15 US soldiers rape 15yr old and kill her family

[CrayZii-InDiaN]

On an afternoon in March 2006, a force of 10 to 15 American troops raided the home of Qasim Hamzah Rashid al-Janabi, who was born in 1970 and who worked as a guard at a state-owned potato storehouse. Al-Janabi lived with his wife, Fakhriyah Taha Muhsin, and their four children - 'Abir (born 1991), Hadil (born 1999), Muhammad (1998), and Ahmad (1996).

The Americans took Qasim, his wife, and their daughter Hadil and put them in one room of their house. The boys Ahmad and Muhammad were at school since the time the Americans invaded the home was about 2pm. The Americans shot Qasim, his wife, and their daughter in that room. They pumped four bullets into Qasim's head and five bullets in to Fakhriyah's abdomen and lower abdomen. Hadil (7 years old) was shot in the head and shoulder.

After that, the Americans took 'Abir into the next room and surrounded her in one corner of the house. There they stripped her, and then the 10 Americans took turns raping her. They then struck her on the head with a sharp instrument - according to the forensic medical report - knocking her unconscious - and smothered her with a cushion until she was dead. Then they set fire to her body.

Source:
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060702_EyewitnessTestimonyOfUSRapeMurderOfI raqiFamily.php

[Nazkyn]

WTF :blank:

[TJ60]

link didn't work

[CrayZii-InDiaN]

try now
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060702_EyewitnessTestimonyOfUSRapeMurderOfI raqiFamily.php

[RobCheadle]

Man thats sick. Really sick. It makes you wonder how much of this shit goes on unreported. :-(

[TJ60]

it's 5 charged not 15.

[RobCheadle]

Here's a link to the progressing story in on CNN. Lets not forget, these 5 men are innocent until proven guilty...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/09/soldiers.charged/index.html

[CrayZii-InDiaN]

its just sick...

[for20gurl]

Man thats sick. Really sick. It makes you wonder how much of this shit goes on unreported. :-(

I am sure more than we want to know. one is way to many, especially since we shouldnt even be there anyways. Can you imagine the national coverage this would have been given if it had been an american family and "terrorists"?....hmmmm terrorist acts are terrorism no matter who is doing it. they should be punished as any other terrorists.

[Nazkyn]

This is what I don't get, Blair and Bush keep saying that muslims should be rooting terrorists out and publicly condeming acts of terrorism, someone in the American military must know about this, maybe i'm not paying attention and correct me if i'm wrong, but where has this been publicly condemned by any authorative figure??

[RobCheadle]

This is what I don't get, Blair and Bush keep saying that muslims should be rooting terrorists out and publicly condeming acts of terrorism, someone in the American military must know about this, maybe i'm not paying attention and correct me if i'm wrong, but where has this been publicly condemned by any authorative figure??


It's slightly different. If these men are proven to be guilty of these crimes then I'm sure Bush and Blair will publicly condemn it as a heinous crime... and rightly so.

The difference is that when a terrorist group bomb somewhere/someone their leaders do not condemn their actions. Quite the opposite, they stand up and say... 'Yep... that was us, our aim was to kill as many innocent infidels as possible'

[MG]

Here's the problem with some people in the military. They're crazy when they join, then they get trained to be killers which results in a crazy killer. Obviously politicians get involved and they want to put a good face on everything. The main problem is war is ugly, dirty, and terrifying. When you mix a psycho with the terrors of war, it's not a good thing. It's not just the American military that has these problems, it's every military.

Another problem is everything that goes on in this war is shown on TV. War is filled with atrocities, but everyone wants this war to be clean, and civilized. To be honest, this war is probably the most clean and civilized war that has ever been fought. Mainly because of the scrutiny placed on the military by the media. It's a lose, lose situation for the US in Iraq. They shoot at us from the rooftops of mosques and schools, but when we retaliate against those mosques and schools, all they show are the dead bodies of the civilians that were used as human shields by the enemy.

Obviously, I'm not defending what happened. Those 5 soldiers who raped the poor girl (IMO) should be shot in the face. I have zero tolerance for what they did. Not only did they ruin the life of an innocent child, they probably are responsible for increasing the violence there, and giving the muslim world more fuel to hate the US.

