Homosexuals/bisexuals *poll included*

[Canadiana]

I wanna know who all is either homophobic or just hates gays/lesbians/bisexuals. If you are please state your reasons and you may select more then 1 option on the poll.

[SeanPatrick]

i wouldn't mind having a bisexual girlfriend for awhile..... better chance of having a 3some

[Boycey07]

why do you care? looks like an attempt to cause more conflict

[j_dogg42065]

i wouldn't mind having a bisexual girlfriend for awhile..... better chance of having a 3some


AMEN brotha! And I agree with boycey... this will cause one hell of a debate. Why even start a thread like this?

[Canadiana]

I have my reasons boycey. Stop talking out of ignorance and stupidity. After enough posts I'll give mine.

AMEN brotha! And I agree with boycey... this will cause one hell of a debate. Why even start a thread like this?

It was brought up in dw's and so I want to know. Unless you play more then just gc you wouldn't know. Stay on topic and private message me your concerns.

[Boycey07]

I have my reasons boycey. Stop talking out of ignorance and stupidity. After enough posts I'll give mine.

show me my ignorance and stupidity

it was a statement, the fact you've replied with that pretty much confirms what i first thought, grow up and stop trying to alienate people and cause conflicts

go masturbate if you're that bored

[Canadiana]

I bring it up because it includes me. Ignorance and stupidity like I said. I am bisexual and have a right to know who hates me or people like me. I've even been open about it in game talks in gc. I don't feel alienated and I'm not asking people who swing that way to respond am I?

[j_dogg42065]

It was brought up in dw's and so I want to know. Unless you play more then just gc you wouldn't know. Stay on topic and private message me your concerns.


Damn. Don't be a douche

[Canadiana]

Damn. Don't be a douche

I'm not. I just want to know who is scared of/hates me or people like me. And maybe I can alieviate some of the fears or hatreds

[Boycey07]

and others like you may not want to know, they might not wanna find a list of gay bashers who they thought were friends

and you know full well this'll end in conflict

so go masturbate if you're that bored, have fun

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

i have no issues with homosexuals unless they disrespect me by hitting on me when i make it clear im straight

[Canadiana]

and others like you may not want to know, they might not wanna find a list of gay bashers who they thought were friends

and you know full well this'll end in conflict

so go masturbate if you're that bored, have fun

This topic may seem immature and stupid now but in time you'll understand it. All I'm asking is for honesty.

[Boycey07]

This topic may seem immature and stupid now but in time you'll understand it. All I'm asking is for honesty.

i dont want to understand why homophobes are homophobes, frankly i dont give a shit

[j_dogg42065]

I'm not. I just want to know who is scared of/hates me or people like me. And maybe I can alieviate some of the fears or hatreds



wow, i didn't know you were gay. i've always liked ya though. but me having an extreme hatred for homos won't effect my judgement on you, i still like ya.

[Canadiana]

i dont want to understand why homophobes are homophobes, frankly i dont give a shit

Then ignore the topic. Simple solution to your simple problem.

wow, i didn't know you were gay. i've always liked ya though. but me having an extreme hatred for homos won't effect my judgement on you, i still like ya.

I thank you for that. Often times hatreds are just results of fear for the different. I myself won't hit on you ever for fear of alienating you and making you hate me. Homosexuals are really nice people.

[j_dogg42065]

I thank you for that. Often times hatreds are just results of fear for the different. I myself won't hit on you ever for fear of alienating you and making you hate me. Homosexuals are really nice people.


The only fears I have of them are that if I get hit on by one, I don't think I could hold myself back from beating the fuck out of them. And God knows I don't need to go back to jail

[Boycey07]

Then ignore the topic. Simple solution to your simple problem.

its plain for me to see that you obviously cant grasp the point i was making, so stop worrying your head with my posts

[Canadiana]

The only fears I have of them are that if I get hit on by one, I don't think I could hold myself back from beating the fuck out of them. And God knows I don't need to go back to jail

Though you may not like us hitting on you, you can also take it as a compliment that someone thinks you so attractive.

its plain for me to see that you obviously cant grasp the point i was making, so stop worrying your head with my posts

I got the point you're making. I got it earlier. But while I think it wise of you to make such comments, this is not something I can just quit in the middle of doing.

[jim 1]

I hate everybody.:grin:

[j_dogg42065]

Though you may not like us hitting on you, you can also take it as a compliment that someone thinks you so attractive.


If other guys find me attractive, then I need to get acne or something. I don't take it as a compliment that another dude thinks i'm hot, sorry, that is more of an insult to me

[Canadiana]

I'm aware of that Jim

[Boycey07]

I got the point you're making. I got it earlier. But while I think it wise of you to make such comments, this is not something I can just quit in the middle of doing.

if you had said that earlier it woulda saved us both some typing

[Canadiana]

If other guys find me attractive, then I need to get acne or something. I don't take it as a compliment that another dude thinks i'm hot, sorry, that is more of an insult to me

Chances are if a guy finds you attractive he'll talk to his female friends about you. Then you'll get noticed by more women who will tell their female friends and the cycle continues.

if you had said that earlier it woulda saved us both some typing

I'm sorry I made it seem like I was a hard-ass...(No pun intended). But I haven't even told my parents I'm bisexual cause my dad hates and fears us so fiercely

[Boycey07]

I'm sorry I made it seem like I was a hard-ass...(No pun intended). But I haven't even told my parents I'm bisexual cause my dad hates and fears us so fiercely

gl with that 1 and dont tell him until you can afford to get your own place, incase the worst happens

[HolenDahed]

can we get an i dont care option on the polls and in my case i dont mind homosexual womem but homosexual men can be kinda.........:blink: IMO at times but maybe thats cause i never thought takin it in the pooper and banging balls is erotic. Ive shared chicks with my cousins and lemme tell ya heads or tails thats just way to much penis involved sexually for my taste so i guess in sense yea i am a homophobe :hidey:

[doublethink]

Women like men who are comfortable with their own sexuality, and besides, hardly anyone wants to flirt with someone who hates them, tell them they make you uncomfortable and they will back off.

[Canadiana]

Women like men who are comfortable with their own sexuality, and besides, hardly anyone wants to flirt with someone who hates them, tell them they make you uncomfortable and they will back off.

Yes that tends to be the case more often then not lol. I know from experience.

[fire]

i have always loved you and known that you was..much respect for you...its the ones who dont understand the way peeps feel that have a problem with it.or that they are and just try to hide it from themselves and others..i can understand why some dont come clean about it..there are alot of peeps in this world who..have alot of hate for anything thats not with the way they think live should be... you know the ones who think they know it all..from the beginin of time there have been peeps who have been Homosexuals..its a way of life....some have been hurt young that have made them that way .. and some that was born that way...who are we to hate anything that we have no clue why or what has happen to make a person that way...if we hate someone for what they want be it man or woman then we are the sad ones..

lovin u my blaze

[tupac]

I'm sorry I made it seem like I was a hard-ass...(No pun intended). But I haven't even told my parents I'm bisexual cause my dad hates and fears us so fiercely

ya dont have 2 answer if im being 2 personal, but could it be that u think/made ur self gay just to rebel against ur dad? r maybe u just wanted to show ppl ur sensitive. cause my believe is that no one is born gay, its learned same as no1 is born smart or born with anything at all, if ya get my meaning?

2 keep on topic i use 2 be homafo, till i grew up wif a mentality of "u do ur thing and il do my thing". i dont hated nobody no more, welther its natzi r wot ever just as long as they dont hate on me. but i couldnt watch 2 guys kiss, dont mind it just as long as i never see it. love watchin bitches buckin like fuck tho lol(H)

[Canadiana]

ya dont have 2 answer if im being 2 personal, but could it be that u think/made ur self gay just to rebel against ur dad? r maybe u just wanted to show ppl ur sensitive. cause my believe is that no one is born gay, its learned same as no1 is born smart or born with anything at all, if ya get my meaning?

2 keep on topic i use 2 be homafo, till i grew up wif a mentality of "u do ur thing and il do my thing". i dont hated nobody no more, welther its natzi r wot ever just as long as they dont hate on me. but i couldnt watch 2 guys kiss, dont mind it just as long as i never see it. love watchin bitches buckin like fuck tho lol(H)

You are entitled to your beliefs and ways of life. I'm not trying to force change on anyone. But I would like there to be a greater understanding for all people.

I'm not trying to think myself or make myself bisexual. For as long as I can remember I've been this way. Long before I knew of my dads feelings towards people who are different like this.

[wats_up]

Im gay

[Canadiana]

Im gay

For some reason I have trouble believing this

[wats_up]

For some reason I have trouble believing this

Nah for real.Well Id say 75% for women and 25% men, but still that makes me gay I guess

[Canadiana]

More or less you'd be bisexual. Bisexual with a leaning towards women.

[mr.dangerous]

i have a friend from school who is gay and he was reluctant to tell me because he thought i wouldnt want to be his friend anymore. i have a lot of respect for you to be able to tell your friends and family about your sexuality as it takes a lot to do. i personally havnt got a problem with whether someone has different colour skin, is disabled, has one eye or whatever we are all human beings and are the same.

the only thing i will say is that 'if' the bible is true and 'god' wished there to be homosexuality in the world maybe there wouldve been an 'adam and adam' and an 'eve and eve'. i personally dont believe in the bible anyway.

i hope ive showed you where i stand. cheers, damo.

[Canadiana]

i have a friend from school who is gay and he was reluctant to tell me because he thought i wouldnt want to be his friend anymore. i have a lot of respect for you to be able to tell your friends and family about your sexuality as it takes a lot to do. i personally havnt got a problem with whether someone has different colour skin, is disabled, has one eye or whatever we are all human beings and are the same.

the only thing i will say is that 'if' the bible is true and 'god' wished there to be homosexuality in the world maybe there wouldve been an 'adam and adam' and an 'eve and eve'. i personally dont believe in the bible anyway.

i hope ive showed you where i stand. cheers, damo.

I don't put much stock in the bible either because I think if god didn't want people to be homosexual then he probably wouldn't have created man.

[Gully Knuckles]

I wanna know who all is either homophobic or just hates gays/lesbians/bisexuals. If you are please state your reasons and you may select more then 1 option on the poll.

I dont really like them cause Im a catholic and their spiting in gods face

[EAGLE]

moved to serious discussion section.Redirect left here for 1 day.

[HolenDahed]

what does a woman provide sexually that a man wont for you and i know its not really my business but what role do you play in terms of sex with each do you play or prefer i should say ?

[Calienta]

the only thing i will say is that 'if' the bible is true and 'god' wished there to be homosexuality in the world maybe there wouldve been an 'adam and adam' and an 'eve and eve'. i personally dont believe in the bible anyway.


I think there is probably a large gap between what the bible says and what God thinks, if there is in fact a God. Don't forget the bible was written by men, who were in all probability extremely homophobic, given the time.

If there is a God, I would think he would love all of his creations ... Isn't that what we are taught to believe? So if anyone considers a gay/bisexual person to be a 'mistake' ... Surely he would love them just as much because they were his mistake? The story of Adam and Eve is set out that way because only a man and woman can reproduce. However, I don't think that two men or two women together is against 'God's wishes'. The story isn't told like that because obviously ... Adam and Adam wouldn't have been able to create the human race without a couple of Eves lying around.

I am agnostic, but I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here ...

Also, @ HolenDahed ... You can't help who you're attracted to. We could ask why you prefer women to men, what can they do for you sexually that a man can't? :) Besides having breasts, of course ...

[fire]

I dont really like them cause Im a catholic and their spiting in gods face

what about the ones who are born with both sex organs? God made them that way..some think they are an abomination. how do they know what sex they are? its who they are attracted to that they know...

i have been around my youngest son all his life...he isnt like other little boys..
i have never said anything to him but i think he will be gay when he is older..i find nothing wronge with that...i have always let them pick the path they want to follow....im Wiccan they are christian....i could be wronge about him...which ever way he goes i will always love and be proud of him..

[scissorknot]

Being that I am bisexual and I am not a self loathing bisexual it would be kind of weird of me to hate someone because they are gay or bi.

[Quaker]

wow, what a weird thread.

[zayin]

yeah. gay girls=hot. gay guys... w/e. they dont really bother me unless they hit on my after i ask them to stop. also guy pda=no no. i dont really like seeing pda with a girl and a guy. just not really a place you should do it. i only think girl pda is ok because i find it attractive, cant help what i'm attracted to can i? and yes i'm a christian and i believe in what most of the Bible says, but it was written by men and men picked what would be put into the Bible, so obviously there are some mistakes.

[wetzelsix]

I wonder what the ages of the people who wrote "I don't hate gays, unless they hit on me" are? My guess is about sixteen, because I was that naive when I was sixteen too. I have since grown up and realized that if a gay man hits on me it is probably because I am in a gay bar. Gay men and women have gaydar and know if you are or are not, so if you are not, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Like the person for who they are and not who they sleep with.

[Flashman]

I wish gay guys would hit on me :(

[HolenDahed]

I wonder what the ages of the people who wrote "I don't hate gays, unless they hit on me" are? My guess is about sixteen, because I was that naive when I was sixteen too. I have since grown up and realized that if a gay man hits on me it is probably because I am in a gay bar. Gay men and women have gaydar and know if you are or are not, so if you are not, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Like the person for who they are and not who they sleep with.

not completely true my friend, i wasnt in a gay bar and a gay dude tried to knock me off and at the time i was pissed but my homeboys girl made me look at it a different way she said "damn i wish i was fine enough that men and women tried to get on me" to which i was:roflmao:. and if you met me i bet you would never think im gay or bi for that matter but like i say its not my cup of tea Canadiana listen here i hope ive never hurt you with my views on sexuality but if i ever have i never meant to you or anyone else for that matter.

[tuna_monkey]

Being that I am bisexual and I am not a self loathing bisexual it would be kind of weird of me to hate someone because they are gay or bi.

ditto :)

and Canadiana goodluck with the coming out. I still haven't brought it up with my parents, and they're not homophobic :\ I'm pretty sure they're not dense enough to not have figured it out by now :P When I came out to other people I pretty much got 2 responses
1. "I know"
2. "You're not a dyke??"

[zayin]

well we know his opinion

[Sir Brian]

well we know his opinion

ie!!!!
;)

[Gully Knuckles]

Im gay

LMAO so whats the real reason girls call you poleroid?????

[Dymond]

OK just so I have the gender right Canadiana is a guy or a girl?

[Gully Knuckles]

I don't put much stock in the bible either because I think if god didn't want people to be homosexual then he probably wouldn't have created man.

you should believe it holds truth and god didn't want homosexuals however he did give us free will but make no mistake he will judge you in your next life for what you do in this life also this poll need more options I didn't vote because I dont hate gays however I don't necessarily approve/like them so make another option for people that simply dont approve of their lifestyle

[Quaker]

...dont approve of their lifestyle

What lifestyle?

Always wondered what that meant "their lifestyle"...

[Ricecracker420]

how can anyone hate homosexuals? I have quite a few gay/lesbian/bi friends, and they're all great people

[Ruffio]

i dont have a problem with peoples sexuality, and i dont believe homosexuality is a sin or anything, but i feel really homophobic when it seems like someone of the same gender wants to be more than friends.

[Asshole]

Two posts deleted? guess asshole is not allowed his opinoin here, unless its needed by my members of staff. :glare:

[Smash Bros]

you should believe it holds truth and god didn't want homosexuals however he did give us free will but make no mistake he will judge you in your next life for what you do in this life also this poll need more options I didn't vote because I dont hate gays however I don't necessarily approve/like them so make another option for people that simply dont approve of their lifestyle

i think you are an ignorant fuck.

im straight as fuck. and yes i think some people think im gay in here for my comments some times :P fuck i have people in rl that think i am gay. im not. dont bother me though.

and yes i have had guys hit on me. fuck ive gotten guys numbers before :P and i was sitting on a train on my own at the time lol.

IMHO gays/leso/bi whatever all deserve to live their life the way they want to. ive never been agains gays in anyway. BUT i will say that like everyone else some are just fucked in the head. i know a gay guy (used to live with him) and he hates straight people. i think he is fucked up. and i think alot of them are.

but hey i have much respect for anyone that can come out in rl. online i dont care. fuck it is just text really and to many people lie online to make me believe alot of what i read.

[fire]

much respect for that post...im a Daq so i guess i suck cock ...you red..lol..

lovin u

[Aeon]

How did squid vote 2x's LOL


Long live the gays!

