Gasoline, what are we going to do?

[Jacx]

and now u know why i laughed to much when i was in the states and they were moaning about fuel costs

[hoos]

We're already looking for alternative fuel sources. I believe diesel is starting to be used again in Europe, which is easier, and cheaper to process. Those crafty Germans I believe have a cleaner, more efficient diesel engine that is also quieter. The world is not going to run out of oil for a long time because we will progress and find new ways to get what we want.

[DnD]

start riding bikes, you lazy fuckers :w00t2:

[Metall_fan]

start riding bikes, you lazy fuckers :w00t2:

how many problems urban Americans (like here in New York) could've solved if they rode short distnace trips (<30 miles one way) on bicycles:

1. fuel costs
2. air pollution
3. obesity
4. road congestion
5. time (yes, its actually faster to go by bike than by car if you include the time it takes to find a parking spot in a place like Manhattan. I won't even mention rush hour traffic)

[for20gurl]

its a matter of supply and demand. if no one wants it, the price will drop eventually. walk more and carpool or use public transportation. I walk to work and i pull my 2 yr old in a wagon behind. general rule of thumb for me is, walk if i can get there in less than 30 minutes, otherwise take the bus, and the bus stop is a 25 minute walk :)

but unfortunately as long as ppl pull up to the pumps and fill their SUV or hummer, and dont find alternative ways to conserve then the demand will remain.

[tim|away]

We're already looking for alternative fuel sources. I believe diesel is starting to be used again in Europe, which is easier, and cheaper to process. Those crafty Germans I believe have a cleaner, more efficient diesel engine that is also quieter. The world is not going to run out of oil for a long time because we will progress and find new ways to get what we want.

diesel is starting to be used again in europe? here are some facts for you: 65% of the produced cars over here in germany come with a diesel engine. this is something the americans miss to notice, diesel engines are a lot more efficient than petrol engines. They come with more torque and they consume less fuel which is also cheaper. talking about gas prices, the gallon costs more than $7 (USD) which isn't a temporary peak. however, diesel isn't going to solve our problem: oil deposits are limited.
there is no doubt that the majority of cars will be powered by either diesel or petrol for the next 20 years. efficiency will improve constantly, but in accordance to the situation we have to find a different concept sooner or later.

what options are there?

bio-pretrol such as ethanol for instance gained from plants. with a few minor modifications to a regular diesel engine, it's already possible these days to run it with rape oil. question is how big the plantages are supposed to be to supply the oil demand and more important where is the space that comes with the environmental conditions that we need?
natural gas (compressed or liquid). i got a seperate gas tank in my bmw to run it either with natral gas or regular petrol. it takes minor changes to the car, but the weight certainly increases which slightly increases the fuel consumption. a big problem is the supply of natural gas. it might become a bit tricky to find a petrol station that offers natural gas though. over here, we do have about 5k stations that provide the special gas you want.
hydrogen. the big problem with this option is that it's quite ineffecient to produce. i've read an article the other day at work about a team of scientists that used solar to cover the energy requirement that's needed during the production process. they worked for more than 5 years on this project and the bottom line was "solar without hydrogen would have been more efficient.".
electricity. good news, it causes no direct emissions and the engines are relatively quiet. bad news, the emissions are shifted to the power plants (unless nuclear) and the cars would be quite heavy due to the massive batteries. depending on the batteries, the recycling might be another problem that needs to be discussed.
(hydrogen) fuel cells is the most advanced option of all. however, there are a few problems. first of all it's the high cost of making reliable fuel cells that would provide electric power in a hydrogen car. secondly, if paired with hydrogen the current gasoline fueling system would need to be replaced or expanded in order to cover the hydrogen demand.
milk and water. who says we need a car in the first place? don't forget to get your daily amount of calcium and either walk or use a bicycle. :)

[Grendel]

milk and water. who says we need a car in the first place? don't forget to get your daily amount of calcium and either walk or use a bicycle. :)

I work as a plumber and I cover about 1,000 miles a week. How am I supposed to carry all my tools and equipment, pipes and fittings on a bike?!! :w00t2:

[Cowboy Killer]

The thing about america is that everything is so spread out. not every place is a sprawling city, most of it is very rural and walking or taking a bike would be out of the question. until very recently my town dident even have public transportation, and actually from where i live, the bus stop is atleast 15 miles away.

as for me, i drive a V8 GMC sierra...gas is around 280, and as long as i can afford it i dont care. me changing my lifestyle isent going to affect anything, because no one else is going to change...the only way gas will go down is when the Global demand goes down...maybe when japan or china hit a depression.

[tca]

What are we going to do?

