No sex talk?

[Aeon]

Why can't we talk and joke about sex?
Why do some people get sooo uptight when it comes to sex?
What is it that makes you uncomfortable about openly discussing sex.
or what is it about sex that you can't discuss at all...

Honestly.


tell me yours i'll tell you mine... lol

[Beli]

because we have to becareful of the children that come on here after playing an online drug dealing game.
dealing drugs game= ok for kids
talking about sex=not ok for kids

honestly, if people were a lot more open about sex and sex talk, there would be less teenagers (and sadly younger) trying it.

i like it rough and not always in a bed. how about you Aeon?

[thisguychris]

Who said we can't talk about sex?
For the record, I'm neither uptight or uncomfortable when it comes to openly discussing sex.
There is nothing about sex that couldn't or shouldn't be discussed.

Tell me your fantasies, your desires. I'll write you a story that will push the limits of those fantasies and ignite your desire. The best part? Reality is so much better than fiction...

[Tca]

Im neither uptight nor uncomfortable as well

beli knows that :cheeky:

but honestly, i don't know why people get all weird about it, its just another part of life, like shitting, yet tung talks about that and *shudders* posts pictures of that on the forum n don't get in trouble lol

[Mikey:)]

I find it ironic that the eyes of the person I get lost in belong to the same person that I say such filthy things to in bed.

[Aeon]

ok.. LOL..
what about the people who won't discuss kinky things or sexuality.

or...

Do they not like to talk about not talking about sex either...?

Mikey.. that is the prettiest/kinkiest thing i've heard in a while..
Beli.. you know i like it anyway i can get it...LOL..

*honestly i'm just curious...

[Tca]

Kinky stuff rocks :D

sorry, trying to honestly keep it on track lol but kinky is good :P

sexuality can be pretty hot too lol depending on who it is etc :P

[tim|away]

Who said we can't talk about sex?

I'm wondering that too.

[Beli]

I'm wondering that too.

i guess that would be who moved my post to a new thread.... they were thinking of the children i am sure.

[Calienta]

I don't mind discussing sex with people I'm comfortable with ... but otherwise it embarrasses me and I have no idea why. I'm not embarrassed reading your posts but would be embarrassed to post a reply. No idea why. :hidey:

[swiss miss]

I don't mind discussing sex with people I'm comfortable with ... but otherwise it embarrasses me and I have no idea why. I'm not embarrassed reading your posts but would be embarrassed to post a reply. No idea why. :hidey:

have to agree with you rachel - im not embarressed or in any way prudish about talking about sex but i choose not to do so in a public forum. Anyone that wants to do so should be free to if they wish (we dont have to read it if we dont want to and so long as it is clearly labelled NSFW).

Like Beli says - this forum is supposed to be for adults and to varying frequencies we all have sex and it is a part of our lives so the people that want to should be free to discuss it if they wish [disclaimer: so long as the forum isnt turned into some kind of a soft-core porn site, ive heard :angel: there are websites committed to that elsewhere].

[steff]

I didn't think threads had to be labelled NWS unless they had graphic pictures of sex or anything else you wouldn't want your boss/mum seeing. Obviously putting "cum" in the biggest font and bolded is a nono though.

[Jacx]

psst...what thread was it..might help with the debate

[Dymond]

Honestly I don't have much hangups about sex either BUT because there are underage kids in here we have a legal responsibility to watch what we say and discuss. One way around this would be to enforce an 18 and older only on the forum then we could go to town but the reality is we have kids here that shouldn't read or see some of the stuff that is posted. I'm all for openness about sex BUT I'm also a firm believer that it is something that adults should be engaged in and not kids.

[Santo]

Haven't we gone thru this before?

It's not the sex talk, it's the distasteful conversations that sometimes happen in the SB that brought up this subject before, but i see nothing has changed since last year around this time of year when all this came up.

**Edit**

Besides i see 2 different problems here, one is how some people express their sexuality and a complete different one on the subjects that are discussed. I have never seen any kind of censorship when a serious matter is being discuss, even if its racial or sexually oriented (i don't often see serious disuccusson either)....

[Aeon]

I'm wondering that too.

nobody recently lol...
i'm just curious.. I've noticed it (obviously) from previous conversations with forum members..

and i was just wondering if there was a good reason for it other than
people just considering it a uncomfortable base for a convo...?


Cali...
I understand what you are saying about being uncomfortable to respond...

DY...
beli makes a good point on your subject.
If underage kids come here chances are good that we can not say anything that they haven't previously heard or will hear elsewhere..
I understand a need for responsibility but isn't a heathy sexual attitude,.. a better lesson than a "lets walk on eggshells for the sake of young mind" attitude??
how can we lead by example if we won't talk, joke.. or get gross every so often?
We have tung (luv ya bud) posting pictures of girls shitting everywhere and direct links to tub girl... but yet if i say " I wanna fuck you." out loud I'm a whore or i'm causing a forum member to get offended and run to admin...
the point is.... who among you is equiped enough in life truely to judge on what i discuss on the subject or tung for that matter...or what someone may learn from it? positive or negative...

I digress a bit. http://www.joker-bikes.de/tim/egghunt/eggs/8b3338a04.66 (http://www.joker-bikes.de/tim/egghunt/egg.php?id=66&key=8b3338a04)

Guess how you were created?
so where is the shame is joking about it atleast?
Cali and Swiss maybe you could dig deep and find an answer..

Carlos : I am aware that we had previously discussed this but...
the outcome of that conversation sucked..
so here's a honest unheated serious discussion about it...mkay

[Calienta]

Cali and Swiss maybe you could dig deep and find an answer..



I think that it's just the terminology that gets me. Like I used to be really closed to that type of conversation not even 2 years ago. But I opened up and can now have certain discussions without being embarrassed at the words coming out of my mouth.

You have no idea, I was the kid who called everything 'front bum' and 'back bum'. I will still go red in the face if I say certain words. Like I can't even bring myself to type them now to tell you which ones I mean. But I don't get embarrassed if you figure out on your own my 'sexual exploits' lol .. I just won't spell them out.

