Kicked Out

[Sir Mankalot]

I was just kicked out of my house. My dad threw me against the wall complaining about me arguing with him, when I was only clearly stating my side of the story. He then proceeded to tell me to get the fuck out of his house. This angered me so I slammed the door as I walked away. He said to go and don't be back before 5. His goal is to kick me out of the house until I find a job. Now, don't think I havn't been trying. I live in the Pheonix/Metro Valley in Arizona. There are 120 other people looking for the same job as me, plus at least 20 illegal Mexicans. It is practically impossible for someone like me, with no job history, to obtain one.

Just thought I'd share a little bit of my life story with you guys.:@

[Juicy Fruit]

Im not kicked out yet but in a similar situation, however i live in mighigan which is experiacing the biggest global drought in the country.

[the squid of despair]

I was just kicked out of my house. My dad threw me against the wall complaining about me arguing with him, when I was only clearly stating my side of the story. He then proceeded to tell me to get the fuck out of his house. This angered me so I slammed the door as I walked away. He said to go and don't be back before 5. His goal is to kick me out of the house until I find a job. Now, don't think I havn't been trying. I live in the Pheonix/Metro Valley in Arizona. There are 120 other people looking for the same job as me, plus at least 20 illegal Mexicans. It is practically impossible for someone like me, with no job history, to obtain one.

Just thought I'd share a little bit of my life story with you guys.:@

He can't legally kick you out, just go back home. As far as a job, I don't know why people say it's impossible to get one. Just go bag groceries or sell hamburgers.

[Dymond]

He can't legally kick you out, just go back home. As far as a job, I don't know why people say it's impossible to get one. Just go bag groceries or sell hamburgers.

I think it depends how old Munkylord is.. we are assuming he's under 18. If he's not and living with pops and not working well...

Well his profile says 16 and in that case.. he can't kick you out..

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

ify our under 18 call the cops on the fuck if your over 18 get a job.. ohh also dont state your side.. even so parents arent always right they are in charge, just say yes sir and suck it up and be quiet..

[the squid of despair]

I think it depends how old Munkylord is.. we are assuming he's under 18. If he's not and living with pops and not working well...

Well his profile says 16 and in that case.. he can't kick you out..

Even if he's over 18, he can't just kick him out. You still need to go through an eviction process (Legal systems)

[morecoke4u]

If he is under 18 they can't kick him out in Arizona. Hell, in Arizona he can't even move out on his own until he's 18 unless he goes through emancipation proceedings. I would go back home and if he doesn't let you back in contact the authorities. Peace Out http://www.lawforkids.org/speakup/view_question.cfm?id=22341&topic=family

[Asshole]

why are people giving him advice on being kicked out, im betting your being way too picky about a job.

[holy shit]

I was just kicked out of my house. My dad threw me against the wall complaining about me arguing with him, when I was only clearly stating my side of the story. He then proceeded to tell me to get the fuck out of his house. This angered me so I slammed the door as I walked away. He said to go and don't be back before 5. His goal is to kick me out of the house until I find a job. Now, don't think I havn't been trying. I live in the Pheonix/Metro Valley in Arizona. There are 120 other people looking for the same job as me, plus at least 20 illegal Mexicans. It is practically impossible for someone like me, with no job history, to obtain one.

Just thought I'd share a little bit of my life story with you guys.:@



from what i bolded i understand his father is making him leave each day until 5 pm.... kinda giving him the tough love deal.... actually kinda sounds to me like he is a dad that cares for his son..... munky do you go to school? when i was younger it was school or work no other choices .. when i dropped out of highschool my ma made sure i was up at 7 am every weekday until i found myself a job... and today i appreciate the things she did to me then!

basically munky my advice to you is to suck it up princess and get urself back in school or working!!!!!!

[Mikey:)]

There are 120 other people looking for the same job as me, plus at least 20 illegal Mexicans. It is practically impossible for someone like me, with no job history, to obtain one.

It sounds like you've given up before even trying.... I wonder how many of the other 120 people have the same attitude? Stay positive and keep trying, ask around your friends parents and family to see if they can hook you up with something... keep asking so they always have you in mind should an opportunity arise. Take any job and work hard at it even if it sucks, this may not be pleasant but it will show future employers that you are reliable and hard working and thats what they are looking for. At the end of the day you have to start somewhere at sometime and even if your work life sucks at least your home life will improve with your old man off your back.

[Sir Mankalot]

If he is under 18 they can't kick him out in Arizona. Hell, in Arizona he can't even move out on his own until he's 18 unless he goes through emancipation proceedings. I would go back home and if he doesn't let you back in contact the authorities. Peace Out http://www.lawforkids.org/speakup/view_question.cfm?id=22341&topic=family

Ya. In the state of Arizona you can't sign a lease on an apartment unless you are 18 or older. And thanks, all of you. I am a junior and still attending high school. I am not picky at all about what kind of job I get. I don't really care where I work as long as it's something to do that will be a source of income. I am back at home but I'm not sure how long. My friends mom is trying to help me get a job at Albertson's.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

why are people giving him advice on being kicked out, im betting your being way too picky about a job.

Quoted for truth. Fast food is always hiring...... you got a wal-mart in your town? They'll hire anyone. Unless you have a record, are disabled, or are not legal to work in your state, there is no excuse for not finding employment.

[Calienta]

Quoted for truth. Fast food is always hiring...... you got a wal-mart in your town? They'll hire anyone. Unless you have a record, are disabled, or are not legal to work in your state, there is no excuse for not finding employment.


She's right. There are plenty of jobs out there, you just gotta suck up your pride and go get 'em. While you're trying to get a job at Albertson's, you should be trying at every fast food place you can get to, every department store, every bloody place that hires ANYBODY. You'll find something.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

either of you live in phoenix.. there is not alot of jobs there and they have high unemployment and tons of illegals there... not so easy to you silver spoon fed people living in good cities

[Spork!!!]

Is continuing or returning to school an option? At 16 the employment opportunities where I live are limited. I worked after finishing high school and was earning almost as much as my father within a few years (that was before you were born ML, lol) but then after 3 years Uni I was earning double...
If further education really isn't an option where you are now I'd suggest taking ANY (legal) job you can get and saving enough $ to get your arse out of there ASAP!
I have a (just turned ) 16 YO (step)son living here who gives me backchat non-stop, but I'd no sooner deny him a loving home and opportunities than I'd cut my own left nut off. Keep your chin up, life only gets harder as you get older. ;p

[vixen]

Can somebody answer me this: How does and "illegal" get a job at a place like McDonald's, Wal-mart or a supermarket? I do all the hiring for my office and in addition to a comprehensive background check I also have to have them fill out an I-9. This is a government document that all states use that you have to provide; your Social Security number and then one of the following: drivers license, state issued ID, passport or social security card. If an employee cannot provide any of those or a combination of all they are not legal to work in the US and we do not hire them....So how does munky compete with illegals for a job? Usually they are gardeners, construction workers, babysitters, house keepers etc - jobs you can do with no proof of residency......its easy to get medicaid and welfare if you are illegal but not a job.

So explain it to me...

[HellRaiser]

I must say it is always amusing to hear people say take any monkey job you can get, etc...
Meanwhile the same people are way older, in a whole different social class making
what 3X, 4X, 5X the wages, if not considerably more per hour doing ANYTHING BUT THAT. Lmao.

Always easy to say then do when those speaking it ain't living it and YOUR life is what 10X better? lol

Listen Munky, make a list of things that interest you that you would enjoy or at the least don't mind doing that interests you.
The last thing you want is a job or to go to work everyday being pissed off or being shit on or going postal.

[Calienta]

I must say it is always amusing to hear people say take any monkey job you can get, etc...
Meanwhile the same people are way older, in a whole different social class making
what 3X, 4X, 5X the wages, if not considerably more per hour doing ANYTHING BUT THAT. Lmao.

Always easy to say then do when those speaking it ain't living it and YOUR life is what 10X better? lol


I'm only just turned 22, so that argument doesn't wash with me. I was 14, working at McDonald's, not because I wanted to but because my parents made me. I did the 'monkey jobs' because I had to.

If his father is threatening to kick him out because he won't work, then what choice does he have? Better to get a shitty job than to be kicked out and destitute and struggling.

Plus, it's a means to an end, it's not like the rest of his life is gonna be this job he picks right now. It'll be getting him either money for school, or experience for a better job. What you do in your teens is not usually what you do for the rest of your life.

[the squid of despair]

I must say it is always amusing to hear people say take any monkey job you can get, etc...
Meanwhile the same people are way older, in a whole different social class making
what 3X, 4X, 5X the wages, if not considerably more per hour doing ANYTHING BUT THAT. Lmao.