Nothing, We'll be dead when that shit runs out, Mostly

For those of us that live to be 100 or older, We might start seeing shit run out by then, Most places will have expanded enough to ride a bike/walk, 15 miles Cowboy? You can't ride 15 miles? Geez, Talk about unfit

Get off yer lazy asses and stop trying to find solutions to a problem that isn't even a problem, I rekon it'll improve the world when oil goes bye bye

[JiB-O]

go buy a fucking horse, drop ur car into neutral, and voila, problem solved

[kurtis469]

here is the probelm the world largest oil refeiner exxon-moble....2005 profit.....record hit 6 BILLION DOLLAR PROFIT is it the world maket sure maybe alittle but its there millionair ceo's that want to make as much money as possible prices here in chicago have been at a steady 330 a gallon since july 4th and there is no real reason y but the companies know that ppl will never stop buying gas so they will charge what ever they want and no on will stop them casue the oil companies are always "donating" money to ppl campagins and shit like that.....

[Diogee old]

I currently work under a mile away from my job so walking is just more logical to me, but when I want to go to a ball game its 30 miles of course I'm gonna drive. If gas is too much for you then get a car that has better mpg or get a job closer to home. People will always complain about something, but they dont do anything about it. It's not like all of our vehicles have the same mpg or we have to live 40 miles from work. If gas was cheaper then what wuld you complain about rent, job wages, goverment, oh thats right we already do. Then do something about it people. Life is about choices you DON'T have to live at this great four bedroom apartment paying more rent then you would pay to own a house. It's your choice to work at McDonalds making minimum wage. As for the goverment well the people do elect who runs the goverment.

[cookedup]

As for the goverment well the people do elect who runs the goverment.
ummm wait but last i checked the president wasent elected! he lost the popular vote and bought flordia! but then again it was OIL money that bought it for him!

[Diogee old]

ummm wait but last i checked the president wasent elected! he lost the popular vote and bought flordia! but then again it was OIL money that bought it for him!


Realy
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/
or OH my god he won by 500,000 votes but we dont choose winner by popular votes.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html

Yes we all know he bought Florida but where was the rest of the country when we needed them like it or not bush did get elected by the people maybe not the majority of the people in 2000 but he got the votes where it counted.

[Colander]

As for alternative fuel, when i was a kid I made a digital clock that ran on a potato, surely in 2006 someone can make a car that does that, perhaps with a cheese injection system on it for speed?

[Bellows]

invade the Middle East?

[Colander]

invade the Middle East?
Good idea, thats sure to drive prices down...oh wait.

[soulsurvivor]

start riding bikes, you lazy fuckers :w00t2:


The only thing I will probably agree with you about!!!.
lol

[Honeypot]

One word Ethanol...

Actually I think it would be awesome if they made a hybrid that used Electric and Ethanol...

I'm thinking about just getting a moped though :D

[dov]

ethanol costs more (at least it used to) and isnt as efficant

[Honeypot]

I guess I haven't looked into the cost of Ethanol because my car doesn't run on it, but the theory of it makes sense. Since Ethanol is made of corn I would think that it would be a very affordable means of energy.

Like I said though, I think I'm just going to get myself a moped :D

[VikesWookie]

when there are more Ethanol refineries built the cost should go down. the problem the US is having w/ fuel now is due to the fact we have about half as many refineries as we did in 1976. approx. 330 in '76 & 170- something now. nobody wants them built in their community.
this subject is the basis for my conspiracy theory... but that's for another thread

[Honeypot]

when there are more Ethanol refineries built the cost should go down. the problem the US is having w/ fuel now is due to the fact we have about half as many refineries as we did in 1976. approx. 330 in '76 & 170- something now. nobody wants them built in their community.
this subject is the basis for my conspiracy theory... but that's for another thread


LOL :spike:

[Sir Brian]

I work as a plumber and I cover about 1,000 miles a week. How am I supposed to carry all my tools and equipment, pipes and fittings on a bike?!! :w00t2:

old git :D

maybe you and Gr_ aren't the same people after all.... :glare:

sorry for the necro post, but i also found this thread very interesting and even more relevant (Y)

[WorldCrisis]

Gas dropped to 2.23 a gallon here and I'm loving it. I recall paying $1.00 even for a gallon of premium back in 2000. When gas jumped to 4.00 a gallon I nearly shit a brick, Diesel fuel is high right now it was over 5.00 a gallon at one point. One of my friends who owns a diesel was running his truck with chicken grease that was left over from the bars with kerosene added in. You can laugh, but it worked and worked well haha.

[TraPStaR]

Gas dropped to 2.23 a gallon here and I'm loving it. I recall paying $1.00 even for a gallon of premium back in 2000. When gas jumped to 4.00 a gallon I nearly shit a brick, Diesel fuel is high right now it was over 5.00 a gallon at one point. One of my friends who owns a diesel was running his truck with chicken grease that was left over from the bars with kerosene added in. You can laugh, but it worked and worked well haha.

gas is @ $2.09 here... so its getting back to where it was but something needs to be done where everyone isnt relying on gasoline for travels... Time for a change!! lets hope President-Elect Obama will do as promised.

[Az]

Hey, the 1970's called, they want their crisis back.

[Jacx]

Weekly Retail PrPemium Motor Gasoline Prices (Including Taxes) (http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/gas1.html)

Gasoline and diesel usage and pricing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_usage_and_pricing)


don't matter about it being down right now...u know its gonna go back up and each time it goes up, its gonna be a new record broken.

U got Russia and a pile of south American countries that want to form a alliance with opec....shits really gonna hit the fan if that happens.

