The British National Party...

[Sir Brian]

has gained 3 more council seats in Stoke - upon - Trent, which makes that 9 councils in the city. I will update this thread once Eastenders has finished :P

"The BNP is the foremost patriotic political party in Great Britain. Chairman Nick Griffin is leading the BNP to new heights of political success..." :hehe:

Just wondered what people thought about the BNP and right-wing political parties in general...?

Personnally i support the BNP and vote for them.

[Drunken Monk]

Right wing parties are fine. Right wing racists and shameless propagandists are not. The BNP are a bunch of low lives and I hope Nick Griffin chokes on his own dick. And no, I'm not just being blindly prejudiced..The National Front and BNP were on my course and I had the misfortune of studying about them for a whole year. Ask me, and I shall tell you why I hate them so vehemently.

EDIT : This doesn't belong in Serious Discussion either.

[Sir Brian]

Right wing parties are fine. Right wing racists and shameless propagandists are not. The BNP are a bunch of low lives and I hope Nick Griffin chokes on his own dick. And no, I'm not just being blindly prejudiced..The National Front and BNP were on my course and I had the misfortune of studying about them for a whole year. Ask me, and I shall tell you why I hate them so vehemently.

why?
apart from the fact that you are new to this country and believe that the British people should be welcoming to everybody. just think about India, and how you may feel if immigration occurred at the rate at which it does in Britain/France etc... :(

[steff]

It does belong in SD. They are a legit party.

They have too much stigma around them to get enough votes to mount a serious challenge ever. That and the fact half their ideas are shit or unchangeable makes them only slightly attractive.

No immigration? Our population would decline probably. If Britain wants to continue to be a major force in the world they need as many people as they can. Personally I'd prefer people from the commonwealth too but I'm sure the Polish will eventually speak English. :P

Withdraw from the EU? Say goodbye to FDI and watch Britains economy stagnate.

et al...

[Drunken Monk]

why?
apart from the fact that you are new to this country and believe that the British people should be welcoming to everybody. just think about India, and how you may feel if immigration occurred at the rate at which it does in Britain/France etc... :(


I don't think British people should be welcoming to everybody and I do believe that they should have some control over immigration for sure. I personally am only here till I finish my university education and then I'm gone! Also, I'm not "new" to the country anymore..2 years back, yeah maybe.

My only point of contention is with the fact that BNP has absolutely bullshit ideas which are completely non-practical, racist, provocative and totally dogmatic. If you said you supported the conservatives (who by the way have a much better policy on immigration than the BNP) I would've said fair enough.

Oh and as far as thinking about immigrants in India is concerned, we have our fair share. Yes, we are about 50 times larger than this tiny island and yes, we aren't as accesible as Britain either, but that doesn't mean we don't undertsand the issues. I'm not speaking for my country, just for myself. And by the way, I'm quite sick of the standard argument that these plonkers use! "Immigrants never try and integrate in to mainstream British society and they're culturally segregationalist." When's the last time you tried to get to know a non-white, non-indeginous British resident? When's the last time you tried to make an effort to inform/educate them about your culture? A lot of immigrants who come here, don't have the time or the luxury to explore British social attitudes and/or cultural heritage. How about reaching out to them once in a while and making the process easier for them and yourself. The "you" I was referring to here wasn't you in particular Brian, it was people who think like you in general.


EDIT : I wonder what the BNP would've said about Britain colonising half the world by the way..I suppose emmigration and imperialism they would've been cool with huh?

[Sir Brian]

EDIT : I wonder what the BNP would've said about Britain colonising half the world by the way..I suppose emmigration and imperialism they would've been cool with huh?

1st off... i didn't live in the imperial times. I am discussing the here and now.

I'm quite sick of the standard argument that these plonkers use! "Immigrants never try and integrate in to mainstream British society and they're culturally segregationalist." When's the last time you tried to get to know a non-white, non-indeginous British resident? When's the last time you tried to make an effort to inform/educate them about your culture? A lot of immigrants who come here, don't have the time or the luxury to explore British social attitudes and/or cultural heritage. How about reaching out to them once in a while and making the process easier for them and yourself. The "you" I was referring to here wasn't you in particular Brian, it was people who think like you in general.

2nd point... the phrase i would use is "cultural genocide". How can you be expected to have national pride when your culture is supressed and your national flag is hidden? How can you be fully motivated to succeed, as a White British male when you see Asian/Black news readers, actors, presenters chosen purely to show "ethnic diversity"? Rather than on the grounds of talent. "Positive Discrimination"...

