Discussion on Punishment for Racist Remarks

[Vinay]

i say...

Racist Posts towards someone in particular should get a straight ban.

i think this place many are getting away with it easily. About time Mods/Admins take this serious.

[Nazkyn]

i say...

Racist Posts towards someone in particular should get a straight ban.

i think this place many are getting away with it easily. About time Mods/Admins take this serious.

Quoted for emphasis ;-)

[Asshole]

They take it too seriousley already. dont be a twat

Dident TCA call you, as a joke a curry muncher in another thread, you took that fine and dident care, you laughed about it, with your "rule" he would have instantly been permabanned..

Nothing you say on this FORUM should lead to an insant permaban, repeat offences maybe, but even then if you get upset about a post your the one giving power to it, not the poster

[Tca]

They take it too seriousley already. dont be a twat

Dident TCA call you, as a joke a curry muncher in another thread, you took that fine and dident care, you laughed about it, with your "rule" he would have instantly been permabanned..

Nothing you say on this FORUM should lead to an insant permaban, repeat offences maybe, but even then if you get upset about a post your the one giving power to it, not the poster

lol vinay is a fucking joke

he knows i was joking, whats his beef? if he had balls, he'd have just called me a thieving aussie cunt.......................fucking curry munchers

well i agree, instant bans for rascist comments are a buncha shite

[Vinay]

ive said this as in general ive seen few that got get away with it few times before.

and as for what your talking about.. well it did offend me and i tried to take it as a joke and brushed it off.. but they were keep on going at it so i simply reported them. simple as that. arguing with those losers are no use and waste of my time.

[Tca]

fine report me

im scared

[Jacx]

http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=13652 for asshole, tca and vinay if they want to discuss this shit, this thread is about forum improvements!

[Asshole]

http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=13652 for asshole, tca and vinay if they want to discuss this shit, this thread is about forum improvements!

What, and that thread improves the forum? i dont think so, what happened to the votes we were meant to have here,

What happened to thick skins, what happened to realisation that its an internet forum, words cant hurt me, if your sensitive to that stuff surely you should not be playing on a drug based game, with thugs pimps etc, i mean come on we are adults shouldent you all be able to accept some people are less sensitive to racism, call me whitey, a honky, cracker, limey, whatever, its not gonna upset me, so why does curry muncher upset people, why does rag-head,

And why on earth is this forum now perma-banning people for speaking thier mind, expressing thier view, being themselves, im not racist, some people are, its the way they are brought up, surely your discriminating against them?

Where do we draw the right and wrong? simple, in our own minds, dont like a users posts, fucking ignore them, thats what its there for, why have it if slowly certainw ords = insta permaban, undermines a system we already have in place, ruins the forums for others to save a select few, i dont particularly use racist comments (except at santo, and im sure he accepts them as an off the shoulder remark, because hes a fucking taco munching wetback)

How many more utilities will you put in place to pamper the babies, then overwrite with a permaban rule..

So much for the forum improving the forum, its still run by a couple of mini stalins, same as the last section, dosent matter whats said here if certain people dont like it, it wont happen..

Welcome to an internet forum, a place of "Almost" free speech

[Jacx]

What, and that thread improves the forum? i dont think so, what happened to the votes we were meant to have here,

I didnt understand that..i assume u mean its up for debate here, as long as people can talk without the crap thats fine, but most cannot hence the new thread on the subject!

What happened to thick skins, what happened to realisation that its an internet forum, words cant hurt me, if your sensitive to that stuff surely you should not be playing on a drug based game, with thugs pimps etc, i mean come on we are adults shouldent you all be able to accept some people are less sensitive to racism, call me whitey, a honky, cracker, limey, whatever, its not gonna upset me, so why does curry muncher upset people, why does rag-head,

Simple, who said we all have think skins...some of us yes, some no..who protects those people..us thats who!
You say they should not be playing a drugs baised game..well not everyone here is for dws...some are for gc, some fm, some becuase of facebook stuff and some just for the forums..so that argument is irrelevent!
As for calling u names..well fine asshole, u can handle it, u actually want it so u can give is as good as u get... point is some people don't, they want to come here and enjoy the site for other reasons and quite frankly they don't need to see it or put up with it!

And why on earth is this forum now perma-banning people for speaking thier mind, expressing thier view, being themselves, im not racist, some people are, its the way they are brought up, surely your discriminating against them?

Im not permabanning people for speeking their mind, im saying if you are going to keep using racist terms i will then permaban you becuase as stated its not allowed. As i said in the other thread, u call someone a curry muncher once its not gonna bother people, when 2-3 of u suddenly jump on someone and keep using the term and others, it upsets people.
Now u say im discriminating against them..well the rules say no racist comments, they know that when they join and read the rules, if they don't like it, they can go to another forum thats allows it..freedom of choice darlin, they can choose one way or the other!

Where do we draw the right and wrong? simple, in our own minds, dont like a users posts, fucking ignore them, thats what its there for, why have it if slowly certainw ords = insta permaban, undermines a system we already have in place, ruins the forums for others to save a select few, i dont particularly use racist comments (except at santo, and im sure he accepts them as an off the shoulder remark, because hes a fucking taco munching wetback)

If it ruins the forums me protecting the people who want to abide by the rules and don't want to see racist comments..so be it, like i said, freedom of choice, they can choose to stay or go.

How many more utilities will you put in place to pamper the babies, then overwrite with a permaban rule..

Whatever it takes to protect the simple rules of the forum which are in place to protect those that need it and allow the forum to run smooth and be a enjoyable place.

So much for the forum improving the forum, its still run by a couple of mini stalins, same as the last section, dosent matter whats said here if certain people dont like it, it wont happen..

