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Calienta
6th March 2008, 12:26 PM
For those of you who are interested in feeding your dogs the best foods in order for them to be as healthy as possible.

Regardless of what your vet may tell you, the food they sell is SHIT. Vets don't take much in the way of nutrition training in University. What they do learn is taught by the nutrionists at the petfood companies who end up sponsoring the vets afterwards. Kind of a you rub my back I'll rub yours scenario.

DRY KIBBLE AND WET CANNED FOODS

Rule of thumb. If you can find it in a grocery store, it usually isn't any good.

BAD: Purina, IAMS, Eukanuba, Nutro, Hill's Science Diet, Diamond ... to name a few of the most well-known brands.

WHY?: Just look at the price. They are too inexpensive to contain good quality meat, and not much meat either, at that. So they put in inexpensive fillers such as gluten or wheat to buff up the food but keep the price down. Why would you feed your dog wheat? Do you think a wolf would go raiding the farmer's field to eat it? No. So why would your dog like it any better?

GOOD: California Natural, Innova EVO, Canidae, Orijen.

WHY?: More expensive than the other brands, they have a much higher quality of meat in their product and less-to-no fillers at all. They also don't pay an arm and a leg for expensive advertising, fancy packaging, or the right to be stocked in every grocery store in the country. Therefore, the quality goes way up but the price, in comparison, hardly does. Only small health or boutique pet stores sell these brands.

You will also save a bundle in vet bills. Bonus!

Here is a great site that allows you to pore through the ingredients and get a rating of how good (or bad) your food is. I just tested EaglePack and they've gone down due to having meal instead of a proper meat, two rice ingredients in their top 5, and corn. Poo.

http://www.k9cuisine.com/RateYourDogFood.aspx

RAW FOOD

Kibble and canned foods were designed only about 30 years ago to provide ease for pet owners. What did dogs eat before then? What do wolves eat in the wild? Well, wolves and dogs are omnivores. They kill animals and then chew their bones, eat the meat and whatever was in the stomach.

Wolves don't get arthritis, allergies, cancer, etc. So why do our dogs get so many diseases? Nutrition plays a major part in a dog's health. There are NO studies out there that show that a dog's Gastro intestinal (GI) tract is any different from that of a wolf. So why should we feed them any differently?

Things to note: There are studies out there that will argue against raw food. Because studies are incredibly easy to manipulate (ie: the company funding the study wants a specific outcome, most of the time that outcome will be found) I put more credit on the experiences of breeders and regular owners.

Also, you must be VERY careful when feeding raw. Raw food can contain salmonella, and while dogs are immune to this, humans are not. Always wash your hands after handling the food, and clean the food bowl/countertops thoroughly.

PRE-PACKAGED: Nature's Variety, Oma's Pride, ZiwiPeak, Mountain Dog Food, Pets4Life and Healthy Paws, to name a few, are all manufacturers of frozen, raw dog food. These contain human-grade meats such as chicken, venison, beef, lamb, rabbit, etc. They also contain bones, eggs and veggies -very important sources of calcium and vitamins. The great thing about these products is you don't need to worry about what you're feeding and if you're getting the correct amounts. Each patty/medallion is composed of specific ingredients and is formulated to provide everything your dog needs.

MAKING YOUR OWN: This is a very time-consuming but cheaper and BETTER alternative to buying pre-packaged raw foods. Most things that we eat, dogs can eat. If you can stomach preparing it yourself, I would suggest to do it this way. You have the benefit of knowing exactly what is going into the food, it can be changed around depending on what your dog likes/dislikes, and it's a good way of getting rid of meat or veggies that will expire in a day or two!

Go to your butcher and see what he offers in bulk for discount. Chicken and turkey necks, backs (yes, raw bones are fine for dogs, they do not break like cooked bones), venison during hunting season, livers, hearts, anything a wolf would chow down on is okay for your pet.

Go to the grocery store and get whatever fish and vegetables are on sale. Also pick up eggs, yogurt (with probiotics), sprouts, etc. There are people out there who will say a dog/wolf doesn't need veggies, that he is in fact a carnivore. Yes, it's true a wolf won't go pick a carrot out of the ground to eat it. But he will eat an entire rabbit, and that rabbit ate a carrot a few hours before so the wolf is now eating it too. My only advice here is that you should try to base your feeding on what would a wolf be eating in the wild?


There are plenty of sites out there, I would suggest you do your own research as I am NOT an expert on this subject, although I have done hours and hours of reading into nutrition, as I want my dogs to be the healthiest possible. But if you decide to go raw, please do your own research and come to your own opinions.

Ricecracker420
6th March 2008, 07:49 PM
lol, my parents volunteered at a wolf rescue
now we only feed my dogs raw chicken and bones
beef thigh bones (they love the marrow)
eggs
brown rice
they love it, especially considering one is half wolf

Calienta
6th March 2008, 08:24 PM
That's sweet! Glad to hear your dogs are nice and healthy :) (Y)

Ricecracker420
6th March 2008, 08:39 PM
the wolf's a fat bastard
he weighs as much as i do

Calienta
6th March 2008, 08:41 PM
LMAO maybe you feed him too much meat then!!