Dont get me wrong, i love being able to walk through my home town and be able to choose between an Italian, Chinese, Indian, Greek, French restaurants. I went to Nottingham's most successful 6th Form College, www.bilborough.ac.uk, and enjoyed working with people from across the world; sure beats the mining town scum im used too :P

[Drunken Monk]

1st off... i didn't live in the imperial times. I am discussing the here and now.

Well I suppose the fact that you're trying to make an argument based on your ignorance of colonial history isn't going to help your case much. Ever wonder why so many people are forced to leave their own homes and countries to find employment, education and opportunities in Britain? Go back 120-150 years and witness "the jewel in the crown" - India. This is probably the prime example of economic exploitation seen by any country in the British Empire. A whole middle class was created with pro-British loyalties for purposes of revenue collection and taxation of the masses. Furthermore, witness the mass production/export policy - India's resources were milked to the bone and co-incidentally they happened to be luxuries that the British aristocracy wanted access to - gemstones, exotic spices, silk and the best fabrics the world has ever seen just to name a few. Take them from their colonies, in this case specifically India, produce them at exceedingly cheap prices in Britain (because by this time the industrial revolution was in full flow) and then sell them back to India at exorbitant prices as well as the British upper middle classes and aristocracy. As a result, our country become poorer and your's became more economically stable. Back in those times it was acceptable practice and so I have no complaints, but don't you dare bitch about the consequences. The reason it's taken us 60 years after independence to gain an economic stronghold in the world market is because we were still reeling from all the losses and the reason you have so many Indians in your country is because the British Raj systematically placed educated Indians and the upper class intelligentsia in their country to try and help come up with better ways to govern the imperial colonies. Also they placed educated Indians and intelligentsia in many African colonies to try and create a profficient middle class there as well because the native Africans were very resistant to cultural upheaval. Ofcourse one by one the African authoritarian regimes began displacing these Indians (one of the biggest cases was Uganda in the 1970s) and so the Indians had no place to go. Link it back to the original displacement from their home country by you government. So ofcourse Britain had to save face on the world stage and accept as many of these people as they could into their own society which is one of the reasons you had such a massive influx of Asians in the 1970s/80s.

So before you try and suggest that events that happened even as far back as 150 years ago are unconnected to what's happening today in Britain, learn to appreciate that everything in history is connected on one single thread and the present is a direct consequence of the past. Get your facts in order before you decide to argue something in "master debate" and don't just display blind prejudices.


2nd point... the phrase i would use is "cultural genocide". How can you be expected to have national pride when your culture is supressed and your national flag is hidden? How can you be fully motivated to succeed, as a White British male when you see Asian/Black news readers, actors, presenters chosen purely to show "ethnic diversity"? Rather than on the grounds of talent. "Positive Discrimination"...


"Cultural Genocide"? Nice try, good jargon, but again I'm going to rip into you for this one. As far as I'm concerned, cultural diversity is something to be celebrated, not condemned. If I were ethnically British (your definition being an white male...I suppose there are no British women then? But that's another topic altogether..) I'd be proud of the fact that my country is home to more cultural diversity than any other place on the planet. That's right mate, I would. I'd also be proud that in my country people from seperate backgrounds, societies and values manage to somehow get along without ripping each others' heads off. If I were British I'd be happy to see the one black/asian news reader we have on BBC out of the hundreds of white news readers. If I were British, I'd be happy to know that in this country the government legislation tries to make standards of living as fair as possible for all types of peoples without taking any discriminatory steps to prevent integration. But hold on, you're saying your government doesn't do that right? You're saying white people are actually at a disadvantage when looking for employment and/or opportunities because ethnic minorities have taken everything over because they're being discriminated against, right? Oh I see..

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/DiscriminationAtWork/DG_10026667

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2006/nov/09/workandcareers.homeaffairs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1517672.stm

Have anything more to say now Brian? As far as I'm concerned all this bitching and whining about not being able to display the St George's Cross off the roof of your car, or out your front window, and claiming that celebrating St Patrick's day or Id instead of St George's day is an "outrage" only represents cultural insecurity to me and a tremendous lack of national consciousness. Rantings from a section of society that finds it hard to accept that maybe, just MAYBE their lack of finding a job or bettering themselves in some way could boil down to something that lacks in them personally and not because "these chicken breathed niggers" or these "curry munching pakis" are stealing it away.

[Sir Brian]

spiel to long to quote it all.