Call me or others what u want petal, i stand by what i say. This thread is about improving the forum, not about racist comments, u want to debate that then do so, if u think racist comments should be allowed then say so, how does ranting that this thread don't matter becuase im threating to permaban people who push the rules and go over the top relevent to all of that?

Welcome to an internet forum, a place of "Almost" free speech

Amen

[Nazkyn]

Time for a HellRaiser-esque reply where I pick your post apart, word by word.

What, and that thread improves the forum? i dont think so, what happened to the votes we were meant to have here,

Does it have a detrimental effect on the forum? I mean, really? And what exactly do you want to vote on? The right to racially abuse another forum member?

What happened to thick skins, what happened to realisation that its an internet forum, words cant hurt me, if your sensitive to that stuff surely you should not be playing on a drug based game, with thugs pimps etc, i mean come on we are adults shouldent you all be able to accept some people are less sensitive to racism, call me whitey, a honky, cracker, limey, whatever, its not gonna upset me, so why does curry muncher upset people, why does rag-head,

"i mean come on we are adults" Has to be the best part of that :hidey: So shouldn't you be able to accept that some people are sensitive to racism? It's not upto you what other people find offensive, either.

And why on earth is this forum now perma-banning people for speaking thier mind, expressing thier view, being themselves, im not racist, some people are, its the way they are brought up, surely your discriminating against them?

This is ridiculous, kinda like equating the average women to a prostitute! Now, who would do that, eh!?

Where do we draw the right and wrong? simple, in our own minds, dont like a users posts, fucking ignore them, thats what its there for, why have it if slowly certainw ords = insta permaban, undermines a system we already have in place, ruins the forums for others to save a select few, i dont particularly use racist comments (except at santo, and im sure he accepts them as an off the shoulder remark, because hes a fucking taco munching wetback)

How does it ruin the forum? Is it that integral a part of you (or anyone else) to be able to abuse, racially or otherwise, people of your own free will? Surely it's not that HARD to not do it? You've just admitted that you do make racist remarks to Santo, and sure, he might take them as a joke... but any other Mexicans browsing the forum might not.

How many more utilities will you put in place to pamper the babies, then overwrite with a permaban rule..

Despite the blatant racism yesterday... Jacx only seemed to step in because of the reports (he can correct me if i'm wrong). How much more leniency do you whingers want!?

So much for the forum improving the forum, its still run by a couple of mini stalins, same as the last section, dosent matter whats said here if certain people dont like it, it wont happen..

I disagree. I think Jacx looks more like a Robert Mugabe than a Stalin, mate.

Welcome to an internet forum, a place of "Almost" free speech

Diddums.

[Asshole]

Two posts there which basically equate to:


Some people are sensitive.

So your gonna baby7 the pre-madonnas? aiw, as i said i dont intend to use racist comments towards vinay or whoever, but he lieks to think hes the big brass balled gangsta, so he takes a little bit of abuse, cries over it and we get banned words.

As i said he could just ignore them, if you dont wanna read racist comments and u see tca make one, ignore him, it works far better than permabanning and going against the whole idea of improving the forum, making it more active..

But hey lets pamper the babies.

[Kloaked Spirit]

Two posts there which basically equate to:


Some people are sensitive.

So your gonna baby7 the pre-madonnas? aiw, as i said i dont intend to use racist comments towards vinay or whoever, but he lieks to think hes the big brass balled gangsta, so he takes a little bit of abuse, cries over it and we get banned words.

As i said he could just ignore them, if you dont wanna read racist comments and u see tca make one, ignore him, it works far better than permabanning and going against the whole idea of improving the forum, making it more active..

But hey lets pamper the babies.

The only people that act like prima donnas in this situation are the people that wish to have racist remarks allowed in this forum. They're the only ones that believe they can say whatever they want, whenever they want, with complete disregard as to who they offend either directly or indirectly. Then they get offended when the rules disallow them the ability to do this. That's about as much of a prima donna attitude as you can get.

This rule has never been new. It's not even a "new forum" rule. We had this rule in the old forum, and we enforced it then too. We are not just "Dopewars" anymore. We're a collective group of players that consist of the "Oddthought" community. We can't please everyone, and we know this. However the rules are meant with the idea of making the forum a better place overall.

You want to make this about choice, and you're correct. However the choice wasn't yours to make. As a staff, it was decided long ago that it would benefit the forum more to not allow blatant racist remarks. People have driven others off of the site with racist comments, and those comments weren't even directed toward the people that have left. These were people that could've otherwise contributed a great deal to the forum. We also can't imagine how many people would've joined the forum only to decide not to as they chose not to be a part of a forum where people get away with such material. As a staff, being able to cater to those people and trying to improve the forum with their contributions far outweighs the ability to say "wetback" wherever you please.

Don't get me wrong. You do have a choice when it comes to blatant racist remarks, and it is just as simple. Abide by the rules, accept the infractions that come from not following them, or find a new forum. You may disagree with the route we've taken on this issue, and that's fine. No one's permabanning you because you disagree. However if the reports we've been getting as of recently are any clue, it has seriously gotten out of hand and something like what Jacx said needed to be said.

[Jacx]

no arsehole...im not pampering to the babies..im enforcing the rules to protect the masses!

edit..ks posted same time as me...so what he said :P

[Asshole]

So whats the function of the ignore button, im not saying outrightly allow them, im just pointing out that a permaban is idiotic..

As idiotic as the person reporting racist comments yet not iusing the ignore feature on the racist

That way people get the best of two words, if i want to call santo (sorry to use you as an example AGAIN) a wetback i can, we can laugh about it, and some other mexican with little faggoty balls whos as sensitive as a peach dosent have to see it.

