Logo Nazi Tim

[Forphucsake]

What happened? There are logos now that break rules and they're still there.

A3
B2

couldn't be bothered going through the rest. Seems you are slacking, or was it just a special occassion for PSD? :whistle:

[Zeus]

He sure does have a soft spot in his heart for us. Maybe some girl buttered him up and let them have the logo, I hear that works.

[tim|away]

What happened? There are logos now that break rules and they're still there.

A3
B2

couldn't be bothered going through the rest. Seems you are slacking, or was it just a special occassion for PSD? :whistle:

Well, how about you provide a full list of cartels that you'd like to report for breaking logo rules. Either John or I will take a look at it and evict the logos if necessary.

On a sidenote, I believe this thread is referring to the logo glitch a couple of round ago where I evicted every logo that was bigger than 150 pixels in height or whatever it was. Some 40 cartels were affected by that of which PSD was one.

[Flechette]

Well, how about you provide a full list of cartels that you'd like to report for breaking logo rules. Either John or I will take a look at it and evict the logos if necessary.

On a sidenote, I believe this thread is referring to the logo glitch a couple of round ago where I evicted every logo that was bigger than 150 pixels in height or whatever it was. Some 40 cartels were affected by that of which PSD was one.

oh shut up Raz :airkiss:

[tim|away]

Carry on, Beli. I have the feeling this thread will be rather entertaining.

[Duffman]

told ya they think its u didnt i tim rofl

[Flechette]

told ya they think its u didnt i tim rofl

Carry on, Beli. I have the feeling this thread will be rather entertaining.

you can both fuck off. not everyone is a Red or a Daqqer with super cartel bennies.
sorry Duff i got nothing new.

30 mins of work left so get to the entertaining part fast.

[KACK]

told ya they think its u didnt i tim rofl

i knew it.

[steff]

told ya they think its u didnt i tim rofl

It isn't a secret that quite a few people believe Tim to be Raz. But let's not beat a dead horse. Not much proof to prove it's him but at the same time there is enough proof to eliminate 90%+ of Dopewars.

[seasider]

we're the dopewars neo-cons, if we can't detect our enemy's weapons doesn't mean they don't exist its just that his technology is so advanced its undetectable

[Zeus]

told ya they think its u didnt i tim rofl


You invented the internets too I heard.

[Duffman]

pmsl zeus i love ur new sig mate lol u had to go and pick on me tho didnt u lol

[tim|away]

It isn't a secret that quite a few people believe Tim to be Raz. But let's not beat a dead horse. Not much proof to prove it's him but at the same time there is enough proof to eliminate 90%+ of Dopewars.

At first I thought this was a wind-up thread, but for some reason I get the feeling that some people take it more seriously than the best german comedian.

Let's hear the actual facts first and the full (!) story afterwards so everyone - myself included - gets a picture. Provide as much detail as possible as to why 90% can be eliminated and any other pieces of evidence you'd like to discuss. It should only be in your interest to attempt to get this sorted once and for all, so shed some light on this very interesting subject. I'm certain that I'm not the only one who's looking forward to it. :)

[seasider]

no you're not raz tim nor are you in any way assisting or even communicating with him/her




of course not

[6m$SexGod]

no you're not raz tim nor are you in any way assisting or even communicating with him/her




of course not

Talking to himself...............Is he going mad then? :P

[Zeus]

pmsl zeus i love ur new sig mate lol u had to go and pick on me tho didnt u lol


I didnt make them. Cushion made them for me, he must not like you very much.

[steff]

At first I thought this was a wind-up thread, but for some reason I get the feeling that some people take it more seriously than the best german comedian.

Let's hear the actual facts first and the full (!) story afterwards so everyone - myself included - gets a picture. Provide as much detail as possible as to why 90% can be eliminated and any other pieces of evidence you'd like to discuss. It should only be in your interest to attempt to get this sorted once and for all, so shed some light on this very interesting subject. I'm certain that I'm not the only one who's looking forward to it. :)

-Raz is smart with perfect English. I'd actually say that eliminates 90% of the forum actually (including me).
-He knows how to use a high anonymity proxy to hide his location (hardly rocket science but it still eliminates a few).
-He tends to "pick on" Daqqers when a few have been outspoken about you.
-He has to be someone that some of Daqqers trust with all the things he knows.
-He has to know how to code (narrows it down to 4 people? :P).
-He communicates through you frequently.


There's probably more but that's off the top of my head.

[tim|away]

-He has to be someone that some of Daqqers trust with all the things he knows.

such as?