I really don't understand why the words affect me the way they do because, after all, they are only words. But maybe because they were taboo in my family for years, and some still are, I have a hard time getting used to saying them?

Don't know.

[Dymond]

Well honestly how many of us are saying this because we truly want an open and honest discussion about sex or are doing it to a) get a rise out of somebody or b) as some sort of cyber voyeurism. Here is the litmus test. Would you ask the questions or make the statement if you were in a group of real people. As for kids if they are getting it somewhere else thats great for them but its not our job or responsibility to educate them.

[Santo]

Carlos : I am aware that we had previously discussed this but...
the outcome of that conversation sucked..
so here's a honest unheated serious discussion about it...mkay


Because of the outcome of that conversation, and what happened then is that I posted, and i was aming more at the approach that someone else is taking on this. But my point still stands, i don't think there is censorship towards any subject at all, it's the abuse that has cause problems in the past, that and childlike responses, but i don't think that will ever chage because that is just the way some people are.

[Aeon]

Thanks Cali..

I understand how certain words make people feel uncomfortable...
But are you not denying a entire part of your life when you let your fear
of a word inhibit you from conversations?
Or are you not denying your sexual self and personality by feeling (the word i'm using) ashamed to discuss certain aspects of your life that should come very naturally to discuss or joke about or be gross about...
I'm not saying you should stray from your natural self to be shy either However,...
Lets say we are joking or being gross for humors sake... and you have a funny comment to add.. Do you prevent yourself from making this comment due to stipulations you have set on how sex should be discussed?
and if this is the case....
Do you feel this is something that inhibits you from taking part?
Or is it a taboo subject for most of the people in your life aswell?


I'm not trying to stir up trouble nor did i discuss this thread with anyone before i made it...
I honestly am asking for myself because i have been a target in the past
and i naturally do not understand shielding people from these things..

And Dy:
If it is not our responsibility "either way" then why sometimes do people get so uptight about discussing this in front of a minor...(educationally ofcourse)
We have thousands upon thousands of sexual pervs out there looking for our children everyday literally...
Isn't it better to arm them with education rather than ignorance or innocence?
Arm them with a sence of humor about the subject ..
Yet we are too pompous to discuss something that (for the lucky) takes up 25% of your life?...(and some men 100% of the mind)
Isn't discussion about drugs healthy?
Discussion about abuse?

[Calienta]

Lets say we are joking or being gross for humors sake... and you have a funny comment to add.. Do you prevent yourself from making this comment due to stipulations you have set on how sex should be discussed?
and if this is the case....
Do you fell this is something that inhibits you from taking part?
Or is it a taboo subject for most of the people in your life aswell?

Most of my friends are not vocal about it. So I'm not losing out on any part of the conversation because it just doesn't get to the point of making me shy. I have the occasional girlfriend who isn't shy and will be like, "Did he fuck ya in the ass?!" type thing, I would never say something like that and it embarrasses me but I can laugh it off and either say yes or no without embarrassing myself further :P

I had a friend who was extremely vocal about it who used to embarrass me and I'm sure he did it just for that reason lol :glare: Like I'll give you an example ... I was riding to a bar one time just me and three guy friends. He said, "Okay let's pig-roast Rachel" .. I had no idea what it meant and they were all laughing their heads off explaining it to me and I just sat there beet-red lol. I can't handle that type of conversation that is extremely explicit.

But other than those few instances, I rarely am in the situation in my life where I'm refraining from saying something 'naughty' ... Because it just doesn't come up.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Honestly I don't have much hangups about sex either BUT because there are underage kids in here we have a legal responsibility to watch what we say and discuss. One way around this would be to enforce an 18 and older only on the forum then we could go to town but the reality is we have kids here that shouldn't read or see some of the stuff that is posted. I'm all for openness about sex BUT I'm also a firm believer that it is something that adults should be engaged in and not kids.

My two cents....


It's utter bullshite that we have ANY responsibility to minors, considering minors shouldn't even be here in the first place. This is a forum linked to a game about drug dealing, pimping hos, and jumping your enemies. The fact that it is open to minors (IMO) is more irresponsible then letting little johnny or susie see words like "cum" and "pussy"

It's such a pathetic snapshot of our culture that we would allow children to play a game where you are rewarded for dealing drugs and buying guns, but shield them from subjects like *gasp* the female orgasm :rolleyes:

I guess violence will always be more accepted than healthy sexual discourse.

Carry on.

[Santo]

Now that you bring that up Maij, I've laughed every single time Ive seen this kids shouldn't be playing a game that is about drugs and pimpin hoes and what not, when in fact this game is about math, the better you are with numbers, the better you get a dope wars, but nevermind that, this forum is not only for those that play dopewars, there is also GC, FM and that steff game that no one plays :P. On the other hand, i absolutly agree, we have no responsability what so ever, to any minor that comes here, they sign a cocnent where it states that if their are underage they have their parents permision to do so, if their parents are not aware enough of their kids activities on the internet, it is their problem, not ours. But I guess in the end the question is, would you let your kids roam free around this forum? I would certainly do, of course at this point i don't have any kids of my own, but I do believe that when that time comes I will have no taboo subjects what so ever, I'm a person that enjoys his sexuality a lot and I'm in no way bound by any social pregidice(sp?) that (believe there is a lot of that where i live) there could be.

Violence and sex is out there, each parent has the rosponsibility as to how to teach their kids on how to deal with this.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

I wouldn't let my children come within 10,000 miles of this forum.

If you want a game to improve math skills, try backgammon, rummy, sudoku, etc... Poker is an excellent game to learn math skills (pot odds, counting your outs, percentages) but I still wouldn't let my children play it online. Sorry, but a game about drug dealing and killing your enemies is not appropriate for a 13 year-old IMO. But all parents are different.

When they are 18, they can do whatever they want.