[Don Gargon]

Basically, I couldn't care less what sick depraved things people do AT HOME, dress like a man, woman, toss a dog's salad, only do missionary... whatever none of my business... I am a lesbian (male)... but I believe in don't ask don't tell. I won't ask you dont tell, we'll never have issues. even if it slips ou as just a matter of fact.. no problem.

I do howver detest these men who act like women "flamboyent" and the women who thhink they are men (forgive my lack of vocabulary) "bull dykes"

I also want to be clear I do not hate homosexual people, I am digusted by homosexuality as a lifestyle... lesbians are only ok if i can watch (depraved man) ;)

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

this topic is exactly my issues with gays... you dont see straight people making topics bout being straight, or having straight pride parade...

they always want to play the victim or martyr and say they are opressed when its there choice to go ass spelunking....

elite noob even stated that gays are more opressed then any other people ... im sure the people in darfur and places as such would argue that..

ill even give in to the point that people cant choose to be gay or straight even so i disagree , but they can choose to out themselves and walk around with a twitch and talking with a lisp and wearing dazey dukes...

making yourself stand out is just asking to be a target no matter what it is, as long as it is different from the norm if you make it obvious your different then want to be treated the same then its ythere fault entirely.. if they acted normal and kept there business to themselves then they would have less issues overall, but no most gays have to flaunt it and act like world is against them

[JaiJai]

That was a good post Tung (Y)

I say live and let live...don't judge others...it's not our place.

And people who believe they are being looked down on or discriminated against for being gay.. they should stop pushing it in people's faces so strongly and just go live their lives. Overkill isn't' going to change minds. They need to accept that some won't like them, period.

Here's my question... Gay people say that they are born that way.. that they cannot help being attracted to the same sex..ok that's fine and that's their business..yadda yadda. But being bi-sexual would be a contradiction wouldn't it? How can they say they were born gay, and they can no longer fight it..so they give in and be with a member of the same sex..yet they also sleep with the opposite sex? Well which is it? Is it choice, or is it their genetic makeup to be gay?

[Quaker]

this topic is exactly my issues with gays... you dont see straight people making topics bout being straight, or having straight pride parade... ummm when was the last time straight people had to fight for any rights simply based on the notion that they were straight? When was the last time that a straight person was fired from a job for no reason other than being straight? When was the last time that a straight person was robbed, beaten, tortured and tied to fence left to die for no other reason than being straight?

Straight people have nothing to fight for, therefore, they have no reason to point out to the world that they exist. If you were FORCED to live your entire life in the shadows, take whatever shit people hand you and have no recourse whatsoever then you'd understand why some people feel it is important to show everyone that they do exist.

Oh and straight people make topics about being straight every single day, how many topics do we have chatting about hot chicks? How many talking about relationships? All straight topics, about being straight, intended for other straight folk.

they always want to play the victim or martyr and say they are opressed when its there choice to go ass spelunking.... For someone that is against taking it up the ass you sure seem to be pulling a lot of crap out of your ass!

From the American Psychological Association (http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#whatis)

What Causes a Person To Have a Particular Sexual Orientation?

There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual orientation. Most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality.

It's important to recognize that there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation, and the reasons may be different for different people.

Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?

No, human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight. For most people, sexual orientation emerges in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.

ill even give in to the point that people cant choose to be gay or straight even so i disagree , but they can choose to out themselves and walk around with a twitch and talking with a lisp and wearing dazey dukes... ahhh you really have no idea what most gay folk are like, but based on your previous comments it really isn't a surprise you'd say something like this. Ignorance breeds stupidity and unchallenged stupidity is even worse.

You just can't seem to get away from your stereotypes... again not surprising.

Please go off and do your rant in front of... :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9248/gayfootballcc9.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gayfootballcc9.jpg)

Flamboyant, eh?

making yourself stand out is just asking to be a target no matter what it is, as long as it is different from the norm if you make it obvious your different then want to be treated the same then its ythere fault entirely.. ahhh what a great world you live in. So it's the gay persons fault for acting like himself and not thinking of his fellow straight person's feelings? And for this reason they deserve to get beat on, ridiculed, killed?

Wow amazing logic you got going there. So bullies are the REAL victims and the people who are getting abused and killed asked for it and so they are the perpetrators.

Will add that one to my book.

if they acted normal and kept there business to themselves then they would have less issues overall, but no most gays have to flaunt it and act like world is against them

Oh you mean society isn't against them? So you mean gay people have the same rights as straight folk?

Until we have equality for everyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, gay folk have a right to go about their lives as if the world is against them because it is.

Ahhhh same old garbage over and over again...

Rather than go through all of this again why don't the lot of you just cover the previous threads, realize your bigotry isn't going to get you anywhere on this forum and move on.

Gay Marriage (http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=1798)

Civil Union's Part II (http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=5157)

If you do, however, feel like replying feel free to do so, just know you won't get any farther than you did the last few times.

;)

[scissorknot]

Here's my question... Gay people say that they are born that way.. that they cannot help being attracted to the same sex..ok that's fine and that's their business..yadda yadda. But being bi-sexual would be a contradiction wouldn't it? How can they say they were born gay, and they can no longer fight it..so they give in and be with a member of the same sex..yet they also sleep with the opposite sex? Well which is it? Is it choice, or is it their genetic makeup to be gay?

Your main flaw with this question is that you lump bisexuals and gays in to the same category when they are different. If someone is gay they are sexually attracted to members of the same sex they would not be having sex with member of the opposite sex. If they were attracted to both then they would be bisexual not homosexual.

[Ricecracker420]

+50000000 for quaker

[Canadiana]

Well spoken Quaker. Couldn't have said it better myself. Straight people don't know what it's like and so they can't tell just how tough it is. Asking us to keep it silent and behind closed doors is asking us to hide who we are and conform to societies views, which is censorship and not right.

What are we? We are gay, we are lesbians, we are bisexual or we have both sexual organs.

So Tung while I don't condemn you for your views (for you have the right to see things that way) they are incredibly one-sided.

That was a good post Tung (Y)

I say live and let live...don't judge others...it's not our place.

And people who believe they are being looked down on or discriminated against for being gay.. they should stop pushing it in people's faces so strongly and just go live their lives. Overkill isn't' going to change minds. They need to accept that some won't like them, period.

Here's my question... Gay people say that they are born that way.. that they cannot help being attracted to the same sex..ok that's fine and that's their business..yadda yadda. But being bi-sexual would be a contradiction wouldn't it? How can they say they were born gay, and they can no longer fight it..so they give in and be with a member of the same sex..yet they also sleep with the opposite sex? Well which is it? Is it choice, or is it their genetic makeup to be gay?

Jai Jai your views are also one-sided. I think the reason one of us has the right to speak as we do is cause at some point before we came out we've had to act straight. I can't say I've had as much trouble as a homosexual person, being bisexual, to act straight.

Being bisexual means we are attracted to both sex's and will choose to date those who seem best for us. I've had a few boyfriends but more girlfriends because I've been forced by society to act fully straight for a time. I've been banned from all male locker-rooms of places that know I'm bisexual. I can't use mens washrooms when there are other men in there unless the man is gay or bisexual. But at the same time I can't use the womens because I'm bisexual and still attracted to women. I don't see straight people having the same problem and so I must fight for these civil rights. The right to marry whoever we choose regardless of sexuality is something we desire because marriage is the ultimate showing of love. And I'm proud to live in Canada because Canada allows same-sex marriages.

Jai Jai you also say we are trying to overkill it to change views. Until we receive equal rights you will never hear the end of it. Here is the charter of human rights preamble:

WHEREAS every human being possesses intrinsic rights and freedoms designed to ensure his protection and development;

Whereas all human beings are equal in worth and dignity, and are entitled to equal protection of the law;

Whereas respect for the dignity of the human being and recognition of his rights and freedoms constitute the foundation of justice and peace;

Whereas the rights and freedoms of the human person are inseparable from the rights and freedoms of others and from the common well-being;

Are homosexuals not human? Are we not entitled to these rights and freedoms? I myself have been denied some of these human rights.

How did squid vote 2x's LOL


Long live the gays!

Squid voted twice cause the poll allows for multiple choices.

[Ridgeback]

Two posts deleted? guess asshole is not allowed his opinoin here, unless its needed by my members of staff. :glare:

you just need to tone down what you wrote, seeing as this is serious discussion

[Canadiana]

I wish I'd have gotten to see what he put.

[Colonel Sanders]

Haha Quaker for fucks sake. That is the same bullshit "scientific article" quote you posted oh so long ago in old forum when you were arguing me about this subject. Get some new material.

You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that dislikes gays that being gay is not a choice because of some "scientific" bullshit that is already biased in the first place.

Yer either born with a penis or vagina, not both, not none. One of the other. That is the only proof I need to back up my conscious moral conclusion that being gay is indeed a choice. Most definitely has nothing to do with biology that's for sure.

The article is flaud anyways quaker. It first says that it is most likely due to environment and complex series of social interaction; but then goes on to say it's not a choice? lol a contradiction if I have ever read one. The environment and complex social interaction is long for bad parenting, horific childhood, liberal media brainwashing, and simply hanging with the wrong crowd or friends until the human mind naturally starts adapting the same train of thought to who you hang around with all the time. The combination of those four things is how you create a gay, simple. Nothing will convince me otherwise, never...simply because of the born with 1 penis or 1 vagina argument.

[Ricecracker420]

The environment and complex social interaction is long for bad parenting, horific childhood, liberal media brainwashing, and simply hanging with the wrong crowd or friends until the human mind naturally starts adapting the same train of thought to who you hang around with all the time. The combination of those four things is how you create a gay, simple. .

So by your argument, you become gay by hanging out with gay people? That's almost like saying being gay is a disease. It's close-minded people like you that make me want to move to Canada where they respect ALL people.

[Colonel Sanders]

No that's not my argument. I never said hanging around gay people makes you gay, I never even said hanging around gays. Just people that are liberal brainwashed fools who accept these mental degenrates. Then from that the people who are "sexually confused" become more comfortable and realize, from their point of view, that there really is nothing wrong with it then that may be the push they need to go fully gay and live that lifestyle.


Also the little statement about Canada is LOL. Jesus Christ you must be a child if you are going to stereotype a whole country with something so silly as that. Since when are opinions relegated to a certain Country? fool

[Quaker]

Haha Quaker for fucks sake. That is the same bullshit "scientific article" quote you posted oh so long ago in old forum when you were arguing me about this subject. Get some new material.

You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that dislikes gays that being gay is not a choice because of some "scientific" bullshit that is already biased in the first place. ahhh new material? Wait so you mean like you i should spout garbage out of my ass and just say it's a fact?

Sorry i like to have actual facts to back up my self. I'll take the word of the American Psychological Association any day over yours. If you can counter the point with facts then do so, otherwise you are just babbling off none-sense.

Where are the article you were going to show us to counter the above one?

I think tron is still waiting for them ;)

Yer either born with a penis or vagina, not both, not none. Ever hear of hermaphrodites? Still talking out of your ass i see.

The article is flaud anyways quaker. It first says that it is most likely due to environment and complex series of social interaction; Incorrect, the article quite clearly says: "sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors."

but then goes on to say it's not a choice? Incorrect, it goes on to say: "psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed."

Clearly two distinct points of the same argument, sexual orientation is based on many factors, all of which cannot be controlled by the person him/her self. Therefore not a choice.

lol a contradiction if I have ever read one. Incorrect, we aren't responsible for your inability to comprehend what you read.

The environment and complex social interaction is long for bad parenting, horific childhood, liberal media brainwashing, and simply hanging with the wrong crowd or friends until the human mind naturally starts adapting the same train of thought to who you hang around with all the time. Really, so hanging around bad kids all of a sudden makes one gay? Have any facts to back that up?

So bad parenting creates gay kids? So why aren't both kids in a family gay if this is the case? Have any facts to back yourself up?

So wait, liberal media makes one gay? So why aren't all liberals gay? Have any facts to back yourself up?

I grew up in a very religious, conservative household. Never been in any kind of trouble, never with the wrong crowd and so based on your logic, what made me gay?

Nothing will convince me otherwise, never...simply because of the born with 1 penis or 1 vagina argument.

:hehe: wait what is the argument again? So if i were to cut off your penis you would no longer be attracted to a woman?

Please think out your stories fully next time before posting ;)

[Asshole]

This thread makes me laugh..

Im not a homophobe.. that implies im scared of gays, I merley dislike them.. and i have 2 very good reasons.

1. Gay guy lives in the town i live in, spread rumours about two mates of mine, telling everyone they had sucked him off and he had returned the favour.. LIES!, And he was harrasing me for probably 3 ish weeks until i heard he was starting the same rumour about me so i went and kicked his front door in..

Thanksyou mr policeman 2 nights in jail.. because some assbandit was following me, harrassing me via phone and text and spreading malicious rumours about me.. i took steps to defend myself after the police showed no interest.. i got banged up. because he phoned them and said i was harrassing and intimidating him for being gay.

Who has less rights??

2. Out at a club, some tranny started chatting my mate up.. he thought its was funny and laughed it off, this guy went out of his way to keep interacting with my clearly straight friend who was not interested.. my mate went to the toilet, we dident see him for 20 minutes.. Luckily we caught sight of him "walking" out the door with this tranny.. unfortunatley he wasent walking.. he was being dragged.. the prick date raped him..

a night in hospital for my mate.. thankyou mr transexual.. who never even got taken to prison.

Who has less rights ?


And actually a 3rd too.. a tranny who looked convincingly like a female in all fairness chatted my extremely mate up and took him down an alley.. we had to rush in and grab him before he started getting a blowjob.. as we were a lot more sober and could see the truth..

Im not saying they should wear billboards, but deceiving someone like that is just wrong..

Hence i strongly dislike gays.. im not scared of them, and if one approaches me and i say not interested, he better be fucking off because if he continues to try chatting me up ill save myself some hassle.


Its laughable gays still parade for thier rights.. tungs right, they just crow for attention.. "LOOK AT ME IM GAY!!" Well no-one gives a shit..

[Dymond]

ummm when was the last time straight people had to fight for any rights simply based on the notion that they were straight? When was the last time that a straight person was fired from a job for no reason other than being straight? When was the last time that a straight person was robbed, beaten, tortured and tied to fence left to die for no other reason than being straight?

Straight people have nothing to fight for, therefore, they have no reason to point out to the world that they exist. If you were FORCED to live your entire life in the shadows, take whatever shit people hand you and have no recourse whatsoever then you'd understand why some people feel it is important to show everyone that they do exist.

Oh and straight people make topics about being straight every single day, how many topics do we have chatting about hot chicks? How many talking about relationships? All straight topics, about being straight, intended for other straight folk.

For someone that is against taking it up the ass you sure seem to be pulling a lot of crap out of your ass!

From the American Psychological Association (http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#whatis)



ahhh you really have no idea what most gay folk are like, but based on your previous comments it really isn't a surprise you'd say something like this. Ignorance breeds stupidity and unchallenged stupidity is even worse.

You just can't seem to get away from your stereotypes... again not surprising.

Please go off and do your rant in front of... :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9248/gayfootballcc9.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gayfootballcc9.jpg)

Flamboyant, eh?

ahhh what a great world you live in. So it's the gay persons fault for acting like himself and not thinking of his fellow straight person's feelings? And for this reason they deserve to get beat on, ridiculed, killed?

Wow amazing logic you got going there. So bullies are the REAL victims and the people who are getting abused and killed asked for it and so they are the perpetrators.

Will add that one to my book.



Oh you mean society isn't against them? So you mean gay people have the same rights as straight folk?

Until we have equality for everyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, gay folk have a right to go about their lives as if the world is against them because it is.

Ahhhh same old garbage over and over again...

Rather than go through all of this again why don't the lot of you just cover the previous threads, realize your bigotry isn't going to get you anywhere on this forum and move on.

Gay Marriage (http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=1798)

Civil Union's Part II (http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=5157)

If you do, however, feel like replying feel free to do so, just know you won't get any farther than you did the last few times.

;)

WOW!! If there was a rep thread you would be getting a ton! Well said Well said!

[Calienta]

This thread makes me laugh..

Im not a homophobe.. that implies im scared of gays, I merley dislike them.. and i have 2 very good reasons.

1. Gay guy lives in the town i live in, spread rumours about two mates of mine, telling everyone they had sucked him off and he had returned the favour.. LIES!, And he was harrasing me for probably 3 ish weeks until i heard he was starting the same rumour about me so i went and kicked his front door in..