[Alf uckem]

its soo clear its untrue
******************$*$&^*%&$*&(£*(*£PIMP******************$*$&^*%&$*&(£*(*£

[steff]

such as?

Sorry I can't find the thread on Daqqers forum to prove my point so you can remove that. You could use my last point though and see if Raz can help. ;) I did find another possible point which doesn't prove you're Raz but I feel it does prove you know more than you say you do. I PM'd you early Raz days asking if you were him (or knew who it was - I don't have the PM so not sure) and you gave a big speech about why you weren't him (regarding Mad Pubes/Vamp).

[Forphucsake]

Well, how about you provide a full list of cartels that you'd like to report for breaking logo rules. Either John or I will take a look at it and evict the logos if necessary.

I'm not admin, not my job to find all the rule breakers. I've informed that they are there.

Although, would you like me to search for all the multis too?

[Diogee]

I'm not admin, not my job to find all the rule breakers. I've informed that they are there.

Although, would you like me to search for all the multis too?


If you could do that I am sure it would save a lot of our wonderful admins time...

[Cushion]

I didnt make them. Cushion made them for me, he must not like you very much.

lol theres a diff i can make them easy userbars, you clearly cant lol

[Zeus]

lol theres a diff i can make them easy userbars, you clearly cant lol

Still typing out gibberish I see. Just tell Duff you dont like him, thats all you have to do.

[Cushion]

what software u use for ure userbars ? i mite download it :O oh wait no... i got MS paint lol

[Zeus]

I told you, "I DIDN'T MAKE THEM". How many times do I need to repeat myself?

[Cushion]

erm... try 1245 times :)

[Flechette]

-Raz is smart with perfect English. I'd actually say that eliminates 90% of the forum actually (including me).
-He knows how to use a high anonymity proxy to hide his location (hardly rocket science but it still eliminates a few).
-He tends to "pick on" Daqqers when a few have been outspoken about you.
-He has to be someone that some of Daqqers trust with all the things he knows.
-He has to know how to code (narrows it down to 4 people? :P).
-He communicates through you frequently.


There's probably more but that's off the top of my head.


and then the ip thing sealed it.

[Calienta]

The IP thing?

I have to say, if Tim is actually Raz then I'm pretty miffed ... I mean, I know Tim dislikes some people and the feeling is mutual so I could kind of understand the attacks towards UZ/PSD but with the attacks against Dharma last round, and me complaining to Tim about it and voicing my suspicions that it was Raz ...

All I have to say is Tim, I've always defended you against all the accusations of you being Raz but if you are ... I'm very disappointed.

[swiss miss]

The IP thing?

I have to say, if Tim is actually Raz then I'm pretty miffed ... I mean, I know Tim dislikes some people and the feeling is mutual so I could kind of understand the attacks towards UZ/PSD but with the attacks against Dharma last round, and me complaining to Tim about it and voicing my suspicions that it was Raz ...

All I have to say is Tim, I've always defended you against all the accusations of you being Raz but if you are ... I'm very disappointed.


i miss raz and his pictures and hope they make a return soon

p.s. remember its a game cali :snuggle:

[Calienta]

I know it's a game :) But some people you think are honest and aren't, it still hurts feelings :)

[swiss miss]

I know it's a game :) But some people you think are honest and aren't, it still hurts feelings :)

so has tim told you he is raz??

p.s. sorry for hijacking the thread :$

[Jacx]

seriously...what?

[seasider]

its like dominoes toppling

[steff]

The IP thing?

I have to say, if Tim is actually Raz then I'm pretty miffed ... I mean, I know Tim dislikes some people and the feeling is mutual so I could kind of understand the attacks towards UZ/PSD but with the attacks against Dharma last round, and me complaining to Tim about it and voicing my suspicions that it was Raz ...

All I have to say is Tim, I've always defended you against all the accusations of you being Raz but if you are ... I'm very disappointed.

Who says Raz does what he does because he doesn't like people?

[tARt]

came for the thread title
stayed for the userbar war :P

[Zeus]

came for the thread title
stayed for the userbar war :P

I want to kiss you right now :P

[Flechette]

I know it's a game :) But some people you think are honest and aren't, it still hurts feelings :)

and when you think of what Tim has access to..... i know for a fact that Raz=Tim. possibility that more than one person was aiding him.

[Psychostyle]

proof..proof...

[XXX]

:goodevil: Have you ever noticed how much Rit and Kack look the same.

:bike: Woop's cat's outa the bag now.

:group: Let the rumor machine's roll!!!