Always easy to say then do when those speaking it ain't living it and YOUR life is what 10X better? lol

Listen Munky, make a list of things that interest you that you would enjoy or at the least don't mind doing that interests you.
The last thing you want is a job or to go to work everyday being pissed off or being shit on or going postal.

Sorry bro, but most of us started at the bottom. I took any job I could get when i was a kid. Started as a bus boy, then went to bagging groceries, then moved up to the meat department. You gotta work your way up.

[vixen]

I must say it is always amusing to hear people say take any monkey job you can get, etc...
Meanwhile the same people are way older, in a whole different social class making
what 3X, 4X, 5X the wages, if not considerably more per hour doing ANYTHING BUT THAT. Lmao.

Always easy to say then do when those speaking it ain't living it and YOUR life is what 10X better? lol

Listen Munky, make a list of things that interest you that you would enjoy or at the least don't mind doing that interests you.
The last thing you want is a job or to go to work everyday being pissed off or being shit on or going postal.

Unless his last name is Trump or Hilton he has to start at the bottom like the rest of us. I started as a cashier at the local supermarket. Think that was my ideal job? I currently work at a job I hate but it pays the bills. You work because you have to 99% of the time, not beause you want to....

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Squid and Vixen are right.....

Hellraiser assumes that we all somehow started "at the top"....but I spent my early days doing shite jobs like scooping ice cream and delivering flowers.

There are minimum wage jobs to be found EVERYWHERE, and like Vixen said, illegals aren't working at McDonald's and Pizza Hut.

[Calienta]

Squid and Vixen are right.....


Alas, overlooked ..

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Alas, overlooked ..

:hidey: AND Calienta too.......

[Dymond]

I must say it is always amusing to hear people say take any monkey job you can get, etc...
Meanwhile the same people are way older, in a whole different social class making
what 3X, 4X, 5X the wages, if not considerably more per hour doing ANYTHING BUT THAT. Lmao.

Always easy to say then do when those speaking it ain't living it and YOUR life is what 10X better? lol

Listen Munky, make a list of things that interest you that you would enjoy or at the least don't mind doing that interests you.
The last thing you want is a job or to go to work everyday being pissed off or being shit on or going postal.

WOW HR.. even I was offended by that Stereotype.. I was dirt poor living in a barrio with a single parent. I don't think it got much lower on the social class. My mom wouldn't let me work while I was in school because she knew my grades were important but I worked every summer, from working at a public pool to picking boysenberries with the farm workers. When I graduated from high school I got a job as the CEO of a fortune 500 company and never looked back.. Yeah right.. I worked at fucking Woolworths for minimum wage while I went to college. How did I get in college? Well you remember those grades my mom was worried about right?

Whats funny is you tell munky to make a list of jobs you enjoy.. maybe video game playing or fucking off.. LOL he is 16 with no education.. I think he should focus on getting a job! If he wants to do something he enjoys.. Stay in School and get an education.

[hoos]

Man getting a job doing shit is great. Especially if you can find fun ones. I had a job when I was 14 selling Cotton Candy at our AAA baseball teams field. Then at some minor-league hockey games. It was great.

But munky, if you want a good job, find a food place that's not fast food, but not a restaurant. I know that sounds impossible, but I worked at a deli, where if anything was made wrong, and noticed, it was eaten later that night. And it was good food too.

Or if you like being outside, I know there is a golf course around you, and come another month or two, they'll be needing some summer help to take care of the place. It might be an 18+ job, but it'll depend on what they need. Where ever you go, it doesn't hurt to ask.

[Calienta]

Good advice, Scottie. And honestly, Munky: apply EVERYWHERE. Even if you don't think you can get the job. Because you never know what can happen. And it certainly doesn't hurt, does it? I mean, I got turned down for a job as a cashier at a pet store .. and the next week got a job as a Medical Secretary, and all I had as experience was McDonald's and Disney store LOL. Not saying you should try to be a secretary (unless you've got mad typing skills), just saying ... Things have been known to happen.

[vixen]

I think the best idea would be to STAY IN SCHOOL - get a part time job after work bagging groceries and go on to college....

[the squid of despair]

I loved bagging groceries and actually enjoyed cutting up fish even more in the seafood dept.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

I loved bagging groceries and actually enjoyed cutting up fish even more in the seafood dept.

Don't lie.

You just like playing with knives.
:P

[Uganja]

I think its important to point out that working in these "dead end" jobs, such as McDonalds (I've done my time there too) teaches you the fundamentals of job responsibility. OK so its not glamorous, and by no means well paid, but its still challenging in its own way: You're forced to work with new people, build a relationship with them, learn how important timekeeping is, how customers are arseholes, learn how to get on the good side of your boss so you can get away with murder (or was that just me).
These are actually really positive things for you to help build character, confidence in yourself and construct an understanding of what the big wide world is like.

Despite what HR suggested, i'm sure the majority of people work their way up the career ladder, rather than being born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and in many ways, these are the type of people who understand what a sense of achievement and sucess feels like, and that, from a personal point of view anyway, is one of the most rewarding things life can offer.

[Tca]

Are there no labouring jobs going in America? shit to do with fruit, laying bricks etc?

Over here, you don't need little to any qualifications for labouring jobs, that and they don't pay too shabby ;)

[hoos]

Are there no labouring jobs going in America? shit to do with fruit, laying bricks etc?

Over here, you don't need little to any qualifications for labouring jobs, that and they don't pay too shabby ;)

A lot of times, to have a job with dangerous surroundings, i.e. heavy equipment, high risk for job injury, etc., you have to be 18 to get that job. Munky would not qualify there.

[vixen]

Can somebody answer me this: How does and "illegal" get a job at a place like McDonald's, Wal-mart or a supermarket? I do all the hiring for my office and in addition to a comprehensive background check I also have to have them fill out an I-9. This is a government document that all states use that you have to provide; your Social Security number and then one of the following: drivers license, state issued ID, passport or social security card. If an employee cannot provide any of those or a combination of all they are not legal to work in the US and we do not hire them....So how does munky compete with illegals for a job? Usually they are gardeners, construction workers, babysitters, house keepers etc - jobs you can do with no proof of residency......its easy to get medicaid and welfare if you are illegal but not a job.

So explain it to me...

I am still trying to find out how illegals get "real" jobs.....

[hoos]

Forged documents, sloppy managers, getting paid under the table. I'm sure there are many ways this happens and we don't know. I'm wouldn't be surprised to see someone taking advantage of not having to pay someone minimum wage just to look a little better.

[Calienta]

I'm sure pizza delivery drivers, etc could be illegal. My brother delivers pizza and is paid cash and he doesn't bother to mention it on his tax returns... lol.

Anyway, it's entirely possible for those types of jobs.

[vixen]

Forged documents, sloppy managers, getting paid under the table. I'm sure there are many ways this happens and we don't know. I'm wouldn't be surprised to see someone taking advantage of not having to pay someone minimum wage just to look a little better.

Not so sure of that hoos. The fines from the federal government for using such practices are so huge, its not worth the risk.

[HellRaiser]

Your all missing the point...

Just because most of you done shit jobs when you were younger (and most likely hated it) doesn't mean he has to lol.

It's kinda like the selfish thought of... "since our jobs sucked and we had to pay our dues we got to make sure everyone else does too, so they can feel our pain and misery to be equal." God forbid someone actually does a job they like or enjoy, not fair lol... One doesn't need to do bottom feeder jobs to learn a work environment or respect, honor, value or worth or any other warped ideal of paying ones dues perse.

One only needs to understand what their traits and skills are that exemplify what would be best to do so he or she can at the least "enjoy the job."

If all or most of ya are coming home daily pissed off, I feel sorry for ya's but don't drag him down with ya lol.

[Uganja]

do you actually READ other peoples posts? or just make your point regardless, thinking you're the only independent thinker at oddthought?

[Calienta]

HR ...

I will break it down because you're obviously missing the point :P

We are not saying he HAS to get a shitty job.

What his situation tells us is that his father says: GET A JOB.
So he is looking for a job. So far, he hasn't found anything he likes. Therefore, the only other option is to find one he DOESN'T like.


What is so hard to understand about that?

There's no rule against looking for a better job while he works at his shitty one.

[the squid of despair]

Not so sure of that hoos. The fines from the federal government for using such practices are so huge, its not worth the risk.

Vixen, that's how they do it, forged documents, etc.

Here's an article showing how little the goverment does, but you're throwing this thread off track. Please stick to the topic.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800613.html

[vixen]

Your all missing the point...

Just because most of you done shit jobs when you were younger (and most likely hated it) doesn't mean he has to lol.

It's kinda like the selfish thought of... "since our jobs sucked and we had to pay our dues we got to make sure everyone else does too, so they can feel our pain and misery to be equal." God forbid someone actually does a job they like or enjoy, not fair lol... One doesn't need to do bottom feeder jobs to learn a work environment or respect, honor, value or worth or any other warped ideal of paying ones dues perse.