So the British People, i.e those born in Britain; of Black White Asian desent should accept the suppresion of our culture?
I think what you forget, in your true wisdom, greater mind and interlectual prowess.... is that it isnt just YOUR "white British males" that celebrate traditional/true British values.

>>> Did "winterval" in Birmingham just abuse the white British males...? no.

"Birmingham: Multi-racial community

Church leaders have clashed with a council over its decision to call Christmas festivities Winterval." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/210672.stm

>>> Is it just white British males that want to support their football team in the World Cup...? no.

"A fire service has banned crews from flying England flags during the World Cup because it is afraid they could offend other nationalities." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/5121592.stm

i doubt your superior mind would know, but Hampshire isn't close to bordering the Welsh or Scottish borders.

>>> Due to "human rights" etc... our government has to go to court in order to protect the rights of our children to learn properly. Even though this ladies religion does't require her to act in such a manner... "There is no religious obligation whatsoever for Muslim women to cover themselves up in front of primary school children - Shahid Malik, Labour MP for Dewsbury" - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6046992.stm

Our own government having to fight tooth and nail to protect this country from this diatribe.

>>> Frizington, Bradford. A ward in Bradfor that is 76% Muslim, which is 4% away from being Officially classsed as a ghetto. Which also happens to be where the Bradfor City F.C stadium is, and thus the local proffessional football club, the epitome of Englishness, suffers greatly. Both in terms of dwindling crowd numbers and lack of really localised support.

>>>White Britons will be a minority in a dozen towns within 30 years

Record levels of immigration combined with higher birth rates among newcomers will tip the balance between whites and non-whites and create a string of "superdiverse" cities where no single group will form a majority.

The watershed is expected to be reached first in Leicester, where whites will form less than 50 per cent of the population by 2020, followed by Birmingham in 2024, and by Slough and Luton soon afterwards.

London's population will still be 61 per cent white by 2026, although eight of the city's 33 boroughs will be 'plural', with no one group forming a majority, according to the study from the University of Sheffield.



If ya want a further arguement then feel free. But quite honestly to try and see this from another perspective when you have only been visting this country over the past 2 years is ridiculous. By the sounds of it you may not value British culture, tradion or values, and if so its seems you are studying in the wrong country. :bye:

[Drunken Monk]

Oi don't you dare put words in my mouth and say crap like I don't respect British values or culture. As far as I'm concerned your examples of Britain falling into the hands of ethnic minorities and British White males becoming an endangered race is totally baseless. You have done your level best to dig up obscure examples and tried to highlight them as mainstream Britain. You have further not made any attempt to counter-argue any of my points and so me saying anything further is redundant. Address my points first, come up with a sound rebuttle and then state it instead of trying to con your way past this debate. If you can't do that then this topic to me is closed and I have made my point without any hinderance and that satisfies my intellect.

As far as your hypothesis on London is concerned, I live in the city, so you don't need to tell me of it's racial makeup. Your methodology that by 2026, there will be only 61% of white Britishers left in the city is deductive and follows the same flaws as the "1000 Swan Theory". Since you will obviously take that out of context too and say that I don't respect British peoples' love for swans, I'll go through the trouble of explaining it here.

1000 Swan Theory is a criticism of deductive methodology. If you see 1000 white swans (I hope you're giggling to yourself) go by one after the other in a pond and say that "all swans are white" it is an incorrect assumption. The proper thing to say is that "all swans are white, except the 1001st swan. So basically what I'm suggesting is that because a situation exists currently is no indication of how it will be in the future. Official statistics are inaccurate, invalid and incur the ice berg effect, AT BEST. But to make a wild stab in the dark about London's ethnic minority population increasing to that level by 2026, is a gross assumption and shouldn't even be counted in this debate. Anyway, I await your recognition of my points made earlier, or like I said, I'm afraid this discussion cannot progress.

PS Please take the bold bit of the text seriously in the future.


:YMCA: --> Perfect social unity :hehe:

[Tony The Tiger]

Britain? Where is that? LOL, the BNP needs some work with upper-management, but I wouldn't know much living in the U.S.

[Drunken Monk]

Britain? Where is that? LOL, the BNP needs some work with upper-management, but I wouldn't know much living in the U.S.


Random but....no sorry nothing to say except random...and if you're in the US this issue wouldn't directly concern you anyway so even more random. :bleh:

[Sir Brian]

I think what you'll find is that i quoted/presented items from the mainstream media (BBC/ITV, broadsheets and tabloids alike).However the fact Frizington in Bradford comes from own A - Level studies.

