that gifts=getting laid. If there was no such agreement, then it isn't being purchased, and if the girl gets in the mood from this romantic dinner and gives the guy what he was wanting, she hasn't been BOUGHT ... she's just in the mood now and wants it herself! How is that a purchase, it's just a mutual feeling derivative of something the guy did with or without full knowledge that sex would come of it.

[Aeon]

I let a guy buy me a sandwich last night.. I couldn't help it... HE INSISTED!

I didn't offer him sex however.. do u suppose i ripped him off?

The sandwich was good...

[Kloaked Spirit]

I let a guy buy me a sandwich last night.. I couldn't help it... HE INSISTED!

I didn't offer him sex however.. do u suppose i ripped him off?

The sandwich was good...

Obviously that just makes you a whore whose price is more than just a good sandwich. He didn't realize that he needed to buy dessert too. I'm sure he'll sue you for false advertising later on because you basically advertised yourself as a sex for sandwich whore.

As far as paying for sex is concerned, I don't see it as wrong as long as a few criteria are met:

- The transaction is between two (or more if it's for a threesome, etc.) consenting adults;
- The transaction is legal; and
- There are no external pressures beyond the ones that anyone would experience from working a normal job (e.g. I need to make x amount of dollars or my pimp will beat me.)

I could easily see some women entering the profession and having the mindset of "I love to have sex. I can make it a profession and do what I love to make a sufficient living." Even the HBO show Cathouse shows that there are people and places where these conditions do exist. Outside of those conditions, it's a different story.

[Aeon]

Obviously that just makes you a whore whose price is more than just a good sandwich. He didn't realize that he needed to buy dessert too. I'm sure he'll sue you for false advertising later on because you basically advertised yourself as a sex for sandwich whore.



I said I would pay.. I didn't want him to pay!
I feel so used!

[Pierre Greenstein]

Bonjour mes Chéris,

Fistly, I wish everyone health and happiness for the new year. I hope you had a magical time with the people you love most.

As far as ce sujet is concerned, I believe a few of you confuse an unconditional relationship including l'amour with random pleasure moments – some people might call the latter random chances to experience sexual intercourse. Buying someone a drink or giving them a drink doesn't give you anything back in return automatically. Accepting a drink or a present isn't equal to signing a contract which would include to perform one's obligations. The receiver will – or will not - return something OF THEIR OWN VOLITION.
Besides, have you ever considered that buying someone a present can be meant as a thank you rather than an expectation? If you do the math on how much money you've spent for someone, you haven't met the right person yet. There are things you can buy with money and there are things you can't. Imagine to enjoy someone's happiness every morning, someone who is putting up with you and your emotional drama all the time. You have met the right person if you don't regret to give them everything you have.
I have to be careful to not confuse sex and relationships. It is hard for me, as one doesn't go without the other for me. Again: each to their own. What applies to me doesn't have to apply to anyone else.

Sex is the most natural thing there is and I don't see a reason to make such an emotionally overwhelming time sound dirty. It takes beaucoup de courage to confess that one has had an intimate time with a professional lady who's offering pleasure services.
I have to admit that I can't imagine myself enjoying my time avec une prostituée, as it would give me the feeling of being a routine job to someone else. The idea that I benefit from the experience someone made with Rob, Steve, Bob, Frank and Emma the cow doesn't sound overly appealing to me. This however only reflects my own opinion and everyone has a right to do what makes them happy as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Some of you should consider to take your hat off instead of picking on “Asshole”. You don't have to identify with what he's doing or believing in, but you can tolerate it and realise that he doesn't harm anyone at all. It's better than harassing random people in a club.

As for what Miemio said, let's keep in mind that prostitution is the world's oldest profession. The studies, you refer to, indicate that prostitutes have a hard time to develop a normal sex life. Like you, I feel for them and you also have a point by stating that ladies wouldn't have to deal with all these problems if men didn't demand certain services. However (!!!), we aren't talking about ladies that are being forced to do what they do. I'm not sure what you are suggesting, but don't you think it's a bit narrow-minded to blame a prostitute's fate on the urges of a few men?

As for Aeon, I'm glad to hear that you are on a slow pace to build trust first.