Ricecracker420
6th March 2008, 08:51 PM
he's a big, very smart dog.

He can open the cabinets and fridge and takes food when he feels like it.

i have a 120 pound lapdog

Calienta
6th March 2008, 08:53 PM
Nice lol. Post a picture in the Pet pics thread!

Ricecracker420
6th March 2008, 08:56 PM
will do

Dymond
7th March 2008, 02:13 PM
This is good stuff Cali.. We had a German Shephard named Gabby and we gave her egg yolks once a day (egg yolks bad for me, good for the dog). We used to call it ice cream. She loved it and it really made a difference in her coat health.

Thikpis
10th June 2008, 04:04 AM
Yeah, good post Cali.
But I thought the Grey Wolf and Dog are carnivores, albeit in a non obligate fashion.
Certainly they have a morpholgy specifically adapted for meat eating and a physiology less inclined for the digestion of plant matter.

Calienta
10th June 2008, 10:20 AM
Right but when they eat prey, they eat the entire thing, stomach and all. The stomach is filled with what the prey was eating, thus it's an indirect but common part of the wolf's diet.

Drunken Monk
10th June 2008, 11:43 AM
Always feed my dogs raw goat/lamb lungs, chicken liver and beef. Never give them any sort of processed or pre packaged stuff. And low calorie rice with mashed potatoes and some dal (don't know the english translations..lintels(?)) has been another staple for them. Occasionally the sneaky bastards steal some biscuits and milk as well but that's about it really.

Once one of them kept eating flowers and leaves from a plant growing on our terrace and threw up as a result for days on end till we figured out the problem. Don't want them to be eating any raw plants I don't think :hehe:


EDIT : Oh I forgot, they also eat minced fish sometimes and the thigh/leg bones of chickens as a bit of a chew.

Mikey:)
10th June 2008, 12:26 PM
I feed mine on working dog food, not only is it packed full of protein but it's also VAT free! He's full of energy and has never been to the vet for anything more than to get his claws clipped. I think the #1 factor in having a healthy dog is to give it plenty of exercise.

Thikpis
11th June 2008, 05:45 AM
I think some carnivores, in certain circumstance, will eat plant food to actually induce regurgitation. You might find that the problem was prior to the grass and flowers.
That's not to say that wolves and dogs have not adapted to some extent or learnt which plant matter does not make them crook and indeed might develop an appetite. wtfik?, my dog eats anyfuckingthing. I mean I make the effort with diet to feed the :bitch: variety for balance but when I see some of the shit she has tried to put down her digestive tract I wonder why I bother.:sneaky:

Doobz
11th June 2008, 09:55 AM
i used to have a German Shepard, doberman, collie mix... best dog i ever had... he was a straight up killer and smart as fuck... he stalked out anything that touched our yard and then fucked it up... rarely anything escaped. anyways we used to feed him that paul newman dog food and when we were broke and couldnt buy him no food for a day we would give him raw eggs milk and bread... he loved it and it made his coat purdy... he lived to be 16...

RIP rascal

the squid of despair
11th June 2008, 08:15 PM
sORry!

Spork!!!
11th June 2008, 09:59 PM
I used to get "dog blocks" from the local butcher. They were all the stuff he couldn't sell for ppl. to eat ground up. I heard from a vet that healthy dogs will have dry pale turds because of a high bone content in their diet, hias reasoning being they were more scavengers than straight out carnivores therefore more "leftovers" (bones) and less meat. These blocks were about %50 ground up bone, and my dog loved them and his turds were dryish and pale.
After I moved to another area, I found a discount butcher and just bought the cheapest stewing steaks they had, and the odd thigh bone. After all that fresh meat, he didn't like the dog blocks so much any more. He did enjoy the odd cat, and I can assure you the only parts he didn't digest were the pelt, the teeth and the claws. I know, he coughed up the biggest furball I've ever seen, in the loungeroom one night. He lived to be 17.

Flashman
12th June 2008, 12:51 AM
I just started Charlie on Orijen - he seems to like it, and the salesperson told me that no grain was a good idea - what do you think?

90 lbs 2 yr old Labradoodle

Thikpis
12th June 2008, 01:23 AM
Well, as far as the pet food companies are concerned and like any business they are driven by profit alone. They would, and do, forsake pet health and longevity, without second thought, in the name of margin enhancement. The shit on the ads and label is rhetoric generated by marketing gimps.

Also, what dogs may or may not have eaten prior to their domestication, apart from the observation that they were carnivorous, seems moot until the sciences of Archaeology and Genetics can close the 130,000 year gap between their respective theories for date of domestication.

Calienta
16th June 2008, 11:30 AM
I just started Charlie on Orijen - he seems to like it, and the salesperson told me that no grain was a good idea - what do you think?