[swiss miss]

I want to kiss you right now :P

i can play too now
thanks rhu ;)

[Jacx]

and when you think of what Tim has access to..... i know for a fact that Raz=Tim. possibility that more than one person was aiding him.


Come on then prove it.....lets see this so called fact

[tARt]

i can play too now
thanks rhu ;)

just what gives you the impression I'd be interested in playing with you ?

[tim|away]

This thread is so fantastic that my head is about to explode. It's good to see that at least some people are taking this game very seriously - we all benefit from that. This place would be useless if no one attended the private think tanks to share their conclusions one day. It comes as no surprise that this place is called oddthought.

Right now, the big subject is the end round scores of the last A round. Did snooz run Team Az or did he not? Regardless of what the final verdict is, there will be a rather entertaining drama that we are looking forward to. On that note, Jacx you should either read your emails or get your arse on MSN. We should really finalise the scores.

As far as the Raz subject is concerned, I was hoping to get an idea how you arrived at the ridiculous assumption that I could be Raz. The last case admins were blamed to be involved turned out to be an unsafe cabinet password. Oh the joooooyyy.

@Beli
I have to agree with Jacx. I can't wait to see the proof on what you know for a fact.

@Rachel
You missed to explain why I'd rip Dharma into pieces when I'm fairly sure I encouraged you to not only start your own cartel, but also to take your team to a medal room.

@Steff
cheers, mate.


For now, I think we should let everyone puke all over the place and consider to clean the mess up afterwards. In the meantime, I'll talk to Jacx about the scores. How does that sound for starters?

[Zeus]

@Rachel
You missed to explain why I'd rip Dharma into pieces when I'm fairly sure I encouraged you to not only start your own cartel, but also to take your team to a medal room.


Stacked full of vets. You know, one of those cartels that you where pissed at Heavy Hitta for making UZ into.

[tim|away]

What other cartels am I "pissed" about and for what reason, Zeus?

On a sidenote, I was under the impression Rachel actually recruited mainly new players which doesn't seem to be the case according to you.

[Zeus]

What other cartels am I "pissed" about and for what reason, Zeus?


I dunno, I work closely with HH. I don't bother or care about other cartels I'm not involved with Tim.

edit: Yup, Rachels cartel is full of newbies :rolleyes:

[tim|away]

Well, would you be so kind as to share the list of cartels i'm supposedly "pissed" about that you are involved with? Also, let's hear why exactly that's the case.

[Kloaked Spirit]

How can Tim be Raz when I'm Raz? Not only do I fit every single one of the criteria that Steff's posted, but I have the added bonus of being indifferent to everyone here. I can cause chaos for any reason I see fit, and I don't have to worry about anyone's personal feelings.

[$treet pharmaci$t]

:popcorn::popcorn: I feel left out i dont have any user bars

[Calienta]

I recruited a lot of new players but many have left the game. Some are also in training in other rooms until their junkie games are strong enough, and some have been in A1 since we moved. I would say, however, that I only managed to find 5 or 6 new players who have stuck with it.

And Tim, I never said you WERE Raz. I was under the assumption (perhaps wrong) that Raz was behind the 'run or we'll tickle you' cartels in June round. They ripped Dharma limb from limb :P So if Raz is you, that hurts, dude! :P

And just to play devil's advocate, as for proof: how do you ever get proof against the administration if they're all behind it? ooooo conspiracy!

[the squid of despair]

How can Tim be Raz when I'm Raz? Not only do I fit every single one of the criteria that Steff's posted, but I have the added bonus of being indifferent to everyone here. I can cause chaos for any reason I see fit, and I don't have to worry about anyone's personal feelings.

As I've stated...

[Diogee]

How can Tim be Raz when I'm Raz? Not only do I fit every single one of the criteria that Steff's posted, but I have the added bonus of being indifferent to everyone here. I can cause chaos for any reason I see fit, and I don't have to worry about anyone's personal feelings.


OMG

IF Tim=Raz

and KS=Raz

than KS=Tim

[seasider]

proved to be a weak password tim?

more like you dictated that was the problem when you we confronted with raz's seemingly clairvoyant powers.

but cali has hit the nail on the head. how can we expect any resolution to this matter when we are asking you to investigate yourself then report back to us to tell us if you are guilty or not?

perhaps its all a big conspiracy by raz to make people think he is you tim. if thats the case i gotta take my hat off to that man/woman, he/she is doing a damn fine job.

then there is DC's sig by tim|away. its pure raz style, or was that a deliberate attempt to wind people up? a not very funny tim|away joke?

i never did get german humour

[Diogee]

I love crazy conspiracy theories

next you will all be saying that Rit is the mastermind Snooz, or that this site is actually owned by the government :glare:

[steff]

Who here fits the Raz profile better Diogee? So it's hardly on par with big conspiracy theories. Maybe it isn't Tim, but it isn't farfetched to think it's him.