Hug each other and don't forget to smile, mes Chéris. Love is something you need to share – not to keep to yourself.


Yours,


___________* *
_______ + * + * + *
.·´ˉ`·._.·´ˉ Pièrre .·´ˉ`·._.·´ˉ
_______ + * + * + *
___________* *

[Flashman]

I let a guy buy me a sandwich last night.. I couldn't help it... HE INSISTED!

I didn't offer him sex however.. do u suppose i ripped him off?

The sandwich was good...

was it a tuna sandwich, by chance?

[Asshole]

LOL i actually had a bet with someone to see how long i could make this thread last, if its reached double figures i win

[HellRaiser]

A man who sells his body to strangers is in just as bad a position as the women who do it.

What makes it a bad position?

No matter what gender, allowing yourself to rob others of their sexuality is not a thing to be proud of!

Confused here, who and why is someone robbing another of their sexuality?
No one is being robbed of anything, two willing individuals getting exactly what they both want.
I didn't realize an act soley of gratification can make one debate muchless harm their sexuality lol.
All kidding aside, I think maybe you are severely confusing or relating the act of sex and making love in a meaningfull relationship.


Don't give me no bullshit about how your balls hurt if you can't get any - take a wank then for god's sake. I can get so horny it hurts when there is no outlet, but it doesn't make me don't look up male prostitutes in the yellow pages. What makes it so acceptable for men to do this?? By blaming their "uncontrollable" sexdrive men place themselves in a helpless position where they have no control over their own bodies. Is that really how men view themselves?

Why would someone ( who obviously doesn't have a mate or fuck friend) want to take a wank
if they can easily attain or afford a lusty sexy gratifying service?
Why a stance of it being not acceptable and to whom?
How and why does it concern or bother you so much?
Why do you claim it is a helpless situation?
Why would someone want to contain it?

It's just that common sense and general knowledge tells me that it would be an economical, intellectuall, sexual and psychological disaster if I did something like that.

How would it be an economical problem?
They make more money (then what?) 90% of women and men jobs make, lol.
What does intellectual got to do with it? Does having frequent sex make you dumber?
Okay, so maybe for you it would be a psychologoical disaster, but that is usually because
those who do have that happen from the start can't distinguish the differences between
a job of soley giving sexual pleasure as an service and the act of making love in a meaningfull relationship.
Well obviously that type of people are in the wrong profession arn't they now?

For the most part the choice of entering into prostitution is done in lack of other options and (in most cases) with severe consequences to mental health, who can deny this?

I call bullshit to an extent. Yes it may be harder to survive in harder hit economic regions of the world, thus the profession.
But for a majority of the world it is hardly the case muchless forced into it.
There is always a CHOICE, unless of course you were bought in some slave market lol.
The reality is a lot of women do it because it's easy way to make money without working too hard.
The same reason strippers do what they do.


research on prostitutes has shown time and time again that a BIG percentage of them have psychological issues and problems developing a normal sexlife because of the job they have had.

That is because they already had the incapability in the first place lol.
Like I said, if one obviously can't distinguish the differences from providing a service and the
act of making love in a meaningfull relationship, of course you are going to have psychological problems or mental problems.

What bothers me about the attitude that seems to be representative in here is that you all justify the buying of sex with the exchange of values that goes on in all relationships, and completely dismiss your responsibility as a human beng to not cause other people needless harm.

What bothers me is the judgemental attitude by some that seem to think attaining sexual pleasure outside a committed relationship or fuck friend is somehow evil and bad lol. Clearly it is shown and proven by your own words that not even you could distinguish the differences. The only harm being caused is to those who shouldn't be involved in the first place. Somehow that isn't anyone else problem really.

I'm just pointing out that I think it's unethical and cruel to justify it with empty logical arguments.

Ethical and morality is a variable and determined by the individual.
I don't see anyone arguing with empty logic, I only see people who can't distinguish differences
between sex and love and making an biased and judgemental stance based SOLEY ON THAT.

[Calienta]

Bonjour mes Chéris,

Fistly, I wish everyone health and happiness for the new year. I hope you had a magical time with the people you love most.