Sorry, to get off the subject. back to sex :hehe:

[Aeon]

Let me get this straight....
You'd rather watch ignorance breed?
Pass it off by saying "it's not my child.."
To me this coincides with saying look at that hungry child...
let his parents feed him....
and puts in mind of a saying " it takes a village to raise a child "

by these words i am not saying my way is any better however...
Anyway is better than no way at all... n'es pas?
or the way of oppression... (dramatic but true)

On the topic of letting my child play this game... if she understood that it was a "game" and we had a open discussion about it then i would with out a doubt let her play...
it's no less than shielding her eyes from television at this point.
Do you not explain to your child that television is fake?

anyways the point is all the same,...
Taboo subjects that we as ADULTS should not feel obliged or oppressed
to discuss either way...
In particular sex.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Wow, you made quite a few assumptions based on my small post.

Let me get this straight....
You'd rather watch ignorance breed?
Pass it off by saying "it's not my child.."
To me this coincides with saying look at that hungry child...
let his parents feed him....
and puts in mind of a saying " it takes a village to raise a child "

I am ultimately responsible for my child, not the community. I should not expect the community to uphold standards based on my child. If an online game for adults wants to talk about poop and sex or whatever, I do not believe in any way that the community is responsible for censoring itself for the benefit of my child. That is my responsibility as a parent. And in reverse, I do not feel a responsibility to censor myself for someone else's child.

by these words i am not saying my way is any better however...
Anyway is better than no way at all... n'es pas?
or the way of oppression... (dramatic but true)

On the topic of letting my child play this game... if she understood that it was a "game" and we had a open discussion about it then i would with out a doubt let her play...
it's no less than shielding her eyes from television at this point.
Do you not explain to your child that television is fake?

I wouldn't allow my daughter to get involved in a game about drug dealing and pimping hos, unless she CHOSE to when she was 18. But that's just me. We're not exactly a household of ignorant pilgrims who are oblivious to the outside world. I will discuss anything with my children openly, but I would prefer that they learn about things like sex, drugs and relationships from friends and family, and not on an internet forum with God knows who. I see nothing wrong with letting kids be kids. Everyone is in too much of a hurry to grow up now anyway.

anyways the point is all the same,...
Taboo subjects that we as ADULTS should not feel obliged or oppressed
to discuss either way...
In particular sex.

Again, my point was, I do not feel responsible to censor myself for the benefit of minors in a forum linked to an adult-themed game. That is the parent's responsibility.

Just because I don't want my kids to see TubGirl and Goatse yet, does not mean that they are "oppressed"

[Santo]

Just because I don't want my kids to see TubGirl and Goatse yet, does not mean that they are "oppressed"

Again, it was the abuse, not the use that was the problem.

And again i say, the problem here is the 30 something year old kids that have no restrains.....

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Again, it was the abuse, not the use that was the problem.

And again i say, the problem here is the 30 something year old kids that have no restrains.....

Why should adults be restrained? Unless they are "abusing" others....

Besides, I don't even know what the heck you are all on about anyway, I don't know what happened or what was posted. So I probably shouldn't put my two cents in at all....

You can tell me what happened and I may have a different opinion :dunno:

[Aeon]

LOL..
My point is if we are not responsibile either way... <--->
Then why censor certain things/people... for the sake of "the younger" forum members..??? or for the sake of what..?
I agree that if they are here they are doing so illegally and we should not have to watch what we say or do...

Given that as adults discussing things (as you know) in a healthy or unhealthy way ultimately teachs us something...
In my opinion this place isn't entirely filled with people who are unintelligent. I feel through "this place" i have learned and grown in positive ways...
and saying that i wouldn't let my daughter come here is like saying i don't trust her.. or not teaching by action, i'll even go so far as to say hypocritical...
(granted in the age limit when i speak)

I choose not to look at tubgirl or 2 girls because it grosses me out and makes me wanna barf.. I assume anyone would have the common sence to know their own limit as far as that stuff goes..
(personally I find it 100% hilarious to watch the reaction of people watching 2 girls....)

I suppose I am just looking at the ying/yang theory of it all...

We have (even in this forum) been told what is right and wrong to say and do in ref. to sex.
From dirty talk to posting graphic videos.
I've seen people get uptight over it all, been called all kinds of names... insulted and my feelings genuinely hurt in the past...
For what?
Because someone is closed minded to how they percieve i should talk...

it's a well known gender bias.
or
a ingrained teaching somewhere down the line...?

Personally my take on it all is to have a good laugh about it.
I'm of the mind that...if i can not talk about it, that is when it should be talked about most...
Or if it makes me feel uncomfortable then i should push myself to see past my own limits and break from my own uncomfortability about it...
i understand this isn't the opinion of most and i accept that... but
in oppressing myself or (others) getting uptight about what i joke about or say in ref. to sex...(for example) isn't it like reverse rape or something?
*(lol... if you see my point. <again extreme ying/yang theory)

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Ah, ok I understand now. This is more of a philisophical debate than an actual response to an event.

I think Aeon said it best here: "Personally my take on it all is to have a good laugh about it.
I'm of the mind that...if i can not talk about it, that is when it should be talked about most..."


I've never seen sex as something "dirty" and it should be open to pushing the boundaries. People get too uptight about sex.

[Calienta]

I don't think we should censor ourselves for the perceived children who come here ... The internet is a harsh place and we're far from the worst, even with tubgirl and sex topics.

This should be a place where people are content for THEMSELVES... Not worrying about what Joe Blow and Little Miss Muffet are gonna go cry about. If something doesn't bother you, then don't complain. Let the people it bothers complain. But don't worry about corrupting children because believe me - they will be corrupted with or without Oddthought if they are on the internet alone.

[Aeon]

Totally agree'd ^^^^^ and thanks hooker!
lol

Here's a story....