[Diogee]

ok I think I should um ask... seen how everyone revers to the person as Raz... WHO IS RAZ????

[steff]

What?

[Diogee]

ok this so called Raz... what is his/hers forum handle??

[Spork!!!]

umm, read the last 5 pages...

[Diogee]

yeah in the last 5 pages besides from accusing Tim to be Raz, I dont see any forum handles being refered to as Raz.

so wtf am I blind?

[Spork!!!]

so I would suppose that nobody knows, but the gist of it from where I am is that KS says he is while several others are accusing tim.
Aren't "KS" and "tim" both "forum handles?"
Of course, "RAZ" is the obvious "forum handle" that RAZ uses/has used.

[Zeus]

KS cant be Raz because he has to ask people to make him signatures, Raz whips up snazzy pics in minutes. Or maybe he is Raz and Tim just whips up the snazzy pics for him, but then he might have a Raz-esque sig by Tim just like Deadcerts.

[Diogee]

ha if raz can make sigs than I am in the clear.

but you guys will never figure out any of my other multis!!

:run:

[Flechette]

raz has or had his own forum account. according to tim, admin has never been able to figure out who raz is. how convient. and that either makes admin extremely stupid or tim is a liar. so pick your poison there.

i think that admin should prove that tim is not raz. or that ks is not raz. if only for the integrity of the game. how are mere mortals supposed to compete when uber admin players are hiding behind multis?

[Calienta]

Yeah, let's go with the Napoleonic Code here.

[Jacx]

raz has or had his own forum account. according to tim, admin has never been able to figure out who raz is. how convient. and that either makes admin extremely stupid or tim is a liar. so pick your poison there.

i think that admin should prove that tim is not raz. or that ks is not raz. if only for the integrity of the game. how are mere mortals supposed to compete when uber admin players are hiding behind multis?

First...how the hell can we prove via a forum account...using a proxy for some of u is second nature and we cannot tell shit, so u wanna call me dumb, fine go ahead, but think before u open ur mouth!

Secondly prove raz is not tim....humm...how...someone tell me how, and don't say but you should know, there is plenty of tech geeks on here, let them provide the answers!

[Calienta]

Well are you able to tell via the game if the account is being played on a proxy server? I have no idea how these things work.

[Zeus]

Why not just ban proxies altogether, that will make everyone honest.

[Jacx]

Well are you able to tell via the game if the account is being played on a proxy server? I have no idea how these things work.

a few 100 players play via proxy server..yes, we can tell by getting the ip address tested..but thats about it.

Why not just ban proxies altogether, that will make everyone honest.

New ones open every day, its and you cannot just ban proxy servers..don't work that way, example, anyone here that plays via aol is in effect using a proxy server.

[Jacx]

See heres the clutch innnit...if tim was raz, I would have to have him removed from staff, so the issue is, is this accusation just a excuse to get a tim and get him sacked or was this not thought of when this little game started.

Or do some of you really really believe this, and if so why the hell has no one ever...EVER brought me any evidence?

Tim annoys some of you I know, some think him arrogent (I call it the german effect) but seriously, other than his ability to write statments/answers in a so called condecending way...how many times has he HELPED many of you?

[Calienta]

I love Tim and have enjoyed many conversations on msn with him and have even spoken on the phone with him. I find him smart, funny, and nice :)

However, I believe he is entirely capable of being Raz, if only to create a little drama in an otherwise recently uneventful game. I can see him doing it for that reason.

:snuggle: timofee

[Ridgeback]

when raz first appeared on the scene gunning daqs, the vast majority of daqs pointed the finger at tim - it was a quite a while ago, but i'm pretty sure the only ones that didn't were deadcert and myself. Then all the crap that you saw concerning the daq forum and raz came about and it was decided that it had to be someone with more than a passing knowledge of computers, so tim's name appeared again, along with anti duck and a couple of others.

i'm still none the wiser as to who raz is, but unless tim was being really rotten to the core and stringing us along, i can't see how he is raz because he used to help daqs with our reset spend ups and other stuff that very few people know about. Actually, i had quite a few rows on the daq forum standing up for timbo

[Flechette]

the program i have tells you the address of the ip down to within a few blocks. it bypasses all proxy s and maskers. it cannot be fooled. maybe i am wrong to assume that other people would use this tool?

i actually like tim. how can you fire someone who isn't really on staff?