As far as ce sujet is concerned, I believe a few of you confuse an unconditional relationship including l'amour with random pleasure moments – some people might call the latter random chances to experience sexual intercourse. Buying someone a drink or giving them a drink doesn't give you anything back in return automatically. Accepting a drink or a present isn't equal to signing a contract which would include to perform one's obligations. The receiver will – or will not - return something OF THEIR OWN VOLITION.
Besides, have you ever considered that buying someone a present can be meant as a thank you rather than an expectation? If you do the math on how much money you've spent for someone, you haven't met the right person yet. There are things you can buy with money and there are things you can't. Imagine to enjoy someone's happiness every morning, someone who is putting up with you and your emotional drama all the time. You have met the right person if you don't regret to give them everything you have.
I have to be careful to not confuse sex and relationships. It is hard for me, as one doesn't go without the other for me. Again: each to their own. What applies to me doesn't have to apply to anyone else.

Sex is the most natural thing there is and I don't see a reason to make such an emotionally overwhelming time sound dirty. It takes beaucoup de courage to confess that one has had an intimate time with a professional lady who's offering pleasure services.
I have to admit that I can't imagine myself enjoying my time avec une prostituée, as it would give me the feeling of being a routine job to someone else. The idea that I benefit from the experience someone made with Rob, Steve, Bob, Frank and Emma the cow doesn't sound overly appealing to me. This however only reflects my own opinion and everyone has a right to do what makes them happy as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Some of you should consider to take your hat off instead of picking on “Asshole”. You don't have to identify with what he's doing or believing in, but you can tolerate it and realise that he doesn't harm anyone at all. It's better than harassing random people in a club.

As for what Miemio said, let's keep in mind that prostitution is the world's oldest profession. The studies, you refer to, indicate that prostitutes have a hard time to develop a normal sex life. Like you, I feel for them and you also have a point by stating that ladies wouldn't have to deal with all these problems if men didn't demand certain services. However (!!!), we aren't talking about ladies that are being forced to do what they do. I'm not sure what you are suggesting, but don't you think it's a bit narrow-minded to blame a prostitute's fate on the urges of a few men?

As for Aeon, I'm glad to hear that you are on a slow pace to build trust first.

Hug each other and don't forget to smile, mes Chéris. Love is something you need to share – not to keep to yourself.


Yours,


___________* *
_______ + * + * + *
.·´ˉ`·._.·´ˉ Pièrre .·´ˉ`·._.·´ˉ
_______ + * + * + *
___________* *

Pierre, mon chéri ... If you weren't gay I would let you buy me a drink.

[Aeon]

Pierre, mon chéri ... If you weren't gay I would let you buy me a drink.


WHORE!:hehe:

[Calienta]

WHORE!:hehe:

You got me :hidey:

Say Aeon ... hows about I buy YOU a drink (H)

[Pierre Greenstein]

Pierre, mon chéri ... If you weren't gay I would let you buy me a drink.

It's such a shame that you are heterosexual, mon chéri.

Love,

___________* *
_______ + * + * + *
.·´ˉ`·._.·´ˉ Pièrre .·´ˉ`·._.·´ˉ
_______ + * + * + *
___________* *


P.S.
I had a bet with someone about the third letter in post #92 to be an "O" and third letter of the author to be an "O" too. Looks as if I won that one. I won't tell you that I had that wager with myself though.

[Asshole]

Lol you girls are taking the metaphor waaay to far but what can i expect from an over excited bunchof girls,

Anyway as previousley stated, the only reason i made the point and argued it was because i bet with somebody i could make this prostitution thread at least 10 pages long

[Aeon]

Lol you girls are taking the metaphor waaay to far but what can i expect from an over excited bunchof girls,

Anyway as previousley stated, the only reason i made the point and argued it was because i bet with somebody i could make this prostitution thread at least 10 pages long



lmao we are having fun with your metaphor...
you are taking it way to seriously "mr contest winner.":hehe:

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

whore whore whores

[Asshole]

lmao we are having fun with your metaphor...
you are taking it way to seriously "mr contest winner.":hehe:

contest winner ?

[Tca]

i know who pierre is..............

coincedence calienta and him are back eh

oh noes, mystery solved

yep, i know scooby doo

[Spork!!!]