I on several occasions have been asked to tone it down...(no surprise)
I have...
But i ask myself what is my cost to obliging the people who i have offended?
for example...
I am a sexual person... I have been asked to not be so... (for example)
in the forum to the extent that i was...
Now i feel like i can not be myself even if being myself is being a dirty old lady...
Nobody will like everything i say... i get this...
But asking me to repress my jokes and my sexuality is like asking me not to be myself...
I'm not saying that this is a recent event... but in the past it has been an issue with me and some forum members, who, even threatened to leave if i was not asked to tone it down...
So myself ... alone... have been told what to say and what not to in threads... during my spam sexual jokes stage...
which i found amusing and entertaining.. i'm sorry if some of you didn't but...
short of a ban... unless i get a reason why i can not (other than the worry of forum members threatening to leave or someones face turning red (not at you cali..lol)

I act this way at home.. with friends... why not here..
Christ certain forum members have watched me hump a bear! LOL
they can attest to my personality naturally being sexual in nature...
anyways the only reason i mention it is to prove a point..
In the end to me it doesn't seem like anyone has got a valid reason...
As to my original question...it seems random opinions would somehow be the answer...?
so.... i will not feel like i can not say or do things anymore... and if anyone has a problem with what i say (for example) please come to me...
As I hope we would do and not run to admin like a bunch of tattletail children. Or on the flipside provoke admin by taking something i say out of context..

[Dymond]

And Dy:
If it is not our responsibility "either way" then why sometimes do people get so uptight about discussing this in front of a minor...(educationally ofcourse)
We have thousands upon thousands of sexual pervs out there looking for our children everyday literally...
Isn't it better to arm them with education rather than ignorance or innocence?
Arm them with a sence of humor about the subject ..
Yet we are too pompous to discuss something that (for the lucky) takes up 25% of your life?...(and some men 100% of the mind)
Isn't discussion about drugs healthy?
Discussion about abuse?

I have had all these discussions with my kids because its my responsibility as a parent to do so. However I don't make light of sex Aeon because its not a game, its not frivolous. Its a HUGE decision that kids are forced to deal with on a day to day basis that can have enormous consequences on the rest of their life. People die every day from making light of casual sex, people have to make hard decisions about life and death because of casual sex. I am very flirty and fun with my wife around my kids because I want them to know that sex isn't a bad thing when your in love and you've made a commitment to the person your with but its also my responsibility to make sure that kids remain kids and that they enjoy this small moment of their lives when they aren't faced with decisions that adults have to make day in and day out.

I'm not attacking whether or not we do or don't talk about sex here, I'm just debating what I feel are your totally misplaced conceptions about why we should do so.

I don't know if there was a specific incident for this discussion other than the thread Beli started and then removed the content from. I do agree though that because of the in your face functionality of the Shoutbox that people do limit their sex talk there just because thats something that can't be NSFW'ed and we should always assume people could be looking at it from work.

[thisguychris]

...and it should be open to pushing the boundaries. People get too uptight about sex.

If only everyone felt the same way... maybe the toys we bring out wouldn't be set aside without being used ;)

[Beli]

I have had all these discussions with my kids because its my responsibility as a parent to do so. However I don't make light of sex Aeon because its not a game, its not frivolous. Its a HUGE decision that kids are forced to deal with on a day to day basis that can have enormous consequences on the rest of their life. People die every day from making light of casual sex, people have to make hard decisions about life and death because of casual sex. I am very flirty and fun with my wife around my kids because I want them to know that sex isn't a bad thing when your in love and you've made a commitment to the person your with but its also my responsibility to make sure that kids remain kids and that they enjoy this small moment of their lives when they aren't faced with decisions that adults have to make day in and day out.

I'm not attacking whether or not we do or don't talk about sex here, I'm just debating what I feel are your totally misplaced conceptions about why we should do so.

I don't know if there was a specific incident for this discussion other than the thread Beli started and then removed the content from. I do agree though that because of the in your face functionality of the Shoutbox that people do limit their sex talk there just because thats something that can't be NSFW'ed and we should always assume people could be looking at it from work.

I DIDN"T MAKE A THREAD! SOME MOD DID THAT

[Calienta]

I DIDN"T MAKE A THREAD! SOME MOD DID THAT

God whoever the genius was who did that should have said something like ... "original post edited by (insert name) and moved to General Discussion".

Things are way too confusing.

[Aeon]

I have had all these discussions with my kids because its my responsibility as a parent to do so. However I don't make light of sex Aeon because its not a game, its not frivolous. Its a HUGE decision that kids are forced to deal with on a day to day basis that can have enormous consequences on the rest of their life. People die every day from making light of casual sex, people have to make hard decisions about life and death because of casual sex. I am very flirty and fun with my wife around my kids because I want them to know that sex isn't a bad thing when your in love and you've made a commitment to the person your with but its also my responsibility to make sure that kids remain kids and that they enjoy this small moment of their lives when they aren't faced with decisions that adults have to make day in and day out.

I'm not attacking whether or not we do or don't talk about sex here, I'm just debating what I feel are your totally misplaced conceptions about why we should do so.

this is only a partial reasoning answer/question/topic.. children have been mentioned as a possible reason I simply responded to one of the many reasons...
i do beileve in teaching bodily responsibility but teaching that sex is only relevant when love is present is a idealism that will get someone hurt...
given the obvious reasons...
Sex is not a game but it should be fun and light hearted...
jesus do you just stick it in and pull it out?
Or do you on occassion cover your wife in choclate like a juicy cherry and lick her clean....Ever smacked her in the leg (or head lol) with your erection just to get a laugh???
Sounds very serious and frivilous to me..:D


I don't know if there was a specific incident for this discussion other than the thread Beli started and then removed the content from. I do agree though that because of the in your face functionality of the Shoutbox that people do limit their sex talk there just because thats something that can't be NSFW'ed and we should always assume people could be looking at it from work.

why are people looking at the shoutbox and not working???
If children are not our responsibility why is your work code or ethic?
Why do i care if your boss sees me write FUCK ME DADDY written across your screen when you are suppose to be working... same difference right?

[Dymond]

this is only a partial reasoning answer/question/topic.. children have been mentioned as a possible reason I simply responded to one of the many reasons...
i do beileve in teaching bodily responsibility but teaching that sex is only relevant when love is present is a idealism that will get someone hurt...
given the obvious reasons...
Sex is not a game but it should be fun and light hearted...
jesus do you just stick it in and pull it out?
Or do you on occassion cover your wife in choclate like a juicy cherry and lick her clean....Ever smacked her in the leg (or head lol) with your erection just to get a laugh???
Sounds very serious and frivilous to me..:D




why are people looking at the shoutbox and not working???
If children are not our responsibility why is your work code or ethic?
Why do i care if your boss sees me write FUCK ME DADDY written across your screen when you are suppose to be working... same difference right?