Thanksyou mr policeman 2 nights in jail.. because some assbandit was following me, harrassing me via phone and text and spreading malicious rumours about me.. i took steps to defend myself after the police showed no interest.. i got banged up. because he phoned them and said i was harrassing and intimidating him for being gay.

Who has less rights??

2. Out at a club, some tranny started chatting my mate up.. he thought its was funny and laughed it off, this guy went out of his way to keep interacting with my clearly straight friend who was not interested.. my mate went to the toilet, we dident see him for 20 minutes.. Luckily we caught sight of him "walking" out the door with this tranny.. unfortunatley he wasent walking.. he was being dragged.. the prick date raped him..

a night in hospital for my mate.. thankyou mr transexual.. who never even got taken to prison.

Who has less rights ?


And actually a 3rd too.. a tranny who looked convincingly like a female in all fairness chatted my extremely mate up and took him down an alley.. we had to rush in and grab him before he started getting a blowjob.. as we were a lot more sober and could see the truth..

Im not saying they should wear billboards, but deceiving someone like that is just wrong..

Hence i strongly dislike gays.. im not scared of them, and if one approaches me and i say not interested, he better be fucking off because if he continues to try chatting me up ill save myself some hassle.


Its laughable gays still parade for thier rights.. tungs right, they just crow for attention.. "LOOK AT ME IM GAY!!" Well no-one gives a shit..

You're missing one important fact though ... There are fuckheads everywhere, no matter their race, religion, sexual preference ... Yes, these gay people abused your friends and deserve to be punished for what they did. But men abuse/rape women all the time, women abuse men, it just happens ... You can't stereotype and think everyone of the same profile fits the bill.

[Colonel Sanders]

Apparently Quakers argument that being born gay is natural is from a genetical disorder in humans, and naturally occuring life cyle in certain animals.

Sounds to me like you are saying gays are animals. Guess I can't disagree there.

And yeah I hate gays not only because it is completely unnatural for a human and disgusting. But because of their cultural adaptations they are trying to impede on others, fucking gay pride parades and stupid shit. I'm waiting for the day I see in the news of one of those parades getting bombed. Will put a smile on my face for a long time.

[Asshole]

You're missing one important fact though ... There are fuckheads everywhere, no matter their race, religion, sexual preference ... Yes, these gay people abused your friends and deserve to be punished for what they did. But men abuse/rape women all the time, women abuse men, it just happens ... You can't stereotype and think everyone of the same profile fits the bill.

Exactly!!!

yet the whole of quakers retort to tung was saying there isnt equal rights because some people treat them like shit..

equal rights is as elusive as true freedom.. it will never ever happen, and alienating people with thier gay pride parades does not help

[Smash Bros]

ummm when was the last time straight people had to fight for any rights simply based on the notion that they were straight? When was the last time that a straight person was fired from a job for no reason other than being straight? When was the last time that a straight person was robbed, beaten, tortured and tied to fence left to die for no other reason than being straight?

straight people are robbed and beaten more then gays. just cause you want to focus on the gays more means you see more gays being beaten etc. they are also fired from jobs all the time. once again if you focus on 1 part you will only see that part. ohh and you cant fire some one cause of their sexual orientation. and if they lied about it in an interview then that is a fair reason to be fired. it states it somewhere(will find when net is working properly)

Straight people have nothing to fight for, therefore, they have no reason to point out to the world that they exist. If you were FORCED to live your entire life in the shadows, take whatever shit people hand you and have no recourse whatsoever then you'd understand why some people feel it is important to show everyone that they do exist.

Black people are mostly straight(same as most of the world) they had to fight for rights, so did women, ethnics, fuck alot of people have done so. and no they do not need to show everyone they exist. everyone knows they do. if they stfu about it a bit then maybe, just maybe they would be left alone a little bit. this aint the fucking 30's where you get killed about it.

Oh and straight people make topics about being straight every single day, how many topics do we have chatting about hot chicks? How many talking about relationships? All straight topics, about being straight, intended for other straight folk.

a trhead about chatting up hot chicks could involve lesbians. they have the same sexual preference as most males. meaning they can join in on that. just because gay males cant join in, but wait they can join in with the females talking about hot males.... omg they might be able to fit in :O:O we cant have that then they wouldnt be able to bitch about it:O:O:O

For someone that is against taking it up the ass you sure seem to be pulling a lot of crap out of your ass!


hmmmm so do you from the looks of this.....



From the American Psychological Association (http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#whatis)



ahhh you really have no idea what most gay folk are like, but based on your previous comments it really isn't a surprise you'd say something like this. Ignorance breeds stupidity and unchallenged stupidity is even worse.


and you know what most straight folk are like??? and to quote you: based on your previous comments it really isn't a surprise you'd say something like this. Ignorance breeds stupidity and unchallenged stupidity is even worse.


You just can't seem to get away from your stereotypes... again not surprising.


you are stereotyping alot of people with this post. so if i was you id stfu

Please go off and do your rant in front of... :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9248/gayfootballcc9.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gayfootballcc9.jpg)

Flamboyant, eh?


ahhh so you can show pics of gays that are acting all manly??? why not go look at some of the gays that actually act flamboyant. i tihnk you will then find out that that was waht tung commented on.


ahhh what a great world you live in. So it's the gay persons fault for acting like himself and not thinking of his fellow straight person's feelings? And for this reason they deserve to get beat on, ridiculed, killed?

no but it is their fault for bringing notice to themselves. and as we have established gays/lesos that do not act like they are king shit usually do not get touched at all. if they are killed i would say that they would of desereved it/or not based on why they were killed



Wow amazing logic you got going there. So bullies are the REAL victims and the people who are getting abused and killed asked for it and so they are the perpetrators.


bullies are victims. but for different resaons. ohh and there has been studies on that aswell. i know because i used to be on a bullie council at school(we dealt with them). and some people who are abused and killed asked for it. you should really learn not to steryotype people.


Will add that one to my book.



Oh you mean society isn't against them? So you mean gay people have the same rights as straight folk?

yes they do. just they dont have the option of some of the things straight people do.

Until we have equality for everyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, gay folk have a right to go about their lives as if the world is against them because it is.

Ahhhh same old garbage over and over again...

Rather than go through all of this again why don't the lot of you just cover the previous threads, realize your bigotry isn't going to get you anywhere on this forum and move on.

Gay Marriage (http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=1798)

Civil Union's Part II (http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=5157)

If you do, however, feel like replying feel free to do so, just know you won't get any farther than you did the last few times.

;)

ok thats me done. if you have a problem with me answering your message instead of tung to fucking bad. if you want to bitch at me about the gays being treated different etc etc etc then stfu and stop acting as if they are better then others and deserve extra rights.

ohhh and the reason gays are treated different is cause of the major power in the world. the fucking church. you go tell mr pope why gays should be treated better and shit. and we will never see you again. but hey according to you no one will miss you cause you are gay :O

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

ummm when was the last time straight people had to fight for any rights simply based on the notion that they were straight? When was the last time that a straight person was fired from a job for no reason other than being straight? When was the last time that a straight person was robbed, beaten, tortured and tied to fence left to die for no other reason than being straight? so your saying no straight person has ever been opressed? thats just ludicrus, they might not be opressed because of it directly but many straight people have suffered cause they were black,spanish,short,skinny,protestant,arabic,blind ,handicapped....gay people do not corner the market on having been discriminated against ...life is not fair and bad things happen to everyone regardless of orientation. my thing is if your doing something that might generally not be accepted and you know will cause issues then why would you go and flaunt it...just for example even so this is not how i feel--- i might not like blacks but if i decide to walk down through the hood yelling nigger and i get my ass beat is it really there fault or my stupidity for flaunting how i feel to a crowd that might not agree with it

Straight people have nothing to fight for, therefore, they have no reason to point out to the world that they exist. If you were FORCED to live your entire life in the shadows, take whatever shit people hand you and have no recourse whatsoever then you'd understand why some people feel it is important to show everyone that they do exist.everyone everywhere has things to fight for weather for racial, social,religous or gender equality..and like i said before i might feel a certain way bout blacks or white or such but if i put my personal beleifs out in the wrong area and i know its not generally accepted is it not my fault... and main point i was trying to make is not that its wrong to be gay but a lot of gays seem to think there martyrs just cause it was there choice to dress or talk feminine... just cause your dating or sleeping with the same sex doesnt cause your voice to change and act all fruity..

Oh and straight people make topics about being straight every single day, how many topics do we have chatting about hot chicks? How many talking about relationships? All straight topics, about being straight, intended for other straight folk.ok so say its not my choice to be racist, but if i make a racist thread espousing my beliefs i instantly get hated on and called the worse scum in the world even banned and people wanting to cut off my head...the thing is gays know they will generally get a mixed feedback but they never seem to focus on the positive but will harp on anyone who doesnt agree with there sexual orientation, but once again its not bout what they do , its about how alot of them carry themselves.. i mean if your gay and make a gay thread you better be prepared to hear the good along with the bad.. the same with almost any thread where your supporting a lifestyle or point of view thats not entirely accepted by humanity

For someone that is against taking it up the ass you sure seem to be pulling a lot of crap out of your ass!well thats disgusting also , the ass was not made as a sexual organ even so alot of people use it as such..its where fecal matter and body waste get relieved from...you can post all you want bout how its genetic or people cant chose not to be gay., but they can sure choose not to stick a dick up there ass or stick theres up anothers

From the American Psychological Association (http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#whatis)



ahhh you really have no idea what most gay folk are like, but based on your previous comments it really isn't a surprise you'd say something like this. Ignorance breeds stupidity and unchallenged stupidity is even worse.i know what the gay folks i see are like, i know not all are dazy duke wearing , lisping feminine talking, flamboyant, clowns. and i usually dont have an issue with them , the issue i have is that alot of gays seem to think its perfectly fine to push there lifestyle on people that dont want it and immediately expect to be accepted. maybe the gay community should get on the flamboyant female talking liverace acting for portraying a negative sterotype that many people view all gays as.... i mean if you look at say for example the black commmunity the upstanding black folk will complain bout the baggy pants wearing wannabe thugs cause it reinforces negative sterotypes but i have yet to see one gay say anything bad bout some liberace acting gay

You just can't seem to get away from your stereotypes... again not surprising. see above

Please go off and do your rant in front of... :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9248/gayfootballcc9.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gayfootballcc9.jpg)

Flamboyant, eh?

ahhh what a great world you live in. So it's the gay persons fault for acting like himself and not thinking of his fellow straight person's feelings? And for this reason they deserve to get beat on, ridiculed, killed?and like i said if i decided to act myself and went yeling nigger or spic everywhere would you gays support me cause its myself and how i feel ?.. its funny you make it seem that its every homosexual person who gets beat up or killed cause there gay when in actuality its a very small number compared to the amount of people that get beat up cause there white or black or african... this is point i am always trying to make.. you gays make it seem like your the only victims in the world and that the whole world should accept how you act and not be upset bout it or disagree.. im not saying its right that gays get beat up or whatever , but its also not right that peple get beat up or killed cause of race or gender and you gays do not corner the market on ass whoopings.....also no matter what reason a gay gets beat up they say its cause there gay. i know many a gay person thats a smartass or they will push boundrys by hitting on straight people and disrespect the straight people even when told no not interested..well dont go crying its cause your gay when you get slugged for acting like a dickhead...yes there is even gay assholes, not all gays are perfect as you make it seem

Wow amazing logic you got going there. So bullies are the REAL victims and the people who are getting abused and killed asked for it and so they are the perpetrators.

Will add that one to my book.



Oh you mean society isn't against them? So you mean gay people have the same rights as straight folk?well it took 400 years for black folk to get the same rights and most still dont have it so stop bitching cause the american flag isnt pastel after a few weeks and no you gays havent had 1/1000th the struggle and discrimination as a lot of ethnic and relgious groups

Until we have equality for everyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, gay folk have a right to go about their lives as if the world is against them because it is.as stated a ton of ties before ,,EVERYONE IS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.. you gays choose to play the victim role and will usually be treated as such

Ahhhh same old garbage over and over again...

Rather than go through all of this again why don't the lot of you just cover the previous threads, realize your bigotry isn't going to get you anywhere on this forum and move on.see that right there is discrimiatory, maybe "we cant help how we feel bout gays" just like you cant help being gay. its wrong to call people bigots cause they were raised and always beleive that its supposed to be man and women not man and man....if everyone were gay humanity would end in 1 generation... so all you gays bitching bout straight people and how we treat you, you guys need to chill cause you are the ones adopting the straight peoples kids to make your family when you cant make one yourself cause your doing something that nature didnt intend you to do

Gay Marriage (http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=1798)

Civil Union's Part II (http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=5157)

If you do, however, feel like replying feel free to do so, just know you won't get any farther than you did the last few times.

;)

thing is i seen people willing to bend on a point or 2 or agree with you on a point or 2.. its you that is hard headed and set agaist any sort of compromise short 100% total acceptance of gays, even tho no other group of minorities has or will ever be accepted 100%

[tuna_monkey]

if they acted normal and kept there business to themselves then they would have less issues overall, but no most gays have to flaunt it and act like world is against them
I spent a decent part of my life trying to be straight, not flaunting my sexuality at all. I still got shit for being a dyke merely because I wasn't making out with guys in the hall all the time.

Out at a club, some tranny started chatting my mate up.. he thought its was funny and laughed it off, this guy went out of his way to keep interacting with my clearly straight friend who was not interested.. my mate went to the toilet, we dident see him for 20 minutes.. Luckily we caught sight of him "walking" out the door with this tranny.. unfortunatley he wasent walking.. he was being dragged.. the prick date raped him..

a night in hospital for my mate.. thankyou mr transexual.. who never even got taken to prison.

Who has less rights ?
This is hardly an argument that straight people have less rights. It's disgusting how often similar things happen to people of every orientation.

a tranny who looked convincingly like a female in all fairness chatted my extremely mate up and took him down an alley.. we had to rush in and grab him before he started getting a blowjob.. as we were a lot more sober and could see the truth..

Im not saying they should wear billboards, but deceiving someone like that is just wrong..
So what you're saying is...they should wear billboards...
You're mate prolly missed out on one of the better blow jobs he'd get ;) The tranny was merely being herself, I hardly think she's to blame for you and your mates closed mindedness.

straight people are robbed and beaten more then gays.
Straight people aren't typically robbed and beaten due to their orientation though. Also do you have a statistic to back this up? I'm curious how the percentages break down, if only 10% of the population is gay (and I believe it's even lower if you just count those that are out) it should be a given that the number of attacks on gays would be significantly less that those on straights.

you cant fire some one cause of their sexual orientation. and if they lied about it in an interview then that is a fair reason to be fired. it states it somewhere(will find when net is working properly)
Management can't use orientation as a reason to fire you, but they can choose to fire you based on your orientation and then dig up some other bullshit reason to fire you. I'm reasonably certain that the reason I was fired from my first job was my orientation and I wasn't even out yet. I worked for an extremely conservative born again Christian. The manager that usually did the scheduling liked me, but as soon as she went on maternity leave the other one took over. The first week she was in charge I worked my usual friday shift and checked the schedule to see that I had my usual again the next week. Between those 2 shifts she changed the schedule and didn't tell me (or call me on the day of my shift to ask where I was or anything). I got fired for missing a shift that I had no way of knowing I had. She tried to pass it off as something she didn't want to do, saying "I'm sorry, but we just can't keep you on after you skipped a shift, the company won't let me make exceptions". I know it was bullshit because somebody else skipped at least 2 shifts while I worked there and was still working after I left.

As for the part about lying about your orientation in an interview being grounds for dismissal, I'm reasonably certain the interviewer isn't allowed to ask questions that reveal orientation.

Black people are mostly straight(same as most of the world) they had to fight for rights, so did women, ethnics, fuck alot of people have done so. and no they do not need to show everyone they exist. everyone knows they do. if they stfu about it a bit then maybe, just maybe they would be left alone a little bit.
Please tell me you don't actually believe this. Have you heard of the civil rights movement? You know, when large groups of black people gathered and marched to bring attention to injustice they were facing...How about the feminist movement? (Contrary to what you might think I'm not actually a crazy feminist that's gonna insist on things like using the word herstory etc) Women wouldn't have the right to vote if it weren't for them calling attention to their existence as equal beings. I agree some gay people take it a little far in sharing their sex life with the rest of the world, but so do straight people. Sitting back and pretending everything is fine never gets anybody anywhere.

this aint the fucking 30's where you get killed about it.
It's not the 30's, but people still get killed for their orientation

Oh you mean society isn't against them? So you mean gay people have the same rights as straight folk?

yes they do. just they dont have the option of some of the things straight people do.
ummm...this just makes no sense whatsoever...perhaps you can explain?

