Tiger Kills Man at Zoo

[the squid of despair]

Since this hasn't been brought up yet, I will go ahead. Please give ffedback on who you feel is responsible and what action should be taken. I am postin 2 links; 1 to the main article and another to the message boards. Please provide feed back on both.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/26/AR2007122600141.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/comments/view?f=/c/a/2008/01/04/MNVKU9L9L.DTL&o=1

[Beli]

hmm.. were they teasing the tiger? and were they with the guy who was killed? what an awful thing to happen on Christmas.

[HellRaiser]

Well I am against the concept of Zoo anyway. Lock up animals and expect them to be a show for people is cruel.
They should be out in the wild free to roam.

But in regards to this incident... Responsibility?

The Zoo for not making the walls to recommendations obviously.

To the kids for taunting the lion, of course it's an wild animal it is only doing what comes NATURAL when unleashed.

The kids again for not being straight with police, for all we know they planned their so called friend bate lol.

[swiss miss]

Well I am against the concept of Zoo anyway. Lock up animals and expect them to be a show for people is cruel.
They should be out in the wild free to roam.

But in regards to this incident... Responsibility?

The Zoo for not making the walls to recommendations obviously.

To the kids for taunting the lion, of course it's an wild animal it is only doing what comes NATURAL when unleashed.

The kids again for not being straight with police, for all we know they planned their so called friend bate lol.

the first story in the post says the enclosure met standards, the second says actually the walls were too small (same for polar bear enclosure yet the zoo is still an AZA-accredited zoo which has standards require safety and emergency protocols that go beyond federal, state or local requirements." well by crikey if AZA cant use a tape measure properly then its not much of an accreditation and if their accredited zoos are supposed to be safer than non-accredited zoos then non accredited ones ought to have escapes all the time!!).

we had a lamb once whos sole aim in life appeared to be to attempt to escape its pen. Much like some people i guess some animals just dont want to be penned in and restricted and i guess tatiana found some kind of freak loophole in her enclosure and escaped (there doesnt appear to be any evidence that the boys aided her escape i dont think)...... its a bit scary that One cafe worker would not open the door for them, and a zoo staffer driving a golf cart was "diffident," on christmas day thats very sad.......

[Tca]

Wild animals, so they shoot a wild animal for doing what comes natural? The irony.

[Beli]

One cafe worker would not open the door for them, and a zoo staffer driving a golf cart was "diffident," on christmas day thats very sad.......

they were high on pot and drinking.. every part of their story is doubtful. especially after they refuse to help the police and then get an attorney.

[Chas]

Imo if the tiger just got out and attacked them they would have said so by now,the fact that they have said nothing(or very little)and have lawyered up is a sign they have something to hide ...it's a shame that that poor tiger had to die because of these twats..it's also a shame he didn't eat/kill all 3 them

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

id feed the other 2 to the alligators

[the squid of despair]

they were high on pot and drinking.. every part of their story is doubtful. especially after they refuse to help the police and then get an attorney.

And how would the cafe worker know that unless they opened the door? High on pot or not, let the kids in. Regardless of any taunting, the tiger should not have been able to get out. Unless of course they actually were hanging their legs in the enclosure and the tiger used them to climb up. I find it hard to believe that a man could hang on to a railing and not fall backwards when grabbed by a tiger.

Imo if the tiger just got out and attacked them they would have said so by now,the fact that they have said nothing(or very little)and have lawyered up is a sign they have something to hide ...it's a shame that that poor tiger had to die because of these twats..it's also a shame he didn't eat/kill all 3 them

Absolutly ignorent, how can you justify this? Since when does teasing/taunting an animal justify killing? Is it the same fore people who tease or taunt other people? Should they die too? The value on human life is so sub-standard these days...

[Beli]

And how would the cafe worker know that unless they opened the door? High on pot or not, let the kids in. Regardless of any taunting, the tiger should not have been able to get out. Unless of course they actually were hanging their legs in the enclosure and the tiger used them to climb up. I find it hard to believe that a man could hang on to a railing and not fall backwards when grabbed by a tiger.


i meant that their account of things is probably not accurate. maybe there wasn't even a cafe worker there. i find it hard to believe that some zoo worker is traveling around in a gold cart when they know a tiger is on the loose and is attacking people.

[the squid of despair]

The security guard on the golf cart was unaware at the time. They approached her for help and to inform her of the escape.

[Chas]

[/QUOTE]Absolutly ignorent, how can you justify this? Since when does teasing/taunting an animal justify killing? Is it the same fore people who tease or taunt other people? Should they die too? The value on human life is so sub-standard these days...[/QUOTE]

My ignorance ?...it's the ignorance and sheer stupidity of these people that has caused this to happen ..if the tiger was able to get out on her own then why has this not happened before they must of had a hand in helping it escape (as their reluctance to cooperate is proof of that in my eyes) if the tiger had just escaped on it's own they would have said straight away and now be talking compensation ...the animal just did what comes naturally and they got what they deserved for pulling this stupid stunt

People are not wild animals and if you taunted/teased someone they wouldn't turn and maul/claw/bite whatever ..I dont think life is cheap far from it ,but if you tease wild animals that just plain dumb

[HellRaiser]

Ya, give it to that squid lol.