As for the sex.. I think the only one that scored higher in the kink scale in some survey we had here a few months ago was you :P

And Children are my responsibility.. I say NSFW because its a word that we use but honestly it should be NSFA. Not Safe For Anywhere. If my son happens to behind me playing with his Transformers he doesn't need to see your 'fuck me daddy' in the SB now does he? I can stay clear of NSFW threads when my kids are around.. As of yet I don't have that kind of control for the SB.

[Asshole]

This thread is pathetic..

90% of the arguments being used FOR sex talk, were used as reasons AGAINST racism, and reasons for tca and muzzas resulting bans

Time the forum learned they cant have it both ways..


Personally im not embarrassed about it, but it always builds up stupidley till we have stupidly crude posts in threads about two (possibly) fat, ugly forum whores talking about rubbing each other in jelly..

and personally i dont want to read that shit, i would rather read tca calling somebody a curry muncher, i can laugh at that, i wont get flashbacks of the mental image conjured every time i eat curry, unlike the idea, of fat gothic ugly saggy bitches with faces like a bucket of smashed crabs everytime i see jelly..

Im open to talking about sex, but with every other subject theres a time and place, and personall i think this forum is NOT the place,

Not because we need to be censored but because i see no reason for it, but..

Diffrent strokes for different folks..


and for the record.. i dont want to read your fuck me daddy while im playing with my Transformers either!!!

[Aeon]

As for the sex.. I think the only one that scored higher in the kink scale in some survey we had here a few months ago was you :P

And Children are my responsibility.. I say NSFW because its a word that we use but honestly it should be NSFA. Not Safe For Anywhere. If my son happens to behind me playing with his Transformers he doesn't need to see your 'fuck me daddy' in the SB now does he? I can stay clear of NSFW threads when my kids are around.. As of yet I don't have that kind of control for the SB.


so coming full circle...
it's the same... at the risk of sounding hypocritical and unfeeling...
why do i have to think about your kids behind you?
if your looking at the "dopewars" forum and your kids are behind you reading then.. i hate to say it but i guess it's your responsibility to censor "yourself" and "your" habits to suit them....as you see fit. Not mine.

This thread is pathetic..

90% of the arguments being used FOR sex talk, were used as reasons AGAINST racism, and reasons for tca and muzzas resulting bans

Time the forum learned they cant have it both ways..


Personally im not embarrassed about it, but it always builds up stupidley till we have stupidly crude posts in threads about two (possibly) fat, ugly forum whores talking about rubbing each other in jelly..

and personally i dont want to read that shit, i would rather read tca calling somebody a curry muncher, i can laugh at that, i wont get flashbacks of the mental image conjured every time i eat curry, unlike the idea, of fat gothic ugly saggy bitches with faces like a bucket of smashed crabs everytime i see jelly..

Im open to talking about sex, but with every other subject theres a time and place, and personall i think this forum is NOT the place,

Not because we need to be censored but because i see no reason for it, but..

Diffrent strokes for different folks..


and for the record.. i dont want to read your fuck me daddy while im playing with my Transformers either!!!

If it's pathetic then why bother inputting a opinion...
Which of course you are entitled to... and you have the right to say "i don't wanna see it" but in that i am given my right to say ... "well i do.."
so as tough as it is for you to watch 2 fat goth girls pretend to smear themselves in jelly... it's just talk... for thier fun... Not yours...
Not everyone is of the same opinion.. but i won't supress your right to spout off about it as you have no right to tell me what i can and can not say or where i can say it or not...

[Santo]

This thread is pathetic..

90% of the arguments being used FOR sex talk, were used as reasons AGAINST racism, and reasons for tca and muzzas resulting bans

Time the forum learned they cant have it both ways..


Personally im not embarrassed about it, but it always builds up stupidley till we have stupidly crude posts in threads about two (possibly) fat, ugly forum whores talking about rubbing each other in jelly..

and personally i dont want to read that shit, i would rather read tca calling somebody a curry muncher, i can laugh at that, i wont get flashbacks of the mental image conjured every time i eat curry, unlike the idea, of fat gothic ugly saggy bitches with faces like a bucket of smashed crabs everytime i see jelly..

Im open to talking about sex, but with every other subject theres a time and place, and personall i think this forum is NOT the place,

Not because we need to be censored but because i see no reason for it, but..

Diffrent strokes for different folks..


and for the record.. i dont want to read your fuck me daddy while im playing with my transformers either!!!


Finally someone gets what I'm saying.... The problems is not the subject, it's not that you can't talk about sex, or religion or what ever, it's that some people abuse how they approach a certain topic and someone gets offended.


**edit** By the way Dy, Eryn will find a way to make it look like what you are trying to say is completly opposite to what you are saying, just keep that in mind :P

[Dymond]

so coming full circle...
it's the same... at the risk of sounding hypocritical and unfeeling...
why do i have to think about your kids behind you?
if your looking at the "dopewars" forum and your kids are behind you reading then.. i hate to say it but i guess it's your responsibility to censor "yourself" and "your" habits to suit them....as you see fit. Not mine.

OK now you've just got me confused because I don't see your logic.. Your saying because its not our responsibility to teach these kids about sex, its not your responsibility to censor what you say but by not censoring what you say you inadvertently teaching these kids the wrong things about sex?

Why am I reminded of the Dead or Alive song?

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Im open to talking about sex, but with every other subject theres a time and place, and personall i think this forum is NOT the place,

Not because we need to be censored but because i see no reason for it, but..

Diffrent strokes for different folks..


I almost agreed with the beginning of your post...until you got to this part. Why is the forum a place for "curry munching" comments but not "fuck me daddy"?

What's the diff?

What is the inherent stigma associated with sex? (I think maybe this is what Aeon is hinting at?)