I have seldom been paid for sex. ;p

[kitty]

I have seldom been paid for sex. ;p

Thats cuz people expect quality when they are paying vinnie;-)

[Spork!!!]

So whats the normal? Do they charge by the inch or by the minute? ;)

[Tca]

So whats the normal? Do they charge by the inch or by the minute? ;)

Either way, it ain't gonna cost much :cheeky:

[miemio]

What makes it a bad position?
Confused here, who and why is someone robbing another of their sexuality?
No one is being robbed of anything, two willing individuals getting exactly what they both want.
I didn't realize an act soley of gratification can make one debate muchless harm their sexuality lol.
All kidding aside, I think maybe you are severely confusing or relating the act of sex and making love in a meaningfull relationship.

If you would have read what I wrote you would have noticed that I pointed out that a BIG percentage of people who work as prostitutes end up with big problems attaining a normal sexlife afterwards. This is a well known fact and it has bee supported by a lot of research.
So the logic is:
1.buy sex -> seller ends up with sexual problems.
2.Don't buy sex -> seller does not end up with sexual problems because of you.

The love part of sex is not an issue in this part of the argument.

Why would someone ( who obviously doesn't have a mate or fuck friend) want to take a wank
if they can easily attain or afford a lusty sexy gratifying service?
Why a stance of it being not acceptable and to whom?
How and why does it concern or bother you so much?
Why do you claim it is a helpless situation?
Why would someone want to contain it?

These questions have been answered thouroghly in my previous posts.

How would it be an economical problem?
They make more money (then what?) 90% of women and men jobs make, lol.
What does intellectual got to do with it? Does having frequent sex make you dumber?
Okay, so maybe for you it would be a psychologoical disaster, but that is usually because
those who do have that happen from the start can't distinguish the differences between
a job of soley giving sexual pleasure as an service and the act of making love in a meaningfull relationship.
Well obviously that type of people are in the wrong profession arn't they now?

If I were to become a prostitute I would probably choose away f.i. a college education and an intellectual profession. And the prospect of having a "normal" life with husband and kids etc.
(If I were to choose prostitution as my lifelong-profession. Thats maybe not what people plan for when they prostitute themselves to get money for school or whatever, but a lot of times the money and lifestyle gets hard to leave behind, and returning to a "normal" life might not be as easy as one thinks.)

The psycological disaster part is already metioned - scientific proof that if you sell sex the odds of having psychological issues rises a lot.

Even though the backgroud of the type of people who end up in prostitution can account for much of the psychological problems (and other problems, like drug use etc), there still is substantial evidence that suggests that prostitution has a negative affect on psychological health. (and it isn't too hard to grasp is it? with the stigma, lack of sexual pleasure etc, sustaining a healthy psyche can't be the easiest of tasks.)


I call bullshit to an extent. Yes it may be harder to survive in harder hit economic regions of the world, thus the profession.
But for a majority of the world it is hardly the case muchless forced into it.
There is always a CHOICE, unless of course you were bought in some slave market lol.
The reality is a lot of women do it because it's easy way to make money without working too hard.
The same reason strippers do what they do.

Are you denying that most of the sexindustry consists of women who have no other choice? If you do then you are in severe denial. I have said many times here that SOME enter into prostitution by their own volition, but you have to agree with me that this is not the case in most instances?!


That is because they already had the incapability in the first place lol.
Like I said, if one obviously can't distinguish the differences from providing a service and the
act of making love in a meaningfull relationship, of course you are going to have psychological problems or mental problems.

Yes, some are already sick before they become prostitutes, but what makes them sick is not the confusing of sex with love. I think a prostitute knows damn well that what she's selling isn't love, the problem arises when she (or he) might want to be in a relationship and then discover that they have lost the ability to have "intimate" sex. (sex has become instrumental)


What bothers me is the judgemental attitude by some that seem to think attaining sexual pleasure outside a committed relationship or fuck friend is somehow evil and bad lol. Clearly it is shown and proven by your own words that not even you could distinguish the differences. The only harm being caused is to those who shouldn't be involved in the first place. Somehow that isn't anyone else problem really.