[hoos]

So are you still laughing at all US Americans? :bleh:

[Jacx]

i laugh at you when u moan about prices.

When you compare the developed countries of the world...USA has the 2...maybe 3rd cheapest fuel prices even when its at the high points.

You suck!

[Zeus]

Bought it for 1.89$ gallon today :D

[Jacx]

$1.76 here....but then again Missouri has the cheapest fuel in the country so not surprised.

[stokes91]

zzzzz americans
fuel costs about $1.10 - $1.30 here.....but that's litres :(
so so 4 - 5 dollars a gallon

[Jacx]

$1.59 today...ha suck on that

[Dai]

I was really chuffed getting petrol 2 days ago at 92p a litre, which I think is well over $5 a US gallon.

[stokes91]

last summer we we're hitting like 1.40+ a litre, it was so dumb

[HellRaiser]

77 cents a litre here lmao... :)

[JaiJai]

1.49 a gallon here now :thumbs:

[ZERAT]

I guess I haven't looked into the cost of Ethanol because my car doesn't run on it, but the theory of it makes sense. Since Ethanol is made of corn I would think that it would be a very affordable means of energy.

Like I said though, I think I'm just going to get myself a moped :D

try $8-$10 a gallon

i am interested in the possabilities of using ethanol fuel.

the main benefits are its more environmentally friendly and you don't have to rely on russia or the middle-east for power :P. + it is cheaper

however there are several drawbacks....


ethanol cars struggle to start in colder tempretures
the price of certain food stuffs would rise due to more crops being used for ethanol generation.
milage of an ethanol car isn't as good as that of a petrol motor

[stokes91]

ethanol cars struggle to start in colder tempretures

which rules people like me out, we get -40 celsius or colder here :(

[ZERAT]

which rules people like me out, we get -40 celsius or colder here :(



are you from the southern i cap?

:haha:

[stokes91]

are you from the southern i cap?

:haha:

no, the mountains of b.c.....though sometimes it feels like i'm in Antarctica :(

[the squid of despair]

try $8-$10 a gallon

i am interested in the possabilities of using ethanol fuel.

the main benefits are its more environmentally friendly and you don't have to rely on russia or the middle-east for power :P. + it is cheaper

however there are several drawbacks....


ethanol cars struggle to start in colder tempretures
the price of certain food stuffs would rise due to more crops being used for ethanol generation.
milage of an ethanol car isn't as good as that of a petrol motor



For some reason I can't back using food as a fuel when people are starving everywhere. There are better alternatives that will come to light in the near future as skynet takes over.

[Santo]

For some reason I can't back using food as a fuel when people are starving everywhere. There are better alternatives that will come to light in the near future as skynet takes over.


Hydrogen :thumbs:

[karena5301]

According to the last OPEC meeting they are aiming at a oil price of $80/barrel. I'm curious to see if they will manage to raise the price until that point.

[WorldCrisis]

They're discussing the possibility of $1 gasoline in the near future because the demand is so low at the moment with all of the recent layoffs. I remember it costing $30 to fill up my truck with premium gas back in 2000, I miss those days.

[seasider]

this lowering of demand and price might have a kick to it. if oil companies invest less in exploration then there will be an even worse shortage when demand increases again

[afraid to shoot Strangers]

The best way I can imagine is by elecrticity... Where I live, we only got electricity from electric dam, so it's do even less pollution than Nuclear. Some people say electricity don't go as fast as gasoline and hydrogen, well it's no more true... You only got to watch the fastest electric car and it touch the same speed as a gasoline one... The only problem with electricity is the time it cost to regain energy... You may do 60 miles per days with a charge, when you have to do 1000 miles a weeks it's not the best idea... And I wish to don't see electricity plane until few years too! lol

but for the moment, electricity make his proofs... And just like gasoline, a battery cost nothing to do and cost a left arm.

[Infidel]

The best way I can imagine is by elecrticity... Where I live, we only got electricity from electric dam, so it's do even less pollution than Nuclear. Some people say electricity don't go as fast as gasoline and hydrogen, well it's no more true... You only got to watch the fastest electric car and it touch the same speed as a gasoline one... The only problem with electricity is the time it cost to regain energy... You may do 60 miles per days with a charge, when you have to do 1000 miles a weeks it's not the best idea... And I wish to don't see electricity plane until few years too! lol

but for the moment, electricity make his proofs... And just like gasoline, a battery cost nothing to do and cost a left arm.

wow. please tell me you're not from the UK or America.

[seasider]

According to the last OPEC meeting they are aiming at a oil price of $80/barrel. I'm curious to see if they will manage to raise the price until that point.

its pretty simple mate, they just cut production. as supply decreases relative demand increases. As OPEC is effectively a cartel that monopolises oil production there's no-one to undercut them. Its like in DW B games; if your cartel has all the cred sellers you can set the price at whatever you wish. However, if you set it too high you kill off demand and all those expensive creds will sit there unused. The Oil cartel gets around this by reducing production of their finite resource so they are producing as much as is being bought at the highest price they can sell for