90 lbs 2 yr old Labradoodle

Orijen is great - and no grain is great too. (Y)

Do you get it at Global Pet Foods?

Boycey07
16th June 2008, 11:36 AM
the best dog food comes in the form of a jehovas witness

Flashman
16th June 2008, 06:48 PM
Orijen is great - and no grain is great too. (Y)

Do you get it at Global Pet Foods?

yeah

Spork!!!
17th June 2008, 12:02 AM
the best dog food comes in the form of a jehovas witness

Mormons are low-fat, and dog gets some exercise chasing the bikes too.

Asshole
24th July 2008, 06:11 PM
For those of you who are interested in feeding your dogs the best foods in order for them to be as healthy as possible.

Regardless of what your vet may tell you, the food they sell is SHIT. Vets don't take much in the way of nutrition training in University. What they do learn is taught by the nutrionists at the petfood companies who end up sponsoring the vets afterwards. Kind of a you rub my back I'll rub yours scenario.

DRY KIBBLE AND WET CANNED FOODS

Rule of thumb. If you can find it in a grocery store, it usually isn't any good.

BAD: Purina, IAMS, Eukanuba, Nutro, Hill's Science Diet, Diamond ... to name a few of the most well-known brands.

WHY?: Just look at the price. They are too inexpensive to contain good quality meat, and not much meat either, at that. So they put in inexpensive fillers such as gluten or wheat to buff up the food but keep the price down. Why would you feed your dog wheat? Do you think a wolf would go raiding the farmer's field to eat it? No. So why would your dog like it any better?

GOOD: Eagle Pack, California Natural, Innova, Canidea, Orijen.

WHY?: More expensive than the other brands, they have a much higher quality of meat in their product and less-to-no fillers at all. They also don't pay an arm and a leg for expensive advertising, fancy packaging, or the right to be stocked in every grocery store in the country. Therefore, the quality goes way up but the price, in comparison, hardly does. Only small health or boutique pet stores sell these brands.

You will also save a bundle in vet bills. Bonus!

RAW FOOD

Kibble and canned foods were designed only about 30 years ago to provide ease for pet owners. What did dogs eat before then? What do wolves eat in the wild? Well, wolves and dogs are omnivores. They kill animals and then chew their bones, eat the meat and whatever was in the stomach.

Wolves don't get arthritis, allergies, cancer, etc. So why do our dogs get so many diseases? Nutrition plays a major part in a dog's health. There are NO studies out there that show that a dog's Gastro intestinal (GI) tract is any different from that of a wolf. So why should we feed them any differently?

Things to note: There are studies out there that will argue against raw food. Because studies are incredibly easy to manipulate (ie: the company funding the study wants a specific outcome, most of the time that outcome will be found) I put more credit on the experiences of breeders and regular owners.

Also, you must be VERY careful when feeding raw. Raw food can contain salmonella, and while dogs are immune to this, humans are not. Always wash your hands after handling the food, and clean the food bowl/countertops thoroughly.

PRE-PACKAGED: Nature's Variety, Oma's Pride, ZiwiPeak, Mountain Dog Food, Pets4Life and Healthy Paws, to name a few, are all manufacturers of frozen, raw dog food. These contain human-grade meats such as chicken, venison, beef, lamb, rabbit, etc. They also contain bones, eggs and veggies -very important sources of calcium and vitamins. The great thing about these products is you don't need to worry about what you're feeding and if you're getting the correct amounts. Each patty/medallion is composed of specific ingredients and is formulated to provide everything your dog needs.

MAKING YOUR OWN: This is a very time-consuming but cheaper and BETTER alternative to buying pre-packaged raw foods. Most things that we eat, dogs can eat. If you can stomach preparing it yourself, I would suggest to do it this way. You have the benefit of knowing exactly what is going into the food, it can be changed around depending on what your dog likes/dislikes, and it's a good way of getting rid of meat or veggies that will expire in a day or two!

Go to your butcher and see what he offers in bulk for discount. Chicken and turkey necks, backs (yes, raw bones are fine for dogs, they do not break like cooked bones), venison during hunting season, livers, hearts, anything a wolf would chow down on is okay for your pet.

Go to the grocery store and get whatever fish and vegetables are on sale. Also pick up eggs, yogurt (with probiotics), sprouts, etc. There are people out there who will say a dog/wolf doesn't need veggies, that he is in fact a carnivore. Yes, it's true a wolf won't go pick a carrot out of the ground to eat it. But he will eat an entire rabbit, and that rabbit ate a carrot a few hours before so the wolf is now eating it too. My only advice here is that you should try to base your feeding on what would a wolf be eating in the wild?


There are plenty of sites out there, I would suggest you do your own research as I am NOT an expert on this subject, although I have done hours and hours of reading into nutrition, as I want my dogs to be the healthiest possible. But if you decide to go raw, please do your own research and come to your own opinions.

Your diet must give you really bad breath, is that whats turning on the male forum goers nowadays? breath de la pedigree chum?