[wats_up]

Someone needs combine the best from the right wing. Such as the national pride, national purity, England for the English, with the best bits from left. Like anti-capitalist and the sort.

[Sir Brian]

Someone needs combine the best from the right wing. Such as the national pride, national purity, England for the English, with the best bits from left. Like anti-capitalist and the sort.

its called Labour.... :mad:

[steff]

Someone needs combine the best from the right wing. Such as the national pride, national purity, England for the English, with the best bits from left. Like anti-capitalist and the sort.

Your best is an opinion. I wouldn't support anti-capitalism.

[Mikey:)]

The BNP got a lot of support recently as a lot of Labour voters voted BNP to send a message to the government. They are also gaining support as they are the only party that seem upfront about immigration but I don't think they'll ever get into government. Personally I think we need more hot Polish chicks.

[Drunken Monk]

The BNP got a lot of support recently as a lot of Labour voters voted BNP to send a message to the government. They are also gaining support as they are the only party that seem upfront about immigration but I don't think they'll ever get into government. Personally I think we need more hot Polish chicks.


:clap:

[Sir Brian]

The lengths "people" will go to, to discourage democracy...

I live in this village, in which a far-right political party has been voted in, and these muppets see fit to come from across our county to promote smear campaigns against The British National Party. Quite frankly people who go to such lengths, in a such an immature manner are probably the same tossers whom spelt the end to fox hunting, it is these idiots that sooo strongly believe in freedom, but only if it concours to their beliefs. Fucking morons, to put it politely. Try doing something positive with your political beliefs, yeah? no, we're incapable.

BNP threaten anti-fascist leafletters in Brinsley

Dave Matthews | 17.12.2007 21:12 | Anti-racism | Nottinghamshire
The split in the BNP should not fool anyone that either side, Graham or Griffin will change their methods of political work; violence, threats and suppression of democratic expression is central to both as we found out in Brinsley on the 16th Dec.

On Sunday a number of anti-fascist leafletters from Nottinghamshire Stop the BNP chose to let the people of Notts villages know what is going on in the BNP. One group of 6 people decided to leaflet Brinsley.
After an hour of leafletting, a fast travelling BMW pulled up alongside this group of leafletters. In an agitated state one of the car occupants jumped out and ran after one and then another of the leafletters shouting 'you have 10 mins to get out of Brinsley'. Initially the leafletters were bemused by this. Was there going to be nuclear strike on Brinsley?
The fat little driver of the car made a little clearer that they were not concerned about our safety but were in fact making a threat that in 10 mins they would get a heavy squad down to deal with us.
By that time of this incident the leafletters had pretty much finished so they decided to go back to their vehicles. (Because of the atmosphere of intimidation created by the BNP in Brinsley, we generally provide outside people to leaflet.)
The BMW had driven away presumably to try and co-ordinate an attack. Another vehicle had it appears been following the leafletters as well. When they got back to their car they found that a way out of the cul-de-sac had been blocked by this other vehicle driven by a woman, allegedly broken down. After the leafletters remonstrated the woman was pressurised to move her 'broken down' vehicle.
By this time our agitated BNP (real BNP?) thug was back. It was 5 minutes now we apparently had.
Whether anyone would have turned up, it would have been interesting to see. Whether the BNP (real BNP?) would have provoked a punch up on the doorstep of their ever so respectable councillor Sadie Graham, that also would have been interesting to know. Although we decided not to wait to find out on this occasion.
But some things are clear.
1) These 2 petty thugs were probably attached to the BNP opposition around Sadie Graham. The BNP are hardly likely to defend Graham's patch. Despite being asked the thugs didn't want to reveal the side they were on in the internal BNP dispute.
2) The fact that this method of trying to silence any opposition is as much a part of the BNP opposition as it is the BNP.
3) The division in the BNP which is providing such wonderful insights about how the BNP works and the politics and characters of their leaders gives us powerful political ammunition that worries the BNP and Graham's opposition.

I feel another leafletting session coming on.


and then there's more....

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2008/01/389833.html

:mad:

[Asshole]

A few things would swing my vote

Tighter immigration laws and securing of the "borders"

Any illegal imigrant caught should be sent home on the next flight, no court case etc, stick em on and send em home

Any immigrant (legal or otherwise) convicted of commiting a crime here within there first 2years for minor, 5 years for moderate or 10 years for a serious crime, should be sent home straight away.