But i should in no way be permabanned for it, its ludicrous

[Kloaked Spirit]

So whats the function of the ignore button, im not saying outrightly allow them

...

That way people get the best of two words, if i want to call santo (sorry to use you as an example AGAIN) a wetback i can

Choose a side and stick with it. You either want us to allow the comments or not. However, if we told everyone to "just use the ignore button" so they "wouldn't be offended" by you calling someone a racial slur, we would be openly allowing racist remarks. It would just make no sense to tell everyone that and then still give you infractions for racist remarks.

To answer your question though, the function of the ignore button is to keep from viewing every post that someone has made. Are you wishing to state that all you post is pure tripe? The ignore button doesn't pick and choose what posts get ignored based on a word filter. It just filters out everything you have to say, regardless of it's in A/I/W or here.

Also the use of the ignore feature does not solve this problem at all. I'm assuming you want everyone (both current and future members) to be psychic? I'm just wondering because in order for a person to ignore you because you made a racist remark, they had to have first seen you make one, and thus get offended by it. What makes you or anyone else so special that you all get to make that first shot at offending a person (directly or indirectly) prior to them ignoring you?

You say it's ludicrous that we actually had to resort to taking stronger measures. I think you're right on that. The mere fact that some people have such a complete deficiency in humor, vocabulary, and decent respect for others that the 1-week banning wasn't enough of a deterrent is ghastly.

[HellRaiser]

Time for a HellRaiser-esque reply where I pick your post apart, word by word.

Hehehehe. :tyty:

I disagree. I think Jacx looks more like a Robert Mugabe than a Stalin, mate.

Stalin was more brutal. :hehe:

[Spork!!!]

I would like to apologise to Vinay and anyone else I may have offended with my comments. I did not expect to be taken seriously, however I should know better than to allow others behaviour to influence mine.

This however begs the question, why is racism the only "ism" that is disallowed? Sexism and ageism are ignored or seen as valid points when making generalisations about others in here.

[HellRaiser]

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As for the topic at hand...

I see how more blatant repetitive comments (even in humor) can make others feel like it's racist.
So I can understand how the administration here says what they do and need to make a stance etc...

But I also think a good chunk of the World has become very anal and politically correct.
Almost anything you say anymore can be taken racist or offensive if ya try hard enough.
It's almost impossible anymore for someone not to feel insulted unless your kissing their ass with praise.

In the end becasuse of the shades of gray, it makes it very difficult.

In light of Spork comments, If I ever offended anyone or do so in the future unknowingly, I apologize...

















Now fuck right off ya crybabies! ;)

[Kloaked Spirit]

I would like to apologise to Vinay and anyone else I may have offended with my comments. I did not expect to be taken seriously, however I should know better than to allow others behaviour to influence mine.

This however begs the question, why is racism the only "ism" that is disallowed? Sexism and ageism are ignored or seen as valid points when making generalisations about others in here.

Honestly I think a big part of it is that the forum does moderate itself, and the forum community seems to feel that sexism/ageism is far less extreme than racism here. For example, I haven't seen one person report or otherwise bring up a comment someone else made about another "ism" in a long time. However, thanks to some of the more recent threads, we had over a dozen different reports generated for us to look at. Now there have been times where people have become highly offensive toward the female population and the forum's asked us to step in. When that happens, we do so.

[Asshole]

THe point i am making is this:

this place is becoming anally politically correct, thats wrong its an internet forum,

Nobody deserves a perma-ban for a racist comment

You cant have clear cut rules like that, every situation needs to be looked at differentley, and the involved parties contacted. Just hitting the ban button because they said nigger a few times is wrong.. maybe they are black, would you find it racist then?

for instance, those who hated bambi, can just ignore him, all his posts were tripe

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

im gonna put my 2 sence in here...

1. i tend to lean towards asshole stance but not all the way. i think that only EXTREME racism should be punished. muzza and smash were banned for messing with someone who was a "friend"

2.muzzas comment was towards black people and not towards indians at all.

3. banning just cause someone says a relatively docile rascist term is nuts, as is banning for anything else so minor. i beleive banning should only be used in extreme circumstances such as if someone kept doing the same shit for weeks on end (i.e bambi or me on occasions)

4. i see staff say some people dont play the games and come here just for the forum, well it aint damn many and most used to play te games so why are we pissing off the people that do play the games that actually support this forum?

5. yeah i bitch and whine with the best of em but very rarely do i ask for ban, there is many other ways of less servere punishment for less severe crimes.

6. this place doesnt have many users as is so why take the little bit of fun such as arguing and fighting ,even if it involves some rascist shit away from users. like i said if it gets extreme or stalkish then step in.

7. i see KS said above that sometime the FEMALE population gets offended, that statement right there is discriminatory to the male population actually just for the fact that maybe some of them say shit to males that we dont like.

my main worry is that if the forum gets stricter and stricter what is actualy gonna be left when the dust settles?

im making this post cause its my own views and by no means am i trying to belittle staff or anyone elses beliefs or views in this thread, im just thinking of the overall wellbeing of the forum and where paths such as this will lead this place in the future

[Asshole]

You know whats really funny?

the fact that "vinay" is complaining he was called an indian,

But after having talked to somebody i think im right in saying vinays old alias/multi was called.. (let me check to get this right)..

CrayZii-InDiaN


He must really hate being reffered to by his heritage.. i mean, he must find pbeing called an indian really offensive because he is in no way encouraging it with that forum name is he :hehe:


unban tca and muzza they in no way deserve it, expecially after being reported by a guy who (IF i am right) encourages the use of said "offensive terms"

[Vinay]

im gonna put my 2 sence in here...