One only needs to understand what their traits and skills are that exemplify what would be best to do so he or she can at the least "enjoy the job."

If all or most of ya are coming home daily pissed off, I feel sorry for ya's but don't drag him down with ya lol.


HR you are kidding right? He is 16, do you think he is going to get a job as the CEO of Microsoft?

Seriously dude, he has to get a job - he is 16 - his options are limited - he has to suck it up and do what he has to do.

What is so hard to understand?

You are giving him advice like he is the prince of a small country and he can go and play playstation

Deal in the hear and now!

[Dymond]

HR you are kidding right? He is 16, do you think he is going to get a job as the CEO of Microsoft?

Seriously dude, he has to get a job - he is 16 - his options are limited - he has to suck it up and do what he has to do.

What is so hard to understand?

You are giving him advice like he is the prince of a small country and he can go and play playstation

Deal in the hear and now!

LOL seriously HR He is 16 and his options aren't plentiful. But just because we all made sacrifices when we were young doesn't mean we hate our jobs now.. I'm not sure where you made that jump in logic. I love my job and I love the company I work for.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

Squid and Vixen are right.....

Hellraiser assumes that we all somehow started "at the top"....but I spent my early days doing shite jobs like scooping ice cream and delivering flowers.

There are minimum wage jobs to be found EVERYWHERE, and like Vixen said, illegals aren't working at McDonald's and Pizza Hut.

yah but a ton of the illegals have fake doccumentation also .. and trust me tey get them jobs. i live in illnois andthey just caught bout 20 illegals working at these establishments with fake doccumentation

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

Not so sure of that hoos. The fines from the federal government for using such practices are so huge, its not worth the risk.

trust me vix thee is tons of companys that knowingly do it cause even if there caught the money saved from hiring these peoples outweighs the fines.

[Dymond]

yah but a ton of the illegals have fake doccumentation also .. and trust me tey get them jobs. i live in illnois andthey just caught bout 20 illegals working at these establishments with fake doccumentation

I worked at the IRS for a year and you would be amazed how many times a SSN would end up being for some old guy in Oregon who's last name was nowhere near the name on the return. I think alot of the illegals are sold a bill of goods by these so called handlers that get them this info.. I think they make them think they are legal, I mean otherwise why file a return to get a refund if you KNOW the SSN isn't yours. But I agree with Squid.. this is getting off topic..

[vixen]

I worked at the IRS for a year and you would be amazed how many times a SSN would end up being for some old guy in Oregon who's last name was nowhere near the name on the return. I think alot of the illegals are sold a bill of goods by these so called handlers that get them this info.. I think they make them think they are legal, I mean otherwise why file a return to get a refund if you KNOW the SSN isn't yours. But I agree with Squid.. this is getting off topic..

Not really as this was something that was brought up initially as part of munky's argument of why he can't get a job.

[Dymond]

Not really as this was something that was brought up initially as part of munky's argument of why he can't get a job.


I agree but I would bet Immigration Policy could fill a thread on its own...

[Asshole]

Hellraisers posts are pissing me off..

as soon as i turned 16 i got a job at Woolworth's on a till at £4.50 an hour, did that part time for just over 2 years, then as a result of that experience, i got a job at the local supermarket, at £5.50 an hour worked there for a year and a half, i went for a job in a bookmakers after this, for a £6.00 an hour job, as a result of my previous work experience, i instantly got the job, was offered it in the interview..

I still work in the bookmaking industry i like it, i worked that first job for just over a year, until last week i started my new job as a deputy manager, I'm only 21 i earn a respectable £16,000 a year just over $32,000,

I went on to college for two years, finished part of one course but didnt get accepted to the second year, started another course the second year, with results from my first, and decided not to finish it, as a result i really have no "higher education" i fucked around too much at college,

The money i earn now while not a huge amount, is a result of the "shit jobs" i did, yet i found them fun, its all about your co-workers and the customers.. and there's still a lot of promotion ladder to go, and i have been told i have a real talent for the industry, if i continue to advance at my current rate i will be earning serious money in 5/6 years..

don't listen to HR with his bullshit.. it seems the only privileged person in this thread is him, the only person saying don't take any job... it all counts on your future Cv

[Spork!!!]

ML still hasn't said if further education is an option or not..,.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

I agree but I would bet Immigration Policy could fill a thread on its own...


I agree too with Vix. Part of ML's initial post was that there were too many illegals competing for jobs.

Anyhow, 99.9% of this thread seems to agree that working menial jobs is benifcial to character development and aspirations. Personally, I believe that education should come first, but if that is not an option, there are ALWAYS jobs to be had. Looking for a job you enjoy is a luxury only afforded to those who put in the initial hard work or schooling, otherwise how the hell do you think ANYONE would choose a job flipping burgers or picking fruit?!? Out of financial necessity.

Does anyone else find HR's use of "ya" perpetually annoying??? :glare:

[the squid of despair]

Does anyone else find HR's use of "ya" perpetually annoying??? :glare:

Not as annoying as KAF's use of "yer"

[Colonel Sanders]

I think "yer" in type sounds better and somewhat sounds and substitutes the subtle, agreeing, tone in some words. Tis why I use it.

But yeah I could imagine it being hard to find jobs in some place where there are thousands of illegals running around. The city I live in has it's share amount of illegals but they pretty much stick to the 4! Mexican restaurants we have. *sigh* but of course the number isn't near as high in the first place.

I had to look for almost 2 months to get a job because I have a bad back but finally I found a place that wouldn't stress me to the point I'd feel like collapsing due to the back (which is hard to find considering most jobs starting out include some form of manual labour). It's pretty fucking boring and trivial but someone has to do it, and for me it is only a way of raising money so I have enough to go to Chicago and New York this August and party "comfortably" with my friends.

[vixen]

I think "yer" in type sounds better and somewhat sounds and substitutes the subtle, agreeing, tone in some words. Tis why I use it.

But yeah I could imagine it being hard to find jobs in some place where there are thousands of illegals running around. The city I live in has it's share amount of illegals but they pretty much stick to the 4! Mexican restaurants we have. *sigh* but of course the number isn't near as high in the first place.

I had to look for almost 2 months to get a job because I have a bad back but finally I found a place that wouldn't stress me to the point I'd feel like collapsing due to the back (which is hard to find considering most jobs starting out include some form of manual labour). It's pretty fucking boring and trivial but someone has to do it, and for me it is only a way of raising money so I have enough to go to Chicago and New York this August and party "comfortably" with my friends.

Another case of the American Dream......

[Sir Mankalot]

either of you live in phoenix.. there is not alot of jobs there and they have high unemployment and tons of illegals there... not so easy to you silver spoon fed people living in good cities

Thank you!!!

It took my dad 3 weeks to get a job when we moved here and he has never been fired and worked at the same place for the last 10 years and wasn't fired but the company went under. It took my step-mom a month and a half and she worked at the same place as my dad but for 17 years.

I have no work experience. It's practically impossiple to get a job here. I have applied at McDonald's twice, Burger King once, Taco Bell twice, Wal-Mart 4 times, and KFC once. I think I have been trying. I also applied at Fry's Groceries 3 times and Safeway once. Oh! and also Denny's twice. I think I have been trying. That was all since my 16th birthday on September 3.

I have always been in school. I never dropped out. I am thinking about it when I become a senior. School is not that big a thing for me. I do have a lot of friends, but I don't like it because I get bored so freaking much. If I did drop out it would have to be after I turned 17 because then I could take the GED. I had a friend who took it and says if I could, I could pass it right now.

Thank you all for your advice. :)

[Sir Mankalot]

What I wanted to edit in there was that it is easier to get a job slinging drugs than to get a legit job. I have 1 good friend who is doing it, but I know a lot of people who do it. Hence the unemployment.

[Dymond]

I had no idea that Phoenix was the heart of the illegal immigration problem. Here I thought that living in the largest agriculturally diverse valley in the world would be attracting all those migrant farm workers but I guess not.

[hoos]

I had no idea that Phoenix was the heart of the illegal immigration problem. Here I thought that living in the largest agriculturally diverse valley in the world would be attracting all those migrant farm workers but I guess not.

lol that's too far for them to get to in one go.

But damn munky that's a lot. Do you have somewhere a friend works that you could get your foot in the door? A lot of times, knowing someone where you are applying helps tremendously to getting a job. See what you can work out with people about that.

[Sir Mankalot]

I had no idea that Phoenix was the heart of the illegal immigration problem. Here I thought that living in the largest agriculturally diverse valley in the world would be attracting all those migrant farm workers but I guess not.

where do you live? lol I grew up in northern California...near wine country.

Yes, i have been trying to get friends to help. Then again, most of my close friends don't have jobs...I kinda hang out with a lazy crowd.:hehe:

[Dymond]

where do you live? lol I grew up in northern California...near wine country.

