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[Sir Brian]

Gully Knuckles
what are you stupid????? F.D.R's public projects brought us out the depression before we went to war and we didn't have to save your asses we could have just focused on fighting japan fuckin gangsta we are we fought on 2 fronts ya bitch thats how asses didnt help us fight japan
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Gully Knuckles
Like I said Japan attacked us we could have just focused on fighting them the truth is we helped you win in ww2 you didnt help us... england didnt fight in the pacific
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choked on my earl grey when that muppet posted these gems. :mad:

[Gully Knuckles]

Gully Knuckles
what are you stupid????? F.D.R's public projects brought us out the depression before we went to war and we didn't have to save your asses we could have just focused on fighting japan fuckin gangsta we are we fought on 2 fronts ya bitch thats how asses didnt help us fight japan
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Gully Knuckles
Like I said Japan attacked us we could have just focused on fighting them the truth is we helped you win in ww2 you didnt help us... england didnt fight in the pacific
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choked on my earl grey when that muppet posted these gems. :mad:


ya damn sure didnt help us

[Sir Brian]

ya damn sure didnt help us

no??:wtf:

forgot you knew everything.

[Gully Knuckles]

no??:wtf:

forgot you knew everything.

How many British troops fought against japan in the pacific???
There might have been a few thousand but in a war where millions fought and millions died a few thousand is the same as zero

[Mitch]

Another stupid American child..

[Calienta]

The war was going on long before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, I hope you realise that. The US had been AWOL up until then ...

[Duffman]

i wud lke to share you with one of my favourite qoutes...cant remember wher i heard it but its quite a famous one..."you americans are always late, you were 3 years late for ww2" lol that somes it up, america always bragghing that they saved our asses in ww2 is bullshit, they shud of been there 3 years earlier and ther wudnt be a problem, england at the time a lil country of only 40million people holding off the whole of europe and u guys pussy out for 3 years u call urselves allies, weve alway had ur bk lol im sorry but i think we get bragging rights on that one haha

[Mikey:)]

I never see the war vets having this argument, just todays generation arguing about who won because they can't get their heads around the meaning of an allied effort.

One of your fellow americans says it best...

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[Duffman]

lmfao that was funny shit haha

[Gully Knuckles]

The war was going on long before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, I hope you realise that. The US had been AWOL up until then ...

Thats cause we where not at war until pearl harbor with anyone wr was declared after pearl harbor

[Gully Knuckles]

i wud lke to share you with one of my favourite qoutes...cant remember wher i heard it but its quite a famous one..."you americans are always late, you were 3 years late for ww2" lol that somes it up, america always bragghing that they saved our asses in ww2 is bullshit, they shud of been there 3 years earlier and ther wudnt be a problem, england at the time a lil country of only 40million people holding off the whole of europe and u guys pussy out for 3 years u call urselves allies, weve alway had ur bk lol im sorry but i think we get bragging rights on that one haha

why the fuck would we be there 3 years earlier why would we send our soilders to fight someone elses battle and die if we were not involved

[Mitch]

Out of curiosity Gully Knuckles, what moment of the war do you think was the most important?

[Mikey:)]

I don't know where this "We jumped in and saved your asses" attitude comes from? Nazi Germany and Facist Italy declared war on America after Japan attacked. It wasn't a case of "Lets go save the day", but more a case of "Shit we better get our asses over to Europe and help out before this snowball rolls over us on our own soil".

[JaiJai]

I don't know where this "We jumped in and saved your asses" attitude comes from? Nazi Germany and Facist Italy declared war on America after Japan attacked. It wasn't a case of "Lets go save the day", but more a case of "Shit we better get our asses over to Europe and help out before this snowball rolls over us on our own soil".

:clap:

[Spork!!!]

On a side not, most of Australias' fighting age men enlisted to fight in Europe (we were and still are part of the Commonwealth, thats another story...) While they were helping England in Europe and Africa the Yanks (sorry, Americans) were the ones who came to New Guinea to help a (very) few diggers halt the Japanese push there. Funnily enough, the Aussie civillians and soldiers alike seemed to prefer their Brit. counterparts to the Americans. Possibly envy? Familiarity breeds contempt? The Americans got to take R&R here, and a catchphrase at the time was "Overpaid, over sexed, and over here."
Personally, I like the English language* and the Australian way of life, can't speak a word of Japanese, much prefer beer to saki and steak over stir-fry, so hooray for the Allies.