1. i tend to lean towards asshole stance but not all the way. i think that only EXTREME racism should be punished. muzza and smash were banned for messing with someone who was a "friend"

2.muzzas comment was towards black people and not towards indians at all.

3. banning just cause someone says a relatively docile rascist term is nuts, as is banning for anything else so minor. i beleive banning should only be used in extreme circumstances such as if someone kept doing the same shit for weeks on end (i.e bambi or me on occasions)

4. i see staff say some people dont play the games and come here just for the forum, well it aint damn many and most used to play te games so why are we pissing off the people that do play the games that actually support this forum?

5. yeah i bitch and whine with the best of em but very rarely do i ask for ban, there is many other ways of less servere punishment for less severe crimes.

6. this place doesnt have many users as is so why take the little bit of fun such as arguing and fighting ,even if it involves some rascist shit away from users. like i said if it gets extreme or stalkish then step in.

7. i see KS said above that sometime the FEMALE population gets offended, that statement right there is discriminatory to the male population actually just for the fact that maybe some of them say shit to males that we dont like.

my main worry is that if the forum gets stricter and stricter what is actualy gonna be left when the dust settles?

im making this post cause its my own views and by no means am i trying to belittle staff or anyone elses beliefs or views in this thread, im just thinking of the overall wellbeing of the forum and where paths such as this will lead this place in the future

when it comes to racism you dont look at how small it is or how big it is or how EXTREME it is... racism is racism. simple as that... as by rules no racist comments are to be allowed in here and if they used it then they can expect something in return from the staff members. Simply if they cant follow some simple rule then they dont need to be here.

ben was just boosting/suggesting to jesse more....by the comment saying "you forgot the dotted forhead and towel wearing fuckwits"

as for jesse in this case i dont think he got a straight ban. 1st he got some points but he really didnt care and he was going on with more comments and he got the ban.

just because they play the games and comment in here dosnt mean they can post anything they want and they expect the staffs to do nothing?

what can we do about it if we only have less members in here? there is always been arguing and fighting going around in here.
As for staff its their job to make sure the place is looking good and there is no dramas..

the forum isnt getting stricter.. this is how it should be. u come here to chit chat and leave and come back and repeat the same thing.. not throw offensive racist comments to someone. if u dont like the rules. TOUGH LUCK.. they might as well find elsewhere where its free for them to say anything and that forum wouldnt mind anything.

and all this aint just about me also in general no one should be saying stuff like that.

I hope in future that those who made silly mistakes could change cuz this is a little society/community we are in and everyone has different perspective and not everyone would think like u and take things easily.


You know whats really funny?

the fact that "vinay" is complaining he was called an indian,

But after having talked to somebody i think im right in saying vinays old alias/multi was called.. (let me check to get this right)..

CrayZii-InDiaN


He must really hate being reffered to by his heritage.. i mean, he must find pbeing called an indian really offensive because he is in no way encouraging it with that forum name is he :hehe:


unban tca and muzza they in no way deserve it, expecially after being reported by a guy who (IF i am right) encourages the use of said "offensive terms"


wtf u talking about i never complained just because of that.

somebody saying ur an indian is different to

calling somebody all this

"fucking telemarketing, call centre wrecking, curry munchers"

"the dotted forhead and towel wearing fuckwits"

"make us some curry bitch"..."curry in a hurry!" and so on....


its not my multi it was my old account that KS banned cuz of that game.

crazy indian is a bit different to CrayZii-InDiaN

think what you like cuz its not important and the meanings are different.

[Asshole]

wtf u talking about i never complained just because of that.

somebody saying ur an indian is different to

calling somebody all this

"fucking telemarketing, call centre wrecking, curry munchers"

"the dotted forhead and towel wearing fuckwits"

"make us some curry bitch"..."curry in a hurry!" and so on....


its not my multi it was my old account that KS banned cuz of that game.

crazy indian is a bit different to CrayZii-InDiaN

think what you like cuz its not important and the meanings are different.

The only difference is that they can spell and arnt caps happy,

As for the rest your just showing your idiocy, why would you be offended byu

"the dotted forhead towel wearing fuckits", What religion are you?

make us some curry bitch and curry in a hurry is not racist either,
its a bloody business "http://www.curry-in-a-hurry.org/index2.htm"

make us some curry bitch is a minor offense at you, pretty much the same as me calling them rapists or thieves which i always do, and alas! never banned for it,

As for pointing out most telemarketers are indian, its as true as the sky is blue,

and to be honest curry munchers is not racist towards any group in particular, should i be offended because every fortnight me and my mates have a curry night down at the paprika on a wednesday?

You just looking to be a fucking martyr, how dare you claim their "racism" offends you when your forum names clearly stated you were a crazy indian.. your an idiot, people actually respect you here?

And it really annoys me that as a result of your bitching, despite your previous name, without really thinking about the insults used people get banned for a truley minor insult towards you,

Limey refers to british sailors eating limes to prevent scurvy, i get called it, That is just as racist as calling an indian a curry muncher isnt it.. but of course, racism only applies to certain people..

Hypocrit

[The Wicked One]

Why doesn't admin just open up a new discussion room within the forum?
You could call it "Pig Bastards".
Put it right below A/I/W.
Bill it as a place where "bastards like you can throw that racial card".

[Calienta]

Actually him calling himself a crazy Indian is no different than me calling myself a crazy Canadian or a crazy girl. It doesn't give people the right to aim every stereotype/racist/sexist remark in the book at me. His name was not derogatory. It does not invite insults at ALL.