Yes, i have been trying to get friends to help. Then again, most of my close friends don't have jobs...I kinda hang out with a lazy crowd.:hehe:

I live in Utah.. I was born and raised in Central California.. Fresno to be exact.

[HellRaiser]

Geez, without my post retorts, ( as usual) this topic remains within a page reply lmao. :hehe:

HR ... I will break it down because you're obviously missing the point :P We are not saying he HAS to get a shitty job. What his situation tells us is that his father says: GET A JOB.

Ya I understand that, but he is 16 and he really doesn't have to.
He should be focused on schooling and getting a better education.
Even with that said, he has tried multiple times at multiple places and rejected.
His father is not being reasonable about it. It's not right.

There's no rule against looking for a better job while he works at his shitty one.

Most would agree you are right, but I don't personally believe this is an area of compromise, my opinion.


LOL seriously HR He is 16 and his options aren't plentiful. But just because we all made sacrifices when we were young doesn't mean we hate our jobs now.. I'm not sure where you made that jump in logic. I love my job and I love the company I work for.

As I stated above DY, his best option at his age is schooling and getting that better education.
There shouldn't even be pressure of a job at this point, nevermind utilising it as a threat.

do you actually READ other peoples posts? or just make your point regardless, thinking you're the only independent thinker at oddthought?

Yes of course I read everyones post, how else could I respond to them idiot. :hehe:
In regards to being the only independant thinker? Often times I think so lol.
Going by most peoples answers on various subjects as "carbon copies" of either being politically correct or sheep mentality. Idk. :grin:


HR you are kidding right? He is 16, do you think he is going to get a job as the CEO of Microsoft?

Your just being sarcastically silly.


Seriously dude, he has to get a job - he is 16 - his options are limited - he has to suck it up and do what he has to do.

As I said above, no he doesn't and shouldn't have to, even though he did take the initative anyway.

You are giving him advice like he is the prince of a small country and he can go and play playstation. Deal in the hear and now!

No, I was just telling him, to make sure what he does do he will
at least enjoy getting up everyday to go to, nothing more, nothing less.
It's all of you telling him to take anything and suck it up.

He has stated he has tried everywhere regardless multiple times and still nothing, what does that tell you?


Anyhow, 99.9% of this thread seems to agree that working menial jobs is benifcial to character development and aspirations.

That is because 99.9% are idiots lol. Sorry call them as I see them.
You can earn all the same benefits and developement doing ANY JOB.
It doesn't have to suck or have you get shit on or make you feel like a peon. :P


Looking for a job you enjoy is a luxury only afforded to those who put in the initial hard work or schooling, otherwise how the hell do you think ANYONE would choose a job flipping burgers or picking fruit?!? Out of financial necessity.

They pick them because they obviously LACK any value or merit to do anything else.

OR

That is why 99% of those people holding those jobs is called "only know key phrases in english or no speak the english jobs" lol.

But yes I agree 100% schooling is the answer here.


Does anyone else find HR's use of "ya" perpetually annoying??? :glare:

Why you don't like "Ya"? lol.


Hellraisers posts are pissing me off..

Good, when the typical asshole is offended I succeeded and hit a nerve.
Quite apparent by your response, so lets continue shall we? :grin:


as soon as i turned 16 i got a job at Woolworth's on a till at £4.50 an hour, did that part time for just over 2 years, then as a result of that experience, i got a job at the local supermarket, at £5.50 an hour worked there for a year and a half, i went for a job in a bookmakers after this, for a £6.00 an hour job, as a result of my previous work experience, i instantly got the job, was offered it in the interview.. I still work in the bookmaking industry i like it, i worked that first job for just over a year, until last week i started my new job as a deputy manager, I'm only 21 i earn a respectable £16,000 a year just over $32,000.

Ok, so what we have here is, 5 years working shitty jobs and your ONLY at what YOU consider is respectable? wow. :P

I went on to college for two years, finished part of one course but didnt get accepted to the second year.

Geez, I wonder why? A problem with passing or lack of intelligence? :hidey:

started another course the second year, with results from my first, and decided not to finish it.

Too much for ya to handle eh? :grin:


as a result i really have no "higher education" i fucked around too much at college.

That was quite apparent, but think it all paid off, look where you are now eh? :hehe:

The money i earn now while not a huge amount, is a result of the "shit jobs" i did.

Couldn't of said it better myself. :hehe: ML you listening now yes?

if i continue to advance at my current rate i will be earning serious money in 5/6 years..

Wow, so after 10 years working at the ripe age of then will be mmmmm 27? You will be earning serious money.
By all means, what does serious money in your words defined by you?
What does that amount attain you in overall living standards? :grin:


don't listen to HR with his bullshit.. it seems the only privileged person in this thread is him, the only person saying don't take any job... it all counts on your future.

Hardly priveleged Asshole, I just always was confident, used the system by making wise choices and didn't SELL MYSELF SHORT. Call me whacked, IDK...

Now (in the ideal of Pirate Monkey) here is the 99.9% of the forum census
Ya, don't listen to me, go work shitty jobs for shit pay and oddily enough being shit on daily
then that pride and respect will shine through and oh wait, you will learn valuable character and devoplement lmao.

[Calienta]

Now (in the ideal of Pirate Monkey) here is the 99.9% of the forum census
Ya, don't listen to me, go work shitty jobs for shit pay and oddily enough being shit on daily
then that pride and respect will shine through and oh wait, you will learn valuable character and devoplement lmao.


May I just say that they pay shit because it takes no skill and no schooling to be hired there. Why should they pay well when any old joe could get it? Sure it's crappy but there are enough people desperate for jobs to take the shit and all, at low pay. And they know it. And I understand that while you may think it's not right for his father to force him to get a job while he's in school, the fact remains that his father is doing just that.

Are you telling him to get kicked out instead? Where is the logic in that?

He has since posted that he has applied numerous times, and I understand he is trying very hard.

You might think you're an independent thinker, and indeed you are... But independent thinking is not always correct. Many times there is a reason for popular consensus. Why should you be right and we be wrong? I'm sincerely curious, why do you see multiple posts from people whose intelligence has been shown in past threads .. And assume they're all wrong and you're right, case closed?

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

he cant legally be kicked out

[Calienta]

he cant legally be kicked out

Maybe not kicked out then but your parents can certainly make life very rough for you if they choose.

[vixen]

Geez, without my post retorts, ( as usual) this topic remains within a page reply lmao. :hehe:



Ya I understand that, but he is 16 and he really doesn't have to.
He should be focused on schooling and getting a better education.
Even with that said, he has tried multiple times at multiple places and rejected.
His father is not being reasonable about it. It's not right.



Most would agree you are right, but I don't personally believe this is an area of compromise, my opinion.




As I stated above DY, his best option at his age is schooling and getting that better education.
There shouldn't even be pressure of a job at this point, nevermind utilising it as a threat.



Yes of course I read everyones post, how else could I respond to them idiot. :hehe:
In regards to being the only independant thinker? Often times I think so lol.
Going by most peoples answers on various subjects as "carbon copies" of either being politically correct or sheep mentality. Idk. :grin:




Your just being sarcastically silly.




As I said above, no he doesn't and shouldn't have to, even though he did take the initative anyway.



No, I was just telling him, to make sure what he does do he will
at least enjoy getting up everyday to go to, nothing more, nothing less.
It's all of you telling him to take anything and suck it up.

He has stated he has tried everywhere regardless multiple times and still nothing, what does that tell you?




That is because 99.9% are idiots lol. Sorry call them as I see them.
You can earn all the same benefits and developement doing ANY JOB.
It doesn't have to suck or have you get shit on or make you feel like a peon. :P




They pick them because they obviously LACK any value or merit to do anything else.

OR

That is why 99% of those people holding those jobs is called "only know key phrases in english or no speak the english jobs" lol.

But yes I agree 100% schooling is the answer here.




Why you don't like "Ya"? lol.




Good, when the typical asshole is offended I succeeded and hit a nerve.
Quite apparent by your response, so lets continue shall we? :grin:




Ok, so what we have here is, 5 years working shitty jobs and your ONLY at what YOU consider is respectable? wow. :P



Geez, I wonder why? A problem with passing or lack of intelligence? :hidey:



Too much for ya to handle eh? :grin:




That was quite apparent, but think it all paid off, look where you are now eh? :hehe:



Couldn't of said it better myself. :hehe: ML you listening now yes?



Wow, so after 10 years working at the ripe age of then will be mmmmm 27? You will be earning serious money.
By all means, what does serious money in your words defined by you?
What does that amount attain you in overall living standards? :grin:




Hardly priveleged Asshole, I just always was confident, used the system by making wise choices and didn't SELL MYSELF SHORT. Call me whacked, IDK...