[JaiJai]

Check this link out..it's regarding the penalties around the world for being homosexual. Click on the different countries..it's stunning how they vary to such extents: And note..there are no specific penalties for women/women...only for homosexuals in general and men/men specifically.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_laws_of_the_world#Africa

[Candi]

Quaker you have props from me for that and Tuna same to you.
Between the two of you I've had a paradigm shift in opinions (not about gays though, I already accepted them - I had issues with their parades for other reasons, but I see the necessity as a celebration of a unique culture and the diversity we are lucky enough to have as human beings).
~
Not wanting to plough through the 4 pages I just read to pick up the quotes I would like to argue I will just paraphrase and not use names:
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1. Major power in the world is the church.

This i would like to whole heartedly contest. First I will admit yes Christian beliefs make of a great deal of Western beliefs (specifically in the founding beliefs that went into the countries) as well as most European countries (I can't speak with authority on that however as my stay in Europe was brief and confined to Italy - which is a bit biased basis for judging European Religious views). Just because there is a lot of something does not mean it is the right thing. There were a lot of Nazi's - but something about genocide is wrong. So why is it ok if its gays? Yea I know, they aren't being slain by the thousands and held up in concentration camps - but they are being discriminated and killed. In fact, if some extremist conservative Christians had their way they would be lined up and killed... Didn't we all unite against someone for trying this before against a minority group?

2. Gays do have equal rights.

Do and should are two vastly different ideas. Just because the constitution says all Humans have equal rights does not mean that humans experience equal rights. When GLBTQ's --(Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transsexuals, Queers .. it's longer now but that's all I know, easier to refer to everyone who is discriminated against with that instead of gays because it's not inclusive or not straight because that suggests being straight is normal and those who aren't are in error)-- have to hide their identity for fear of being outlawed, harassed and possibly even killed, because they are afraid of their own parents, their best friends, their teachers and everyone else that may or may not hate them for no good reason I think we have a rights issue. Straight people are straight out front and have no worries about that - GLBTQ's are in the closet because they are afraid to come out. I thought humans had equal rights?
You might say "well they have the rights just you can't control everyone's opinions"
Well, then lets look at things that the government - who is supposed to enforce these rights - control. Gay Marriage (yea yea, we have that now - or do we?) I believe in the last Canadian federal election part of the Conservative platform was a promise to attempt to over throw that ruling of the Supreme Court that Gay Civil Marriage was legal... I know, politicians are liers but the fact that they said that means we still have issues.
A large portion of US states still has laws against sodomy - what is that for equal rights? And, if you ask me, there's no reason for that because if you do your research it can be a good and fun experience for straight people to share (man and woman), though the issue is with male on male relations...
We are far from equal rights - both on an individual and political level. At the very least every human being irregardless of race, gender, sexual orientation or political stance should have equal rights in terms of laws. There should be no law against sodomy, there should be civil marriage for all (notice, I don't want the church to allow marriage, I want the state to allow marriage, no one can make the church do anything - different story though).
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And as JaiJai has previously shown we are far from equality.
As for the notice that it's mainly male/male homosexuality that is punished it's because we live in a phallocentric world in which straight, Christian men hold influential positions in government and have since Christianity conquered Rome.
For some strange reason they all have this double standard that male/male is morally wrong but female/female is perfectly fine. I imagine it's because they are hypocrites because all of the arguments that hold any ground against male/male homosexuality can easily be applied to homosexuality in general...

[Quaker]

Apparently Quakers argument that being born gay is natural is from a genetical disorder in humans, and naturally occuring life cyle in certain animals. Again for the third time, speaking out of your ass eh?

What is it with homophobes and their amusement with pulling information out of their ass?

When was disorder mentioned?

Again, don't reply until you have some facts to back yourself up.



I'm waiting for the day I see in the news of one of those parades getting bombed. Will put a smile on my face for a long time.

Just preserving another wonderful quote from you. I'll give you a special chapter in my book.

Oh the irony.... gay = bad, kill gay = good.

Ahh yes, you are truly one to talk about morals...

straight people are robbed and beaten more then gays. just cause you want to focus on the gays more means you see more gays being beaten etc. Incorrect, as a total percentage of the population, gay people are harassed much more than straight people purely based on sexual orientation.

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Crimes against straight people consists of roughly .03% of the total crimes committed against people solely based on their sexual orientation. While I agree with you that it exists, it is no where near proportional, or even more than that of crimes against LGBTQ people.

they are also fired from jobs all the time. once again if you focus on 1 part you will only see that part. Incorrect, I was focusing on the point that was brought up, and you make a good addition. We need sexual orientation to be added to FederalCivil Rights law so that people, regardless of sexual orientation, can’t get fired purely based on sexual orientation ohh and you cant fire some one cause of their sexual orientation. Incorrect, go read up on the Federal Civil Rights laws on the books right now, specifically:

Federal Law

Although a broad umbrella of federal laws protects people from workplace discrimination on the basis of race, national origin, sex, age, and disability, those facing discrimination based on sexual orientation have largely been left out in the rain -- at least at the national level. There is no federal law that specifically outlaws workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in the private sector -- although federal government workers are currently protected from such discrimination. (Attempts to pass a piece of federal legislation that would outlaw sexual orientation discrimination in private workplaces, known as the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, or ENDA, have been unsuccessful to date.)

That said, however, many states, counties etc. have their own laws preventing job discrimination based on sexual orientation.

State Laws

At the state level, there is more cause for hope. Fifteen states and the District of Columbia have laws that currently prohibit sexual orientation discrimination in both public and private jobs: California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Wisconsin. Illinois has also passed such a law that will go into effect on January 1, 2006. And in Oregon, while no state law has been passed to prohibit sexual orientation discrimination in private employment, at least one court case found that sexual orientation discrimination is prohibited under the state's constitution (Tanner v. Oregon Health Sciences University, 157 Ore. App. 502, 971 P.2d 435 (1998)).

In addition, seven states have laws prohibiting sexual orientation discrimination in public workplaces only: Colorado, Delaware, Indiana, Michigan, Montana, Pennsylvania, and Washington.

Link (http://employment.findlaw.com/employment/employment-employee-discrimination-harassment/employment-employee-gay-lesbian-discrimination.html)

and if they lied about it in an interview then that is a fair reason to be fired. it states it somewhere(will find when net is working properly) Incorrect, in states where sexual orientation is a protected value then employers do not LEGALLY have the right to fire someone because of sexual orientation. Also, legally speaking, in those states with protection for sexual orientation, asking ones orientation is not allowed for the basis of hiring and so lying about it would not be an issue.

Black people are mostly straight(same as most of the world) they had to fight for rights, so did women, ethnics, fuck alot of people have done so. And your point is? I specifically asked you for an example of when straight people had to fight for a right that was denied to them solely on the basis of their sexuality?

Name an example of something straight people are denied purely because of their sexuality.

Black straight people were not denied the right to go to a white school because they were straight, they were denied because they were black.

Black straight people were not denied the right to vote because they were straight, they were denied because they were black.

Straight woman were not denied the right to work because they were straight, they were denied because they were woman.

Straight Jews (amongst others) were not slaughtered because they were straight, they were slaughtered because they were Jewish.

Should I continue? Or do you get the point?

and no they do not need to show everyone they exist. everyone knows they do. if they stfu about it a bit then maybe, just maybe they would be left alone a little bit. Why should gay people have to hide in the closet to get left alone? So straight people should have the right to openly discuss their sexual activity, openly talk about dates, hot chicks and so on and that is fine, but a gay person does it and then they are asking for too much?

Where is this equality you were going off about?

this aint the fucking 30's where you get killed about it. You are right, this isn’t the fucking 30’s where you get killed for being gay and the media totally ignores it. This is the 21st century where you still get killed for being gay but this time around the world is actually watching, the media is watching and, whether they care or not, it is acknowledged as not being OKAY.

That is the ONLY difference between the “fucking 30’s” and now.

February 22, 2008 -- Florida: 17-Year-Old Trans Kid Murdered (http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20080227231036717)

February 12, 2008 -- Gay teenager killed by classmate in US (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/25/wteen125.xml)

a trhead about chatting up hot chicks could involve lesbians. they have the same sexual preference as most males. meaning they can join in on that. just because gay males cant join in, but wait they can join in with the females talking about hot males.... omg they might be able to fit in we cant have that then they wouldnt be able to bitch about it

Thanks, you just made my point!

The original argument by tung was that straight people do not post topics that discuss their sexuality, as you just pointed out above EVERYONE DOES IT!! Straight, gay or bi.

and you know what most straight folk are like??? and to quote you: based on your previous comments it really isn't a surprise you'd say something like this. Ignorance breeds stupidity and unchallenged stupidity is even worse. Wow big words, big man. *Oooo shivers* Please quote me, i'd love to know when i've ever said one negative thing about any group of people.

I noticed you conveniently skipped the APA quote, mind posting something to back up your opinions?

I am BEGGING someone to challenge my stupidity with something substantive… why, if you know you are right, do you fail to take me up on the offer?

you are stereotyping alot of people with this post. so if i was you id stfu Really, quote me then… shouldn’t be to hard eh?

ahhh so you can show pics of gays that are acting all manly??? why not go look at some of the gays that actually act flamboyant. i tihnk you will then find out that that was waht tung commented on. Oh no, I know what tung commented on. I know that flamboyant gay guys exist, as well as metrosexual, i.e. flamboyant straight guys.

They point is, if the only gay guys you’ll ever notice are flamboyant it doesn’t mean those are the only gay guys that exist.

He, along with you it seems, like to stereotype the typical gay guy as being flamboyant. When in actuality, most gay guys are NOT flamboyant and, you might be surprised to learn, within the gay community a lot of people also dislike flamboyant gays.

no but it is their fault for bringing notice to themselves. Really? So now there is an established defense for murder? He was wearing a dress so I murdered him! Really, so in your book that would be okay?

Well adding that one to my book as well.

and as we have established gays/lesos that do not act like they are king shit usually do not get touched at all. So what you are saying is that if gay folk would just remain in the closet they wouldn’t have to worry about being killed, harassed, fired from a job, they won’t have to worry about getting married, raising kids, seeing each other die in the hospital, going out on a date together etc. You are actually saying they won’t have to suffer through any of the paint that they do if they just don’t do any of the above?

Okay sounds like a fair compromise to me.

if they are killed i would say that they would of desereved it/or not based on why they were killed Wrong! No innocent human being deserves to be killed based on how “uncomfortable” someone feels with them. Anything to the contrary just shows the barbarianism that still exists in our society.

bullies are victims. but for different resaons. Agreed.

and some people who are abused and killed asked for it. show me some examples please, I can’t believe anyone would in any way ask to be murdered, but you say you know better so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Show me some examples.
because right now you are lea you should really learn not to steryotype people. no no, I think you should really learn how to comprehend sentences in the context they are given to you.

Bully A beating on gay kid B because he is wearing lipstick, being flamboyant etc. does not make that bully A a victim and gay kid B a perpetrator. Gay kid B is minding his own business, when bully A decides to make it his business, therefore bully A is the perpetrator and gay kid B is the victim, not vice versa.

yes they do. just they dont have the option of some of the things straight people do. umm so you realize then your answer should be, No gay people do not have the same rights as straight people, but they do not deserve the same right as straight people.

Why try and sugar coat your hate now?

if you want to bitch at me about the gays being treated different etc etc etc then stfu and stop acting as if they are better then others and deserve extra rights. Please list these extra rights out. You'd be surprised that they don't exists.

What extra rights are gay people asking for?

ohhh and the reason gays are treated different is cause of the major power in the world. the fucking church. you go tell mr pope why gays should be treated better and shit. and we will never see you again. but hey according to you no one will miss you cause you are gay :O

Incorrect, many European countries and most other civilized nations throughout the world already have equality -or an attempt at it- for all sexual orientations. Many nations that would be considered "religious" also have these doors already open.

Please try and play the religion card somewhere else.

[Asshole]

What about gay bars that "request" no straight people enter.

If it were a regular bar being opened that said no gays.. how long would that last?

And you can post all your firgures about crimes based on sexuality, but its easy to cry "he attacked me because im gay".. Which is exactly what the local gay did who was harrassing me and some of my friends.. after i smashed his door in, which is why i will never take those figures seriousley.

This thread is another example of gays trying to draw attention to themselves

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

quaker i can appreciate your points but you twist everything around to try and benefit you... such as the state ment that jews got slaughtered cause they were jews.. that is exactly the point i was trying to make... blakcs, jews, mexicans, women gays are all minorities, you break everything down to whether there gay or not and thats not what im trying to compare...

im comparing the gays as a minority to any other minority. not black gays to jew gays to regular gays.

you seem to want special priveldges for gays instead of just equal rghts for gays and that wont ever happen cause basically you choose to stick a dick up your ass and its disgusting no matter how you put it.. you want the same rights as normal people then be fucking normal

go to iran or somewhere and try to be gay and see how quick they kick your ass and jail you there.. alot of countries its against the law and honestly it should be here its just not natural and like i said before if everyone was gay humanity would end in 1 generation

[Candi]

you seem to want special priveldges for gays instead of just equal rghts for gays and that wont ever happen cause basically you choose to stick a dick up your ass and its disgusting no matter how you put it..

No one has every asked for special privileges for anyone. We are asking for equal privileges for all human beings irregardless of race, gender and sexual orientation. For being a human you deserve to have rights and be seen as equal to every other human being.


you want the same rights as normal people then be fucking normal

Of course here you immediately contradicted your first statement, however, who gets the right to define normal? Now you are treading on dangerous ground. Seems you have classed straight people as normal and anything not straight is not normal and thus does not deserve rights - so human beings are those who are straight.

The requirement of human rights is to be human.

Humans, or human beings, are bipedal primates belonging to the mammalian species Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man" or "knowing man") in the family Hominidae (the great apes)

I don't see sexual orientation in that definition.


go to iran or somewhere and try to be gay and see how quick they kick your ass and jail you there.. alot of countries its against the law and honestly it should be here its just not natural and like i said before if everyone was gay humanity would end in 1 generation

This is exactly what we have issues with - being gay is not a crime. Firstly something you cannot control (desiring the same sexed individuals is agreed to not be a choice) should not be a criminal offense. Would you not find it oppressive if you were beaten and jailed for being male? Well, this is no different - you cannot choose your biological gender and likewise you cannot choose your sexuality.

Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on who you are) not everyone is gay, not will everyone be gay, so humanity isn't going anywhere. Maybe if we embraced gay sexuality as accepted it all those gays who are living miserable lives and producing kids would stop and our population problem wouldn't be as much of a problem (not saying this is a valid solution and that's another discussion all together).

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r gays and that wont ever happen cause basically you choose to stick a dick up your ass and its disgusting no matter how you put it.

It seems we have a double standard here. I am pretty sure gay women don't stick dick up their asses. So your class of gay included men who are homosexual, but you say nothing about women. Perhaps you said it before, but I am interested in knowing how you feel about lesbians? Are they alright? Do you only have issues with gay men?

On that note, how do you feel about heterosexual men who have anal sex with women? Do these women (and men) fall in your category of 'not normal'?

[Quaker]

What about gay bars that "request" no straight people enter.

If it were a regular bar being opened that said no gays.. how long would that last? You make the incorrect assumption that I, or gays in general, would support this. Discrimination on any level by anyone is wrong. Just because a bar, as a private business, makes the decision to discriminate against someone doesn't mean everyone that has the same orientation must agree with them.

Despite being gay i have never been to a bar so can't really comment on the ins and outs the whole thing... i know i'm not fitting into my "lifestyle" very well... sorry :S but anyhow, don't bars in general have themed nights anyways? Womans only night etc...?\

And you can post all your firgures about crimes based on sexuality, but its easy to cry "he attacked me because im gay".. Which is exactly what the local gay did who was harrassing me and some of my friends.. after i smashed his door in, which is why i will never take those figures seriousley.

Eh conspiracy theories will only get you so far. Don't want to believe the facts then counter them with your own. Straight guys are harassed just as much, if not more than gay guys (purely based on orientation)?

Post some article showing this to be the case.

I've already posted two, two kids died just this month for no other reason than being gay.

Have at it.

This thread is another example of gays trying to draw attention to themselves

Absolutely correct! Living in the closet will never get anyone any rights. Get used to it.