[Nazkyn]

I'm struggling to understand how muzza's "the dotted forhead and towel wearing fuckwits" comment wasn't aimed at Indians at all, tung? He even said "no offense to you vinay ya porch monkey" after.

And Asshole, lets not lose any sense of common sense here. "make us some curry bitch" and "curry in a hurry" are racial stereotypes. As for Vinay calling himself CrayZii-InDiaN... your argument about that is ridiculous :S

[Asshole]

Limey is a stereotype, but nobody gets banned for it,

Crazy indian. Pathetic, its like a black guy saying ill call myself a nigger, but you better not!

How can he cry about being sterotyped when that was his forum name untill the account was banned,


Curry in a hurry is actually a business i gave you thier webby,

And tca did not even mean it as a derogatory term:

"i just made it up cos i say curry is a good laxative n makes you shit in a hurry rofl"

thats a direct quote of him from msn, where hes laughing about this thing,

Its pathetic they got banned for this, is vinay a hindu?, no so why should he be offended about a crack at hindus?

as stated tho, if calling someone curry muncher is a bannable offence, why is using the word "limey" not ?

[hoos]

I think understand what you are saying Asshole. And I kind of agree. You can't just ban someone for using a word, it's gotta be the context in how they use it. Yeah someone might complain, but we can't go blindly judging the situation without looking at it. Seems like we have justice before any sort of deliberation right now, and I don't think that's right (and staff correct me if I'm wrong, just what I've taken from this thread).

I truly think that the decision for a permanent ban, needs to be considered by more than just one admin. Each side needs to give their case and 3 admins should hear it out.

[Nazkyn]

Limey is a stereotype, but nobody gets banned for it,

Crazy indian. Pathetic, its like a black guy saying ill call myself a nigger, but you better not!

How can he cry about being sterotyped when that was his forum name untill the account was banned,


Curry in a hurry is actually a business i gave you thier webby,

And tca did not even mean it as a derogatory term:

"i just made it up cos i say curry is a good laxative n makes you shit in a hurry rofl"

thats a direct quote of him from msn, where hes laughing about this thing,

Its pathetic they got banned for this, is vinay a hindu?, no so why should he be offended about a crack at hindus?

as stated tho, if calling someone curry muncher is a bannable offence, why is using the word "limey" not ?

Well I never said TCA should have been banned. If a black person wants to refer to themselves and other black people as a nigger... then let them, how is it your problem? But it shouldn't mean you should see it as your call to step in and call them a nigger. Maybe they wouldn't take offense to it if you actually got close enough to them to call them a nigger instead of throwing it around when they're basically a stranger to you.

Do you know if Vinay or any of his family are Hindu's? Does Muzza? And why would Muzza apologise to Vinay if he didn't think Vinay could possibly take offense?

[Asshole]

Did you know tca and muzza dident go OTT till they knew they had been reported by a person they considered a friend, for what the considered to be a friendly insult??

Overly sensitive hypocrit. thats all it is, and this whole new ban racist words thing is pathetic, and is impractical, every situation needs to be looked at seperatley

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

well i actually read that thread and vinay called jesse a bitch first, that could be considered offensive, i mea if you start name calling and someone does come back with some raial shit its your fault for calling names in the first place.

AM i racist for singing 10 little indians to my daughter?

[Nazkyn]

Well, anyone who really knows me, knows that I have my own reservations that I know for a FACT would be classed as racist... but i'm not gonna go and make them known in public. I have the same stance as HellRaiser -

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As for the topic at hand...

I see how more blatant repetitive comments (even in humor) can make others feel like it's racist.
So I can understand how the administration here says what they do and need to make a stance etc...

But I also think a good chunk of the World has become very anal and politically correct.
Almost anything you say anymore can be taken racist or offensive if ya try hard enough.
It's almost impossible anymore for someone not to feel insulted unless your kissing their ass with praise.

In the end becasuse of the shades of gray, it makes it very difficult.

In light of Spork comments, If I ever offended anyone or do so in the future unknowingly, I apologize...

















Now fuck right off ya crybabies! ;)

And I think racism is being blown out of proportion, but i'm not gonna go and stereotype another culture in public because it could potentially be classed as racism... although I think that is out of proportion. I thought after I reported TCA that this was one of those cases where it was taken out of proportion, and I shouldn't have reported him... but it seems that others did anyway.

The problem with racism is that it may be a joke between friends... but someone else may find it offensive, that's why I think there's no place for it in public. We might have an ignore function... but you also have a private message function, and that way it can't be taken out of context by others.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

Actually him calling himself a crazy Indian is no different than me calling myself a crazy Canadian or a crazy girl. It doesn't give people the right to aim every stereotype/racist/sexist remark in the book at me. His name was not derogatory. It does not invite insults at ALL.


i find it offensive to crazy people.....since im crazy i find it very offensive that a sane person uses it.. also dont you think that maybe other indians will find it ofensive?....

[Kloaked Spirit]

By the way, Jesse was banned for this comment:

lol vinay is a fucking joke

he knows i was joking, whats his beef? if he had balls, he'd have just called me a thieving aussie cunt.......................fucking curry munchers

well i agree, instant bans for rascist comments are a buncha shite

Now, I want all of you that think this ban was unfair to tell me why. It's obvious at this point that he's not joking. He's obviously pissed off at the fact that people are reporting him for the multiple times that he's been using racial slurs, and he continues to do it. So, where's the joke?

Plus what has Jacx said originally? I think I need to pull out the important parts for you:

Now were not silly, someone can call me a arab bastard, limey git, greek tosspot yadda fucking yadda, im not gonna take offence.. but when u say one thing as a joke its fine...when u keep saying it over and over it becomes a form of abuse...so use if if u must in the the right context but don't fucking abuse it, all thses small point infractions and temp bans are gonna stop, it wil be perma bans plain and simple.