Now (in the ideal of Pirate Monkey) here is the 99.9% of the forum census
Ya, don't listen to me, go work shitty jobs for shit pay and oddily enough being shit on daily
then that pride and respect will shine through and oh wait, you will learn valuable character and devoplement lmao.



You jut don't get it. If his dad says he HAS to get a job then he HAS to get a job. Cut and dry to me. He has applied several places and that is a great start - follow up and see how that goes.

How old are YOU, what was YOUR first job? How old were YOU when you first started to work, what as YOUR up-brining? Answer those and then we can discuss this further.

[Colonel Sanders]

If you ask me it is pretty "cut and dry" that a 16 year old should not be forced to get a job when he's still living under their parents roof in schooling. Unless there is some dire family financial crisis it is ludicrous to say to your 16 year old son "get a job or be on the streets" whether a real, or empty, threat or not.

If you can get a job, look and want one great...if you don't and/or can't then like I said a 16 year old shouldn't be being forced and manipulated to get a job when they are still in schooling.

[Dymond]

If you ask me it is pretty "cut and dry" that a 16 year old should not be forced to get a job when he's still living under their parents roof in schooling. Unless there is some dire family financial crisis it is ludicrous to say to your 16 year old son "get a job or be on the streets" whether a real, or empty, threat or not.

If you can get a job, look and want one great...if you don't and/or can't then like I said a 16 year old shouldn't be being forced and manipulated to get a job when they are still in schooling.

Honestly w/o knowing the whole story I do have to agree with KAF. A kid shouldn't have to be forced to get a job.

[Calienta]

Honestly w/o knowing the whole story I do have to agree with KAF. A kid shouldn't have to be forced to get a job.

I was 14 when my parents made me get a job. It was to teach me the value of hard-earned money and not to take things for granted, like living comfortably and being pampered. And my parents are FAR from 'mean' .. we are a really close family, they just have the firm belief that kids need to know what it's like to make their own money and have good work ethics for when it really matters.

That being said, whether it is 'fair' or not to force your kid to get a job, if that is the belief you have and you want to instill it in your son/daughter, then that's your prerogative and his father obviously feels that way.

So it doesn't really help matters by telling him it's unfair that his dad is making him go out and work. It doesn't really MATTER if it's unfair. That's life and you gotta play the hand you're dealt.

[Dymond]

Well we don't know the whole story either.. I did work but only during the summers.

[Calienta]

That's true we don't. I was basing my replies on this statement:

His goal is to kick me out of the house until I find a job.

[Asshole]

perfectly fair imo, i started working weekends as soon as i was 16 and it was those real life circumstances, that i was using my learning in, that made me push harder during my final year of school..

..but then it was that i enjoyed work so much i dropped out of college, two sides of a coin there..

[HellRaiser]

And I understand that while you may think it's not right for his father to force him to get a job while he's in school, the fact remains that his father is doing just that.

If it isn't right it isn't right, simple as that. Someone needs parenting 101.

Are you telling him to get kicked out instead? Where is the logic in that?

He can't kick him out legally, he would have social services at his door.

You might think you're an independent thinker, and indeed you are... But independent thinking is not always correct.

Well, it's not about that, it's about knowing who you truly are and what you're about, self enlightenment.

Many times there is a reason for popular consensus.

Yes, it's called sheep mentality, go along with the masses because SO MANY SAY SO is right.

Why should you be right and we be wrong? I'm sincerely curious, why do you see multiple posts from people whose intelligence has been shown in past threads .. And assume they're all wrong and you're right, case closed?

It's not about being right or wrong, it's about allowing or giving the individual the options and knowledge so he or she can choose what is best for themself. Intelligence is subjective anyway.


Maybe not kicked out then but your parents can certainly make life very rough for you if they choose.

You jut don't get it. If his dad says he HAS to get a job then he HAS to get a job. Cut and dry to me. He has applied several places and that is a great start - follow up and see how that goes.

I am responding to both your quotes here...

Yes Calienta, they can, but then that parent is not really a loving caring parent either.
They obviously do not have the best interest of the child in mind.
Their selfish and self centered pity is now transfered onto the child.
What else could explain such un-reasonable position on a 16 year old?
Quite possibly the parent reflection of treatment their parents had on them now transpired onto their kids is just WRONG.

How old are YOU, what was YOUR first job? How old were YOU when you first started to work, what as YOUR up-brining? Answer those and then we can discuss this further.

Ahhhhh, trying to pin down areas to target, nice, won't work lol.
I am just not like you all sharing your life stories and trajedy online...
I will play along without specifics lol.

I am in my 30's now, I was 16 when I first started to work but it was my choice to do so.
My job at that time, mmmmm one could call it picking up vig tallies.
Don't even ask me to further explain that online.
I will say, Very easy work, very good money, you were respected and in the process, valuable networking.
Ahhhhhhh, the good ol days...

My upbringing was very good, loving parents, never pushed or demanded or expected me to pursue any area I did not have interest in.
But don't take that as spoiled either, I earned everything I have.

So where do you want to go from here to build your case to tear a part? lol


If you ask me it is pretty "cut and dry" that a 16 year old should not be forced to get a job when he's still living under their parents roof in schooling. Unless there is some dire family financial crisis it is ludicrous to say to your 16 year old son "get a job or be on the streets" whether a real, or empty, threat or not. If you can get a job, look and want one great...if you don't and/or can't then like I said a 16 year old shouldn't be being forced and manipulated to get a job when they are still in schooling.

Finally, another who oddily enough everyone on this forum always has a problem with, MAKES SENSE. :grin:



I was 14 when my parents made me get a job. It was to teach me the value of hard-earned money and not to take things for granted, like living comfortably and being pampered. And my parents are FAR from 'mean' .. we are a really close family, they just have the firm belief that kids need to know what it's like to make their own money and have good work ethics for when it really matters.

Really?

So let me ask you some questions now...

If everything you said above is truly the formula of success and character development , work pride et al,
which required an adolescent to do way before THEIR TIME, one would think these type of
hard working people are a HUGE SUCCESS... So tell me Calienta, did all that pay off, losing your teenage years to working, are you a huge success now?

So you think because your parents pushed you and you had to do it, it's okay for other parents to do it and it's justified?
So you think Parents who push their kids at your age perse is somehow benefited?

Do you honestly think you have a better understanding and more adept because you learnt younger
the meaning of the "perverbial dollar" compared to anyone else perse who worked when they turned an adult?

So do you think hard earned money is more deserving then easy earned money Calienta?

Does the money you earn make you happy or do you wish for much more?

If you lost your job tommorow, how much would your life and living standards change? Would it be dramatic?

That being said, whether it is 'fair' or not to force your kid to get a job, if that is the belief you have and you want to instill it in your son/daughter, then that's your prerogative and his father obviously feels that way.

And this ( words like "forced and Instilled") is what defines a loving family indeed eh? :P

So it doesn't really help matters by telling him it's unfair that his dad is making him go out and work. It doesn't really MATTER if it's unfair. That's life and you gotta play the hand you're dealt.

Yes it does, because it is important for people to understand their dad or mom selling the life plan/formula doesn't mean it's right.
I digress, it does matter if it's unfair, maybe to you it doesn't though.
I digress again, it's not life, it's someone else version of life instilled onto you, BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Calienta]

If everything you said above is truly the formula of success and character development , work pride et al,
which required an adolescent to do way before THEIR TIME, one would think these type of
hard working people are a HUGE SUCCESS... So tell me Calienta, did all that pay off, losing your teenage years to working, are you a huge success now?

So you think because your parents pushed you and you had to do it, it's okay for other parents to do it and it's justified?
So you think Parents who push their kids at your age perse is somehow benefited?

Do you honestly think you have a better understanding and more adept because you learnt younger
the meaning of the "perverbial dollar" compared to anyone else perse who worked when they turned an adult?

So do you think hard earned money is more deserving then easy earned money Calienta?

Does the money you earn make you happy or do you wish for much more?

If you lost your job tommorow, how much would your life and living standards change? Would it be dramatic?

And this ( words like "forced and Instilled") is what defines a loving family indeed eh? :P

Yes it does, because it is important for people to understand their dad or mom selling the life plan/formula doesn't mean it's right.
I digress, it does matter if it's unfair, maybe to you it doesn't though.
I digress again, it's not life, it's someone else version of life instilled onto you, BIG DIFFERENCE.


Yes, I believe that my work ethics that I learned from working at a young age have helped me advance earlier than most of my friends. I am 22 years old, I have worked for the Canadian Parliament since I was 20. I make double the average national salary of Canadian women up to the age of 35, and 50% more than women aged 35-50. My brother is 20 and he was working since the age of 16, and currently he works for Elections Canada making the same salary as me. He also delivers pizza in the evenings because he likes that extra 500 a week. He has a VERY strong work ethic. And most of all, we both ENJOY our jobs.