I am amused at the notion some of you have that it is WRONG for gay people to draw attention to themselves, it is okay for anyone else to do it but if you are gay then you did a big no no.

What a joke.

[Smash Bros]

quakjer i got bored reading your quote of me so ill point a few things out. the rest i dont give a fuck about to be honest.

1st the church thing.(ohhh this applies to the dude who didnt mention my name ;)) im a fucking atheist. meaning i dont give a fuck what the church thinks about anything. BUT as stated above they are in alot of positions involving power. meaning they hold power. besides being THE oldest and powerful organisation in the world.... ohh and in the bible i think it says that homosexuality is a sin(not 100% on that though).

2nd thing. flamboyant gays. yes i know not all gays are like that, as i stated before i know quite a few gay/lesbian/bi people, and i have much respect to alot of them. you are twisting what i say. they are a disgrace and IMHO should be locked up. and now you will come back and call me a homophobe etc etc etc. i dont care really. you said yourself that they arent viewed nicely in the gay community so that makes everyone against them. lock them up to teach them a lesson.

3rd. stop bitching that gays have it so hard blah blah fucking blah. alot of people have it worse then you. yes they may have some rights that you dont have BUT they are discriminated against and treated worse then alot of gays. for example (ill use me here) im a fat overweight white male. im also regarded as homeless. and im 20. i cant get a job cause of my weight and if i get an interview it wont go anywhere cause i am fat. cause im young it is hard for me to get a house to live in. my partner is due to give birth. we cant get on government payments(she cant that is) cause she does not earn enough money to show that she needs money from them(yes i know irony). ive been picked on my whole life for being fat(:O:O more then gay people cause from a young age i was fat) sooo i used to be a bully at school in response. so that made it all worse.

now with gays (and yes tuna fish this is aimed at you too) here they can have a job and not be LEGALLY allowed to be fired for they sexual orientation. BUT if they lie in an interview then they can be. no they cant ask about it. but if it is done and then lied to they can be fired as soon as it is found out. gays can get houses aswell depending on their socioeconomic status as easy as straight people.



ok now for the part that i know you dont want to hear about.

in some countrys and not all this is based on aswell.

RIGHTS
gay people have these rights.

they can adopt children,
they can work
they can live a free life.
they can (in some places) get married
they can protest about being gay
they have their own parades(sp)
they have their own clubs
they can vote
tehy can shop

soo what is it that gays want sooo badly?? and ill put in aswell that gays have got this done faster then blacks, or women have. and before you say they had rights before you thats because they have been protesting longer.


with gays some need to be killed. with straights some need to be killed. IMHO there is hardly any difference between gays/straights other then sexual preference. but hey im close minded apperently so there is shit that i wont accept. but hey im open to new ideas.. maybe your not....

[Quaker]

quaker i can appreciate your points but you twist everything around to try and benefit you... such as the state ment that jews got slaughtered cause they were jews.. that is exactly the point i was trying to make... blakcs, jews, mexicans, women gays are all minorities, you break everything down to whether there gay or not and thats not what im trying to compare...

im comparing the gays as a minority to any other minority. not black gays to jew gays to regular gays. ummm wait did i miss something, were we not having a discussion about gay rights? Why would i care if other minorities have to fight for rights or not? For this discussion, black people fighting for black rights, woman fighting for womans rights etc. is not relevant and so I never brought it up.

This discussion is about gay rights, or more specifically anything related to sexual orientation. If you are going to say, "straights have had to fight for just as many rights as gays" then back that up with examples of what straight people have had to fight for.

Do you expect me to back up your position as well? Don't make an argument if you can't stand behind it.

you seem to want special priveldges for gays instead of just equal rghts for gays and that wont ever happen cause basically you choose to stick a dick up your ass and its disgusting no matter how you put it.. you want the same rights as normal people then be fucking normal Bravo Bravo, wow tung, now i have to say that was quite the articulate point you made!!

Now lets break down your ignorance again.

It is impossible for gay rights to be anything other than equality because of the simple notion that gay rights includes the entire spectrum of sexuality. Meaning any reform that happens to include homosexuals will also, by default, include heterosexuals.

Gay people get the privilege of marring a person of the same sex? Well guess what... by default straight people also get the privilege to marry someone of the same sex.

Gay people get protection from getting fired for being gay? Well guess what... by default straight people also get protection from being fired for being straight.

It is going to always be a two way road, so please toss that "they are asking for more rights" argument out the window with the rest of them.

On to the notion of anatomy having anything to do with who we should have sex with.

KAF said it and now you are saying it so i will ask you the same thing. If i were to cut of your dick would you no longer be attracted to woman? Anatomy has nothing to do with our sexuality. While we are on the topic though, did you know the male G-spot is located up the ass? So much for "it isn't normal/natural" argument.

Wow, surprised you haven't brought in animals into the game yet.

go to iran or somewhere and try to be gay and see how quick they kick your ass and jail you there.. alot of countries its against the law and honestly it should be here its just not natural and like i said before if everyone was gay humanity would end in 1 generation

Incorrect, in a lot of third world countries it is against the law, however,In most first world countries, you know "civilized" countries is is not only not against the law but they also allow for a lot of freedoms which are associated with it which we don't see here in America.

On a side note now, I really really really find it amusing how we have homophobes here that always start their post off by saying "i'm not a homophobe" "I don't hate gay people" and then the next thing they say is "kill the gays", "Bomb gay parades", "Lock up people for being gay" and then again in the same breath they say "gay people have more rights than straight people" which is then followed up by "they should be happy to be alive".

Bravo to the lot of you.

[Azalyn]

This is disgusting. This whole thing is making me sick. Gay or Straight what does it matter. We all have human rights and those rights should not be taken away. Straight people have problems, gay people have problems. It is how the world works. Just because you are "gay" doesn't mean you are happy and cheerful and the world is made of candy canes and lolly pops. Neither is this is true for those who are straight. What I understand is people who are "gay" ( and so on) just wanted to be treated equally.

WE have all been treated unfairly in life. Rather it is because of our sexuality, because we are over weight, because of acne, because we are disabled. As humans we know what it feels like to be hurt, to feel pain to experience injustice! All people want as a whole is equality. That is what women stood up for, that is what black people stood up for! What is different?

( on a side note I would love to kick anyones ass who think women are a minority, cause guess what WE AREN'T)

"Gay" people can be just as cruel as straight. Black people can be cruel, white people can be cruel! This doesn't mean it is right! Just because someone has a different sexuality doesn't mean they are nice, doesn't mean they are respectful. I want someone to tell me they have never done anything to ever make someone feel hurt, unloved, and/or unwanted! If someone can tell me they have never been mean or uncaring in their life then I will not post again (and you better be able to prove it)! I am standing up for what I believe in.

I don't care if you are straight, gay, bi, or whatever you are. If you are a good caring person then why does it matter? I am not going to judge someone because they are different. FUCK, EVERY FUCKING PERSON is different. So I might not like some people and I might love other people, but it is not judged on their sexuality. It is on how they act, how they treat people.

I don't know rather i was born this way or what, it doesn't matter. It's who i am if you don't like it then fine, whatever you never got to know me!

For the past 18 years of my life I didn't know what I was. I had/have a boyfriend who I love. Then i meet this girl within the last year and she is the most beautiful girl I have ever seen. She's wonderful to be around and my heart flutters when I am with her. I am proud to be bisexual! Gender doesn't matter. You love who ever you want based on personality and nothing more. I love my boyfriend who I am proud to be with for over 4 years, and I care deeply for my female best friend.

I didn't know who I was or what I was. It's a part of life, growing up you learn who you are and what you want to be. We all have issues with what we look like and our sexuality and many other things. But, all in all, I think everyone just wants to be treated fairly, and not have to be scared of being who you are! This is what it's all about. It's not rather you are gay or straight. It's being treated like a human being, being judged on you as a whole and not just one thing.

[Quaker]

1st the church thing.(ohhh this applies to the dude who didnt mention my name ;)) im a fucking atheist. meaning i dont give a fuck what the church thinks about anything. BUT as stated above they are in alot of positions involving power. meaning they hold power. besides being THE oldest and powerful organisation in the world.... ohh and in the bible i think it says that homosexuality is a sin(not 100% on that though). The point is, in relation to law in the United States, what the church thinks has no bearing. As an example:

If i were to go and get married in a church and the state did not recognize that as a legal marriage then guess what? I wouldn't be legally married, because again the church has no power over deciding on whose marriage is legal and whose is not.

Now on the other hand if i were to go and get married in a court and the church didn't recognize my marriage, would i legally be married? Absolutely, because again the views of the church have no bearing on the legality of my marriage.

2nd thing. flamboyant gays. yes i know not all gays are like that, as i stated before i know quite a few gay/lesbian/bi people, and i have much respect to alot of them. you are twisting what i say. they are a disgrace and IMHO should be locked up. and now you will come back and call me a homophobe etc etc etc. i dont care really. you said yourself that they arent viewed nicely in the gay community so that makes everyone against them. lock them up to teach them a lesson. ummm, not being fond of them more like you wouldn't be fond of an ugly chick, doesn't mean they should be locked up. erm umm, wait do ugly chicks get locked up to? How about fat dudes? What is the basis here for locking people up? Are we locking them up because they are undesirable? To whom? Oh so many questions :|

I want to say i'm concerned with the lack of respect for a human life some of you hold but the only thing i can say is i find this entire thread laughable!! :hehe: Oh lord... do you people really operate normal lives on a daily basis?

3rd. stop bitching that gays have it so hard blah blah fucking blah. alot of people have it worse then you. discriminated against and treated worse then alot of gays.

Discriminated worst? Are we going to define what it means to be discriminated worse than someone else?

for example (ill use me here) im a fat overweight white male. im also regarded as homeless. and im 20. i cant get a job cause of my weight and if i get an interview it wont go anywhere cause i am fat. cause im young it is hard for me to get a house to live in. my partner is due to give birth. we cant get on government payments(she cant that is) cause she does not earn enough money to show that she needs money from them(yes i know irony). ive been picked on my whole life for being fat(:O:O more then gay people cause from a young age i was fat) sooo i used to be a bully at school in response. so that made it all worse. So in essence you are saying, I had a shitty life and therefore i am going to make sure everyone else has a shitty life?

For someone that has gone through all of that shit you'd think you would be more in support of seeing that others don't have to suffer just as you have. Instead of taking your position in life as a lesson and moving forward with it you've decided to slumber around in your own failures and drag as much people as you can down with you.

After reading your posts on this topic I can't really say that i am surprised you've found yourself in the situation you are. Maybe, based on your own logic, you are undesirable and should be locked up? Tough when it's turned back on you, eh?

now with gays (and yes tuna fish this is aimed at you too) here they can have a job and not be LEGALLY allowed to be fired for they sexual orientation. BUT if they lie in an interview then they can be. no they cant ask about it. but if it is done and then lied to they can be fired as soon as it is found out. gays can get houses aswell depending on their socioeconomic status as easy as straight people. Based on your profile I am going to assume you are from Australia, if so you are wrong.

Australia does not outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation at the federal level. However, in response to Australia's obligation to implement the principle of non-discrimination in employment and occupation pursuant to the International Labour Organisation Convention No.111 (ILO 111), the Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission (HREOC) Act empowers the HREOC to investigate complaints of discrimination in employment and occupation on various grounds, including sexual preference, and to resolve such complaints by conciliation. It is important to note that such discrimination is not rendered unlawful under the Act.

Seems to be similar to what we have in the US, some states, territories have laws against it, but on the federal level nothing exists.

ok now for the part that i know you dont want to hear about.

in some countrys and not all this is based on aswell.

RIGHTS
gay people have these rights.

they can adopt children,
they can work
they can live a free life. Really??
they can (in some places) get married
they can protest about being gay
they have their own parades(sp)
they have their own clubs
they can vote wait so now people have to be happy that they can shop, vote, go to a club without being jailed?
tehy can shop

soo what is it that gays want sooo badly?? I'll assume you are still talking about Australia, if so i have to again say you are wrong.

They can't get married anywhere, they can have civil unions in some places. It would also be nice to add that in order for the unions to be recognized in a few of the places one has to go before a judge to prove the "realness" of the relationship.

They can adopt a child only in some places, and out of those places a few have restrictions as to whether it is the biological child or a step-child.

with gays some need to be killed. with straights some need to be killed. IMHO there is hardly any difference between gays/straights other then sexual preference. but hey im close minded apperently so there is shit that i wont accept. but hey im open to new ideas.. maybe your not....

Ummm no i'm actually open to pretty much anything that doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Your killing someone infringes on the right of that person therefore I am against it.

Again you wonder why you are a failure at life... figures.

[Asshole]

fucking equal rights.. no human is sodding well equal..

I dont earn anywhere near as much as bill gates.. we are not equal..

I get less pussy than hugh hefner.. WE are not equal..

Tung has 1 child more.. we are not equal..

My sisters both get a lot more tax credits than me.. they get money off thier taxes in ways i cannot possibly qualify for.. we are not equal..

My dad owns two houses.. we are not equal..

Im not equal to the woman i fucked tonight either.

Asylum seekers get free houses and benefits that are near my yearly wage for doing fuck all.. we are not equal

Do i start a parade? no.. gays DO get special priveledges.. all "minorities" do. Theres a huge global debate at the moment about how straight white folk get less priveledges than any other "minority"


Theres no such thing as human equality..
There is no such thing as freedom..

And gays annoy the hell out of me.. i have met four gay men and three of them have pissed me off.. thats 75% of gays ive met, the other one took the message. Theres a higher percantage of accepting straight people in here..

hell my last girlfriend was bi-sexual and even she fucked me over.

And its gays causing the arguments and twisting normal peoples words in this thread.. if your trying to find acceptance quaker your going the wrong way about it, your alienating people by twisting and manipulating replies.

[Calienta]

Asshole it may seem like I'm only picking on you but I swear that's not what I'm doing :)

You're comparing yourself as a person to other people. The argument here is that a "group" of people (blacks, women, gays) shouldn't be discriminated against and deemed to be less than equal and therefore have less rights.

As an individual you can claim all the inequity you want, but you're not using your examples to show that straight/white people/men are oppressed. You're not meaning that for all your failing to reach the same 'level' as those people you mentioned, that you have failed because you're straight/white/a man. That's the difference.

[Quaker]

And its gays causing the arguments and twisting normal peoples words in this thread.. if your trying to find acceptance quaker your going the wrong way about it, your alienating people by twisting and manipulating replies.
Who said i was aiming at acceptance? You're the third person in this thread to mention that and i find it really again laughable. When people say they want to see an entire class of people killed, jailed, blown up then we are past the point of looking for mere acceptance.

Come to the table willing to understand another persons point of view and you will be shown the same respect. If, however, you are going to start spouting off garbage then don't act surprised when someone posts something that goes against you.

Everyone keeps claiming their words are being twisted, but i have yet to see one of you show me exactly what has been twisted. Your lack of reading comprehension is not my problem.

[Azalyn]

If you continue to come down and be down as you are your situation can never improve! Things aren't always fair, but that doesn't mean that are rights are not equal. When things become unfair and hard you must fight for what you believe and what you want. If you give up and stop fighting and thinking everything is going to fall into your hand, then I am sorry to say you are mistaken

[Candi]

Theres no such thing as human equality..
There is no such thing as freedom..

And this is exactly what we are trying to repair. Not just gays mind you, feminism is a movement for equality (yeah that's right, it's not a bunch of women who think that men should be repressed as women were - extreme cases are but these are not true feminists). The battle for equality has been going on since the beginning of recorded history - and it won't stop until all humans are recognized as equals with equal value regardless of anything other than the fact that you are human. Is this such a wrong thing to fight for?

~

Also, a common argument I have been reading in this oh so amusing thread (yes all of your opinions amuse me, especially with their lack of evidence other than what I am about to say) is the following line of reasoning:

I (don't like/hate/have been hurt by/am threatened by etc..) subgroup of people X
__________________________________________________ _______________________
Subgroup of people X should be (arrested/killed/punished/discriminated etc..)

Firstly, this is an assertion and in formal logic and most normal peoples idea of reasoning this holds no ground in an argument.

Secondly, an argument consists of a set of propositions with a conclusion that locally follows - I see one statement that slippery slopes it's way to a conclusion.

