Glamorized crime starting to take effect?

[peddle07]

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I'm not one to start on about video games and rap ruining peoples minds, but its pretty bad when a 7 year old kid steals a car because its fun to run into other cars, and do "hoodrat stuff". Then the kid thinks a reasonable punishment would be no video games for a weekend. Really what kids are exposed to comes down to parental discretion, but the real opinion I'm looking for, is what do you think is a reasonable punishment for someone of this age, with such a mindset? I personally don't see any reason why he shouldn't be put into a juvenile detention center. This isn't something that can be let to slide, it's better to try and fix this problem and really let the kid know the magnitude of his actions, if not he'll just end up on the news again, doing fun "hoodrat" stuff.

[Mendal]

This kid needs such an ass beating it's not even funny. I really hope this isn't for real.

[Rev.Alushaun]

I would beat the hell outta that little bastard. Thats some bullshit, lock the fucker up.

[Doobz]

while i in no way condone this kids actions and i believe an ass whoopen by the childs parents will do much more good than any incarceration the kid could recieve, we are about a day late and a dollar short on this whole issue... its been going on for years and years and we havent done anything about it... is it because of the go go go lifestyle weve created for ourselves? we are always on the move, we work to much, and we dont spend enough time with our children... does that have some kind of effect on the child... im sure it does. Anyone can use video games and music to scapegoat why we are what we are but it ultimately comes down to the upbringing we have had as children and the way we raise our own children... i think we need to become more active in and participate in everything our children do... they dont just come out like that they are programed to be like this... we make our own choices and decisions, and ill be the first to say that my bad decisions have taught me way more than my good decisions... they were learning experiences and its what we do with that knowledge that makes us "better people"

i dont think they need to go to extremes with this kid but definately beat it. beat the fuck out of it... perhaps even punish the parents

[Drunken Monk]

I'm not one to start on about video games and rap ruining peoples minds, but its pretty bad when a 7 year old kid steals a car because its fun to run into other cars, and do "hoodrat stuff". Then the kid thinks a reasonable punishment would be no video games for a weekend. Really what kids are exposed to comes down to parental discretion, but the real opinion I'm looking for, is what do you think is a reasonable punishment for someone of this age, with such a mindset? I personally don't see any reason why he shouldn't be put into a juvenile detention center. This isn't something that can be let to slide, it's better to try and fix this problem and really let the kid know the magnitude of his actions, if not he'll just end up on the news again, doing fun "hoodrat" stuff.



Well there's several options of dealing with this child. I personally don't think he should be taken into custody or a juvenile facility, neither do i agree with what the cops called "getting him into the system". The thing is, the moment you do that, you are labelling the child as a deviant, and one who has exhibited anti-social and/or unacceptable behaviour. Once you label the child, there is a genuine chance that they will carry out a self fulfilling prophecy i.e. live up to the label. Basically in lay man's terms, if you call him bad, he might start believing it and actually act that way.

This kid is 7 years old. Clearly it's not a case of malicious behaviour. At that age, i'd be surprised if he knew the right way to wipe himself on the toilet. What he needs is a rational explanation of his bad decisions and a thorough talking. Again, he's seven! It shouldn't be too hard to convince him that he hasn't done something appropriate. Once that fact sinks through, he needs some mild re-habilitation - positive re-inforcement for good things he does and negative re-inforcement for all the times he steps out of line again.

Its much more milder that way and has much less chance of distorting the poor guy's personality. The kid clearly needs some direction that's all..but again, he's seven! Nip it in the bud and move on.

[Doobz]

i totly agree with you monk... the last thing you want to do is lock him up... i can attest to what that does to your mindframe... its not at all rehabilitating, it will fuck him up for good

[JaiJai]

well the first problem I see here is why does his grandma have custody of him, when it's clear his mom is still in the picture? (he said "can mom help her pay for it") That's the thing, parents sluff off their responsibilities for their children to other ppl because they simply don't have interest in raising them.

2nd... he said he wanted to do "hoodrat" stuff.. well I imagine the neighborhood he lives in is probably full of "hoodrats" and he is learning from the older ones out on his streets. It's a vicious circle ppl... and it isn't going to change until people get more proactive in these neighborhoods and in these kids' lives, and the parents and guardians are the majority of the problem.. they take very little interest in their lives.

Another thing...the grandma said she'd spank his butt if she wasn't afraid of going to jail. Even though I don't have kids and I haven't ever spanked my neice and nephew (just my own choice)... I don't see anything wrong with a spanking in a situation like this, why has our system made parents afraid to discipline kids? More than that though...he needs a structured lifestyle... a curfew (an early one at 7 years old).. he needs strict guidlines...someone taking interest in his education and his afterschool activities..etc.. etc... But making it happen is another story.