And I didn't lose my teenage years :P So I had to work a few hours a couple times a week - big deal, so I wasn't at home watching tv ... What did I lose? I see my other 18 year old brother, never been forced to get a job because he's the youngest, always been babied ... The kid has no idea of money, no idea what work ethic is. He thinks a job should just fall into his lap and money should be loaned to him, instead of working to get it. And I believe it's my parents' fault for letting him get away with that kind of thinking, because life is going to be rough for him when he has to finally take a job he doesn't like to pay his way through whatever.

And a loving family indeed instills beliefs and values in their children. I don't know about your parents but mine wanted me to grow up to be a successful individual, not 'rich' but happy with myself and where I am in life. And I am, and only at 22. I think I'm doing ok ;) Certainly you can question your parents and what values they are instilling ... But you need to look deep down and try to understand that maybe they know what they're talking about. And if they don't, then rebel ... And suffer the consequences. But that's your prerogative of course. If the only thing you cry in an argument about their beliefs is 'IT'S NOT FAIIRRRR I DON'T WANNA WORKKK' ... Then suck it up, princess!

If I lost my job tomorrow, my living standards wouldn't drop at all. Firstly, I still live with my parents so they'd cut out the rent payments until I found another job. I don't own a car so that wouldn't be a problem, I just take one of the family vehicles. I'm lucky that way.

And if you can earn money the easy way ... ALL THE POWER TO YA! Congratulations! I have yet to discover that method and believe me, if I do, I will be taking it. However, money must be earned one way or another and such is life.

But you missed my entire point in my previous post. HIS FATHER WANTS HIM TO GET A JOB. End of. It may be fair and it may not be. I'm not saying either way right now. Fact remains that's what's happening and you're not doing him any good by saying 'it's not fair! Fight for your rights!' Getting a job at 16, 17, whatever, is not the end of the world. You're not being forced to do something illegal, immoral, physically painful, etc.

[vixen]

Yes, I believe that my work ethics that I learned from working at a young age have helped me advance earlier than most of my friends. I am 22 years old, I have worked for the Canadian Parliament since I was 20. I make double the average national salary of Canadian women up to the age of 35, and 50% more than women aged 35-50. My brother is 20 and he was working since the age of 16, and currently he works for Elections Canada making the same salary as me. He also delivers pizza in the evenings because he likes that extra 500 a week. He has a VERY strong work ethic. And most of all, we both ENJOY our jobs.

And I didn't lose my teenage years :P So I had to work a few hours a couple times a week - big deal, so I wasn't at home watching tv ... What did I lose? I see my other 18 year old brother, never been forced to get a job because he's the youngest, always been babied ... The kid has no idea of money, no idea what work ethic is. He thinks a job should just fall into his lap and money should be loaned to him, instead of working to get it. And I believe it's my parents' fault for letting him get away with that kind of thinking, because life is going to be rough for him when he has to finally take a job he doesn't like to pay his way through whatever.

And a loving family indeed instills beliefs and values in their children. I don't know about your parents but mine wanted me to grow up to be a successful individual, not 'rich' but happy with myself and where I am in life. And I am, and only at 22. I think I'm doing ok ;) Certainly you can question your parents and what values they are instilling ... But you need to look deep down and try to understand that maybe they know what they're talking about. And if they don't, then rebel ... And suffer the consequences. But that's your prerogative of course. If the only thing you cry in an argument about their beliefs is 'IT'S NOT FAIIRRRR I DON'T WANNA WORKKK' ... Then suck it up, princess!

If I lost my job tomorrow, my living standards wouldn't drop at all. Firstly, I still live with my parents so they'd cut out the rent payments until I found another job. I don't own a car so that wouldn't be a problem, I just take one of the family vehicles. I'm lucky that way.

And if you can earn money the easy way ... ALL THE POWER TO YA! Congratulations! I have yet to discover that method and believe me, if I do, I will be taking it. However, money must be earned one way or another and such is life.

But you missed my entire point in my previous post. HIS FATHER WANTS HIM TO GET A JOB. End of. It may be fair and it may not be. I'm not saying either way right now. Fact remains that's what's happening and you're not doing him any good by saying 'it's not fair! Fight for your rights!' Getting a job at 16, 17, whatever, is not the end of the world. You're not being forced to do something illegal, immoral, physically painful, etc.

^5's Cali.

I too was told to get a job. I used that money to help finance college which I all but paid for as my dad was laid off my freshman year. Working paid for my education so I have a good job now. I hate it but its a job that pays the bills and affords a nice lifestyle for me. Its a vicious circle but in the end it comes back to ethics, values and the morales we obtain from a hard days work....

[HellRaiser]

If the only thing you cry in an argument about their beliefs is 'IT'S NOT FAIIRRRR I DON'T WANNA WORKKK' ... Then suck it up, princess! HIS FATHER WANTS HIM TO GET A JOB. End of. It may be fair and it may not be. I'm not saying either way right now. Fact remains that's what's happening and you're not doing him any good by saying 'it's not fair!

Not crying for him, just stating the option, he doesn't have to do it.
You and Vixen are telling him he has to because Daddy says so.

If I lost my job tomorrow, my living standards wouldn't drop at all. Firstly, I still live with my parents so they'd cut out the rent payments until I found another job. I don't own a car so that wouldn't be a problem, I just take one of the family vehicles. I'm lucky that way.

Of course your living standards wouldn't change, at 22 you still live at home with mom and Dad. :P
You do not have the threat or worry about real life costs or bills because in the end your living at home.
Worse comes to worse, parents foot the bill like you said till you find another job lol.


So what exactly were you saying again Dear Abby? :| (a)

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

i got to side with hell on this one your friggin 22 and you sitting here bragging you make twice as much as the average 30 year old woman...well if thats the case get off mom and daddys tit and grow up.(to me thats a put down of all the 30 year old canadian woman and seems likeyour trying to say your better then them, most of them dont live with momy and daddy). dont say your grown up cause you aint till you can prove you can survive on your own , which as of right now you can say you can..

cali you cant sit there and even attempt to judge munkeylord or his situation cause its obvious your spoonfed everything in life.. you live off mommy and daddy and i bet they probably helped you get your jobs.. your probably not living in a low income city that has a HUGE illegal immigrant problem with a dad who pretty much seems like an asshole and is forcing you to do something that even so you try you havent been able to do yet (that is munkylord finding a job)..you even said you werent force, well he is being forced and he is trying so dont act all high and mighty and try to judge him..

and lastly your 22 move the hell out for crissakes

[Calienta]

i got to side with hell on this one your friggin 22 and you sitting here bragging you make twice as much as the average 30 year old woman...well if thats the case get off mom and daddys tit and grow up.(to me thats a put down of all the 30 year old canadian woman and seems likeyour trying to say your better then them, most of them dont live with momy and daddy). dont say your grown up cause you aint till you can prove you can survive on your own , which as of right now you can say you can..

cali you cant sit there and even attempt to judge munkeylord or his situation cause its obvious your spoonfed everything in life.. you live off mommy and daddy and i bet they probably helped you get your jobs.. your probably not living in a low income city that has a HUGE illegal immigrant problem with a dad who pretty much seems like an asshole and is forcing you to do something that even so you try you havent been able to do yet (that is munkylord finding a job)..you even said you werent force, well he is being forced and he is trying so dont act all high and mighty and try to judge him..

and lastly your 22 move the hell out for crissakes

I'm not arguing that I have been spoonfed a lot ... I'm saying I was forced to get a job at the age of 14. That's how he and I aren't so different. And they didn't help me get my job :S Neither of them work in Parliament so that's impossible. My dad helped me by speaking French with me, but that's about it. I was a medical secretary when I was 18 so I had experience. It's hard for you to understand how someone could get a good job without help :P But you're right, I don't live in a city overrun by illegals. I live in a tiny ass town with no buses, taxis, etc, and my parents drove me to work every evening before I got my licence. Probably cost them just as much in gas to get me there as I made in wages but they wanted me working, not saving them money.

And Hellraiser, I don't get your point? I'm saving my money to buy a house so I don't HAVE to rent for years and years, spending almost every penny of my income, barely saving anything. It's a smart plan but just because lots of people CANNOT do it, doesn't mean I shouldn't. And just because I'm way better off at 22 than a lot of people, at Munkylord's age I wasn't so different, except that my parents weren't dickheads. I realise how fortunate I am. The job issue was still the same though.