[liberian]

it is sad to see or hear something like that a disgrace to your country

[Nazkyn]

It's slightly different. If these men are proven to be guilty of these crimes then I'm sure Bush and Blair will publicly condemn it as a heinous crime... and rightly so.

The difference is that when a terrorist group bomb somewhere/someone their leaders do not condemn their actions. Quite the opposite, they stand up and say... 'Yep... that was us, our aim was to kill as many innocent infidels as possible'

At the end of the day mate it's a fact that this has happened it's also a matter of fact that suspicion is around US soldiers, there's still a huge crime to condemn, now.

[Tekke]

it's what happen when a country elect a dumbass who send dumbasses at war for his own profit(and his friends profit)
thank you so much mister bush:wall:
plz american people don't do this horrible mistake again:mad:

any war is to condemn!

[RobCheadle]

Here's the problem with some people in the military. They're crazy when they join, then they get trained to be killers which results in a crazy killer. Obviously politicians get involved and they want to put a good face on everything. The main problem is war is ugly, dirty, and terrifying. When you mix a psycho with the terrors of war, it's not a good thing. It's not just the American military that has these problems, it's every military.

Another problem is everything that goes on in this war is shown on TV. War is filled with atrocities, but everyone wants this war to be clean, and civilized. To be honest, this war is probably the most clean and civilized war that has ever been fought. Mainly because of the scrutiny placed on the military by the media. It's a lose, lose situation for the US in Iraq. They shoot at us from the rooftops of mosques and schools, but when we retaliate against those mosques and schools, all they show are the dead bodies of the civilians that were used as human shields by the enemy.

Obviously, I'm not defending what happened. Those 5 soldiers who raped the poor girl (IMO) should be shot in the face. I have zero tolerance for what they did. Not only did they ruin the life of an innocent child, they probably are responsible for increasing the violence there, and giving the muslim world more fuel to hate the US.

Well said MG. Well said.


At the end of the day mate it's a fact that this has happened it's also a matter of fact that suspicion is around US soldiers, there's still a huge crime to condemn, now.

How can you condemn an individual or individuals on suspicion?

I agree they should condemn the crime at least... if they havent already.

[tca]

all i can say is BRAVO america, BRAVO

if they are guilty, shows only a cock up of a country could produce such cunts and what's more, give them weapons and train them

harsh comment, but your all thinking it

[RobCheadle]

all i can say is BRAVO america, BRAVO

if they are guilty, shows only a cock up of a country could produce such cunts and what's more, give them weapons and train them

harsh comment, but your all thinking it

It's true mate but unfortunately most countries are guilty of the same.

What we have to remember is that there are true heroes out there in many different countries that are alien to them, away from their families, fighting for what they believe to be freedom for many innocent people.

At all social levels there are good people and bad people within our civilisation, although good people may not directly decide on the fate of our counties right now we must remember there are people at an equivalent level campaigning for peace.

I may not be 100% behind the 'decision' to send our troops away to foreign lands to carry out these actions, but I am damn sure that I'm 100% behind the troops

:Uk: :Uk: :Uk: :Uk: :Uk: :Uk: :Uk: :Uk: :Uk: :Uk: :Uk: :Uk:

[Nazkyn]

How can you condemn an individual or individuals on suspicion?

I agree they should condemn the crime at least... if they havent already.

I said it's a matter of fact that suspicion is around US soldiers to point out that it's upto America to condemn the crime, not upto anyone to condemn any individuals on suspicion.

[marott]

all i can say is BRAVO america, BRAVO

if they are guilty, shows only a cock up of a country could produce such cunts and what's more, give them weapons and train them

harsh comment, but your all thinking it

things like this do not make me proud to be american, but dont act like we are the only fucking people who do this

[SweetHoney]

*hmmm* As I see it, just about every nation on our planet has participated in a war. By the acceptance of this fact as a truth, I can assume that someone was killed. If this is the case, how can any one nation condemn any other nation for the crimes OF war.