[Furyous]

One thing I can assure you of is that American soldiers have NEVER been overpaid. I had the honor of working with American soldiers in Afghanistan and have nothing but respect for them. I also had the honor of working with veterans, my grandfather and a colleague of his in Afghanistan. They both were enlisted for WW2. Neither of them ended up going over, a stroke of fate, but both lost around 75% of the men in their platoons. The majority were lost on D Day and in the few weeks after that. Either way, to take digs on soldiers is a pretty lame thing to do. My dad was in med school during Vietnam, so he didn't get called. He sees soldiers for free. He feels it's our duty as citizens to pay back the men and women who defend our country. I can't agree with him more.

I still think that the world hasn't fully grasped the enormity of the enemy we are up against at this point. Radical Islam is not something of the past... I truly believe we are still in the very beginning stages of the next world war. Rogue nations will stand behind the movement just to oppose those in the world they do not side with and of course to make money on weapon sales etc... and obviously to try to destabilize and take advantage of the super powers in a weakened state. That's my own conspiracy theory, and I guess only time will tell if I am paranoid or if my arguments hold water. I hope all of this hatred of the US will some day fade away. I don't feel as if the majority of the blanket statements I see thrown our way are accurate. Afghanistan wouldn't be half the problem it is today had Churchill not decided to make it one big country instead of splitting it up and forming several small countries ruled by their own tribes... There's plenty of blame to throw around in this world... Israel being formed in the heart of the middle east...

Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel ...

The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism for over three thousand years. After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people."[7] In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of the Mandate of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.[8] The Arab League rejected the plan, but on May 14, 1948, the Jewish provisional government declared Israel's independence. The new country's victory in the subsequent Arab-Israeli War expanded the borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan. Since then, Israel has been in conflict with many of the neighboring Arab countries, resulting in several major wars and decades of violence that continue to this day.[9] Since its foundation, Israel's boundaries and even the State's very right to exist have been subject to dispute, especially among its Arab neighbors. However, Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, and efforts are being made to reach a permanent accord with the Palestinians.

Soooo.... Needless to say, the Brits have their own history to be held accountable for. Anyway, I'm an American. I'm damn proud of my country, our soldiers, don't particularly like any of our politicians, and enjoy the company of my friends from around the world. My two best friends here in Chile are and Italian and a Lebanese. I'm tired of taking all the blame for the worlds problems. How about you British lot try to explain to me your superior logic behind Israel??? Or better yet, let's drop it all and stop spitting flames at each other. None of us come from a country with flawless politicians or citizens with higher IQ's than another. Get over your generalizations and your finger pointing and try to be friendly toward others. You might find that most American's aren't such bad people after all. Maybe... Just maybe....

[HellRaiser]

england at the time a lil country of only 40million people holding off the whole of europe

I think you left out a real huge part of that hold off being Canadian troops.

I could sit here for a long time posting the efforts, but easier to just post a small one page link.

http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/canada.html

[Ero-Sennin]

I think you left out a real huge part of that hold off being Canadian troops.

I could sit here for a long time posting the efforts, but easier to just post a small one page link.

http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/canada.html

QUOTED FOR EMPHASIS!

Canadian troops were MURDERED on the beach so that Other army like Brit and US could get their foot on the soil. When I say Murdered, I mean it. They were sent to the beach and that it.. TRY TO MAKE IT TO THE BEACH BITCHES!


But the biggest moment of the war was when the Russian joined the war.

I'D say.

TORA TORA TORA was a good movie on the pearl harbor stuff.

[Condom]

I'm convinced Canada is planning an invasion of the U.S. with 85% of their population living on the border.... Americans will never see it coming.

[Drunken Monk]

why the fuck would we be there 3 years earlier why would we send our soilders to fight someone elses battle and die if we were not involved



Wow slaughter fest of history with from that Knuckles n00b.

