If Your Lawyer Wants You Executed...

[JaiJai]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1811174,00.html?cnn=yes



So...
Just because his lawyer made a remark about his client like that... does that still invalidate the fact the guy shot and murdered two innocent people?

hmm.. I think ethically.. the guy should have gotten a new trial back then when it occured, and given a new attorney... so he would have fair due process... however I highly doubt the outcome would have been any different.

So should he be spared execution? I say No... not on those grounds. I mean, it wasn't right for his attorney to say that...... but why waste more taxpayer dollars paying for another lengthy appeals process for a man who already confessed to the murders? It would just be a different means to the same end in my opinion.

Discuss

[HellRaiser]

Nothing to dicuss really, they guy regardless of color or ethnic culture, deserves the chair for his gross actions of taking lives.

[Quaker]

Nothing to dicuss really, they guy regardless of color or ethnic culture, deserves the chair for his gross actions of taking lives.

And what is the states "punishment" for taking a life?

[JaiJai]

Well some might say he should be aquitted for this reason, or that he shouldn't get the death penalty etc.. I was curious as to what ppl think about it.


*Quaker.. you're still using that sig (Y) :hehe:
I've still got the whole folder of those I made for each person here.. I should repost em.

[HellRaiser]

And what is the states "punishment" for taking a life?

Eye for an eye mentality, you take other lives, we take yours, problem solved, NO REPEAT. Thank you! :P
Unlike your bleeding heart position of rehabilitation for EVERY Human chosen neglient actions. ;)

[spankme]

simple

fry him
with the lawyer strapped on his lap

[cunexttuesday]

http://www.ajc.com/traffic/content/metro/stories/2008/06/04/execution_0605_web.html


The sole purpose of a criminal lawyer is to ensure the client has a fair trial. Even if you confessed to killing two people in cold blood your constitutional right is to have a fair trial. This is what the Western World's law system is based on.


Did Curtis Osborne have a fair trial? I don't know for sure.
Probably, which is why his final appeal was declined.

In my personal opinion, the death penalty is barbaric. But I don't make the laws.

[HellRaiser]

The sole purpose of a criminal lawyer is to ensure the client has a fair trial. Even if you confessed to killing two people in cold blood your constitutional right is to have a fair trial. This is what the Western World's law system is based on.

I agree everyone should have a fair trial, but in certain circumstances when evidence is overwhelming
especially if the individual confesses to it without any entrapment or enforcement
I would tend to think we are way beyond the concept of trial here, cut and dry.
Granted, I can understand the appeal to have a new trial with a different lawyer.
In the end I don't see how it makes any difference, still same result from confession.
As for the Western world of legal or law well it is so corrupt by any measure it has no place to base a positive from.

In my personal opinion, the death penalty is barbaric. But I don't make the laws.

Barbaric would be a majority of serious innocent murders and multiple applications of acts of them.
Removing vile human waste from the planet I find it hard to relate to barbaric.

On a side note and in general...

Somehow believes the majority of people who are against the death penalty hardly ever
witnessed or experienced loved ones murdered while the famous western world justice system
gapping millions of loop holes either allows those killers free back into society or
endures the smiling faces or cold dark eyes with no remorse often times like it would mater anyway
staring at you knowing full well, they either receive a mild slap on the wrist of
5-10 years MAYBE with OFTEN TIMES early parole, I would tend to believe would change a lot of peoples tunes.

Until then easy to be against with a clear conscious of right and wrong. ;)

[Dai]

If someone hurt my family I'd definitely want them dead.

The only concern I have is when things go wrong - don't know how often, but there was a sad case of a guy in the States, learning difficulties, confessed to a murder, fried for it. A few days later evidence emerged that put it beyond reasonable doubt saying he could not possibly have committed the murder.

People say these things are few and far between, and they probably are. But I heard a comedian suggest that if we have a vote for or against the death penalty in the UK those in favour of it could be put into a big register. Then on the rare occasions when an innocent is executed someone from the register would also be executed, randomly - but it would be "few and far between."

I PMSL about that - but the comedian seemed not to notice that if an individual votes for the death penalty they are also at risk of getting it themselves anyway (although he may be reflecting that those voting for the death penalty and those at highest risk of getting it may be from totally different socio-economic classes).