So what is your point? :)

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

job issue wasnt the same you CHOSE to get a job, his dad is FORCING him and probably would take most of his check also..its fine if someone young wants to work, but they shouldnt be forced to especially at threat of getting kicked out.. education is first and thats all munky should be cncentrating on at the moment

[Calienta]

job issue wasnt the same you CHOSE to get a job, his dad is FORCING him and probably would take most of his check also..its fine if someone young wants to work, but they shouldnt be forced to especially at threat of getting kicked out.. education is first and thats all munky should be cncentrating on at the moment

I didn't choose to get a job. I would have loved nothing better than to not work! I HATED getting home at 1am from a close shift at McDonald's. I hated McDonald's with a passion. But I agree that education comes first. COMPLETELY agree. If having a job is going to make it difficult to perform well at school, and you don't need the money ... do not get a job. I also don't agree with the kicking out factor, either. If you want your kid to do well in life .. Don't kick them out when they're faltering :S

Unfortunately his father is a piece of work.

[Quaker]

wow, people are giving the original poster (OP) way too much credit here.

From everything that has been said his dad is not being unreasonable as it really sounds like the OP does nothing productive all day and the dad is fed up with him doing so.

Dad did NOT kick him out, by OP's own admission Dad only said "get out and don't come back home until 5".

OP has already admitted to not being the most diligent student, he is PLANNING to drop out of school his senior year, again all signs of him being a total slacker and not this amazing student a few of you are portraying him to be.

If OP was all about education then I am sure his dad, as any parent, would be ecstatic and give more freedom to do as he wished, however, he is not and so the dad's demand is justified. What good would he be doing by coddling him any more than he has? School does come first, but if you're not about school then get your act together and find a gig to support yourself with.

All that said, as a minor, your dad does have the responsibility of taking care of you until you turn 18, you get married or get emancipated. Just know that taking care of you can also mean finding someone else to do so or turning you over to the courts.

To me, from the little the OP has provided, it doesn't sound like he's even going to go there as he still cares a lot about the OP and wants what's best for him. Telling him to get out of the house and do something productive until 5 is not the same as kicking him out, seems like the OP is just over-dramatizing the entire situation.

Can't find a job? Do something else productive with your time like a volunteer gig... you'd be surprised at how many times jobs are offered to you just by being there and showing them you are willing to dedicate yourself to em.

[Calienta]

Dad did NOT kick him out, by OP's own admission Dad only said "get out and don't come back home until 5".

OP has already admitted to not being the most diligent student, he is PLANNING to drop out of school his senior year, again all signs of him being a total slacker and not this amazing student a few of you are portraying him to be.

School does come first, but if you're not about school then get your act together and find a gig to support yourself with.Can't find a job? Do something else productive with your time like a volunteer gig... you'd be surprised at how many times jobs are offered to you just by being there and showing them you are willing to dedicate yourself to em.

If we could still rep I would up you for that. Well said.

[HellRaiser]

I am just saying Calienta you got it made and HARDLY fit into any category of a poor story to advise others.

But yes, Quaker has eloquently hit the nail on the head from start to finish.
I completely agree, as shocking as that may seem. lol

[Calienta]

I am just saying Calienta you got it made and HARDLY fit into any category of a poor story to advise others.



I thought I fit into the category of : I had to work when I was young and look at how it benefitted me ...


?

[Asshole]

I thought I fit into the category of : I had to work when I was young and look at how it benefitted me ...


?


i think im in the same boat.. it certainley never killed me

[Seizure]

Just to add my thought, i left scholl at 16 with an average education. I wasn't the schooling type so got an apprenticeship in electrical engineering. All i did was apply everywhere. The training was on the job and practical. I've seen lots of the uk being a contractor, In the U.S i bet you could see the world with the right company, which would get you away from home. The pay is poor to start but within 5 years i'm now on about 30k a year here.

just an idea...:)

[HellRaiser]

I thought I fit into the category of : I had to work when I was young and look at how it benefitted me ...?

You didn't get the good job and good pay because you started working at 16 lol.
I said you got it made because you have a good job and good pay and live at home still.

[Calienta]

You didn't get the good job and good pay because you started working at 16 lol.


I think I did ... And you can't argue with me that I'm right and you're wrong because it's oh so difficult to know for sure :P I stand with Asshole - definitely didn't kill me.

[Asshole]

cali is right, im in a well paid job now and put down all work experience ive has since 16, and they always look back and comment on how many years customer service experience ive had, every job has customers, learning how to deal with them in such "menial" jobs, is excellent experience

[Calienta]

they always look back and comment on how many years customer service experience ive had, every job has customers, learning how to deal with them in such "menial" jobs, is excellent experience


Fully agree with that. I wouldn't have gotten the job as medical secretary at age of 18 had I not had 4 years of experience dealing with irate idiots! And then I might not have gotten my current job if I hadn't already gotten the secretary job at which I worked for 2 or so years ...

It all adds up :)

[HellRaiser]

Oh come on lol, There are tons of people with absolutely zero experience with good jobs today.
Hell, my girlfriend works for the Government, makes good money as well and she did squat before that. ;)

[Calienta]

Oh come on lol, There are tons of people with absolutely zero experience with good jobs today.
Hell, my girlfriend works for the Government, makes good money as well and she did squat before that. ;)

I'm not arguing against that :P I'm just saying that a good job CAN come of having experience. So it doesn't hurt.

[Asshole]

Oh come on lol, There are tons of people with absolutely zero experience with good jobs today.
Hell, my girlfriend works for the Government, makes good money as well and she did squat before that. ;)

I do some of the hiring at my work,

Who am i gonna hire, the 18 year old who worked in a supermarket for two years, or the 18 year old with no prior work experience, who quite blatantley still scabs off daddy??

bearing in mind im a bookie, you deal with customers all day. some irate, because they are losing, some gloating that they are winning, some that are drunk andinsult you, but generally really nice people, who if you are nice to them will act like your best friends, prior customer experience helped my raise so fast in my line of work, and now i can go out most nights and get 4/5 drinks bought for me by people who happen to be customers..

It all counts and your a fool if you think not.

[HellRaiser]

I'm not arguing against that :P I'm just saying that a good job CAN come of having experience. So it doesn't hurt.

Agreed, but we and Asshole are way off the original point of this topic.
Not that neither of us can add anything to what was already said, so moot point I guess. :)


I do some of the hiring at my work, Who am i gonna hire, the 18 year old who worked in a supermarket for two years, or the 18 year old with no prior work experience, who quite blatantley still scabs off daddy??

Since we are talking about a low end industry job and not corporate.
The smart person would hire the 18 Year old who had no experience.
Any boss who says the pay rate is standard regardless who gets the job is a liar.
It's much cheaper to pay someone with no experience as they learn the ropes.
The one with the 2 years experience is obviously not progressing to another level of work.
Chances are high they are not going to give a shit about doing the job you're hiring for.
On the other hand, the person who never worked who applied is old enough to know
at this point a job is crucial they will often times work harder and do a better job.

It all counts and your a fool if you think not.

I'm not saying it doesn't count, I am just saying it isn't neccessary.
An smart employer looks at everything when hiring not just experience.
There are many factors involved in every situation that determine the end result.
Don't be a fool to believe otherwise. :P

[Asshole]

unfortunatley 90% of jobs now have a basic wage,

so i put it to you again who will i hire,

The person who knows customer service, or the person i will have to babysit for a few months?

As for low end industry job, you've obviousley never worked in the betting industry

[HellRaiser]

unfortunatley 90% of jobs now have a basic wage

Yes, but usually the one who has experience is usually offered more.
Or whats the point of gaining or having experience? To get the same basic wage? lol

The person who knows customer service, or the person i will have to babysit for a few months?

I'll put it to you again then lol..

Do I hire Beth with no experience at let's say $10.00 an hour or do I hire Cindy with 2 years experience
at the same $10.00 an hour who will 99% of the time not give a flying fuck about the job?

Or do I hire Cindy bumping up that rate to say $12.00 an hour, to make sure I am showing her I am
valuing the experience she brings and hopefully that will make her happy to do A GOOD JOB?

Most employers I would think would be saying, even though logic and good smart business practice dictates
to pay the extra wage and get an experienced individual, (which rarely happens lol)
I will hire the non experienced individual to avoid the "I don't give a shit attitude and turn over rate",
for which my remaining staff will deal with teaching her the ropes with no skin off my back lol.


As for low end industry job, you've obviousley never worked in the betting industry

lmao, funny you say that, if you only knew. :hehe:

You're doing a legal job, (hiding behind that enclosed area yes?)
People are placing wagers, giving you money, is the money yours? NOPE lol.
Why? because you're not the true meaning of a bookie, you're paid a salary, lol.
Hell maybe they even give you commissions, like a telemarketer. :P

Here, let me school you on betting, Mr legal Bookie. :cheeky:

A real bookie makes the line, do you make the line? NOPE. You're told the line.
A real bookie creates the "Marker" if you don't have cash up front, do you? NOPE. You're not aloud to give markers.
A real bookie creates the VIG, or for you that would be "Interest" on the sum if ya can't pay.
You don't even have that issue lol.
You give a ticket as odds for the wager he/she placed, like a lotto corperation lol.

Shall I go on?

Sorry but customer service is a low end job regardless what Company it is or overall profits.

Listen, I know you could work another 30 years doing your legal bookie job
and ya still wouldn't be able to truly understand what being a bookie is about lol.
Because in your world over there a bookie is sanctioned gambling.
You have policies, you have rules, you're paid a salary and ya pay taxes lol.

[Asshole]

Here, let me school you on betting, Mr legal Bookie. :cheeky:

A real bookie makes the line, do you make the line? NOPE. You're told the line.
A real bookie creates the "Marker" if you don't have cash up front, do you? NOPE. You're not aloud to give markers.
A real bookie creates the VIG, or for you that would be "Interest" on the sum if ya can't pay.
You don't even have that issue lol.
You give a ticket as odds for the wager he/she placed, like a lotto corperation lol.

Shall I go on?

Sorry but customer service is a low end job regardless what Company it is or overall profits.

Listen, I know you could work another 30 years doing your legal bookie job
and ya still wouldn't be able to truly understand what being a bookie is about lol.
Because in your world over there a bookie is sanctioned gambling.
You have policies, you have rules, you're paid a salary and ya pay taxes lol.

Your talking like its a big betting firm, unfortunatley for you its not, so your wrong on a fair amount of that stuff,

but hey, what would i know?, its completley fruitless to try and debate a point with you, so i feel the ins and outs of MY job would be pretty much similar, but there we go.

[HellRaiser]

Your talking like its a big betting firm, unfortunatley for you its not, so your wrong on a fair amount of that stuff.

Small or big, same points apply, because it's a legalized sanctioned gambling service. Prove me wrong.

but hey, what would i know?, its completley fruitless to try and debate a point with you.

I think you either don't know too much about what ya do or just don't want to admit to what I say is true.
It's never fruitless to debate a point with me, it's just most don't have the facts to go the distance lol.
Point is, there is a difference between debating opinions and facts.

All I'm saying is, what you guys over there consider a bookie is nothing more then customer service for a legal business for gamblers. Kinda hard to argue or debate that.

[Asshole]

Small or big, same points apply, because it's a legalized sanctioned gambling service. Prove me wrong.



I think you either don't know too much about what ya do or just don't want to admit to what I say is true.
It's never fruitless to debate a point with me, it's just most don't have the facts to go the distance lol.
Point is, there is a difference between debating opinions and facts.

All I'm saying is, what you guys over there consider a bookie is nothing more then customer service for a legal business for gamblers. Kinda hard to argue or debate that.

I worked for a big betting firm, but recentley moved to a smaller one.

In this smaller company it completley my choice to pay out on:

A short head, first past the post, i can refuse to pay first past the post depending on why the "winning horse" was disqualified, And i can also create a book on local events, and decide what rule 4s to apply, i can decide what bonuses if any to pay on bets too, give a price on a horse that differs to the shows etc none of which you can do with a big bookmaker, such as william hill ladbrokes and coral.

Thats just a few reasons theres a difference between the companies.

Along with the licenses that need to be held.

[Calienta]

It's never fruitless to debate a point with me, it's just most don't have the facts to go the distance lol.
Point is, there is a difference between debating opinions and facts.

I just wanted to point out that it's extremely difficult to debate with you whenever you throw in your "if you only knew what I used to do" ... "in my old line of work" , etc etc ... You treat those statements as if they're supposed to open our eyes to the 'fact' that you did extremely secret work (CSIS? I don't know) that we aren't allowed to know about but have to 'trust' that you do indeed know what you're talking about.

You're not laying everything on the line, you only hint about things and don't delve into detail and expect us to swallow everything you say with wide-eyed innocence because, 'hey, he DID used to do this kind of work! Whatever kind that would be!'

[Dymond]

Wow this thread is still going? I still think that there is more to the OP story than we are being told. Maybe I'm the only one that is reading between the lines on it but I feel that his dad is getting tired of his kid sitting around on his ass all day and not doing anything.

[HellRaiser]

Wow this thread is still going? I still think that there is more to the OP story than we are being told. Maybe I'm the only one that is reading between the lines on it but I feel that his dad is getting tired of his kid sitting around on his ass all day and not doing anything.

Yes DY, that was the summation we all pretty much came to as an agreement to end the tirade lol.

Okay Asshole, I understand what you're saying...
But is your line only in horse racing or are you dealing with other forms of sports betting?

In the end it all goes back to this anyway as I been saying...
If your a legalized sanctioned outfit for gamblers where tickets are given and payouts and collections
are considered taxable with salaries paid, it will never be considered or defined as a real term of a bookie.
What you do and everyone in your line of work are customer service for a gaming company.
I am not saying that as an Insult, Nothing wrong with that or any job if one likes what they do and gets them by.


I just wanted to point out that it's extremely difficult to debate with you whenever you throw in your "if you only knew what I used to do" ... "in my old line of work" , etc etc ... You treat those statements as if they're supposed to open our eyes to the 'fact' that you did extremely secret work (CSIS? I don't know) that we aren't allowed to know about but have to 'trust' that you do indeed know what you're talking about.

If someone says one of the aspects of previous employment starts off with...
"in my old line of work" then directly proceeds that with discussing or defining sports betting/bookies operate etc...
I guess the obvious escapes you, yes? :cheeky:
But okay, yes, In North America you can only know detailed information if your with law enforcement or organized crime.
Since this is a 50/50 guess, I want to know how you passed the Federal Government test, to get your job? :hidey:


You're not laying everything on the line, you only hint about things and don't delve into detail and expect us to swallow everything you say with wide-eyed innocence because, 'hey, he DID used to do this kind of work! Whatever kind that would be!'http://www.joker-bikes.de/tim/egghunt/eggs/ad3ede7a8.63 (http://www.joker-bikes.de/tim/egghunt/egg.php?id=63&key=ad3ede7a8)

Let's put it this way Calienta...

If I used to work for the Police or CSIS or any other type of Law Enforcement or Organized Crime Task Force...

OR

If I used to work within the Mafia or just a basic organized crime group or hell just a basic criminal...

You think anyone in their right mind would clarify that online for the sake of proving something muchless goating a debate?

Come on lol...

But hey, by all means feel free to state your exact Federal Government job and status level so we all can CLARIFY that. :cheeky:

[iceman420]

Monkey....Dont take this the wrong way!

I think statistically 95% of the people that participate in this forum have had issues with finding jobs. The fact is there are jobs available and only being 16-17 w/e age you are your expectations for employement should be lower then someone that is 18+ and has 1-2yrs of previous working experience. At your age any job someone is willing to offer your regardless you should accept it, work there. While your working there just to make a small income try and find something you think would be more suitable for your liking. When i was 12yrs old i referree soccer at $6.50 per game thats less then minimum wage!!! then 14yrs old i started umpire baseball at $15 a game doing 10-12 Games a week and i did that until i was 16 then i jumped into the restaurant business which i must say with out doing that i would have never learned to cook! Restaurant business suck, but on the plus side you do make an income while learning something that you need to know for life. Then i turned 18 and jumped into contruction which im not even gunna tell you how much that sucked. Now im 20yrs old working for polaroid Electronics as a Quality Assurance Supervisor for their call center in florida, making more money then i did through any previous jobs. I dropped out of high school beginning of junior year, obtained GED as soon as i turned 18. Yes you can find good jobs with out a diploma, but look how much harder i had to work physically to obtain it....Thats the moral of this story. Take Diamonds example- yes it sounds like he worked some pretty crumby jobs in his day as well, but at least he has a college degree thats providing him a position that pays better then what has taken me 8yrs of working to obtain. *GO BACK TO SCHOOL* Get a part time job being a McWorker for McDonalds, get the benefits, build a small resume, go to college, find a better job to support you while in college, then success is all up to you from there! Dont make the mistakes half this forum has made, and had to turn around and try to correct after the fact!

Best of luck!

FYI- i also got kicked/moved out at 16...made me a more responsible person in the long run, but made for a lot of mistakes. Go back Home!

[mudcut]

or better yet learn how to play the guitar write some killer tunes and live the highlife in the sun or the shade whichever you prefer because you will be the man.

[Sir Mankalot]

lol mudcut that would be my friend Greg's goal, and I cant take that from him. Yes I am back home, but jobless. After spring break my dad says he is gonna cut down even harder. Thank you all for your input, it is nice to get advice from random people.

[mudcut]

you dont have to take it from him, you can use it as a comon goal and play off eachother. never underestimate the power of music harness it as much as you can, learn to use it as a form of expressing your feelings on your life and you can overcome alot (but not all) of lifes pitfalls. Its also good therapy for a weiry soul.

[Sir Mankalot]

its ok...im into techno now...