Working with the Division of youth services, I've seen alot of youth from these neighborhoods. But we got them After they pass 12 years old, and after they've started dealing with weapons and drugs and after a court system sentences them to juvenile custody. It's basically a last shot to reform them before they are 17 and into the adult system. Many of these kids are changeable... however not in the short time our system has them (3 to 9 months). It takes consistency on the part of their entire support system AFTER they leave our facilities. And, unfortunately..it's just not something most of them will ever recieve. While in our custody, they got their GEDs, group counseling, one on one counseling, structured dorm life with other juveniles with 24/7 staff supervision, healthy eating and excercise education, money handling and bill paying classes for when they get out on their own, etc..

THEN.. when they are released, they go back to the same households they were in before we got them.. same peers, same friends, same parents, etc..rather than transitioning them slowly and educating the parents. How in the world are they supposed to continue change when it's not followed through with?? Argh it's frustrating.

[Grendel]

Do away with prisons. All crime should be punishable with one punishment - standard execution. On the spot, one bullet to the head... Watch crime disappear overnight!

In no way is this meant to be taken seriously...

[wats_up]

Do away with prisons. All crime should be punishable with one punishment - standard execution. On the spot, one bullet to the head... Watch crime disappear overnight!

In no way is this meant to be taken seriously...

Fuck you and your white writing

[Drunken Monk]

Do away with prisons. All crime should be punishable with one punishment - standard execution. On the spot, one bullet to the head... Watch crime disappear overnight!

In no way is this meant to be taken seriously...


We'd all be dead Jeremy..don't tell me you've never committed a crime, ever! No matter how small or insignificant it may seem, we've all done it and to say otherwise is hypocritical. So I guess the whole human race should be mass executed then. If that happens, I for one will kick my executioner dead centre in the balls grab his gun and shoot both his eyes out. Then I'd throw it in front of him and say "reach for it bitch" and walk away while he flails around like a drunk chimpanzee.

[CRAZY JAMAICAN]

shoot both his eyeballs out without killing him?? not bad...

[Doobz]

damn monk... how violent you are in your ways :)

only i would smile at that thought...

P.S. notice the white caption under grendels post :D

[Drunken Monk]

P.S. notice the white caption under grendels post :D


Jeremy you cheeky bastard! I was wondering why a person of your intellectual capacity would resort to that level of fascism! lol, nice one mate, had me totally fooled. :D

[Tca]

I love threads like this. Video games have not much effect on people who mentally have something in their head that makes them want to do this, sorry. Would it help push them that extra step? Sure, but i think an argument based on that altogether is tripe, people who are going to get in trouble, are going too no matter what happens, weather it be predisposed, premeditated, just a victim of circumstance (hate that term by the way) there will always be a problem with this kind of shit unless like resa said, they start targeting the areas these problems are in.

Who the fuck lets their kid out at 7 years old anyways? More to the point, violent video games that encourage this sort of behaviour shouldn't be getting played by 7 year olds, whats the solution? I don't know honestly, i don't really think its something that is ever gonna be solved 100%.

[Colonel Sanders]

How do video games apply to this story? I know he said that should be his punishment (lol) but where does the story say that video games caused this?

I mean really no amount of punishment by his parents will do anything. The simple fact that he is that far gone and even able to be out at seven years old shows the epic failure that is his parents/guardians.

And let us not forget that 7 years old in this day and age AND in the black community is more like 12 years old. He knew damn well what he was doing and that it was wrong and how serious it was in terms of law breaking, anyone who says otherwise is either a dumbshit or severly misinformed about todays youth and the black community.

I don't really know what punishment would be correct for this child. I guess the best I can come up with is get him better parents...lol He's probably too far gone to be any real law abiding american and not just another nigger. (no racism intended, there are niggers and there are black people, you guys should know the difference in the terminology used by non racist people these days).

[I_Rock_Glocks]

check it out, im a game nut i love to play video games, do they have a negative effect on people? HELL YES THEY DO! video games add to the desensitization of people, along with movies, TV, and the every day world. Does this mean video games should be banned or censored? HELL NO! artistic freedom. to say video games dont have an effect on people is denial or ignorance. in the 1950's 7 year olds didnt steal cars to smash em into other cars. The fact that the kid said "hood rat" is proof enough, granted a hood rat is a bitch where im from, but i digress. The kids mind has been desensitized to wrong doin because of shit he sees and hears, kids dont just wake up one day all innocent then go steal a car, theres a reason. and dont say hes poor, brat lives in palm springs. just saying world coming to and end, the death of us will be the hyphe movement.