And Chris.....:glare: :glare: :glare:

[Asshole]

i never said it is the place, i argued against the bans, and against the amount of enforced cencorship,

i personally would not care if neither popped up..

but i agree if either topic is used then they should have NSFW on them

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

i never said it is the place, i argued against the bans, and against the amount of enforced cencorship,

i personally would not care if neither popped up..

but i agree if either topic is used then they should have NSFW on them

what about the SB?

[Aeon]

OK now you've just got me confused because I don't see your logic.. Your saying because its not our responsibility to teach these kids about sex, its not your responsibility to censor what you say but by not censoring what you say you inadvertently teaching these kids the wrong things about sex?

Why am I reminded of the Dead or Alive song?


LOL nooo...
I'm saying that as a parent it is your responsibilty to lead by action...
for example...
Knowing full well that it says "DOPE" at the top the game screen you log in... if your kids are behind you.... they see that..
So where is the difference in my saying fuck or cunt in the SB..
YOu have already become responsible for what your kids see just by logging in... Is Rit responsible for that?
How is that MY responsibilty?
I am responsible for say my own words.. but how they effect you or the possible lurking children of this forum... by all rights should be of no consequence to me.
If i say something that you percieve as unhealthy i would hope that instead of shielding your already watching children that you would take a deep breath and explain to them the best you can.

so in short....
by even logging into the internet or this forum... it is you that is responsible for the peering eyes over your shoulder and not for me to walk on eggshells with my words because you can't wait till the kids go to bed to check your games, forums and pm's...whatnot.
does that make sence..

and carlos.... i'll be happy if you don't comment on my personality when you clearly know so little about it. mkay thanks... :grin:

[Asshole]

depends, on the tone/situation used and to what extent.

uou cant set cast iron rules, because they do not always apply..

[Aeon]

UM... The title of the forums doesn't have DopeWars anywhere on it.. and actually if you notice I don't log on much from home but because I am a tech mod I do have a responsibility to monitor my section.. which involves checking it at home.

and you two need to stick to the subject.. your wandering dangerously close to AIW there..


fair enough... one sec brb...


what is this then...sorry so big...lol looks like I see dopewars right there?
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5052/dopewarsgv4.jpg
??
my eyes must decieve me...
I'm not condeming you for playing whenever you want to but your reasoning is for my or others talk and lanuage is because of a technicality that i could have no way of possibly knowing... so therefore why should i walk on eggsshells because of your technicalities?

[Dymond]

We are talking about the FORUM here Aeon.. not the game... So lets try that one again shall we? I play my games from work or late at night :-)

[Aeon]

they could be if mine werent in the way

LOL anyway back on topic...


edit:
upon thinking of something...
you have derailed my no sex talk thread with your no talk of no sex talk talk...
See how a conversation works... we derail, we come back... side comments make a thread funny or boring... but it's still your right to sidestep...
enlightening...

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

two men kissing one mans ass.....seems on topic to me...

[Aeon]

We are talking about the FORUM here Aeon.. not the game... So lets try that one again shall we? I play my games from work or late at night :-)

we are talking in general Dy the forum is being used as a example.

[Dymond]

OMG seriously could your lips be any tighter to Dymonds ass right right now...

Ok i'm done with him.... LOL....:hehe:

OK so he is kissing my ass because he is agreeing with me? Seems to be kinda harsh. Seems to me your sidestepping the whole fact you got the game mixed up with the forum.. You do know its possible to go directly to the forum without going through the game right?

[Santo]

Generalizing like that can be missleading... How do you know people here behave the same way in their everyday lives, some people are just the way they are everywhere, some pretend....

[Aeon]

I return to my first post...

Why can't we talk and joke about sex?
Why do some people get sooo uptight when it comes to sex?
What is it that makes you uncomfortable about openly discussing sex.
or what is it about sex that you can't discuss at all...

Honestly.


tell me yours i'll tell you mine... lol

It wasn't something that intended on being a direct mentioning of the forum's problems... "it is" more of a general question to the public on what in your daily lives makes you inhibited when it comes to sex...
and given that i am not at all inhibited person i am trying to understand...
I'm not hear to pamper you or agree with your beliefs.. just here to get a opposing opinion and understanding as this is something that perplexes me..


sorry lol and late edit:

tragedy telling everyone he loves them in the SB disgusts me.. i demand it be stopped.... pmsl LOL

[Aeon]

i demnad you shut your mouth and only open it when i request a blowjob..


whores will be treated as such

I maybe a whore... but i will still never fuck you...or stick your man clit in my mouth.:grin:


LOL and if it's all the same...
The only answers to my questions so far that i can find .. don't validate
the opposing opinion to me because they have holes in them which are easy to spot...
It can be proven by reading back...
I only see excuses not answers...

so by all rights, so far....

Am i to believe that the irresponsibilities, ignorance or shames of others should lead me to walk on eggshells in my daily conversations with whomever about whatever (including sex..)...?

[Asshole]

you either being blind or ignorant to my first post

[Dymond]

So Aeon I just want to understand this for the record.. You talk in your public real life exactly how you do here. You blurt out whatever sexual reference strikes your fancy no matter where you are or no matter who you make uncomfortable?

[Aeon]

I did use the edit button.


So Aeon I just want to understand this for the record.. You talk in your public real life exactly how you do here. You blurt out whatever sexual reference strikes your fancy no matter where you are or no matter who you make uncomfortable?

Yes that is exactly what i want you to understand...
And the people i hang out with don't easily let words and jokes offend them...
Ofcourse i am sensitive to others and i chose my right time... but you ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you that i love to joke about sex...

For example:
My roommates like to wrestle... when they do this .. I shout " i love gay porn.." they stop wrestling and wrecking my house...
LOL... it's just a joke between friends... it's not ment to offend or hurt and... anyone on the outside looking in would think we are crazy...
But it's our moment... and we laugh and we smile and this aside from the perverted sence of humor... it's all good...!

[Dymond]

I did use the edit button.




Yes that is exactly what i want you to understand...
And the people i hang out with don't easily let words and jokes offend them...
Ofcourse i am sensitive to others and i chose my right time... but you ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you that i love to joke about sex...

For example:
My roommates like to wrestle... when they do this .. I shout " i love gay porn.." they stop wrestling and wrecking my house...
LOL... it's just a joke between friends... it's not ment to offend or hurt and... anyone on the outside looking in would think we are crazy...
But it's our moment... and we laugh and we smile and this aside from the perverted sence of humor is good...!

I think you hit the nail on the head and honestly what Santo was getting at. We all joke around in here and I think we all have a good sense of humor.. But unfortunately somebody goes overboard and ruins it for the rest of us. My wife and I have had this running banter for years about sex.. I will pretty much turn almost any innocuous comment she makes into something sexual or a really bad come on line. The challenge for her is to see it before I do or even better see one that I totally miss. We laugh about it because my wife knows (I hope) that I'm not actually expecting those lines to work, but its just fun to be that goofy with her because I have a comfort level with her that I have with no other person.

[Aeon]

aww.. that's cute... lol

ok with that line of thought...
what if my line of comfortablity is higher than yours...?
or...
I am comfortable with you so i make a joke that "we" get",
Someone takes it out of context and we are in this cycle again...

does that makes sence>?

[Dymond]

aww.. that's cute... lol

ok with that line of thought...
what if my line of comfortablity is higher than yours...?
or...
I am comfortable with you so i make a joke that "we" get",
Someone takes it out of context and we are in this cycle again...

does that makes sence>?

Its all about knowing the audience...

[Aeon]

How am i supposed to know who is lurking and spying..plotting and tricking?
Again it just brings me back to...
Outside of obvious courtesies .... how am i to know that joe blow from rigamarole is gonna get offended and if this is the case why should i care?

[Tca]

I don't think nessecarily you should care, but nor do i think that person should over react either on the same note, im really for both sides of the argument here lol having quite a perverted sense of humour n being like, pretty open with sexual type shit with anyone lol

but there is a time and a place......while i don't really think censorship is a clever move, not on the net anyways, you should atleast try to be respectful n keep the overly sexual stuff to AIW (assuming you wanna be sexual like on the forum, that is lol) then said people who get offended, embarassed etc, will be more likely to avoid it, well they should just avoid AIW altogether if they're like that lol

IMO anyways :) i had more this morning, but i fell asleep before i posted it lol

[thisguychris]

so by all rights, so far....

Am i to believe that the irresponsibilities, ignorance or shames of others should lead me to walk on eggshells in my daily conversations with whomever about whatever (including sex..)...?


In my experience with this forum...

The irresponsibility concerning conversations on the topic of sex both in the shoutbox and on the discussion boards is and always has been relative to the maturity level of the audience of the moment. Keeping in mind the subject matter of the 'game' this community was founded on, it's ironic that sexual conversations and innuendo make a few people uncomfortable.

However, whether it be ignorance stemming from inexperience, shame of their own sexual deviancies or just the need to provide the world with shock value because of insecurities in their personal lives, some people seem to post obscenely just to get a reaction. When they get the reaction they are encouraged by the attention and push the envelope further.

If we can recognize the immature need for attention displayed by some and separate those posts / conversations from the ones you describe then I'm sure the [oddthought] world would be a better, more sexually satisfying place for all of us ;)

With all of that said, Eryn... I don't think we talk nearly enough :vickie:

And Maija... you know you laughed when you read my last post :angel:

[Aeon]

Surely i don't mean to be graphic...
It's funny how it is percieved that way..
It's not like i wanna be the next 1 girl 2 cups something (lol) or anything....)

[Dymond]

In my experience with this forum...

The irresponsibility concerning conversations on the topic of sex both in the shoutbox and on the discussion boards is and always has been relative to the maturity level of the audience of the moment. Keeping in mind the subject matter of the 'game' this community was founded on, it's ironic that sexual conversations and innuendo make a few people uncomfortable.

However, whether it be ignorance stemming from inexperience, shame of their own sexual deviancies or just the need to provide the world with shock value because of insecurities in their personal lives, some people seem to post obscenely just to get a reaction. When they get the reaction they are encouraged by the attention and push the envelope further.

If we can recognize the immature need for attention displayed by some and separate those posts / conversations from the ones you describe then I'm sure the [oddthought] world would be a better, more sexually satisfying place for all of us ;)

With all of that said, Eryn... I don't think we talk nearly enough :vickie:

And Maija... you know you laughed when you read my last post :angel:

Well said Chris.. and dude stop hitting on Eryn.. she has a man LOL

[Aeon]

and dude stop hitting on Eryn.. she has a man LOL



Haven't we already spoken about speaking for me in this thread! :hehe:

[Lord Temujin]

O.o...as a sidenote..

the two girls one cup reference offended me

*rabble rabble bitch rabble*

But seriously..people just need to learn to loosen the fuck up..they would have a much better life if they did..cut back on some unnecessary stress if they stopped being so damned overzealous

[Aeon]

I saw that dymond spammer.

[HellRaiser]

Why don't ya just have one forum strictly for sexual convo and only have those members over 18
aloud to have access to it, not hard to implement, solves the whole problem and pro vs cons debate.

[Aeon]

why bother ..
Heres' the deal!
I can say whatever the fuck i want to... and anyone who doesn't like it can kiss my lilly white ass.
I'm not a person who goes over the top.. i don't post refferences about girls shitting and what not... so..
give me a life ban for saying what i want... or tell me to STFU!
Or how about this....
Anyone who wants to complain about what anyone has said.... will say might say.. can take a flying leap off a tall building...
Cause me,... I am not walking on eggshells for your "possibilities" anymore...
You don't like it... FUCK OFF!
/end rant. :D

[Lord Temujin]

...that was an impressive fucking rant...Kudo's..and I agree...DOWN WITH CENSORSHIP

[Asshole]

LOL..

such a hypocrite..

Aeon did you not go off on one at me in the shoutbox, declaring me a racist, because i disagreed with the extreme censorship of racisit words, wether jokingly or otherwise??