Does it honestly matter by what means we kill? Is not death yet death? In the end it really only matters to those left behind. If we believe that war is the answer, and death the means, then we cannot expect those doing the killing to be conscious of which are considered to be acceptable methods of death.

I do not condone acts of war, nor do I accept that a crime committed by a certain soldier is representative of a nation as a whole. MG put it well, and you cannot hold an entire nation responsible for the acts of a few "crazy killers".

You would almost HAVE to be crazy to kill someone, wouldn't you? What if you didn't have a personal reason to hate someone, how would you go about taking their life? Why do we care about the WAY the killing is processed? Because we DO care, and we do NOT believe that war is the answer, nor death the means.

Therefore, it could just as easily be said, that we are all responsible for the actions of every Hitler, every Dalmer, every Hussein, and every Bush by our inability to keep such heinous acts from occurring. We can only stop war and torture from happening by stopping the hatred and the fear that causes us to fight over land, oil, women, and freedom. (or whatever) Good luck with that *btw*

Please try to remember that the people fighting the war in Iraq are not the ones who started it, nor are they even the same people who left their homes to be in the war. They will likely never be the same young people who left their farms and families to sacrifice their lives (not only physically) for our rights as a nation/a people/a planet.

Freedom is not something that the whole world has, despite the incapacity for us to realize this fact. In the very article posted it states that the "boys" were in school. The daughters are not allowed this right. Had that daughter been in school, with her brothers, where she belonged, this crime would not even have been possible. The story is sketchy, at best, to begin with. There is an eyewitness to the soldiers being present, not to the actual crime as the headline leads us to believe. The rape itself is not even a fact as the only documented "proof" is the eyewitness who sees the girl in a state that shows she may have been violated.

Not that any of this makes the rape of a young girl acceptable in the least, but we must remember the source first, then understand the situation in its entirety...to the best of our abilities. Only then can we condemn the PEOPLE responsible for their crimes against any human being, and only if the facts prove that a crime has been committed.

[tca]

To my comment, No, America isn't the only ones who do twisted shit like that, Rather, Who produces cunts like that, The war was America's idea though, While im not against war, You can't really tell me it wasn't America's idea

Oh thanks to the people who gave me bad rep for my comment too, assholes :D

Back on topic though, America isn't the only one who is fucked up, Every country has some degree of fuckwits in it, I merely said, Congratulations on giving them weapons and training them

[RobCheadle]

I said it's a matter of fact that suspicion is around US soldiers to point out that it's upto America to condemn the crime, not upto anyone to condemn any individuals on suspicion.

I'm not quite making sense of that mate. I think I know what you were originally trying to say though.

[Kat]

Some disordered responses to SweetHoney (and others probably):

I think what you're arguing is that death happens in war, and that we can either condemn war as a whole, or accept the deaths. I'd argue that we can expect the army to be "conscious of which are considered to be acceptable methods of death", because (I think) there are rules that have been signed about this. If a government agrees (as I think the US government has, but I don't have details, so correct me if I'm wrong) that killing (and raping) civilians is not acceptable, then they have a responsibilty to train their troops to follow this. Someone along the line, then, if this story is true, there must be accountability.
What I'm trying to say is that it's not a theoretical debate about the rights and wrongs of war, because there is legistation covering this.


Please try to remember that the people fighting the war in Iraq are not the ones who started it, nor are they even the same people who left their homes to be in the war

True, but they did choose to join the army. I'd be more with you if the US army was conscripted, but it's not. Ultimately soldiers are responsible (both morally and legally, although to what extent the latter I don't know) for their own actions.

Finally I don't think it's ridiculously off-topic to bring up Guantanamo Bay, considering the number of 'innocent until proven guilty' comments in this thread. Western governments need to stop applying different moral codes to different situations to suit their own agendas. Foreigners, even those we are at war with, even terrorists, are humans, and to not treat them us such makes a mockery of the concept of human rights.

[SweetHoney]

I guess what it boils down to is this...

If you are going to expect people to kill people on command, train them to do so, and then give them a weapon and a target, you can't expect the guy holding the weapon to give a shit HOW the "bad guy" or the "enemy" (the one they see killing children) dies. They know the rules, but they also know the expression that, "All's fair in love and war".