[the squid of despair]

My ignorance ?...it's the ignorance and sheer stupidity of these people that has caused this to happen ..if the tiger was able to get out on her own then why has this not happened before they must of had a hand in helping it escape (as their reluctance to cooperate is proof of that in my eyes) if the tiger had just escaped on it's own they would have said straight away and now be talking compensation ...the animal just did what comes naturally and they got what they deserved for pulling this stupid stunt

People are not wild animals and if you taunted/teased someone they wouldn't turn and maul/claw/bite whatever ..I dont think life is cheap far from it ,but if you tease wild animals that just plain dumb


So wait a minute, you're saying humans don't attack when provoked? How many times have you seen someone talking trash, and then get their asskicked? Every day, and rightly so in some cases. However, to KILL someone over something so minor is crossing the line. If the situation were life or death, of course we can kill or be killed. Of course the tiger cannot rationalise like humans. What you're saying equates to saying that the Va Tech shootings were justified, I mean the kid was being teased and taunted everyday, so they got what they deserved, right?

[Chas]

No fair point of course humans react like that everyone has a breaking point but normally it would be few punches and thats it i agree to actually kill over something like that is going to far ....from what I know of the Va Tech shootings the perpetrator was mentally ill not really the same sort of situation is it ?.and no they didn't deserve that to happen no-one does ....basically all I trying to say was that they bought this on themselves by mucking about with a wild beast

[the squid of despair]

basically all I trying to say was that they bought this on themselves by mucking about with a wild beast


True. As the phrase goes, mess with the bull, get the horns. In this case; mess with the tiger, get the claws.

Regardless, the zoo should still be 100% responsible, if the escape was un-aided. There is no excuse for an animal escaping and killing a person, regardless of taunting. I mean little kids roar at the tigers every day, what if it snapped and mauled a 5 year old? Let me guess, blame the parents.

[HellRaiser]

Regardless, the zoo should still be 100%responsible, if the escape was un-aided. There is no excuse for an animal escaping and killing a person, regardless of taunting. I mean little kids roar at the tigers every day, what if it snapped and mauled a 5 year old? Let me guess, blame the parents.

I agree the zoo should be blamed if the escape was un-aided.
But also not the lion fault either muchless been killed over it.

[tip]

those 2 articles contradict each other. Officially was the wall, and moats up to the ava or w/e standards?

[baldfuck]

I have been a bit confused. Squid, are you saying that just because they teased the tiger that was no excuse for the tiger to kill them?

As everyone has pointed out, if the enclosures didn't meet regs or guidelines then it is the zoos fault.

Personally I don't like zoos and (children aside) there is a small part of me that thinks 'if you support a zoo by visiting it and if something horrible happens to you as a result, then that small part of me doesn't hold the same sympathy for you if you the same horrible thing happened to you if you were in the middle of the African/Asian wilderness'.

(Off topic: In the same way I can't help but feel a little bit of resentment to all these people in the UK whose homes have been flooded out due to increase floods due to global warming. Everyone has been far to lazy or uninterested to act even though it has been predicted for decades. Now it has, 'boohoo, look at my fucked up life.' You should have turned your lights off, lagged your your attic and pipes, insulated your cavity walls and refused to use the stand-by faciltiy on your TV and video. Then you might have a right to moan.)

As for killing the animal for doing what it does naturally. It sucks big-style, but if they don't, experience has shown that those animals are far more likely to attack again.

Zoos suck.

[the squid of despair]

I have been a bit confused. Squid, are you saying that just because they teased the tiger that was no excuse for the tiger to kill them?

As everyone has pointed out, if the enclosures didn't meet regs or guidelines then it is the zoos fault.

Personally I don't like zoos and (children aside) there is a small part of me that thinks 'if you support a zoo by visiting it and if something horrible happens to you as a result, then that small part of me doesn't hold the same sympathy for you if you the same horrible thing happened to you if you were in the middle of the African/Asian wilderness'.

(Off topic: In the same way I can't help but feel a little bit of resentment to all these people in the UK whose homes have been flooded out due to increase floods due to global warming. Everyone has been far to lazy or uninterested to act even though it has been predicted for decades. Now it has, 'boohoo, look at my fucked up life.' You should have turned your lights off, lagged your your attic and pipes, insulated your cavity walls and refused to use the stand-by faciltiy on your TV and video. Then you might have a right to moan.)

As for killing the animal for doing what it does naturally. It sucks big-style, but if they don't, experience has shown that those animals are far more likely to attack again.

Zoos suck.


More like boo-fukin hoo, they killed a tiger. To clairify, I donot think they deserved to die, but I can't reason that point with a tiger. Although off topic, global warming is bullshit. But there's another thread for that, so let's go there if you want to debate it.

[Colonel Sanders]

In the 1930's and 40's there were more torrential floods in the United States and Britain, and more hurricanes in the United States by 3 times than there is now. You still want to spout off that global warming bullshit baldfuck? It's a cycle

My stance on the tiger incident is has it always been. Pretty much similar to Squids.

However I do not like Zoo's in the first place, they should not exist. Animals should not be caged and stricken from their natural habitats just for the amusement of some human children and select others. Shut em down I say. Put a water park in their place.

[Todd]

The value on human life is so sub-standard these days...

Well if they're willing to taunt a bengal tiger then they're the ones who think a low value of life lol

[Mikey:)]

I lay all responsibility directly in the lap of the tiger