I'm just saying that since prostitution (in general, of course there are exeptions here as in every other part of life) often has such devastating consequences in the lifes of the prostitutes, it's not a phenomena one should be supporting if you have any compassion or consideration for fellow human beings. Of course if you choose to disregard these aspects I can't stop you, but I'ill still voice my opinions about it.


Ethical and morality is a variable and determined by the individual.
I don't see anyone arguing with empty logic, I only see people who can't distinguish differences
between sex and love and making an biased and judgemental stance based SOLEY ON THAT.

Yes, ethics are personal, but that's no reason to keep from discussing ethical matters. My ethical sense tells me that prostitution for the most part is not something to condone or support, and I base this on arguments that are rooted in scientific evidence.

I have no problem discerning love from sex, prostitutes sell sex, but in so doing they often sell their ability to experience love (an important part in human lifes, no?) and this is what makes this a tragic way of life for the ones who do it. Again, I know that there are degrees of how prostitutes cope with life and that some might "get away with it" without problems, but they are not the majority. It's egoistic (and probably very easy and convenient) to accept and support this industry without considering the costs for the people involved.

edit.. about the "empty logic", I'm referring to the jump from giving gifts to girlfriends to paying for sex from a prostitute. the two situations have the same underlying structure, but I call it empty logic because it doesn't account for all the other aspects that are very different in those two situations.

[Tca]

The psycological disaster part is already metioned - scientific proof that if you sell sex the odds of having psychological issues rises a lot.
.

If you come from a family where someone has had cancer, the odds rise alot.

If you come from an alcoholic home, the chance of you becoming an alcoholic rises alot.

Just because they say it, doesn't make it true.

But we should believe everything scientists say right?

[swiss miss]

If you come from a family where someone has had cancer, the odds rise alot.

If you come from an alcoholic home, the chance of you becoming an alcoholic rises alot.

Just because they say it, doesn't make it true.

But we should believe everything scientists say right?

YES, because we are always right :angel:

[Tca]

YES, because we are always right :angel:

Just checking

[miemio]

If you come from a family where someone has had cancer, the odds rise alot.

If you come from an alcoholic home, the chance of you becoming an alcoholic rises alot.

Just because they say it, doesn't make it true.

But we should believe everything scientists say right?

Are you saying that you don't think that you have a greater risk of getting cancer if your have relatives who have it?

Are you denying the fact that a lot of alcoholics have familymembers who also are alcoholics? (several studies show that alcoholism is genetically heritable in (results form many different studies show correlations ranging from .40 to .70)

Just because scientific studies usually is the best way to eliminate other factors and come up with replicable findings in different fields of knowledge there really is no point in taking it seriously right. We're all better off just using our ever so reliable common sense instead :)

[HellRaiser]

If you would have read what I wrote you would have noticed that I pointed out that a BIG percentage of people who work as prostitutes end up with big problems attaining a normal sexlife afterwards. This is a well known fact and it has bee supported by a lot of research.
So the logic is:
1.buy sex -> seller ends up with sexual problems.
2.Don't buy sex -> seller does not end up with sexual problems because of you.

I have a degree in human behavior sciences and in my old line work I knew many porn actors, hookers and call girls,
even way after they were done the profession, they never had any so called sexual problems.

Your argument or stance is more stemmed around women who CHOOSE a profession they were NOT COMFORTABLE
with in the first place, so naturally YOUR going to have sexual or psychological problems adapting later.

If I were to become a prostitute I would probably choose away f.i. a college education and an intellectual profession. And the prospect of having a "normal" life with husband and kids etc.

Why? There are thousands of women who do this as a side job to get through college.
Hell, most of them most likely have boyfriends at the time lol.
What and why does that stop you or anyone else from having a husband and kids later?

If I were to choose prostitution as my lifelong-profession. Thats maybe not what people plan for when they prostitute themselves, but a lot of times the money and lifestyle gets hard to leave behind, and returning to a "normal" life might not be as easy as one thinks.

Yes, that may be true but then it's obvious the money means more then anything else.
So obviously one does not want the other so called normal things in life that bad either.