[Ridgeback]

the program i have tells you the address of the ip down to within a few blocks. it bypasses all proxy s and maskers. it cannot be fooled. maybe i am wrong to assume that other people would use this tool?

i actually like tim. how can you fire someone who isn't really on staff?

the one i use is shit and puts me miles from where i live!

[Jacx]

the program i have tells you the address of the ip down to within a few blocks. it bypasses all proxy s and maskers. it cannot be fooled. maybe i am wrong to assume that other people would use this tool?

i actually like tim. how can you fire someone who isn't really on staff?

really, how does a unfoolable program get past the fact that some proxys don't send the information it would require???

Sorry but read up, some proxy servers will allow those programs to work because they want to be accepted for useful reasons and some are designed to block the info regardless, because of course some like chaos.

Its easy to tell which type is which is which with a few simple tests.

Transparent Proxy

Anonymous Proxy
Distorting Proxy
High Anonymity Proxy

First 2 the proxy programs can find the real ip address.

on the 3rd one, they can do it...but not all, u need a really good program to beat it.

forth one... :), unless ur NSA ur not gonna do that baby without some really expensive equipment.

[Kloaked Spirit]

Using the IP used for registering here and for making all of his posts here, Raz has to be an American. Tim is not American. I am American. I keep telling you guys that you all are fixated on the wrong person, but by being so upfront about it you just ignore me. The graphics explanation is simple; I have multiple friends who have careers in graphic art and illustration. Raz isn't known for being a frequent poster, so I don't have to use their help often. Also, as a forum administrator I feel that it would be good form to use the items that other forum members have created for me.

[steff]

the one i use is shit and puts me miles from where i live!

Yeah I apparently live in Leeds according to the one I use to check IP's lol.


Using the IP used for registering here and for making all of his posts here, Raz has to be an American. Tim is not American. I am American. I keep telling you guys that you all are fixated on the wrong person, but by being so upfront about it you just ignore me. The graphics explanation is simple; I have multiple friends who have careers in graphic art and illustration. Raz isn't known for being a frequent poster, so I don't have to use their help often. Also, as a forum administrator I feel that it would be good form to use the items that other forum members have created for me.

It's an American IP that nobody else has posted under. It's a high anonymity proxy so Raz could be Malawian for all we really know. If you are Raz, feel free to post from home now. :)

[Grendel]

Yeah I apparently live in Leeds according to the one I use to check IP's lol.

That's not too bad, according to the one I use to check IP's I live in bloody Coventry! I mean, Jesus Christ! At least make me live somewhere interesting!!

[vixen]

I wanna know what I have been missing, can somebody give me the readers digest version?

[Sir Brian]

Spankme = Jimmy James

when you gonna sort that problem out?

:chainsaw:

[Jacx]

Raz screwed up some peoples games by posting player numbers in game talk...now suddenly there is proof its tim|away which would be unethical however showing me or tim the proof would not work because we are unethical bastards anyway,,,,

its like a soap in here

[vixen]

some things never change......

[steff]

Raz screwed up some peoples games by posting player numbers in game talk...now suddenly there is proof its tim|away which would be unethical however showing me or tim the proof would not work because we are unethical bastards anyway,,,,

its like a soap in here

You missed the part where he hacked Daqqers forum...

edit - not Rawkmetal style... just enough to see everything we have, including private stuff without defacing or any other bad stuff (as far as I'm aware)

[Diogee]

All seems soo interesting but beside from Raz being a good tech guy, you have nothing. So you decide to blame someone that actually contributes to the forum and game. What a bunch of idiots, lets try to remember how many people access the internet and even if only .5% of them can do what Raz did it is very possible that Raz is not a multi.

[Jacx]

All seems soo interesting but beside from Raz being a good tech guy, you have nothing. So you decide to blame someone that actually contributes to the forum and game. What a bunch of idiots, lets try to remember how many people access the internet and even if only .5% of them can do what Raz did it is very possible that Raz is not a multi.

funny enough..u came to mind when then Raz stuff started again :sneaky:

[Diogee]

funny enough..u came to mind when then Raz stuff started again :sneaky:

but we both know I clueless when it comes to sigs

[Jacx]

damn those sigs

[steff]

Raz gunned Red's badly too, worse than Daqqers one round I believe.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2561/errorli8.jpg

[Diogee]

gotta cover my tracks some how

[Kloaked Spirit]

It's an American IP that nobody else has posted under. It's a high anonymity proxy so Raz could be Malawian for all we really know. If you are Raz, feel free to post from home now. :)

So you're saying that if I just don't use a proxy, and I post from my home computer under Raz's account, that this will prove once and for all that I am Raz and Tim isn't?