If anyone has an opinion that is against equal rights and is not going to assert it please speak up because this is getting to be irritating.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

ummm wait did i miss something, were we not having a discussion about gay rights? Why would i care if other minorities have to fight for rights or not? For this discussion, black people fighting for black rights, woman fighting for womans rights etc. is not relevant and so I never brought it up.its very fucking relevant to this discussion because they are inorities such as gays are and are discrimnated against... by you saying there not relevant is basically saying that you ar only worried bout gay rights and that any other minority isnt worthy of rights just your almighty gays

This discussion is about gay rights, or more specifically anything related to sexual orientation. If you are going to say, "straights have had to fight for just as many rights as gays" then back that up with examples of what straight people have had to fight for. this discussion is not just bout gay rights its bout rights of human beings in... you are the one that just keeps changing it into a gay only topic.... im using these other minorities as an example to why gays dont have it so bad, even so in alot of areas in the world it is deemed immoral and a criminal act.

Do you expect me to back up your position as well? Don't make an argument if you can't stand behind it.

Bravo Bravo, wow tung, now i have to say that was quite the articulate point you made!!

Now lets break down your ignorance again.

It is impossible for gay rights to be anything other than equality because of the simple notion that gay rights includes the entire spectrum of sexuality. Meaning any reform that happens to include homosexuals will also, by default, include heterosexuals.

Gay people get the privilege of marring a person of the same sex? Well guess what... by default straight people also get the privilege to marry someone of the same sex. that makes absolutely zero sense.. if s straight person married someone of the same sex they would be gay dumbass... and actually the reason for marriage tis mainly to create a family and sorry if your shoving sausage up someones arse, no matter how hard you try you wont make a kid

Gay people get protection from getting fired for being gay? Well guess what... by default straight people also get protection from being fired for being straight.

It is going to always be a two way road, so please toss that "they are asking for more rights" argument out the window with the rest of them. its funny i have sen gay bars and clubs where they dont allow straights in , but if a straight bar said no gays you guys would protest and say its not fair... go back into your closets and live your disgusting lifes..its immoral and not natural so shouldnt be given same rights

On to the notion of anatomy having anything to do with who we should have sex with.

KAF said it and now you are saying it so i will ask you the same thing. If i were to cut of your dick would you no longer be attracted to woman? Anatomy has nothing to do with our sexuality. While we are on the topic though, did you know the male G-spot is located up the ass? So much for "it isn't normal/natural" argument.

Wow, surprised you haven't brought in animals into the game yet.



Incorrect, in a lot of third world countries it is against the law, however,In most first world countries, you know "civilized" countries is is not only not against the law but they also allow for a lot of freedoms which are associated with it which we don't see here in America.that right there is just discriminatory against alot of countries.. countries like iran i dont deem as 3rd world even so you may do.. and actually if you break it down to how you think, then there is actually more 3rd world countries then first world countries... so basically your saying the majority of people in the world are wrong on there view of homosexuals?

On a side note now, I really really really find it amusing how we have homophobes here that always start their post off by saying "i'm not a homophobe" "I don't hate gay people" and then the next thing they say is "kill the gays", "Bomb gay parades", "Lock up people for being gay" and then again in the same breath they say "gay people have more rights than straight people" which is then followed up by "they should be happy to be alive".

Bravo to the lot of you.

a phobia is something people are scared of so a homophobe means someone that is scared of gays.. gays dont scare me they disgust me and it honestly shouldnt be allowed no matter how you look at it

seriously stop making excuses for this deviant behavior and find you a woman

[Azalyn]

YAY for being bi, I get both ^.^

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

quaker america is a first world country.. if that is the cas why does the military have a "dont ask dont tell " policy ...that blows your whole case out the water

[Candi]

a phobia is something people are scared of so a homophobe means someone that is scared of gays.. gays dont scare me they disgust me and it honestly shouldnt be allowed no matter how you look at it

seriously stop making excuses for this deviant behavior and find you a woman

Let me redirect you to what I explained earlier about trying to pass assertions off as arguments and my comment about the most common argument seen here (which you have so eloquently just made again):


Also, a common argument I have been reading in this oh so amusing thread (yes all of your opinions amuse me, especially with their lack of evidence other than what I am about to say) is the following line of reasoning:

I (don't like/hate/have been hurt by/am threatened by etc..) subgroup of people X
__________________________________________________ _______________________
Subgroup of people X should be (arrested/killed/punished/discriminated etc..)

Firstly, this is an assertion and in formal logic and most normal peoples idea of reasoning this holds no ground in an argument.

Secondly, an argument consists of a set of propositions with a conclusion that locally follows - I see one statement that slippery slopes it's way to a conclusion.

If anyone has an opinion that is against equal rights and is not going to assert it please speak up because this is getting to be irritating.


As for your last comment about finding them a women - we already explained that being gay is not a choice and they DO NOT like women sexually - it's what makes them gay. How about we find you a good man. How does that sound?

And yet again, you seem to only have something against males who are gay - I still want to know what you think about females who are gay.
Something tells me you have a double standard going on where in which gay men are an abomination and gay women are hot. Double standards don't fly in the world of rationality - then again something tells me from your repeated assertion and lack of intelligent debate you don't live in that world with the rest of us.

[Quaker]

its very fucking relevant to this discussion because they are inorities such as gays are and are discrimnated against... by you saying there not relevant is basically saying that you ar only worried bout gay rights and that any other minority isnt worthy of rights just your almighty gays Ummm no actually it is not relevant, I am only worried about gay rights in this thread because that is what it is titled you dumb shit. None of the other minorities you mention are being discriminated against purely based on their fucking orientation; therefore they are not relevant to this thread.

this discussion is not just bout gay rights its bout rights of human beings in... you are the one that just keeps changing it into a gay only topic... im using these other minorities as an example to why gays dont have it so bad, even so in alot of areas in the world it is deemed immoral and a criminal act. Are you really this fucking stupid or are you TRYING to come off as being stupid?

I keep changing this to be about gay issues because that is what the fucking thread is titled, did you click on the wrong one you dumb shit?

that makes absolutely zero sense.. if s straight person married someone of the same sex they would be gay dumbass... and actually the reason for marriage tis mainly to create a family and sorry if your shoving sausage up someones arse, no matter how hard you try you wont make a kid Sorry I should have realized that was too much for you to comprehend. I could give a rats ass if a straight guy wanted to marry another guy, the point is that he would have the option of doing so, therefore no one is getting a right that another person does not have.

At this point I’d go into a paragraph about labels but again you are just to fucking stupid to understand it so I won’t go there.

that right there is just discriminatory against alot of countries.. countries like iran i dont deem as 3rd world even so you may do.. and actually if you break it down to how you think, then there is actually more 3rd world countries then first world countries... so basically your saying the majority of people in the world are wrong on there view of homosexuals? Wow, so you got tired of my owning you and thought it better to start owning yourself?

Yes tung, I am saying that most people in the world, or at least the leaders of their countries, are wrong in their views towards people of differing sexual orientations.

Yes tung, I am saying that it is wrong to kill, jail someone because of their sexuality.

I’m sorry, with all this talk of killing and blowing up of gay people I didn’t realize we were still trying to be politically correct.
A country that deems it okay to hang a person, a 15 year old, for simply being gay, is by my definition a third world, un-civilized country.

a phobia is something people are scared of so a homophobe means someone that is scared of gays.. gays dont scare me they disgust me and it honestly shouldnt be allowed no matter how you look at it

Do you ever get tired of being so fucking wrong all the time?

Main Entry:
ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation:
\ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\
Function:
noun
Date:
1969
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Wait… what’s that you say… liberal media is now tainting our dictionaries… oh god the humanity!!!!

[Quaker]

quaker america is a first world country.. if that is the cas why does the military have a "dont ask dont tell " policy ...that blows your whole case out the water

ummm no, the only thing it blows is well nothing.

Thank you.... <insert drum roll/>

http://somecallmeduh.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/captainobvious.jpg

Wait wait, so ummmm wait so let me get this straight... America, the land of the freeeeeeee, actually discriminates against gay people, omg... damn i wish we would start a topic to discuss that...

Child, what is wrong with you?

[Smash Bros]

ok seeing as you twisted my words yet again (let me explain yet again).

if a flamboyant gay is not being accepted and is being targeted by not only straight people but gays aswell for being fucking annoying (whatever you want to call it) they should be locked up. not cause of theiur sexuality or whatever. you said that not me.

yes tehy are free.

a civil union is the same as a marraige in almost all aspects except for a few things (i think).


as i have said before. i have nothign against gays at all. i have something against some of the individual gays i know but thats like everyone.

ohh and quaker your the reason alot of people hate gays. you sit there and argue your reasoning without listening to others. you turn it back against them and make it out that they have said something other then what they did. you need to take a step back from the computer and think about wtf your doing. ohhh and before you have a go at me not once in this thread have i said anything againts gays but infact have stated on numerous occasions that i have nothign against them. so stop trying to twist everything to sound as if i hate gays etc etc. its bullshit. you want to argue with me about it all and hating gays take it to AIW.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

ummm no, the only thing it blows is well nothing.

Thank you.... <insert drum roll/>

http://somecallmeduh.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/captainobvious.jpg

Wait wait, so ummmm wait so let me get this straight... America, the land of the freeeeeeee, actually discriminates against gay people, omg... damn i wish we would start a topic to discuss that...

that should tell you there is somethng wrong with it .. your the one that said its acceptable in first world countries,i bring up a first world country that says it isnt entirely right and yet you still commence to argue that it is... it might seem ok to you but as of this minute its not ok with americas government even so you state all first world countries think its ok.

Child, what is wrong with you?
l

[HellRaiser]

WOW... Confrontation, slander, live fire and complete obliveration of political correctness, I love it. :hehe:
Okay so since I always play devils advocate, let's swing the pendelum. :grin:


An interesting debate topic indeed, To go through and quote and respond to so much would take hours.
Quite a few of you's make some excellent points. Problem is, some are taking this personal because you
fit this class so you're totally intentionally bypassing or freely ignoring the points from those who oppose.
One must place (as much as possible) personal close to the heart emotional beast at bay to debate.

I personally see both sides of the fence perse.

Sadly, no matter how you want to cut it, slice it, dice it, in the end it just always comes back to human rights.
If we stick to this simple avenue I am sure most could finally see and come to an understanding maybe even agreement.
All one has to do is, leave the possible parental raising or teachings or religious indoctrination or lack thereof out of it.
It comes down to this... Have we truly evolved as humanity from our first existence?
Some may say yes, some may say no, some may say in the middle...
I am one of those who says at this point of time in history, we come to the middle...

If the world perse could just simply come to the simple realization, "a human being is a human being".
It doesn't matter what color/race/ culture/ heritage/ sexual orientation is.
How can anyone have the opinion muchless argue against that every human being shouldn't be treated fairly and equally within A SOCIAL SETTING?
How can anyone argue against how every human being shouldn't have the same basic fundamental rights?

None of us have to agree or truly accept what another chooses (or is) as an sexual orientation, it's personal and private.
It really shouldn't be anyone's business at all as it doesn't hurt or concern anyone else.
As the saying goes.... "Live and let live".... It all comes down to tolerance of difference.
Maybe if the world had more tolerance not only wouldn't this be an issue but there wouldn't be 90% of the chaos and bloodshed going on.

Wow, I can't believe I just played middle of the fence lol...
So to stay true to myself and my name...






























Now fuck off and stop your whiny ass bitching, special interest group (Gay/ Bi/tranny/ et al) bullshit agenda,
looking for support or affirmation or votes. Grow up, shed the baby skin. :grin:

[Quaker]

if a flamboyant gay is not being accepted and is being targeted by not only straight people but gays aswell for being fucking annoying (whatever you want to call it) they should be locked up. not cause of theiur sexuality or whatever. you said that not me. Maybe i should start accusing everyone of twisting my words? My saying flamboyant people are looked down upon within even the gay community is a far stretch from saying they should be locked up.

I don't understand what you mean by "targeted". I am trying to understand why you think it's ok to discriminate against them just because they are flamboyant? Flamboyant or not they are still a part of the gay community, so again i'm finding it hard to believe you when you say... "i have nothing against gay people, but i think flamboyant gay people should be locked up."

ohh and quaker your the reason alot of people hate gays. you sit there and argue your reasoning without listening to others. My not agreeing with your point of view is not the same as my not listening to it. In fact, not only have I listened to each and everyone of your posts i've also provided sources to counter each one.

Sorry for not agreeing with some, not you, with some that gay people deserve to be killed for being gay. I guess i'm not perfect after all, shucks!

you turn it back against them and make it out that they have said something other then what they did. you need to take a step back from the computer and think about wtf your doing. ohhh and before you have a go at me not once in this thread have i said anything againts gays but infact have stated on numerous occasions that i have nothign against them. so stop trying to twist everything to sound as if i hate gays etc etc. its bullshit. you want to argue with me about it all and hating gays take it to AIW.

ahhh okay smash i think i finally figured it out! It isn't my taking what you guys say and twisting it, you guys just don't know what your own point of view is. You type one thing but think you mean something else.

Case in point. Above you say... now remember this is what you said and so i am going to quote you word for word so i am not, again for the 1000th time accused of taking you out of context...

SMASH BROS SAID: "me not once in this thread have i said anything againts gays but infact have stated on numerous occasions that i have nothign against them"

Okay do we have that done so far, not to translate it... In my (quaker's) words you just said that you have nothing against gay people, in fact you've told us several times you have friends that are gay and so on.

Okay are we all good so far? Everyone on the same page... okay now just watch how i "twist" your words... Everyone close your eyes... no peeking!!

"flamboyant gays. yes i know not all gays are like that, as i stated before i know quite a few gay/lesbian/bi people, and i have much respect to alot of them. you are twisting what i say. they are a disgrace and IMHO should be locked up."

Surprise!! hah! guys didn't see that one coming eh? Smash Bros said he never said anything against gay people, in fact he has nothing against gay people, but by the magic that is Quakers ability to twist words i made it seem like he wants flamboyant gay people to be locked up!

You guys wish you had that ability!!

Now in all fairness, what YOU meant to say... not me, what you meant to intiallialy type out was "I (smash bros) have nothing against non-flamboyant gay people, I think flamboyant gay people should be locked up, but non-flamboyant gay people are good as gravy."

Now take your own advice and think before you type, it is not my problem that you can't get a coherent post out and then you expect me to read your mind and get upset when i don't.

Cry me a river.

And as to the others, if you are bold enough to declare that an entire class of the population should be discriminated against and/or killed then you should be able to hold your own in a simple "debate" instead of crying foul at every corner.

[Quaker]

that should tell you there is somethng wrong with it .. your the one that said its acceptable in first world countries,i bring up a first world country that says it isnt entirely right and yet you still commence to argue that it is... it might seem ok to you but as of this minute its not ok with americas government even so you state all first world countries think its ok.

Tung did i already tell you that you are fucking stupid? Do you not have the ability to read? Or better yet, comprehend what you read?

Let us go back to what i said:

Quaker Says: In most first world countries, you know "civilized" countries is is not only not against the law but they also allow for a lot of freedoms which are associated with it which we don't see here in America.

<insert standard line about how everyone is twisting my words/>

What a dumb piece of shit, can you not comprehend what has clearly been written for you. I clearly never said it is acceptable in all first world nations, I clearly said that it is not acceptable in America.

Just a cue for future reference, when one uses the word most in a sentence it usually means that there are exceptions to the statement that is being made. Now since i realized who i was talking to i dumbed it down for you and even included the major first world country that wasn't included in the statement. Figures you'd miss that part. Should i use multiple colors for you in the future? Anything to help our little tung put two and two together.

Now go cry about something else.

[Quaker]

Wow, I can't believe I just played middle of the fence lol...
So to stay true to myself and my name...

Now fuck off and stop your whiny ass bitching, special interest group (Gay/ Bi/tranny/ et al) bullshit agenda,
looking for support or affirmation or votes. Grow up, shed the baby skin. :grin:

Ahhh that's more like it, read the first part of that and had to scroll up to make sure i was reading the right persons post... :hehe:

We've agreed three times in less than a month :glare:, time to post a topic we'd definitely disagree on!!

[Juicy Fruit]

So at first i had a list of you too respond too on both sides and the inbetweeners, but i agree with hell raiser fuck that. so i wasnt going too post at all then i thought of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TXGhim-fVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14oqm9ywLIw

Btw I am strait gay guys do not allways know who isnt gay i am a rare breed of strait guys where i can tell within seconds of meeting a guy if he is gay, but i was close too my mom(mama's boy) while she was alive and i am very sensitive could be reason why. I have a personal indifferance to this. everything you do is on you, everything i do is on

so yeah thats all i got to say:zip:

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

Ahhh that's more like it, read the first part of that and had to scroll up to make sure i was reading the right persons post... :hehe:

We've agreed three times in less than a month :glare:, time to post a topic we'd definitely disagree on!!

i hope you get aids

[HellRaiser]

Ahhh that's more like it, read the first part of that and had to scroll up to make sure i was reading the right persons post... :hehe:

We've agreed three times in less than a month :glare:, time to post a topic we'd definitely disagree on!!