The truth is that everyone here arguing for racist comments has had them slide because we typically take the context into the situation. Case in point, I thought you all would want to know Asshole went on a reporting spree just trying to get everyone permabanned for saying the word "nigger" regardless of context. Who did he end up reporting? Tung a few times, Smash a few times, I think Jacx for posting end of round scores, and another moderator that quoted someone saying nigger to talk against it. Then we must also mention the amount of times that Asshole himself has used racial slurs in this very thread. So if we were to never take context into the situation, I guess everyone posting in support would need to be removed.

Tung, I love how you tried to make a point that "KS is discriminatory because he said FEMALE members." How many times have we stepped in for you when someone's gone after your daughter? How many times have we stepped in when you or another male member of the forum was getting flamed outside of A/I/W? Seriously, stop the bullshit there. I said female because when it comes to sexism, it's going to happen much more toward females in this forum than it is males.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

guess you didnt notice the sarcasm.. hey but i think jesses ban was unfai cause vinay instigated name calling him a bitch... vinay doesnt know maybe jesse gets offended by the word bitch just as much as vinay got upset bout curry munching.... shit we all munch curry so i dont see how thats rascist.. ask vinay if he ever ate curry and if he hasnt then ill change my view


btw i have reported a bunch of offensive posts also

[Kloaked Spirit]

It'd be easy to notice sarcasm if there was any there. It's obvious there wasn't. He was clearly pissed that he got reported and then continued to do the same stuff he was banned for.

As for the reports, I noticed you did it. I sent a fine PM telling you exactly what I thought about your reporting as well. Now, after I sent that PM, I saw that Jacx took a more extreme measure toward Asshole for doing the exact same thing you did. So I'll leave it up to you if I should do the same thing to you out of consistency.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

so im not allowed to report things that are offensive to me or breaking the rules?

and like i said vinay instigated the name calling but soon as something he didnt like was said all of a sudden the hammer of god drops on ben and jesse?

[Kloaked Spirit]

Well Tung, in the spirit and nature of needing to ban those that offend me, I guess I need to ban you on behalf of the staff. See not only would your reports make you one of the biggest forum hypocrites alive, you think that we have to be completely retarded on top of that to think that you of all people are offended by everything that could possibly be offensive in the most minuscule way.

I've also stated that it was far beyond Vinay that didn't like the discussion. At least half of the people that didn't like the discussion haven't even posted here. One would have to ask what do you consider extreme racism if you think that the ban of Jesse wasn't warranted? Honestly, if this wasn't a warranted ban, then you're nothing more than a hypocrite for going after the people that went after your daughter. I know they didn't decide to do it "just because."

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

im just saying curry muncher isnt rascist against one race at all, everyone eats curry. i munch on curry and it doesnt offend me. maybe the dot headed towel head might be considered rascist but then again they didnt say there was anything wrong with it... saying that is like me saying to you you where a baseball cap and wear glasses. the terms them selves werent racist it was how people percieved them to be. and if perception were to rule the forum we all would be in trouble.


as for my daughter, if she was old enough to defend herself i would let her, plus she isnt part of the forum. vinay is old enough to defend himself, my daughter isnt.. i mean fuck he is a grown ass man or did you staff members adopt him and make him your child?

my whole thing is all this was said in a/i/w if you dont want to be offended dont go there, if these statements were made outside of aiw then i could understand there being some recourse. also with my duaghter most of the stuf was said outside of aiw that caused people to get in trouble for being total douches

[Kloaked Spirit]

im just saying curry muncher isnt rascist against one race at all, everyone eats curry.

That's like saying that "wetback" is ok because "Everyone has a wet back at one point in time or another! I had one today by taking a shower!"

maybe the dot headed towel head might be considered rascist but then again they didnt say there was anything wrong with it...

At least two different people in this thread took issue with that comment in the third page alone. This doesn't count the reports we received from people that haven't posted here.

the terms them selves werent racist it was how people percieved them to be. and if perception were to rule the forum we all would be in trouble.

Exactly. That's why you need to take a look at everything in the entire thread like we did. We saw a person that's been busted for this multiple times get warned that he was pushing the envelope, and then continues doing it multiple times after that. Add that to the information I provided in my last post, and take it all into consideration. So, once again at what point do we go "ok that's extreme enough?"

[Asshole]

Its extreme enuff when somebody is saying

"im off to hunt me a nigger"..

Calling somebody a curry muncher is hardly an insult let alone racist, what a childish thing to get upset by it, and rag-head if your not even hindu.

They should not have been banned you pander too much for the sissies now.

It was in aiw, vinay started the name calling and tca dident blow his top untill he got reported, in aiw for insulting somebody who started the argument by calling him a bitch. who was also supposedly a friend of his.

just delete the flippin posts, bans were not warranted

[Kloaked Spirit]

Well Asshole that would be something we'll have to disagree on. I feel that after someone's already been given infractions/bans for doing something, then continues doing the same stuff afterward (despite staff warnings that he was going over the top,) the ban is warranted. However as you've stated before, this is all about choices. If you feel that you're being so repressed on what you're allowed to say, you can always go post here. (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/) I'm positive they'll let you call people towel heads and curry munchers to your heart's content.

[Asshole]

yes because thats not pushing for extremes is it KS,

Ive said everything about the bans now, its obvious your not going to listen to reason on the bans so whats the point?


You cant talk to the staff here they are all far to up themselves to listen to the "little" people

[Kloaked Spirit]

You cant talk to the staff here they are all far to up themselves to listen to the "little" people

Remember the entire prima donna complex that I was talking about? This is a prime example. You've reduced your entire argument to nothing more than throwing an internet forum tantrum full of parting shots.