and ill bet $500 that kid caught a mean ass whoopin for that

[Drunken Monk]

check it out, im a game nut i love to play video games, do they have a negative effect on people? HELL YES THEY DO! video games add to the desensitization of people, along with movies, TV, and the every day world. Does this mean video games should be banned or censored? HELL NO! artistic freedom. to say video games dont have an effect on people is denial or ignorance. in the 1950's 7 year olds didnt steal cars to smash em into other cars. The fact that the kid said "hood rat" is proof enough, granted a hood rat is a bitch where im from, but i digress. The kids mind has been desensitized to wrong doin because of shit he sees and hears, kids dont just wake up one day all innocent then go steal a car, theres a reason. and dont say hes poor, brat lives in palm springs. just saying world coming to and end, the death of us will be the hyphe movement.



and ill bet $500 that kid caught a mean ass whoopin for that





The point of this thread (although it's almost unavoidable i suppose) wasn't to discuss why he did it, it was to discuss what an appropriate punitive measure is for such an action. Video games/TV/negligence/innapropriate surroundings, they probably all played a role in socialising this kid in to his current frame of mind, but that's not the point. What was put to debate is, what should be done about his actions.

[Condom]

beating his ass is definetly not the solution. this is a child! we should not Kill him either, although that would greatly deter crime and i kinda like the notion but most would be killed in this situation and the world would be run by girl scouts, i dont totally disagree with that though. i love cookies. anyways, how do you determine the appropriate punishment for any crime let alone a crime that a 7 yo committed? is the death penalty a good measure? is prison meant to be punitive or rehabilitative? does the juvenile system form troubled young minds into great criminal adult minds? these are all problems that everyone has different answers for and should be considered with great care. i personally feel that this child should be taken away from his gaurdians (for a short time maybe a week) just to show him the magnitude of his actions. during this time from he should undergoe intensive psychiatric rehab and should be shown how this effects other people. you have to remember that most children are niaive to the problems of the world and take to heart greatly the effects their actions have on others. he should be taught as he is not broken and he should not be punished as there was no harmful intent.

[Drunken Monk]

beating his ass is definetly not the solution. this is a child! we should not Kill him either, although that would greatly deter crime and i kinda like the notion but most would be killed in this situation and the world would be run by girl scouts, i dont totally disagree with that though. i love cookies. anyways, how do you determine the appropriate punishment for any crime let alone a crime that a 7 yo committed? is the death penalty a good measure? is prison meant to be punitive or rehabilitative? does the juvenile system form troubled young minds into great criminal adult minds? these are all problems that everyone has different answers for and should be considered with great care. i personally feel that this child should be taken away from his gaurdians (for a short time maybe a week) just to show him the magnitude of his actions. during this time from he should undergoe intensive psychiatric rehab and should be shown how this effects other people. you have to remember that most children are niaive to the problems of the world and take to heart greatly the effects their actions have on others. he should be taught as he is not broken and he should not be punished as there was no harmful intent.


So the death penalty is a good idea then eh?

I suppose the Zanu PF killing hudreds of "criminals" and "seperatists" and "conspirators" in Zimbabwae is perfectly acceptable then? The government views them as criminals after all and they're trying to topple the regime so death to the bastards!

I suppose Stalin's purges in the 1940s and 1950s against "Zionist agents" and "Titoists" and "Fascists" was perfectly acceptable then as well? After all, they were criminals too who had the audacity and the shameless guts to voice their own opinions, the scum!

I suppose the Jalianwala Bag massacre in Amritsar, India in 1915 when General Dyer opened fire and killed 115 people for "mass gathering in a public place" was completely acceptable as well? Hey, the British government had banned all such "violent and disruptive gatherings" just a day before and these "criminals" had the balls to celebrate their yearly harvest! Hell there wasn't even a trial involved there, just a quick, mass execution for the terrorists!

Damn I wish every one of your posts is in AIW from now on cause I just feel like tearing into you everytime you open that mouth of yours.

[EviLWaYz]

So the death penalty is a good idea then eh?

I suppose the Zanu PF killing hudreds of "criminals" and "seperatists" and "conspirators" in Zimbabwae is perfectly acceptable then? The government views them as criminals after all and they're trying to topple the regime so death to the bastards!

I suppose Stalin's purges in the 1940s and 1950s agains "Zionist agents" and "Titoists" and "Fascists" was perfectly acceptable then as well? After all, they were criminals too who had the audacity and the shameless guts to voice their own opinions, the scum!

I suppose the Jalianwala Bag massacre in Amritsar, India in 1915 when General Dyer opened fire and killed 115 people for "mass gathering in a public place" was completely acceptable as well? Hey, the British government had banned all such "violent and disruptive gatherings" just a day before and these "criminals" had the balls to celebrate their yearly harvest! Hell there wasn't even a trial involved there, just a quick, mass execution for the terrorists!

Damn I wish every one of your posts is in AIW from now on cause I just feel like tearing into you everytime you open that mouth of yours.
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