Hehehehe, well I figured since you were the underdog I would balance the scales of justice lol. :grin:

[Candi]

i hope you get aids

How mature.
~
And HellRaiser - do you have a middle of the fence fan-club? :grin:

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

well tried reasoning with quaker but hes the reasons gays should get there ass beat... my country (america) doesnt give full rights to gays and glad they dont and most likely never will..they do have plenty of rights tho and should be happy with that...

[Furyous]

http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?p=197258#post197258

[Colonel Sanders]

Equal Rights.lol

No such thing and there never will be. And mostly that has nothing to do with discrimination. You are either strong and also strong minded or you are not. The strong exploit and crush the weak and rightfully so. And make no mistake gays are the weak minded and diseased of our society.

For me, saying gays should have free rights, it's like saying a pedophile should have free rights. They are both fucked up in the head and they both should be executed.

[Asshole]

Same sex couples should not be allowed to raise children either...


If you cant have them naturally then you lose out, the only exception is couples who unfortunatley need IVF.

[Furyous]

In refference to slaughtering all gays...

Sun Tzu said:
In sum, the method of employing the military -

Taking a state whole is superior.
Destroying it is inferior to this.

Taking an army whole is superior.
Destroying it is inferior to this.

Taking a battalion whole is superior.
Destroying it is inferior to this.

Taking a company whole is superior.
Destroying it is inferior to this.

Taking a squad whole is superior.
Destroying it is inferior to this.

Therefore, one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the most skillful.

Subduing the other's military without battle is the most skillful.

[Candi]

Same sex couples should not be allowed to raise children either...
If you cant have them naturally then you lose out, the only exception is couples who unfortunatley need IVF.

If you make a rule it needs to apply globally - once you have exceptions you will need to start making more and more - so if you say you need to be able to naturally birth to have children fine - IVF should be eradicated then.

Also, what about all of the orphans out there? Gays can adopt, giving the poor children who have no parents parents. Does this not hold some value to you? And don't go on some bull shit rant about how gay's can't make good parents - gender has nothing to do with parenthood. Single mothers and fathers raise children all the time so why can't two mothers or fathers raise a child?

[Asshole]

Your wrong, heterosexual couples who need IVF should still be entitled to it, Heterosexual couples should be allowed to adopt.. gay and lesbian couples.. should not, yes single parents can raise a perfectly well balanced child, but on subjects such as relationships/sex are a gay couple as well balanced to inform/guide the child?

would the child be well balanced or itself influenced to homosexuality ?

[Candi]

If you want to start claiming that a gay couple will raise a gay child (implying that a gay child is an error) we better start keeping children from heterosexual couples because most gays, since they are raised by heterosexuals, are the result of so called "normal" parents.

Not only in raising a child is there the need to teach the child and be a parent but you also need to support it financially - a single parent struggles and a gay couple would not. Also, where does sexuality come in when discussing the capacity to be a good, understanding parent. That's a deeper psychological question, that if we could answer it would allow us to prevent the bad parents from ever becoming parents.

Plenty of heterosexual couples are unsuited for parenthood but become parents anyway, and of course there will be homosexual couples in the same situation (less so because they need to adopt which is an arduous process), but just because some may be bad parents doesn't mean all will be.

[Smash Bros]

ok quaker listen carefully to this post.


what i said (in my mind lol. obviously it didnt come out on the screen) was that if they are frowned upon and cause sooo much trouble for them they should be locked up. now think about it. if they are then less people would hate gays. their rights would be looked after a bit more cause they wouldnt be forcing it upon people.

[Asshole]

If you want to start claiming that a gay couple will raise a gay child (implying that a gay child is an error) we better start keeping children from heterosexual couples because most gays, since they are raised by heterosexuals, are the result of so called "normal" parents.

Not only in raising a child is there the need to teach the child and be a parent but you also need to support it financially - a single parent struggles and a gay couple would not. Also, where does sexuality come in when discussing the capacity to be a good, understanding parent. That's a deeper psychological question, that if we could answer it would allow us to prevent the bad parents from ever becoming parents.

Plenty of heterosexual couples are unsuited for parenthood but become parents anyway, and of course there will be homosexual couples in the same situation (less so because they need to adopt which is an arduous process), but just because some may be bad parents doesn't mean all will be.

What about the emotional difficulty the child will face with bullying at school.. q increased teen suicide rates

[Candi]

What, because his parents are queer?

Wouldn't be an issue if there were equal rights.

And what about the child born obese because his parents are obese and the harassment he gets at school - should fat people also not have children?

Or what about other minority groups - should they also not have children for fear of their child being abused in school?
~
Also, it's difficult to make the assumption that homosexuals adopting children will lead to emotional bullying at school will lead to them committing suicide -

And, good parents will see the signs of bullying before the teen kills them self over it and will step in to route out the problem.

[Furyous]

Yeah, just what I want as a 12 year old kid getting my ass kicked at school everyday...

My dad rolls up in his Mercedes convertible with a pink shirt on and his sweater tied around his neck, gets out of his car and sashays across the school yard all limp wristed to come threaten the school bully.

THAT'S GONNA WORK!

/sarcasm

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

cant tell these fudgepackers anything... no matter what they try to justify there behaivior when it is generally frowned upon and looked down on.. you can say every reason why gays shouldnt adopt or marry but they will just throw self made stats back up in your face and always claim equal rights when shit in life aint equal and will never be..

[HellRaiser]

And HellRaiser - do you have a middle of the fence fan-club? :grin:

Sorry, but I do have a hate club, you're free to register and join that one. :hehe: :hiya:

[Azalyn]

ok *sighs*

first off not all gays wear pink shirts and sweaters 0.o like come on its like saying all blonds dress slutty

First off i am not fucked up in the head. If I am its because I am a artist not because of my sexuality (or because the chemicals in the pool make me so)! Secondly if I want to adopt a child with another women all I have to say to you is fuck off. I would make a much better parent then most of you! Hell like half of you are over the age of 25 and don't seem to have much of a life and are fighting over something that has been around for so many years and will be around for the next ever! what if you had a beautiful son or daughter that turned out to be something you didn't expect, like being gay. Would you fucking kill your own child, if so then who is fucked in the head, cause from my point of view it ain't me!

everyone is generalizing about everything.
how "gays" act
how "straight" act
how the world works

generalization is the horrible way to prove a point. There will always be ppl that don't like change and so be it. Let these people live in the past and not in the future its to bad you can't see it any other way.

Im sick of the bullshit being thrown around.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

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[HellRaiser]

How anyone can view someone's sexual orientation to determine to be slaughtered or executed or
somehow remotely in the same field as pedophilia, raping and molesting babies and children, is fucked in the head.

My gosh it's like some of you are talking about genocide or some serial killer.
Why does anyone care so much to take offence or take it so personal like it effects or is ABOUT YOU?
So much apparent insecurities and hatred to be so against people one doesn't even care about, amazing...

Maybe possible deep SUPRESSED gayness themself that scares them eh? :P

[Smash Bros]

What, because his parents are queer?

Wouldn't be an issue if there were equal rights.

And what about the child born obese because his parents are obese and the harassment he gets at school - should fat people also not have children?

Or what about other minority groups - should they also not have children for fear of their child being abused in school?
~
Also, it's difficult to make the assumption that homosexuals adopting children will lead to emotional bullying at school will lead to them committing suicide -

And, good parents will see the signs of bullying before the teen kills them self over it and will step in to route out the problem.

this whole quote is bullshit.

would still be an issue. black people have equal rights and are (in places) picked on for their skin colour.


and gay people CANT have children naturaly as it is impossible. what tung is saying is that since they cant NATURALLY have children they should NOT be allowed to have them. obese people cant usually have children(well at a lowered rate anyways).

ohh and good parents wont always notice the signs of bullying. parents that are nosey will. children are good at hiding most of the signs of bullying.

[Candi]

would still be an issue. black people have equal rights and are (in places) picked on for their skin colour.

This is exactly my point. Kids get picked on for things irregardless. I was refuting the claim that the kid with gay parents would be subject to bullying by showing that every minority (and in most places even those non-minority kids) are subject to bullying for one reason or another.


and gay people CANT have children naturaly as it is impossible. what tung is saying is that since they cant NATURALLY have children they should NOT be allowed to have them. obese people cant usually have children(well at a lowered rate anyways).

Well, people who need IVF can't have children naturally, which is why they need IVF (in case you didn't know, this is In-vitro fertilization which is basically test tube babies). And so the parents of the world who cannot naturally birth for one reason or another (even heterosexual parents) should not be allowed children. The argument was that if you can't naturally have them you can't have them. When you make a rule, if you make exceptions you will pay dearly in the future.

As well, I have brought up several points that are good reasons to allow more people to adopt - orphanages are packed - if gay people could adopt that is a whole lot more kids out of orphanages and into good homes.


ohh and good parents wont always notice the signs of bullying. parents that are nosey will. children are good at hiding most of the signs of bullying.

This is a different debate all together - but I will entertain it.
It all comes down to what you classify 'good parents' as. Personally, good parents are the one kids are comfortable talking to about anything - their problems specifically. So in my opinion, good parents will have children who will not hide that they are bullied at school but will come home and tell their parents. Also, are the so called 'nosey' parents who find out about the bullying and do something about it really all that bad? And for parents to be nosey they would have to have reason to act that way - and when your kid comes home beaten or starts becoming shy for no apparent reason usually abuse at school is the first assumed cause.

[Smash Bros]

firstly i know what IVF is. i studied it at school lol. im not saying that i agree with him im saying what he said.

secondly parents will not always know. i was comfortable with my parents and talked to them about a lot. still never told them about bullying. alot of kids dont.


ohhh and the first assumed thing is abuse at home. ask some teachers ;)

[Canadiana]

Smash Bros are you a parent?

[Jacx]

To some in here....don't make me edit and remove comments in here...this is serious discussion and its been a good discussion, enjoy the debate, say what u got to say, don't abuse it...and if u got nothing good to add to the debate, say nothing at all!

[Candi]

firstly i know what IVF is. i studied it at school lol. im not saying that i agree with him im saying what he said.

Fair enough, and I was replying to what was said.


secondly parents will not always know. i was comfortable with my parents and talked to them about a lot. still never told them about bullying. alot of kids dont.

ohhh and the first assumed thing is abuse at home. ask some teachers ;)

Again, the idea of good parents is not really at question here. The issue we were originally attending to - if I could return to the topic at hand - was that homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt children because their children will get picked on at school.

I retorted this by saying that children are picked on everyday for many reasons and if you are going to refuse children to gays because it gives bullies ammunition then we should consequently refuse children to everyone because regardless of who you are there is something about you that someone can and likely will pick on you for. So this is not a valid reason to refuse children to homosexuals.

[Smash Bros]

Smash Bros are you a parent?

my son is due to be born any day now.

[Canadiana]

Oh congrats. Anyways. When a child struggles and get bullied its not always the first thing assumed. The teachers never assume abuse at home. I should know. Mine always assumed it was cause I was different from a young age. I didn't fully accept that I was bi till later but I was already acting oddly compared to the other kids. I was more comfortable around the girls growing up which here is not a good sign (Cooties is usually the thing guys think girls have). My parents think it's a stage I outgrew. I didn't outgrow anything. I learned to hide it better.

[Tca]

well, i skipped after about page 9 as some of you fuckers posts are just too long

i have nothing against gays, bisexuals, lesbians, whatever

i don't like killer potatoes, killer penguins or dust bunnies though

[Smash Bros]

Oh congrats. Anyways. When a child struggles and get bullied its not always the first thing assumed. The teachers never assume abuse at home. I should know. Mine always assumed it was cause I was different from a young age. I didn't fully accept that I was bi till later but I was already acting oddly compared to the other kids. I was more comfortable around the girls growing up which here is not a good sign (Cooties is usually the thing guys think girls have). My parents think it's a stage I outgrew. I didn't outgrow anything. I learned to hide it better.

for me the teachers always thought it was soemthing at home. fuck we had the dep of child care show up on our doorstep accusing my parents of abuse. didnt go down too well. besides they turned around and said id made an accusation about it. lying cunts forgot to tell them i was dragged into it all after my little bro had made the accusations.


and ive always been more comfortable around females more then males. hence why im always called gay i guess :S

[Tca]

.
and ive always been more comfortable around females more then males. hence why im always called gay i guess :S

no, thats called jealousy :cheeky:

[Smash Bros]

rofl. that could be a decent reason aswell :D

im going with yours :P

[Tca]

It is mate, i get called gay all the time lol im like, hate me all you want, im still 2 steps ahead of you ;)

nah, but seriously, guys get jealous that your hanging out with their girlfriends all the time ;) :P

[tip]

faggotism is a crime against humanity.

Henceforth faggots and dikes, and teh most disgusting of all bi's are creatures, and you all need medicine.


I am a giant homophobe, and proud.

You things are gross

[raoul duke]

May all the homophobes be blessed with a gay son.

[Colonel Sanders]

That wouldn't happen because the "homophobe" parents would actually do their job and discipline and be active in their child's life so that outcome would never be possible. And if on some possibility it did anyways you would get the beating of yer life before it turned into a lifestyle.

[vixen]

I'm not. I just want to know who is scared of/hates me or people like me. And maybe I can alieviate some of the fears or hatreds

I don't have time to sit and waste my time reading the rest of this thread. What I will say is your attitude is very combative. Maybe people don't like you for you, not for your sexual prefrences.....Just a thought.....

[scissorknot]

May all the homophobes be blessed with a gay son.

:hehe:

Well said

[Drunken Monk]

I don't have time to sit and waste my time reading the rest of this thread. What I will say is your attitude is very combative. Maybe people don't like you for you, not for your sexual prefrences.....Just a thought.....

Was waiting till he ticked someone off..mission accomplished KAF.

[raoul duke]

That wouldn't happen because the "homophobe" parents would actually do their job and discipline and be active in their child's life so that outcome would never be possible. And if on some possibility it did anyways you would get the beating of yer life before it turned into a lifestyle.

It happens, it happened to a friend of my father, karmic retribution i say.

[hatchets]

Some how I got linked to this, so I figure I might as well post. In all honesty it is not MY place to tell a fag/dyke/bi that it is wrong. The reason it is not my place is because God has already done so, if I remember correctly it is stated as such "Thou shall not lay with another man as you do a woman. It is an abomination before God." Now I am not going to go quote the webster dictionaries definition on abomination, but I do know that means it does not mean it is accepted. I do not hate someone for their sexual preference, but things like that should be kept behind closed doors. Judgement will be passed in the after life.

My only problem with fags/dykes/bi's is that they tell other's that it is ok to be such. Which it is not. You do not want people tell you it is wrong, then don't tell others it is right. Keep it to yourself and move on about your life.

And futher more on a side bar, I find it is more likely a mental disorder. As your bodies natural function for sex is reproduction. Reproduction cannot occur with one of the same sex. So at that point it basically says you are retarded enough to believe you can accomplish this.

[wats_up]

Some how I got linked to this, so I figure I might as well post. In all honesty it is not MY place to tell a fag/dyke/bi that it is wrong. The reason it is not my place is because God has already done so, if I remember correctly it is stated as such "Thou shall not lay with another man as you do a woman. It is an abomination before God." Now I am not going to go quote the webster dictionaries definition on abomination, but I do know that means it does not mean it is accepted. I do not hate someone for their sexual preference, but things like that should be kept behind closed doors. Judgement will be passed in the after life.

My only problem with fags/dykes/bi's is that they tell other's that it is ok to be such. Which it is not. You do not want people tell you it is wrong, then don't tell others it is right. Keep it to yourself and move on about your life.

And futher more on a side bar, I find it is more likely a mental disorder. As your bodies natural function for sex is reproduction. Reproduction cannot occur with one of the same sex. So at that point it basically says you are retarded enough to believe you can accomplish this.

How nice of your "god" to give so many people "mental disorders"

Great one god!

[Grendel]

To be fair, Wats Up, we only have the 'word of god' as taken from the bible. And who wrote the bible? Priests did. So it's really the word of god as interpretated by certain people - people who needed to keep people under their control in order to justify their position...