Immigrants should attend state funded english lessons to help them integrate into society, and if it truley is thier wish to come here to better their lives, speaking the lingo will only be a huge help.

The NHS should not cater for free to people whom themselves or thier families have not contributed NI for at least 2 years, with the exception of children upto 18.

Free prescriptions + university for the welsh, english and northern irish, whats good for scotland should be good for us all..

Lowering the tax on petrol, seeing as 80% of all tax sales go to the government they can cut it down surely...

[steff]

We get it free? I have to pay all my loans and tuition fees back! :O

Any immigrant who commits a semi-serious to serious crime should serve his jail term then get deported regardless of whether they have been here 1 year or 50 years.

[Sir Brian]

Any immigrant who commits a semi-serious to serious crime should serve his jail term then get deported regardless of whether they have been here 1 year or 50 years.

fantastic plan, lets pay for these dirty immigrants to live for free in our jails. ingenius...

you may not pay taxes, but i doubt most people would agree to their taxes providing a home for foreign criminals.

[steff]

Yes and the families of the murdered (assuming a serious crime) would be happy at them just being sent back to their own country.

[Sir Brian]

Yes and the families of the murdered (assuming a serious crime) would be happy at them just being sent back to their own country.

yes

[steff]

Anwar Jaseef rapes and then murders your mum. Instead of jailing him, they just deport him. How do you feel?

[Calienta]

My brother had an idea yesterday that I rather liked ... Somehow, the immigrant's home country has to pay for their jail time in my country.

That, however, would be next to impossible to get out of the home country so it's a moot point.

[Sir Brian]

Anwar Jaseef rapes and then murders your mum. Instead of jailing him, they just deport him. How do you feel?

what a daft question.

[steff]

No, it's a completely legit one. It's you that posts daft replies in SD. You said fmailies would prefer deportation over jail, so I gave you a situation to see if you'd prefer deportation or jail then deportation.

[Sir Brian]

No, it's a completely legit one. It's you that posts daft replies in SD. You said fmailies would prefer deportation over jail, so I gave you a situation to see if you'd prefer deportation or jail then deportation.

what have families got to do with anything?
an albanian immigrant comes over to this country, commits a menial offense is jailed for 2 years. he lives off the state inside for 2 years and comes out with qualifications... paid for by my taxes not yours. when you get a job, your head might pop out of your arse and you'll begin to realise how much money is taken of you in this country, in order to pay for ludicrus situations such as that!

[steff]

Do they teach people in Nottingham how to read? I take it that's where the 1% come from since only 99% of UK adults are literate. Everytime I post something you post a message partially related to what I said.

[Sir Brian]

Everytime I post something you post a message partially related to what I said.

lmao.
and theres a problem with this in your world?

[steff]

Yeah, the problem is I don't know how to reply since you don't answer me the first time around.

[Sir Brian]

Yeah, the problem is I don't know how to reply since you don't answer me the first time around.

i should be a politician :hehe:

[Grendel]

Your racist mates in the BNP would probably allow you to stand for them.

[steff]

They aren't racist Grendel. They are just misunderstood. Like Hitler.

[Sir Brian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsA_Xko4tqM&feature=related

Try and argue with her reasoning...

[steff]

I wouldn't call the racist supporters a minority like she does. She actually seems smart and does give valid arguements. Shame about 90% of the supporters. :P

[Sir Brian]

I wouldn't call the racist supporters a minority like she does. She actually seems smart and does give valid arguements. Shame about 90% of the supporters. :P

I'd say that every person on this planet has racist prejudices. if the BNP's leaders keep the racist element inactive, then i do not see the problem. from what iv seen the BNP are furthering themselves from the NF with each election campaign! (Y)

[steff]

There is different levels of racism.

[VikesWookie]

Can someone help me with this question?... Why is racial purity looked upon in such bad terms?

[Sir Brian]

Can someone help me with this question?... Why is racial purity looked upon in such bad terms?

because the majority of people believe what the media want them to believe.
when people stop hanging on to CNN/BBC's every word, they will start forming their own opinions.

[VikesWookie]

It appears to me that this "purity" is practiced by all sides of the fence, races, religions, etc... It's just when someone states that they're for white pride they get brandished a racist. Aren't Jews anti-gentile as supported by doctrine? Isn't it frowned upon in the Sicilian culture to marry outside of Italians? How about Croatia and Serbia?
It seems to me that it's whose ox is being gored and who is in control of that little mind-killer called TV...