Oh of course the staff doesn't take the time to listen to you. Why this entire subforum was reinstated due to a collaboration between staff and members. Then we only isolated this from the main thread in the subsection so people can comment on this particular issue by itself. Then we've addressed every single point you've thrown at us. We've explained countless times what went on during the situation, clarified many of the assumptions you made in the most recent incident, made a critical assessment of any suggestions brought forward, and did it all without having to use many of the personal attacks that you love to bring forward (such as the ones in your last response.) Let's also not forget the fact that rather than discussing "well people could abuse this rule by pretending to be offended in posts..." you (and Tung) just decided to flood our Staff section with reported posts going "ha people into bestiality would be offended here, ban!" mocking the thread's discussion.

I understand that you don't like the punishment for this particular rule. That is just something we are going to have to agree to disagree on, but you do know of our reasoning behind why it's so. We didn't reduce the rationale to just "because we said so." That being said, I will now use your own words to justify the bannings that were given. Then I guess you'll understand how much we have actually listened to you.

Nothing you say on this FORUM should lead to an insant permaban, repeat offences maybe, but even then if you get upset about a post your the one giving power to it, not the poster

Congratulations, you've justified the bans of both of those people as they are repeat offenders and have been given multiple warnings over this issue. One of the comments that lead to a ban even happened outside of A/I/W. Plus it was only a temporary ban this time and you were thinking that even a permanent ban may be acceptable here. So if anything, I wonder if you're only disagreeing with yourself just for the sake of hearing yourself argue. This is not the first time in this thread you've tried to have it both ways.

Now you can continue to think we never listened to you. You can continue to think that we had our heads shoved up our asses. That's fine. However if we were as bad as you really want to portray us in this thread, then this thread would not have existed and you would've been permabanned for "speaking [your] mind." (http://forum.oddthought.com/showpost.php?p=185191&postcount=8)





Mini Stalin for Life...

Edit: Assume for the sake of argument that we did make the open-house A/I/W a completely uncensored environment. Does this mean we get to be even harsher outside of A/I/W because you have zero excuse? Or should we still play the entire "well let's give a few warnings, then maybe do something" approach? After all, people are still going to make these comments outside of an environment like that.

[Spork!!!]

The funny part is that the game talk is totally unmoderated, so there seems to be a section where "anything goes" already. Hell, the blatant raciam , foul language, constant spam for other sites (sox - you blow) and self-proclaimed "banned users" (hi Bambi) in there makes a mockery of the whole SITE.
Off topic I know, but if you arent going to moderate that area at all then please at least put some sort automatic limit on the # of posts each user can meke in there each day, or each round. Also, an automated system to alter offensive / racist words could be used in there without too mush effort (once installed) on admins behalf, and possibly some amusing results.
As it stands now, can ppl. "report" offensive posts in there and expect any response except "don't read it".?

[Uganja]

i was another who reported said post, because it was, in my opinion: racism


Don't like it?


Tough shit.

[Kloaked Spirit]

The funny part is that the game talk is totally unmoderated, so there seems to be a section where "anything goes" already. Hell, the blatant raciam , foul language, constant spam for other sites (sox - you blow) and self-proclaimed "banned users" (hi Bambi) in there makes a mockery of the whole SITE.
Off topic I know, but if you arent going to moderate that area at all then please at least put some sort automatic limit on the # of posts each user can meke in there each day, or each round. Also, an automated system to alter offensive / racist words could be used in there without too mush effort (once installed) on admins behalf, and possibly some amusing results.
As it stands now, can ppl. "report" offensive posts in there and expect any response except "don't read it".?

Honestly I agree and the in-game events are a huge issue that we are working with. We've also thought of having in-game moderators that don't play those particular games for that particular reason.

You can PM Customer Service as those PM's will be read by game staff. As far as their responses would be, I honestly couldn't tell you because I'm not sure what they can do with their tools.

[Spork!!!]

Honestly I agree and the in-game events are a huge issue that we are working with. We've also thought of having in-game moderators that don't play those particular games for that particular reason.

You can PM Customer Service as those PM's will be read by game staff. As far as their responses would be, I honestly couldn't tell you because I'm not sure what they can do with their tools.

I must not comment, I must not comment... :zip:

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

i was another who reported said post, because it was, in my opinion: racism


Don't like it?


Tough shit.

dont like racist comments,,,,, then tuff shit on yout

[Asshole]

Edit: Assume for the sake of argument that we did make the open-house A/I/W a completely uncensored environment. Does this mean we get to be even harsher outside of A/I/W because you have zero excuse? Or should we still play the entire "well let's give a few warnings, then maybe do something" approach? After all, people are still going to make these comments outside of an environment like that.


In this scenario whats the problem with moving /deleting said posts ?

i havent tried to have it both ways in this thread and you misunderstood repeat offences..

For something really serious, i.e spamming a fellow users email address.

Not for an off the cuff remark to a friend, followed by more angry messages..