Those poor young men and women, seeing atrocities that we can only imagine, become sketchy of everyone they come in contact with. How could they not think that every child or woman will kill them when in fact they are quite frequently attacked by children bearing arms, or women wired with bombs. Women and children should be the ones being protected...not being made into human "shields" for their soldiers.

It is only a game of chess to those "playing the game", the ones that start it. Those are the people that decide on the rules they expect others to "follow". They tell the guys and gals on the front lines who the enemy is. They are not out there deciding for themselves who should live or die...we are at war with people who killed thousands of our men, women, and children as far as they are concerned. And if they haven't yet killed our babies, they are going to, or have threatened to. This is how they HAVE TO see it to even survive.

When faced with the constant pressure and stress of death and dying on a daily basis, and when your "opponent" doesn't even KNOW the rules, it would likely be difficult to remain vigilant. Insanity would set in, and you could easily find yourself caught up in the events of the moment.

Quite honestly it is hard for me to think of the headgames that must occur in the first place to get a bunch of kids straight out of high school to kill people. Most of them were only looking for a free ride through college. I was a day away from Marine Corp. boot camp at one point of my life for this very reason. It was arranged prior to my graduation. Had I actually ever faced the possibility of killing or being killed, I would likely have died at the hands of my enemy.

The only way to make killing right (in their minds) is to make the enemy more than just a target, because looking another human being in the eyes and pulling a trigger is against our morals and our ethics on all levels. This evil entity (worthy of being shot) must be made into a monster to get kids to shoot them. The fact that they get carried away at times is inconsequential in the long run. Yes, what they do is wrong...period. Hitler used euthanasia...almost more humane...and yet, men, women, and children died by the thousands. He was sick, yes...but he was effective in killing people...the goal at the time.

Just for the record, being convicted in a "court marshall" is far more severe than any punishment imposed in any other court of the United States. The military holds their own accountable, and are far more unaccepting of the crimes of war than we know in the general public. They follow their rules to the letter, and expect each and every soldier to do the same.

[eggs]

On an afternoon in March 2006, a force of 10 to 15 American troops raided the home of Qasim Hamzah Rashid al-Janabi, who was born in 1970 and who worked as a guard at a state-owned potato storehouse. Al-Janabi lived with his wife, Fakhriyah Taha Muhsin, and their four children - 'Abir (born 1991), Hadil (born 1999), Muhammad (1998), and Ahmad (1996).

The Americans took Qasim, his wife, and their daughter Hadil and put them in one room of their house. The boys Ahmad and Muhammad were at school since the time the Americans invaded the home was about 2pm. The Americans shot Qasim, his wife, and their daughter in that room. They pumped four bullets into Qasim's head and five bullets in to Fakhriyah's abdomen and lower abdomen. Hadil (7 years old) was shot in the head and shoulder.

After that, the Americans took 'Abir into the next room and surrounded her in one corner of the house. There they stripped her, and then the 10 Americans took turns raping her. They then struck her on the head with a sharp instrument - according to the forensic medical report - knocking her unconscious - and smothered her with a cushion until she was dead. Then they set fire to her body.

Source:
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editorials/signs20060702_EyewitnessTestimonyOfUSRapeMurderOfI raqiFamily.php





or is this true the iraqies should pay they are prbably lieing they are all assholes they want ameriac to look bad

[SweetHoney]

For those that do not know why they haven't heard anything...look again. These results are only for the "main" character (Steven Green) in this hidious action. All found in five minutes of searching online.

Yahoo News Search brought up more than 1300 articles.
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=%22Steven%20Green%22%2Brape&ei=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&fr=moz2&fr2=tab-web

CNN has these 79 articles accessible here.
http://search.cnn.com/pages/search.jsp?query=Steven%20Green

There are 54 articles accessible via this website referrencing the case.
http://lawcrawler.findlaw.com/scripts/lc.pl?entry=Steven+Green&sites=news

This site will keep you up to date about the actual proceedings against Steven Green and the others.
http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/iraq/usgreen63006cmp.html