[wats_up]

To be fair, Wats Up, we only have the 'word of god' as taken from the bible. And who wrote the bible? Priests did. So it's really the word of god as interpretated by certain people - people who needed to keep people under their control in order to justify their position...

Thats well said, Christianity has been horribly distorted by that.

Not their fault that they believe every word of a book written by people who's main interest at the time was to strike fear into people.

But to keep on topic, anyone who think gays have a mental problem are socially retarded and probably have never made friends with, or met a gay person before. If you have met many gay people, and still think that then you have more of a valid arguement. But remember every man is at least 1/10 gay.

[Colonel Sanders]

That argument holds no validity either.

Anyone can be friends with a serial killer and think they are just normal but if any of them are shown their true colours and the horrendous deeds they have done most would agree that they have a mental problem as well. This example is true with most people who have mental issues, gays are no more an exception than a serial killers mental problems, just different.

[wats_up]

That argument holds no validity either.

Anyone can be friends with a serial killer and think they are just normal but if any of them are shown their true colours and the horrendous deeds they have done most would agree that they have a mental problem as well. This example is true with most people who have mental issues, gays are no more an exception than a serial killers mental problems, just different.

Then in that case its out modern society that defunct, because many "gays" tick almost all of the boxes in whats socially accepted.

Serial Killers most commonly only have 1 or 2 friends and they will end up killing them anyway

Im gay myself. Hence why I am defending the gays.

Now you keep defending yourself by making pathetic relations. (i could easily insert 10 qoutes here) What you're doing is on the same level as racism. Are you racist?

I seriously dont know what to say to you, Im not trying to sell you "being gay" Im just trying to make you understand, that there is no mental problem. The mental problem lies with you. You and Hitler, both judging people on there race, sexual orintation.

When you get older you'll grow out of it anyway

[Colonel Sanders]

No I'm not racist at all. Having a strong dissent for gays is nowhere near racism either. No more than hating religion is, both are a lifestyle and both groups clearly have issues if they think either is right.

And also don't patronize me with the lines like "you'll grow out of it when you get older". People who say that clearly don't know how people work. I'm 20 not 13....it's highly unlikely any of my beliefs will change at this point. It's just as annoying as that grandmother you have that says crap like "oh well you might not believe in God now but when you grow older everything will be clear and you'll realize blah blah" so just cut that kinda shit.

[wats_up]

Atm, your hate for gays is the same as someone hate for blacks.

I mean you think they have mental problems, on the same level as seriel killers.

yes I did say "you'll grow out of it..." to annoy you, I did know you was 20, and I respect you for standing up in what you believe, a lot of poeple now-a-days have no problem for gays. What you're doing is good I guess, but

Can you find any proof, other than "its what I belive" that gay people actually have a mental disorder?

Can you find anything on it thats written by an intelligent source?

[Colonel Sanders]

Nah I've said this before. Other people can't seem to comprehend it but nevertheless.

I've always said that our very genes, chromosomes, the very way that we are made is proof, at least enough for me, that we aren't meant to be gay and that doing so is not natural. And I have always been strongly against everything that is not natural. I won't even take some pain medicine these days.

[Sir Brian]

I won't even take some pain medicine these days.

LMFAO!!! how im glad i'm not american. pledging loyalty everyday before school, brainwashed by right-wing conservatives. Long live Europe! Jacx, seriously, how could you move over there... and quite possibley bring up kids over there...

Anyway back on topic. In what way is being homosexual a "metal disorder"... Freddy Mercury was gay... i wouldnt of minded that mental disorder... the greatest rock band ever. In no way at all is being Gay a mental disorder or mutilation, it is a choice we make. In most cases people argue that we are born with the preference of either heterosexuality or homosexuality; and then we choose wether to act on this!

You, are a complete moron. Your kind need shooting.

[Colonel Sanders]

haha okay everything is a choice my friend. What drives it is what defines a disorder. You sir are the moron if you can't figure that out to try and use it against me.

[Quaker]

haha okay everything is a choice my friend. What drives it is what defines a disorder. You sir are the moron if you can't figure that out to try and use it against me.


K.A.F. I see you still remain active in these types of posts, however, you have yet to back up ANYTHING with any actual proof, other than rambling "because i say so," or "trust me".

It has to have been at least a year since your last "promise" to provide us all with these studies you have read proving your point, yet you still have not posted a thing.

It has been at least 4 years since Tron asked for this so called "evidence" of yours, and you still have yet to post ANYTHING.

This reply is not so much to you as it is to others who are replying to you, K.A.F. is a troll. Don't waste your time with him.

Before replying to him just remember he is the same person who said the following:

You want to hear some "harsh language" Quaker? alright I'll give you some. If I had the mental and physical capability I would slaughter gays by the millions till I could find no more. Then after I kill them, I would chop them up and feed their remains to cattle; because that is how low they are, their sub human degenerate psychopaths that have done nothing but poison the modern society since day 1.

Round 2

IF you or anyone else cannot see whats wrong with gay marriage and gay adoption you need to have your brain scanned. It is wrong from a religious standpoint, moral.. oh and from a standpoint that if I had to make a list of what the most terrible things a human can stoop to, turning gay and gays adopting innocent, unscarred children would be right at the top of the list. And I really cannot give you any more reasoning that that. Obviously the majority still believe that last part or else over half the world would still not be condemning it and in some countries killing over it.

. . .

See thats funny because at least I would guarantee that if I raised a child from birth I would not fail him and he would not turn up gay. I would rather him be taught to hate gays.. know that drugs and alcohol are bad, abusing animals are bad etc etc etc than to think something as awful as homosexuality is fine and dandy in todays modern society.

. . .

But let my reiterate IF I could have the choice of killing gays it would not be out of a simple hate crime, but out of the necessity of preserving the human culture that is dying every day because of the growing number of these people and the spreading of their lies.

If you are trying to get a rational / logical response out of him then don't waste your time, he just rambles on and on about nothing. Quite funny though!

[Colonel Sanders]

Your not active enough in these post anymore either Quaker to judge if I am, I figured that you had better stuff do to like me. I hadn't posted in this thread not once except for the last page, 16. In fact I hardly ever post in SD anymore like I used to.

And do you know why I actually posted a response? Because I knew wats up was a somewhat knowledgeable person and could carry on simple cross paragraph debates...not true for you as you have made evident once again. Your sir are the troll. Coming out of your hiding just to troll and flame one more time with your quote responses.....really your not impressing anyone.

[wats_up]

Hmm on the topic of natural and whats human nature or not

Now that real interesting you bringing that up.

Dont you have some spine disorder? I dont think you could stand a chance in the wild mate,

Everything has to mate to live right? Then why are you still a virgin who says these things on PC but would never confront a gay in real life.

I hate you because you're a cripple. And cripples shouldnt live imo, they waste resources and they waste time

[Sir Brian]

Hmm on the topic of natural and whats human nature or not

Now that real interesting you bringing that up.

Dont you have some spine disorder? I dont think you could stand a chance in the wild mate,

Everything has to mate to live right? Then why are you still a virgin who says these things on PC but would never confront a gay in real life.

I hate you because you're a cripple. And cripples shouldnt live imo, they waste resources and they waste time

:haha: Cameron! (Y) :D

[Quaker]

And do you know why I actually posted a response? Because I knew wats up was a somewhat knowledgeable person and could carry on simple cross paragraph debates...not true for you as you have made evident once again. Your sir are the troll. Coming out of your hiding just to troll and flame one more time with your quote responses.....really your not impressing anyone.

Awww that's cute.

Unless you can produce some facts to back yourself up, you are not having a debate with anyone.

I will, as I have, reply to any LGBTQ thread you post in asking for you to provide facts to back up your claims.

Tis quite a simple concept really.

[Az]

As long as they don't act like that grandpapaine queer I have no probs with em

[Diezel]

Its wrong all gay men should be castrated :chainsaw:


:dymond:

[Zeus]

Its wrong all gay men should be castrated :chainsaw:


:dymond:


Why should all gay men be castrated?

edit: gay has multiple meanings, specify

[Az]

all of the above

[Nazkyn]

Firstly, i'll kick this off with saying my brother is gay, and I have had friends that are gay. I'm talking from my own personal experience of homosexuals here which I fully understand can, and probably will be seen as small-minded.

I don't like homosexuals (male or female), it's not so much what they do, I personally could not give a flying fuck, aslong as it stays behind closed doors... I have yet to meet a homosexual that is able to do so. It's their whole attitude. I find gay men incredibly forward, they don't ease "I'm gay, by the way" into a conversation, rather cut all the shit and get all 'hands on' without so much as a "hi, my name is...", they rarely take no for an answer either.

I used to go to a gay bar with my brother, his partner and my other (straight) brother, it's not strange at all to meet other straight people (male and female) in this place, it's actually pretty common in this particular one. I made the huge mistake of wearing a leather jacket there once... i'll leave it at that. Wearing a leather jacket to a gay bar, I learned, is like walking into a whorehouse with a 50 quid note strapped to your pecker, seriously. That same night, some man (one of those womanly homo types), had a bit too much to drink, he stumbled on over to a disabled woman who is a regular there, dropped his pants, and tried to force his dick into her mouth. Later that night, some random guy walked out of the toilets, straight up to me at the bar, flicked water in my face, grabbed my ass and told me i'm gorgeous... did I tell you that gay men have awesome pick-up tactics!? I hastily made my way for the exit, and then, to top it all off - waiting outside was a guy they called 'Britney', I had never even spoken to him before, he instantly pushed me over to the nearest bench, pushed me over it (so that I was in a doggy position :$ ) and erm... I was fully clothed, by the way :) This MIGHT have actually been funny, but he was a complete stranger.

I understand that things far worse go on in the world than the examples I gave, I do actually have more extreme (personal) examples, but they're too personal to post here. I also understand that I am generalising, which is why I still give homosexuals a chance, but no, not the same as straight people.

Believe me when I say that I've been a judgemental little prick in the past, certain people can vouch for that small fact, nowadays, I like to think that I make a genuine conscious effort to equally respect everybody, I would like to respect gay men and women the same, but I don't, I'm not sure if I'm homophobic.

[Colonel Sanders]

Yeah well generalizing/stereotyping doesn't just come out of thin air. Most of the times it's true. And if that kind of behaviour isn't enough of an example of some sort of mental/emotional issues with the vast majority of gays then I don't know what is.

[Colonel Sanders]

Hmm on the topic of natural and whats human nature or not

Now that real interesting you bringing that up.

Dont you have some spine disorder? I dont think you could stand a chance in the wild mate,

Everything has to mate to live right? Then why are you still a virgin who says these things on PC but would never confront a gay in real life.

I hate you because you're a cripple. And cripples shouldnt live imo, they waste resources and they waste time

Well being some sort of crippled physically is not the same as being emotionally or mentally disturbed. And last time I checked my scoliosis doesn't prevent me from doing anything short of heavy lifting/standing for long periods of times. So I can still do quite a few things in this society...does it make me a survivor? Maybe not in a warfare/backpack wilderness sense but anything else I am just fine to survive thanks.

And where you get these pre-conceptions at I don't know. I have dealt with gays in real life countless times. Hell I have a gay friend (acquaintance really). I don't alienate myself from him or say HEY I HATE YOU can you follow me to back of the shed so I can beat you to death. He knows that I hate gays but doesn't bother him as we still talk.

He doesn't flaunt his sexuality around either and nobody would know that hes gay unless he told em. The only reason I tolerate him (and him specifically) is because I believe he is genuinely confused and has some sort of mental issue that drives his choices, unlike the majority where they have been emotionally scarred and weak and/or brainwashed. So I can tolerate him the same way I can tolerate an annoying person.

And as Quaker quoted I did in fact say that a few years ago and I still stand by that. It's all those fags that are attending these parades and try to talk all feminine, wear fucked up clothes and bullshit. Those are the ones that I would not hesitate to kill on sight...the others I most certainly would not and try to help/get down to the bottom of it scientifically to try and prove something one way or the other.

[Nazkyn]

Yeah well generalizing/stereotyping doesn't just come out of thin air. Most of the times it's true. And if that kind of behaviour isn't enough of an example of some sort of mental/emotional issues when the vast majority of gays then I don't know what is.

50% Agree with you lol, I would say generalisations and stereotypes hold SOME truth. Also, in my experience... every gay man that I know has had some kind of problem at a young age, BUT, I'm not convinced that their personal problems from childhood have shaped their sexuality.

[wats_up]

Well being some sort of crippled physically is not the same as being emotionally or mentally disturbed. And last time I checked my scoliosis doesn't prevent me from doing anything short of heavy lifting/standing for long periods of times. So I can still do quite a few things in this society...does it make me a survivor? Maybe not in a warfare/backpack wilderness sense but anything else I am just fine to survive thanks.

And where you get these pre-conceptions at I don't know. I have dealt with gays in real life countless times. Hell I have a gay friend (acquaintance really). I don't alienate myself from him or say HEY I HATE YOU can you follow me to back of the shed so I can beat you to death. He knows that I hate gays but doesn't bother him as we still talk.

He doesn't flaunt his sexuality around either and nobody would know that hes gay unless he told em. The only reason I tolerate him (and him specifically) is because I believe he is genuinely confused and has some sort of mental issue that drives his choices, unlike the majority where they have been emotionally scarred and weak and/or brainwashed. So I can tolerate him the same way I can tolerate an annoying person.

And as Quaker quoted I did in fact say that a few years ago and I still stand by that. It's all those fags that are attending these parades and try to talk all feminine, wear fucked up clothes and bullshit. Those are the ones that I would not hesitate to kill on sight...the others I most certainly would not and try to help/get down to the bottom of it scientifically to try and prove something one way or the other.

Oh sorry.

I was here thinking you HATED all gay men. But if you have a gay friends then I think its all ok.

I think you have it in your head that they have a mental disorder therefore if theyre an annoying person. theyre annoying because theyre gay.

Theres many annoying straight people as well. You never here of people hating straight people do you lol

[Az]

i say we just make an island and let them live there away from the rest of us like lepers

[wats_up]

i say we just make an island and let them live there away from the rest of us like lepers

Tropical island?


I'll be up for that

[the squid of despair]

It's all those fags that are attending these parades and try to talk all feminine, wear fucked up clothes and bullshit. Those are the ones that I would not hesitate to kill on sight...

LMAO, you're such a tough guy. Wouldn't hesitate to kill on sight?
Bullshit. If you're such a vigilante, that hates these homos so much, just go on that killing spree. I'm sure you've seen those kinds of gays before, did you kill them on sight? You don't have the balls to kill anything little man, run along... Go back to your fantasy world in your parents home.

[Colonel Sanders]

mmmmhmmmm.....And you felt the need to say this a week after I posted why?

And after all that you don't even read what I have been saying. Pretty big difference between "would kill them" and "do kill them".

Last time I checked I live in the U.S. and I am not apart of the army in Iraq so I can't kill people on sight.

We have fantasies of hurting people at one point or another in our lives all the time Squid. One of mine is killing these certain fags. I am no different than anyone else who has had violent thoughts. I'm human. Breaking the law and going out killing gays gets me nowhere and I know that......it's not like I am stating that it's some kind of blood lust.

So my statement is no different than the many many people who I have heard/read say they wouldn't hesitate to kill a Child Molester.

[Az]

Being Gay != Being A Child Molester

So You Need To Backpeddle And Try That Shit Again, Sanders

[the squid of despair]

mmmmhmmmm.....And you felt the need to say this a week after I posted why?

And after all that you don't even read what I have been saying. Pretty big difference between "would kill them" and "do kill them".

Last time I checked I live in the U.S. and I am not apart of the army in Iraq so I can't kill people on sight.

We have fantasies of hurting people at one point or another in our lives all the time Squid. One of mine is killing these certain fags. I am no different than anyone else who has had violent thoughts. I'm human. Breaking the law and going out killing gays gets me nowhere and I know that......it's not like I am stating that it's some kind of blood lust.

So my statement is no different than the many many people who I have heard/read say they wouldn't hesitate to kill a Child Molester.

I hate to break it to you, but I don't come here everyday looking for your posts to reply to. If I happen to see a post that I want to reply to (a week later) I will.

As for those that wouldn't hesitate to kill a child molestor, I call them out to. Don't talk about, be about it. There are very few scenarios that warrant killing KAF, one day you may understand life, outside of your bubble.

[Colonel Sanders]

I agree....which is why I am not out there trying to kill people.lol

I believe I said that.

[HellRaiser]

Nothing wrong will killing anything that is considered a social parasite that prey's on society.