As for brining up the permaban etc, that was in response to jacx OTHER thread, and his idea that all racism should now be permabannable

The really hilarious thing thats arisen from this thread is the thought im a racist. people just dont seem to be able to see the fact the age old cycle of censorship leading to new section is upon us



Lets post clarification here for everyone who thinks im off to join the kkk or vote BNP or whatever

I am not arguing so much about the use of racist words, as i am for the fact we get BANNED for using it.and other things that can get us BANNED nowadays

[SEEM]

I left the FORUM a while ago becuz of this same damn convo...I can't believe U dudes want to be ALLOWED to offend ppl...I got reported for having a sig pic of the BLACK PANTHERS, that was deemed OFFENSIVE, the problem was that the guy/guys that reported me r the same ones that do ALL of the offending...And apparently they're STILL offending...U guys have got to be kidding!...The ADMIN is right, some ppl can take it others can't. They have to protect the ones that can't.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

go to pit of dispair in a/i/w there is some good shit for ya

http://forum.oddthought.com/forumdisplay.php?f=98

[Smash Bros]

I left the FORUM a while ago becuz of this same damn convo...I can't believe U dudes want to be ALLOWED to offend ppl...I got reported for having a sig pic of the BLACK PANTHERS, that was deemed OFFENSIVE, the problem was that the guy/guys that reported me r the same ones that do ALL of the offending...And apparently they're STILL offending...U guys have got to be kidding!...The ADMIN is right, some ppl can take it others can't. They have to protect the ones that can't.

i reported you then as you were being serious.

if someone was fucking around in here adn said something then i would leave it as it was said in jest.


somepeople will always be offended about anything and everything. if you try and please everyone it will please no one.

the simple way is dont tolerate it. yes i will still be myself and more then likely see some more bans. i do not go out to offend people specifically although with some i do make an effort. what i was banned for i didnt mean and said in jest. that some took offense too fucking bad. i have already given vinay my apologies as i said to him i did not know it was aimed at him.

[Nazkyn]

You are full of fucking shit. I agree that your offending post wasn't specifically aimed at Vinay, BUT included Vinay, and you know it.

[Tca]

Right fucknuts, lets clear up a few things here shall we?

1.) Edited Out

2.) Aren't we taught to just treat everyone as people and not colours? You all are being a bunch of racist cunts by treating them different, why not see them as people and realise they're just as prone to sledging as anyone else? I have a disabled friend who i pay out and he loves me, purely because i treat him like a normal kid.

3.) KS, your full of shit, i got one infraction prior to being banned and that one was for a PURE joke towards Vinay.

4.) Im not going to apoligise in the slightest, cause i meant everything i said.

5.) As for the pit of despair, im not going to just go down there and do my shit, its a waste of time and defeats the pure purpose of the stuff i do.

6.) Im off to eat some curry, later curry munchers.

Oh by the way, hey, controversy sells, look what happened. :hehe:

[Nazkyn]

This one (http://forum.oddthought.com/showpost.php?p=184906&postcount=39), mate.

[Tca]

Well, then i take that part back.

[Kloaked Spirit]

Right fucknuts, lets clear up a few things here shall we?

1.) Edited Out

2.) Aren't we taught to just treat everyone as people and not colours? You all are being a bunch of racist cunts by treating them different, why not see them as people and realise they're just as prone to sledging as anyone else? I have a disabled friend who i pay out and he loves me, purely because i treat him like a normal kid.

3.) KS, your full of shit, i got one infraction prior to being banned and that one was for a PURE joke towards Vinay.

4.) Im not going to apoligise in the slightest, cause i meant everything i said.

5.) As for the pit of despair, im not going to just go down there and do my shit, its a waste of time and defeats the pure purpose of the stuff i do.

6.) Im off to eat some curry, later curry munchers.

Oh by the way, hey, controversy sells, look what happened. :hehe:

Out of everything you said here, about the only thing worth discussing was point #2. But by doing so I must disclose that I'm racist against people from other planets. It's about the only race I haven't had to give an infraction for in terms of slurs yet.

On point #3, I find it hilarious that you're bitching because you got one infraction prior to the ban when the infraction itself was for an offense that is usually an instaban. You found it to be a joke, and the very people you were joking at were the people that reported it (along with others.) So we actually were lenient and took everything into consideration (which is what you wanted us to do all along) and you still want to bring it up as some sort of major point against the staff's actions? Wow. That's pure brilliance.

I'm pretty sure point #4 cannot have anything to deal with me or this thread. If anything I think it needed to be reserved for those that were somehow offended by the material, so no response there.

Points #5 and #6 are great. They deal with the very nature of why threads like these exist, and why staff have to react the way we do.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

kill em alll , castrate the bastards, tar and feather them, have em drawn and quartered

[Calienta]

2.) Aren't we taught to just treat everyone as people and not colours? You all are being a bunch of racist cunts by treating them different, why not see them as people and realise they're just as prone to sledging as anyone else? I have a disabled friend who i pay out and he loves me, purely because i treat him like a normal kid.

Well, yes, we're supposed to treat everybody as if they're all the same, regardless of colour, ability, etc. The problem is that we're NOT all the same, and you have to be aware of what could be offensive to somebody. If you go around making fun of people for, say, having really shitty jeans (lol), then there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to make fun of the guy in a wheelchair for HIS shitty jeans, and the muslim guy for HIS shitty jeans, and the white jewish guy for HIS shitty jeans. But when you start making fun of people using a stereotype for things that are SPECIFIC to them and their culture/race/disability, it's not a personal insult anymore as much as an insult to an entire group of people. Any of whom have the right to be offended.

[Tca]

Well, yes, we're supposed to treat everybody as if they're all the same, regardless of colour, ability, etc. The problem is that we're NOT all the same, and you have to be aware of what could be offensive to somebody. If you go around making fun of people for, say, having really shitty jeans (lol), then there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to make fun of the guy in a wheelchair for HIS shitty jeans, and the muslim guy for HIS shitty jeans, and the white jewish guy for HIS shitty jeans. But when you start making fun of people using a stereotype for things that are SPECIFIC to them and their culture/race/disability, it's not a personal insult anymore as much as an insult to an entire group of people. Any of whom have the right to be offended.

Edited - oh who cares