I just want to be sure this is the verification you desire.

[Jacx]

ere...what if KS has the wrong blood type..what then?

[steff]

So you're saying that if I just don't use a proxy, and I post from my home computer under Raz's account, that this will prove once and for all that I am Raz and Tim isn't?

I just want to be sure this is the verification you desire.

It'll do me since as far as I'm aware account sharing isn't allowed and a corrupt admin like yourself wouldn't collude with Raz to get his details or anything.

[swiss miss]

how are debos graphic skills??

anyone else noticed that Debo is Raz's ONLY friend?? Debo, once of daqqs....... but now not really so much of a daqq lover (it was he who posted their forum lists right here in oddthought afterall) and someone without a great affection for reds, i dont think..... or if nobody believes this smokescreen im trying to create, yes Raz is actually me, or is this a double bluff counter measure?? lmao

carry on with the conspiracy theories, this thread is providing much amusement.

:haha:

[Calienta]

If Raz is more than one person, which has been suggested, it could be a combination of 1 good programmer, 1 good writer, 1 good graphic artist :P

[swiss miss]

If Raz is more than one person, which has been suggested, it could be a combination of 1 good programmer, 1 good writer, 1 good graphic artist :P

and a recruitment consultant to get all those players to suicide daqs/PSD/reds??? :haha:

[Cushion]

"i think" (just for ure steffy :P) Raz is more than 1 person lol and atleast they putting the "wars" back into Dope"wars" :breakdance:

[Calienta]

and a recruitment consultant to get all those players to suicide daqs/PSD/reds??? :haha:

That would be the good writer?? hehe

[steff]

how are debos graphic skills??

anyone else noticed that Debo is Raz's ONLY friend?? Debo, once of daqqs....... but now not really so much of a daqq lover (it was he who posted their forum lists right here in oddthought afterall) and someone without a great affection for reds, i dont think

One of the reasons Daqqers and Debo parted ways was Debo's disbelief at Daqqers letting Raz in.

yes Raz is actually me, or is this a double bluff counter measure?? lmao

Raz is a good gunner (a)


If Raz is more than one person, which has been suggested, it could be a combination of 1 good programmer, 1 good writer, 1 good graphic artist :P

And there are still only a handful of people for each anyway. :P I mean even the graphic artist behind Raz is better than anyone I've seen here. (no offence to the great ones here... his is just different and much better I think)


Raz is more than 1 person lol

Still pretending that you know more than you actually know I see. Good job.

[Cushion]

Still pretending that you know more than you actually know I see. Good job.

well u got ure opinion on who u think it is, i got, got a prob ?

[steff]

You said for a fact it's more than one person. You didn't say it was an opinion. If it isn't more than one person then Raz is rather talented. :P

[Cushion]

fine ill edit my post just for u steffy :P

[seasider]

See heres the clutch innnit...if tim was raz, I would have to have him removed from staff, so the issue is, is this accusation just a excuse to get a tim and get him sacked or was this not thought of when this little game started.

if tim is raz this would be a matter for senior management and site owners so i won't say anything about what sort of action would be appropriate.

as for, is this some sort of deliberately malicious scheme to attack tim? well i think its you that is now resorting to conspiracy theories. your other suggestion that we are playing some sort of game that has got out of hand pretty much sums up what has been the attitude of oddthought to our questions and concerns.

all of our questions have been pretty much ridiculed and dismissed without any satisfactory answers being provided. for example raz's seeming ability to access any account or cartel he chooses is dismissed as due to weak passes or passes being known to third parties. or the more recent question about the artwork, no answer satisfactory or otherwise. the questions about the impossible gunning range and the, again near clairvoyant, ability to hit a hoarder every time.

you rightly point out that these things prove nothing, however you should acknowledge that they are reasonable questions. look at the growing list of names who have raised these and other questions about raz. is that just a list of cranks and haters who are out to do a good man down?