And yet the amoutn of sex talk the censor has nothing on the racism..

1 rule for you eh ?

[Aeon]

Asshole...

the only time i remember argueing with you was about how stupid it was to compete to be a mod of the pit of dispair...And my arguement was based on the fact that ....you all were acting like hypocrites for even bothering to try out because of the way you lot were bitching about mods....

get your stories straight before you start attacking people.

or you've got me confused with someone else...
check your source.
lmao


edit: and who are you to repremand me for doing and saying what i want...
infact it's you that looks like a hypocrite.

[Asshole]

What kind of argument is that?

I point out your being hypocritical, so you call me hypocritical for pointing it out..

along with the mature argument of "you cant prove it na na na.."

Im sure tung who was also there will point out im right, least you could do is own up to it, instead of seeming even more childish than this shit spawn of a thread, especially considering sex talk really isnt even moderated.

you must need to get laid again.. or maybe its that time of the month again.

[Aeon]

What kind of argument is that?

I point out your being hypocritical, so you call me hypocritical for pointing it out..

along with the mature argument of "you cant prove it na na na.."

Im sure tung who was also there will point out im right, least you could do is own up to it, instead of seeming even more childish than this shit spawn of a thread, especially considering sex talk really isnt even moderated.

you must need to get laid again.. or maybe its that time of the month again.


Wow...

Um..no... Your just completely wrong on what i was argueing at the time...Obviously you misunderstood what was going on...

Anyway.. You can attempt to discredit or disprove me.. it doesn't matter.
I have no idea why you would do that.. ? but whatever

I am not resorting to nernerner's with you, I was simply stating that for someone who prides himself on being an "Asshole" and essentialy saying and doing whatever you want... (in this forum) then coming in here and trying to discredit or whatever your trying to do to me in ref. to the thread topic .. does seem a bit hypocritical... based on your behavior in the past present and most def. future..
No immaturity,.. just truth...


And in ref. to what was said in the shout box...
What i was saying is...
Your a crappy mod.
and that's why you've got your panties in a bunch.... Funny how i apologized to you for said discussion, i got no response and your still bitter...
I suppose you bought your time till you could use it to do whatever...cause your obviosly a lil bitter about that conversation (it's been weeks...i even forgot)

I could care less if others buy into your bullshit... i do not...

Staying true to your name... not the way that i pictured getting to know you better but i guess i've dissappointed people in here aswell.... frankly i'm surprised you would resort to such stupid antics.

Defend yourself,...It's your right!
but insulting me and then calling me immature... ??
I think your not to clear on the def. for hypocritical..

Your view is that the conversation is stupid... Fair enough..
But it's not stupid to me... And i am actually amazed at the amount of clarity i have recieved through this thread...
I'll say it AGAIN...
I did not make the thread about the forum... (if you had actually read the thread you would see that i say this) however it is the direction it has obviously taken.. but was not my intent at all...
Just because something is not a issue for you in the forum doesn't mean that others haven't experienced this form of censorship here.

sooo... what's your issue really?

[Asshole]

the issue is what i have already posted, and i dident even make it an issue, i was just pointing out the facts.

You called me and tung for that matter immature for our stance in the racism thread, you also resorted to calling me at least, a racist..

And our stance was that censorship is bad..

You know have this post complaining about the censorship of sex talk.. are you blind to the irony or something ?

and i dont know possibly how what you were saying in the Sb could be taken wrongly..

[Aeon]

*sigh* i feel like i am banging my head against a brick wall...
My general point on that convo was to make fun of you guys for wanting to be mods...
I've already personally apologized to you... and if that's not good enough well it's your problem not mine...
In any case... You are fully aware on my state of mind at the time...
And i seem to recall you tossing out a couple insults soooo don't play innocent.
In any case...
whatever I am in your eyes.. is of absolutly no consequence to me.
My only questions are...
What exactly are you trying to prove?
You think attacking me does what exactly???
And what is the point of you doing it in the first place??
Answer those questions..
I've said my piece you can make whatever you want out of it...
I maybe incorrect in my view of you.. but your looking like a bitter lil boy.
soo... i really don't understand what it is your trying to accomplish...

Enlighten me....

[Stinger]

Why can't we talk and joke about sex?
Why do some people get sooo uptight when it comes to sex?
What is it that makes you uncomfortable about openly discussing sex.
or what is it about sex that you can't discuss at all...

Honestly.


tell me yours i'll tell you mine... lol

HONESTLY:

I'm okay talking about sex. I'm okay joking about sex. I think some people are uptight about sex because of their age, maturity level, or upbringing. Some people find it vulgar to speak of sex openly, as they believe it should be confined to the bedroom.

I personally only get uncomfortable talking about sex openly around people that I do not know, in communal public establishments, or around elders...or small children. I think it is a respect issue in some instances, and yet in others it is more something I know would embarrass those I am surrounded by.

With kids, I think it comes down to an awareness that I would prefer to be the one teaching my own kids about sex as having them stumble across it in their daily lives. It is for this very reason that I have always introduced my kids to sexual matters prior to the public education system's interference. I would rather my kids were not convinced by the kid sitting next to them in class that they are going to get pregnant for touching a boy's hand, or that hair will grow in their palms for masturbating. Healthy, age appropriate conversations about sex with children is mandatory *imho* You don't expose a teenager and a toddler to the same content because their comprehension is not at the same level.

The thing I can't comfortably discuss about sex is anything to do with rape, because I don't see it as sex, but as violence. I cannot comfortably discuss molestation or child pornography for the same reasons...they are not truly a discussion about sex, but of a sickness that distorts what is considered a good thing and makes it wrong.

Where forum matters are concerned...I regulate what my children are exposed to to the best of my abilities, and we talk openly about any subjects they have a curiosity about, but I am not prepared to explain to my five year old children why certain obscene pictures occasionally come across my screen when I visit this forum. I just don't come around when they are present any more. Those people notorious for the foul stench and vulgarity that I personally find offensive, I keep blocked so "I" don't have to see the disturbing materials they frequently post. I find this suits me just fine.