The psycological disaster part is already metioned - scientific proof that if you sell sex the odds of having psychological issues rises a lot.

And I keep saying it only applies to those who choose a profession they were not COMFORTABLE WITH in the first place.

Are you denying that most of the sex industry consists of women who have no other choice?

Yes, because that is a lie. A majority CHOOSE this life freely.

If you do then you are in severe denial. I have said many times here that SOME enter into prostitution by their own volition, but you have to agree with me that this is not the case in most instances?!

No denial, reality. EG: Go ask a majority of law enforcement officers who interact with hookers plenty and you will see these people are perfectly CONTENT doing what they do and hardly forced or against their own wishes. Go ask a majority of porn stars if they were forced or against their own wishes to do that line of work. Go ask the many "call girls" if they do what they do because they were forced or against their wishes.

I call bullshit to it all.

Yes, some are already sick before they become prostitutes, but what makes them sick is not the confusing of sex with love. I think a prostitute knows damn well that what she's selling isn't love, the problem arises when she (or he) might want to be in a relationship and then discover that they have lost the ability to have "intimate" sex. (sex has become instrumental)

Those people like I already said, choose the wrong profession.

I'm just saying that since prostitution (in general, of course there are exeptions here as in every other part of life) often has such devastating consequences in the lifes of the prostitutes, it's not a phenomena one should be supporting if you have any compassion or consideration for fellow human beings.

I disagree 100%, I support the act of prostitution, call girls, porn stars and everything in between.
I believe everyone has the right and choice to do what THEY WANT in life.
I have tons of compassion and consideration, I just am not close minded nor gullable to want to believe the majority of the sex industry was forced into it or last resort lol.

Yes, ethics are personal, but that's no reason to keep from discussing ethical matters. My ethical sense tells me that prostitution for the most part is not something to condone or support, and I base this on arguments that are rooted in scientific evidence.

Your ethical sense tells you that, but ethics are personal.
It is in no way shape or form wrong because of it either.
Your science only applies once again to those who choosed a profession they SHOULDN'T HAVE.

I have no problem discerning love from sex, prostitutes sell sex, but in so doing they often sell their ability to experience love (an important part in human lifes, no?) and this is what makes this a tragic way of life for the ones who do it.

Why does it sell their ability to experience love?
If one can separate the difference, there is no problem.
Your trying to claim all working girls can't experience and give love because of it. Baloney!
It is only tragic for those who shouldn't be doing this profession.
Now that I or you or anyone else can do anything about that.

Again, I know that there are degrees of how prostitutes cope with life and that some might "get away with it" without problems, but they are not the majority.

Oh, I beg to differ, you got it backwards. It is the majority.
Only an idiot stays doing a job they hate, regardless of job lol.
How anyone can be so naieve to believe they were forced into sex industry or can't find any other line of work is.... BULLSHIT.

Don't get me wrong, you seem to be a intelligent person, just a bit naieve though lol.
Your looking at things from your point of view and morality/ethics, not reality.
If you would like to discuss the finer points of anything in human behavior science, by all means, another topic. :$

[Tca]

Are you saying that you don't think that you have a greater risk of getting cancer if your have relatives who have it?

Are you denying the fact that a lot of alcoholics have familymembers who also are alcoholics? (several studies show that alcoholism is genetically heritable in (results form many different studies show correlations ranging from .40 to .70)

Just because scientific studies usually is the best way to eliminate other factors and come up with replicable findings in different fields of knowledge there really is no point in taking it seriously right. We're all better off just using our ever so reliable common sense instead :)

No, im just not that naive to believe everything im told.

[miemio]

Hellraiser.. I couldn't be bothered to quote all of that since it would only be bickering from now on. As far as I can see we disagree on a few points, and by the looks of it they are points we will contiunue to disagree on no matter how long we discuss this.

1. You mean that the majority of prostitutes chose their proffesions freely. I believe the majority is forced (maybe not by a gun to the head, but because no other options are available) into this profession.

2. You believe that prostitution have no negative effects on a persons psyche, I believe it has.

3. You refuse to acknowledge that human trafficking is a huge part of the sexindustry, and seem only to focus on a romanticized view of the luxury whore. I don't see that many luxurious whores on these parts, so my focus tends to be on the ones that obviously have had no other choice.