[Flechette]

if tim is raz this would be a matter for senior management and site owners so i won't say anything about what sort of action would be appropriate.

as for, is this some sort of deliberately malicious scheme to attack tim? well i think its you that is now resorting to conspiracy theories. your other suggestion that we are playing some sort of game that has got out of hand pretty much sums up what has been the attitude of oddthought to our questions and concerns.

all of our questions have been pretty much ridiculed and dismissed without any satisfactory answers being provided. for example raz's seeming ability to access any account or cartel he chooses is dismissed as due to weak passes or passes being known to third parties. or the more recent question about the artwork, no answer satisfactory or otherwise. the questions about the impossible gunning range and the, again near clairvoyant, ability to hit a hoarder every time.

you rightly point out that these things prove nothing, however you should acknowledge that they are reasonable questions. look at the growing list of names who have raised these and other questions about raz. is that just a list of cranks and haters who are out to do a good man down?

good points SeaSider. maybe if admin took a players concerns without making flippant and snide remarks... meh it will never happen :P

if KS confessed that he is Raz, is he fired?

and another thing, but this is totally 100% rumor and there are absolutely no facts to back this one up... i heard that RawkMetal and Raz are cousins! :O

[Jacx]

if tim is raz this would be a matter for senior management and site owners so i won't say anything about what sort of action would be appropriate.

as for, is this some sort of deliberately malicious scheme to attack tim? well i think its you that is now resorting to conspiracy theories. your other suggestion that we are playing some sort of game that has got out of hand pretty much sums up what has been the attitude of oddthought to our questions and concerns.

all of our questions have been pretty much ridiculed and dismissed without any satisfactory answers being provided. for example raz's seeming ability to access any account or cartel he chooses is dismissed as due to weak passes or passes being known to third parties. or the more recent question about the artwork, no answer satisfactory or otherwise. the questions about the impossible gunning range and the, again near clairvoyant, ability to hit a hoarder every time.

you rightly point out that these things prove nothing, however you should acknowledge that they are reasonable questions. look at the growing list of names who have raised these and other questions about raz. is that just a list of cranks and haters who are out to do a good man down?

What answers do you expect me to give...maybe you want Raz's ip address...NO i would not give urs out so him not gonna give his/hers out.

See what people don't get is some of us "staff" don't like Raz ourselves...for example I would not have to put up with accusations that a member of my team is intentionally harming cartels and thus harming the game via association!

I might joke about, but the point is with all the access I have, i still cannot tell who the hell he is...so what do I do eh? You made a comment

'you that is now resorting to conspiracy theories"

really, me?? I heard there is full on proof that tim is raz....however its yet to be seen by anyone on staff! How the hell do you expect me to react when accusations are made, yet no one bothers to prove shit, whos names get dragged in the mud by a few posts?

So yeh, if i sound that way, tough, I will be more resonable when there is something to be proved/defended...till then im doing no different to some of you!


Flechette same to you...u say:

good points SeaSider. maybe if admin took a players concerns without making flippant and snide remarks... meh it will never happen


well if you didnt just say you have full on proof then ignore requests to see it, you might get less filppant remarks eh?? if the roles were reversed I got no doubt you would act any different!

Dont accuse me...or my staff then expect me to beg sit and bow unless u give me something to work with, untill then its all rumors and nothing else!

[seasider]

ok jacx, if you were in my position how would you go about trying find this irrefutable proof?

what kind of evidence, that might be accessible to an average jo like me, would constitute proof?

[Jacx]

i got told u lot have proof...Im going by whats been said in this very thread dude

[Kloaked Spirit]

good points SeaSider. maybe if admin took a players concerns without making flippant and snide remarks... meh it will never happen :P

if KS confessed that he is Raz, is he fired?

and another thing, but this is totally 100% rumor and there are absolutely no facts to back this one up... i heard that RawkMetal and Raz are cousins! :O

Why would I need to be fired for being Raz? Unlike Tim, I don't have access to the game's control panel. I'm fully allowed to play in the games until that point because I don't have any extra powers that give me an unfair advantage. It would be like having to fire Steff, Dymond, Simon, Ridge, Hoos, etc. just for playing DW itself.

Now, when the time comes that I do have access to the game administration panel, I would have to stop playing because of the unfair advantage.

[seasider]

i got told u lot have proof...Im going by whats been said in this very thread dude


please don't make me reread the entire thread to find that post

[Ridgeback]

I heard there is full on proof that tim is raz

surely the fact that both have 3 letter names made up of 1 vowel and 2 consonants is enough proof!!!

[seasider]

jacx are we talking about flechette's post about the ip thing? i don't think i know what he's talking about.

putting any ip things aside because if there was anything concrete like that this conversation wouldn't even need to take place.

surely you can see just by the number of people who have raised concerns that the issue deserves more serious attention than it has thus far received from official quarters.