Listen Europe was America's biggest market in the 1920s, 30s and 40s. Without American exports to the continent, it would never be in an economically strong position. So all this bullshit of "Americans saved your asses (it spelt "arses" genius!)" is a bunch of self important crap. You NEEDED Britain, France and the other European countries involved to be in a good shape after the war because you NEEDED them to fuel your economy. Your government knew damn well that with Bolshevik Russia in the East and Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany in the centre, if you didn't preserve British ad French interests then you might as well have been tightening the noose around your own neck.


Are you forgetting the Marshall Aid program in the mid 1940s after the war where America literally spent billions and billions of dollars in industrial aid in order to rebuild the devastated European economy by re-establishing industry, agriculture as well as revenue generation. What you think that was America spreading good will? Pull your head out of your arse!


Either you're a 13 year old kid who's just opened a history text book for school, or you're a highly delusional adult! Read some A.J.P Taylor, read some Eric Hobsbawn, read some Alan Farmer and then expose your gob and let the shite pour out! There are more educated people than you here.

[TJ60]

Wow slaughter fest of history with from that Knuckles n00b.

Listen Europe was America's biggest market in the 1920s, 30s and 40s. Without American exports to the continent, it would never be in an economically strong position. So all this bullshit of "Americans saved your asses (it spelt "arses" genius!)" is a bunch of self important crap. You NEEDED Britain, France and the other European countries involved to be in a good shape after the war because you NEEDED them to fuel your economy. Your government knew damn well that with Bolshevik Russia in the East and Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany in the centre, if you didn't preserve British ad French interests then you might as well have been tightening the noose around your own neck.


Are you forgetting the Marshall Aid program in the mid 1940s after the war where America literally spent billions and billions of dollars in industrial aid in order to rebuild the devastated European economy by re-establishing industry, agriculture as well as revenue generation. What you think that was America spreading good will? Pull your head out of your arse!


Either you're a 13 year old kid who's just opened a history text book for school, or you're a highly delusional adult! Read some A.J.P Taylor, read some Eric Hobsbawn, read some Alan Farmer and then expose your gob and let the shite pour out! There are more educated people than you here.


So you admit it, we saved you for our benefit :whistle:

[Drunken Monk]

Haha no, my point was, you HAD to interveine or else you would've suffered as much as the allies economically and hence socio-politically as well i.e. more than "saving" the Allies, you "saved" yourself. :)

[TJ60]

Haha no, my point was, you HAD to interveine or else you would've suffered as much as the allies economically and hence socio-politically as well i.e. more than "saving" the Allies, you "saved" yourself. :)

But you admit in your statement that we did save you, just that we were looking out for ourselves more.;) The truth in the matter is Hitler screwed himself with Operation Barbarossa. Which forced Stalin to call for a scorched earth policy. Had Hitler not done this, the axis might have won the war.

[Calienta]

I think you left out a real huge part of that hold off being Canadian troops.

I could sit here for a long time posting the efforts, but easier to just post a small one page link.

http://www.secondworldwar.co.uk/canada.html

I'm used to being overlooked. Nobody knows what Canada does. I've spoken with a fair few people who don't even know our boys are over in Afghanistan getting killed right now.

[Sir Brian]

OI GIMPS!!

My point was that th British most definitely did fight in the far east.

And id thank the Polish pilots above the american GIs. If we had become overrun and anihilated (probably spelt wrong, fuck off correcting me) in The Battle of Britain, then there may well of been no Britain for you lot to "save".

Wow slaughter fest of history with from that Knuckles n00b.

Listen Europe was America's biggest market in the 1920s, 30s and 40s. Without American exports to the continent, it would never be in an economically strong position. So all this bullshit of "Americans saved your asses (it spelt "arses" genius!)" is a bunch of self important crap. You NEEDED Britain, France and the other European countries involved to be in a good shape after the war because you NEEDED them to fuel your economy. Your government knew damn well that with Bolshevik Russia in the East and Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany in the centre, if you didn't preserve British ad French interests then you might as well have been tightening the noose around your own neck.