I'm not the one being naive here, you are. You have a romanticized view of prostitution, I have a depressed (and maybe more realistic?!) one.

Show me the research on how whores are so mentally healthy and happy and I'll reconsider my position, but until then I'll rely on what I already know. I'm sure that will be no problem for you mr. Human behavior science ;)

[Uganja]

my money's on Hellraiser's wife being a hooker (Y)

[HellRaiser]

Hellraiser.. I couldn't be bothered to quote all of that since it would only be bickering from now on. As far as I can see we disagree on a few points, and by the looks of it they are points we will contiunue to disagree on no matter how long we discuss this.

This is true, but this is only because your discussing with a moral ethical position and I don't.
There is no room for moral or ethical positions in any topic of an discussion of psychology etc..

1. You mean that the majority of prostitutes chose their proffesions freely. I believe the majority is forced (maybe not by a gun to the head, but because no other options are available) into this profession.

Once again here is the key to the whole discussion ( YOU BELIEVE ) not know.
No one ever said anything about guns to head or literally forced, it was about your naive belief there is no other opportunities.
How can you actually sit there and believe muchless claim (for example) someone in a
capitalized economic nation such as North America, one MUST RESORT to being a
hooker, call girl or porn worker and cannot possibly find any other job?
Are you serious honestly? Your telling me and everyone the millions of women in this industry cannot do anything but this? lol
You just won't accept a majority do this because they WANT TO because it's EASIER TO MAKE MONEY.

2. You believe that prostitution have no negative effects on a persons psyche, I believe it has.

No, I never said that, what I said was there is no negative effects on a persons psyche that enjoy's their profession.
A majority of sex industry workers ENJOY THEIR PROFESSION contrary to your belief lol.

3. You refuse to acknowledge that human trafficking is a huge part of the sexindustry, and seem only to focus on a romanticized view of the luxury whore.

Funny you mention human trafficking, only because that is actually the smallest amount of the sex industry in first world nations. That mostly applies to third world nations.

If ya want to get down to say the USA as an example...

The average hooker is born and bred in the USA.
The average call girl is born and bred in the USA.
The average porn star is born and bred in the USA.

I don't see that many luxurious whores on these parts, so my focus tends to be on the ones that obviously have had no other choice.

And what area are you relating to?
I bet you there are plenty, you just don't know where to look.

I'm not the one being naive here, you are. You have a romanticized view of prostitution, I have a depressed (and maybe more realistic?!) one.

Trust me your naive, you just want to believe your ethical position has validity.
Mines not romanticized, it's realisitc from being around "said" individuals.

Show me the research on how whores are so mentally healthy and happy and I'll reconsider my position, but until then I'll rely on what I already know. I'm sure that will be no problem for you mr. Human behavior science ;)

Show me the bold so called scientists research that makes these claims.
Because last I checked this whole issue is 100% revolved around human behavior science/psychology lol.
So you will stick with what ya know or what you feel would be more accurate.
I think I'll take my own reality experiences with many "said" individuals over your non experienced ethical supposition. :P


my money's on Hellraiser's wife being a hooker (Y)

Never had a hooker as a wife lol. I had a few dancer girlfriends though. :cheeky:

[Nazkyn]

Human trafficking leading to forced prostitution is pretty big in the UK by the way, and it's on the rise. I think what Miemio means by 'forced' includes things like... drug habits, money problems etc... And course they have other choices, but if I was a women who got paid to have sex with upto 10 random strangers a day, I would feel pretty worthless and stuck. Also I don't feel it is the majority that come out of situations like that feeling happy, but I may be wrong ofcourse :) Just my 2 pence.

[Kloaked Spirit]

i know who pierre is..............

coincedence calienta and him are back eh

oh noes, mystery solved

yep, i know scooby doo

Yes! Cali grew a dick and the dick made her type in pink lettering! Great work! Riddle solved! ~hands scooby snack~

[Jacx]

apparently, the monkeys say ur all stupid.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1700821,00.html?cnn=yes

If evolution is to blame...lets kill all the hairy lil bastards!!!

[Jacx]

p.s. hellraiser...there is roughly a million women being sold or being used that have been sold at anyone time...what about them?, they get forced into prositution and stripping because they have to earn their so called cost back?

[Calienta]

Yes! Cali grew a dick and the dick made her type in pink lettering! Great work! Riddle solved! ~hands scooby snack~

That dick has been causing me some serious angst!

[HellRaiser]

p.s. hellraiser...there is roughly a million women being sold or being used that have been sold at anyone time...what about them?, they get forced into prositution and stripping because they have to earn their so called cost back?

Well, Maybe in the UK ya have a serious problem there, idk.
I am talking about the sex industry in relation to North America here.

[Asshole]

people being forced into prostitution happens everywhere, is it me or do you turn a blind eye to your own countries problems and prefer to blame others.


Either way the real morality issue is weather or not you choose to pay a prostitute who is being forced to sell herself.. no i wouldent,

I went to a nice reputable place and if i went back to prague would probably visit again

[Calienta]

HellRaiser ... While many girls and women are in prostitution of their own volition, there are MANY MANY who are not. And Canada is certainly not free and clear on that front.

http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Canada.htm

http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/48633.htm

Field research in the U.S., Canada, Colombia, Germany, Mexico, South Africa, Thailand, Turkey and Zambia conducted by eight specialists, led by Dr. Melissa Farley, concluded that 89 percent of people used in prostitution wanted to "escape." Sixty-eight percent met the criteria for post-traumatic stress disorder, and some 80 percent had been physically assaulted.


http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=3a1d1c7f-28c8-4537-b648-9f20e206c536&k=84454

[Jacx]

Well, Maybe in the UK ya have a serious problem there, idk.
I am talking about the sex industry in relation to North America here.

i was talking worldwide...but hey lets do the states.


http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/USA.htm

http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/rpt/78948.htm

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/22056066/

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/june06/human_trafficking061206.htm << i said a million a year, the FBI say 2..meh, however it is a 2006 report


fuck it too many links to post, its big and its popular here, and USA is a prime location to bring these girls to be sold.

[miemio]

I haven't had the time to post or look up links, good that some of you do! :)

But I did find something I found a little amusing:


"What are you doing here?": man asks wife at brothel


WARSAW (Reuters) - A Polish man got the shock of his life when he visited a brothel and spotted his wife among the establishment's employees.
Polish tabloid Super Express said the woman had been making some extra money on the side while telling her husband she worked at a store in a nearby town.
"I was dumfounded. I thought I was dreaming," the husband told the newspaper on Wednesday.
The couple, married for 14 years, are now divorcing, the newspaper reported.

http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL0910395120080109?rpc=64


So, what do you think Hellraiser, how would you like meeting your wife, sister or daugther at the brothel?

[HellRaiser]

Let's also leave out convienantly this little insignificant detail that is also stated there clear as day in small print lol

"CAUTION: The following links have been culled from the web to illuminate the situation in Canada. Some of these links may lead to websites that present allegations that are unsubstantiated or even false. No attempt has been made to verify their authenticity or to validate their content.".

In regards to the USA as Jacx pointed out...
Let's not also forget what this says also...

"The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency estimates that 50,000 people are trafficked into or transited through the U.S.A. annually as sex slaves, domestics, garment, and agricultural slaves."

Hardly a case to stand on 50,000 a year where only 1 out of the 4 areas claims sex slaves.
Do we divide that now equally to make the claim? lol
12,500 trafficking sex slaves from third world nations.
But okay, I'll be nice and give you the whole 50,000 sex trade trafficking.
This is very little in comparasian by a landslide to the millions born and bred in the said Country without such forced contrition or trafficking label.

And you were all saying what again?

I haven't had the time to post or look up links, good that some of you do! :)

Ya I thought it was good too, helped me more lol.

So, what do you think Hellraiser, how would you like meeting your wife, sister or daugther at the brothel?

It's all a personal choice, I have no say what another does, family related or not.
I respect each individual desicion to do what they please and don't judge them.

[Jimmy James]

I've gotten prostitutes before, I'm not shy about it... hell I used to go to this one massage parlor on a weekly basis