[Cushion]

i dont see why ppl need to know who Raz is... (and steff no i dont know who it is :P) to say "shit, didnt expect it to be u" or "lol knew it was u anyways" Raz clearly is a good player, like alotta other players, but we dont raise concern about them, dunno why we need to now :S

[seasider]

cush you entirely miss the point.

if raz is merely a very good player then we have no need or right to know who he is.

the point is that many people have expressed concern that tim may be somehow involved, or if not tim someone with similar privileges.

even you must be able to see there's a huge difference there

[HellRaiser]

Too much information known on every angle and front one cannot get without game access.
So Seasider has solid points... Last I checked, no one is that clairvoyant.

I'm not saying it's Tim, but there is no question Raz has game access or game access information fed.
What the irony is here?... In either case puts someone to blame with game access lol.

So who is taking the hot plate for that? lol

[Calienta]

Does Raz have access to game servers (whatever) or could it just be certain premmies that he can get into, through which he accesses different accounts?

I don't know all the stuff he's done, so.

[Jacx]

Too much information known on every angle and front one cannot get without game access.
So Seasider has solid points... Last I checked, no one is that clairvoyant.

I'm not saying it's Tim, but there is no question Raz has game access or game access information fed.
What the irony is here?... In either case puts someone to blame with game access lol.

So who is taking the hot plate for that? lol

see the red bit...ur wrong...same info in some cases were found in cartel forums... example in case...the issue we had with HH a while ago...he was upset...in the end regardless of the outcome, he knew of a number of holes in their setup that he didn't know of before!

[Juicy Fruit]

This is ridiculous it could be a number of things. From what I've read Raz is a fluent coder(Hacker) who is too say he couldn't get to the information that way. Plus I have seen many stupid pass words when I used too play.

But I am unaffected by all of this and merely do not believe Tim is Raz. There is certainly no proof in this thread. So this FM guy says its not worth trying to prove thing that are not provable.

[Cushion]

if u can code you dont need to have game access, i bet theres a few coders on oddthought, who chose not to brag about it, so it could really be any1, maybe Shiro Ishii :O lol and if tim sed it wasnt him, which he has, would u believe him anyways lol ?

[HellRaiser]

I'm just saying even without game access, last I checked hacking is illegal and obviously against game rules, but yet is allowed and protected.

A black kettle is a black kettle.

[Jacx]

and a lump of swiss cheese has lots of holes in it...much like some of the cartel forums i have seen!

[HellRaiser]

Come on Jacx seriously now...

see the red bit...ur wrong...same info in some cases were found in cartel forums... example in case...the issue we had with HH a while ago...he was upset...in the end regardless of the outcome, he knew of a number of holes in their setup that he didn't know of before!

Jacx, most of those things everyone can see, if you're looking for it, but for someone that isn't a deity sure seems to know everything and be everywhere and just not believable.

[Cushion]

well seeing as the api's was out, making anything u want with that, cant be classed as illegal seeing as they offered it to us lol

[HellRaiser]

This is way and beyond API info. Were talking about all information to determine when and whom to hit at leisure going seriously beyond all ranges.

[Cushion]

lol you'd be suprised what u can do with the api stuff, and any other code for that matter, is it even trackable ? (thats for the admins to answer) :)

[Tca]

Stupid and contagous <--- brains

Anti duck <--- ability to use ^^ brains

Timaway <--- just being a prick + the game access

Thatguy <---- the pictures

conspiracy over, idiots

edit - of course im pisstaking, i read this thread and timaway is a cunt and i don't like him (besides the giggles i actually received out of him being the downright condesending asshole he is) i think he is raz

do i have proof? of course not, but he sure as hell fits the profile like my hand fits my dick, which is pretty damn good ;) im not gonna sit here and accuse him though, i just REALLY wanna see who is having whos baby and who is cheating on their lover with their sister/brother

all this and more on forums of our lives

:popcorn:

[steff]

You have small hands don't you Jesse :D

[Tca]

You have small hands don't you Jesse :D

actually no, my dick ain't huge though, i'll give you that one for free lol

how you been anyways buddy? miss you :snuggle::flowers::P

[vixen]

Ok I am Raz - what did I do wrong? :)

[XXX]

:goodevil: LOL!@Vixen,,,, And we thought Raz was Rashid.
:group: P.S. Nice B( * )( * )BIE's Raz,,Come here and let us give'm a little squeeze for good luck!

[steff]

actually no, my dick ain't huge though, i'll give you that one for free lol

how you been anyways buddy? miss you :snuggle::flowers::P

I'm great mate :snuggle:

[Uganja]

it's me