Are you forgetting the Marshall Aid program in the mid 1940s after the war where America literally spent billions and billions of dollars in industrial aid in order to rebuild the devastated European economy by re-establishing industry, agriculture as well as revenue generation. What you think that was America spreading good will? Pull your head out of your arse!


Either you're a 13 year old kid who's just opened a history text book for school, or you're a highly delusional adult! Read some A.J.P Taylor, read some Eric Hobsbawn, read some Alan Farmer and then expose your gob and let the shite pour out! There are more educated people than you here.

:duffman:

[TJ60]

I'm used to being overlooked. Nobody knows what Canada does. I've spoken with a fair few people who don't even know our boys are over in Afghanistan getting killed right now.


Yes your troops were in ww2 long before the us troops were. Canada also gave $255 mil to Afghanistan. Canada had 600 troops to start out, in 2004 they doubled it to 1200, in 2006 they went up to 2,000. There is 83 reported fatalities.

[Calienta]

Yes your troops were in ww2 long before the us troops were. Canada also gave $255 mil to Afghanistan. Canada had 600 troops to start out, in 2004 they doubled it to 1200, in 2006 they went up to 2,000. There is 83 reported fatalities.

And when you consider we're not even fighting the war, but are peace keeping, AND the fact that as a country we only have 33 million people ... Those statistics don't seem so small and insignificant.

[TJ60]

And when you consider we're not even fighting the war, but are peace keeping, AND the fact that as a country we only have 33 million people ... Those statistics don't seem so small and insignificant.


You also have to remember it isn't just a US backed war like Iraq, this is a NATO backed war. Thus the reason Canada is doing security there.

[Calienta]

I know :) All I had said before was that some people, when I mention that my best friend will be in Afghanistan soon, are like, "Oh, Canada's there?" Which is discouraging.

[Drunken Monk]

But you admit in your statement that we did save you, just that we were looking out for ourselves more.;) The truth in the matter is Hitler screwed himself with Operation Barbarossa. Which forced Stalin to call for a scorched earth policy. Had Hitler not done this, the axis might have won the war.


Hitler screwed himself in my view by not waiting till 1942/43 to declare war. His declaration was premature because his military prowess was no where near full potential when he started. Sort of a doomed from the start situation..and as far as saving "us" is concerned, you forget I'm Indian lol. The Nazis had a regiment in the Waffen SS consisting of 1300 Indian troops and Hitler himself provided 3000 SS fighters to the Indian cause against Britain, so I wouldn't say anything about who saved who :hehe: I will point out though that Britains forces consisted larglely of troops from its colonial Empires. There were 1.5 million Indian troops who fought in World War 1 and I don't have the official number for World War 2 but i know it was a significant chunk as well.


Well as far as America "saving" Britain is concerned, I'll agree to the fact that without American troops, supplies and re-inforcement, Britain would have most certainly lost both wars. But i do disagree that America "saved" Britain because that would imply benevolent altruism when infact America were definitely looking out for their own interests as well. So I guess "America assisted Britain" would be the best way to describe it.

EDIT : Hey, hey Brian! Brian! :fu2:

[HellRaiser]

Hitler only fault was his strategy of multiple attacks instead of taking one stage
at a time and effectively defending it then shortly rebuilding for the next pahse.
He just went from location to location spreading out troops and military equipment.

I'm convinced Canada is planning an invasion of the U.S. with 85% of their population living on the border.... Americans will never see it coming.

There goes that secret lol. :whistle:

[Drunken Monk]

Hitler only fault was his strategy of multiple attacks instead of taking one stage
at a time and effectively defending it then shortly rebuilding for the next pahse.
He just went from location to location spreading out troops and military equipment.



War on two fronts. Anglo-Polish guarantees, Franco-Soviet guarantees, Anglo-French guarantees. Hitler surrounded, no option. Italy shit. Japan shit. Oh well. (Short posts continue)

[HellRaiser]

Hehehehe Monk...
They got you short cutting posts, now do what I do and ignore them and go back to monk intel lol.

[Drunken Monk]

Can't. Too scared. Might get jumped. No weapons. Shit. :mad: