Robert Mugabe needs shooting...

[Sir Brian]

...and The British Armed Forces need to relinquish his "government" of power. The situation is a disgrace, it has been so for many many years, but now the Zimbabwean regime is gaining international condemnation. Our Government, in my opinion, owes our ex-colony the freedom it deserves, and thus our armed forces should lead the way in stabalising the country and bringing democracy to the people.

I was aiming to include a lot of fact and background knowledge into this thread, but atm i really cant be arsed. It is a major player in our commonwealth yet we stand back and allow that dictator kill thousands of opposition supports + politicians, to persecute harrass and kill many thousands of whit British farmers.

However THE trouble is, these African nations strived for "independence" yet have, over the past decades desended into utter caios, not solely to there own fault. The Russian/Chinese influence in the Congo over the gold mines etc... the Saudis in Somalia... etc...

My point is, he needs assasinating, and our Armed Forces aught to be in there as appossed to Iraq!! (Although we are officially withdrawing from Iraq, i agree with our pressence in Afgahnistan).

[swiss miss]

im a bit of a pacifist when it comes to violence but youre right martin. Zimbabwe is, and has been for years, an absolute state and i believe a significant proportion of the population are crying out for more help from the international community (i am of course making the assumption that the first presidential vote was performed fairly and the majority that Morgan Changerai (sp) got represents a majority wanting change in the country)

what help, now that really is a very tough question but one i think we have dithered upon for too long, we have to remember that commonwealth is still a powerful community of nations (i believe some nations actually joined it despite not being an ex-colony, although someone else might want to correct me) and as head of the commonwealth we should be duty bound to aid any member in their hour (read years) of need.

whether that is the assasination of mugabe or a full scale entry of armed forces into zimbabwe, i dont know. Can you declare war on a government but not a country?? I think britain decalring war on zimbabwe would be a bit of a faux pas but on mugabe and his government... maybe not too bad. the situation in kenya has quietened down significantly, and to be completely honest i dont really know what has happened there (i should :$), but last time i heard they were discussing a shared government and that that might be a possibility in zimbabwe..... i dont know if that is enough, but maybe it is a start and would be a potential for change, hopefully avoiding violence and bloodshed

phew, im glad the only important decisions i have to make are what to wear in the morning, lol

[Buckledmac]

nothing more needs to be said really than the fool needs to be taken out

[Jacx]

...and The British Armed Forces need to relinquish his "government" of power. The situation is a disgrace, it has been so for many many years, but now the Zimbabwean regime is gaining international condemnation. Our Government, in my opinion, owes our ex-colony the freedom it deserves, and thus our armed forces should lead the way in stabalising the country and bringing democracy to the people.

Wow that sounds like Bush, we don't like you so lets kill you off and be done with it, suppose ur gonna have us stay they and rebuild after too eh?

I was aiming to include a lot of fact and background knowledge into this thread, but atm i really cant be arsed. It is a major player in our commonwealth yet we stand back and allow that dictator kill thousands of opposition supports + politicians, to persecute harrass and kill many thousands of whit British farmers.


White British farmers???? who where when...no they are White Zimbabweans so the old protect your own is a load of old bollocks sunshine!


However THE trouble is, these African nations strived for "independence" yet have, over the past decades desended into utter caios, not solely to there own fault. The Russian/Chinese influence in the Congo over the gold mines etc... the Saudis in Somalia... etc...

What, some of these African nations actually do quite well for themselves, unfortunately the dictator ones get all the press limelight!

My point is, he needs assasinating, and our Armed Forces aught to be in there as appossed to Iraq!! (Although we are officially withdrawing from Iraq, i agree with our pressence in Afgahnistan).


Why should we be there, why not another African army???


Ok ok, don't get me wrong here, I hate the fuck myself, and yeh I can imagine someone popping him might do the place some good!

Problem is who is gonna take over, the brits? god no, thats all we need to be doing, the damn British invading again, it will be jihad all over again.

No its got to be done by the people themselves....its getting close to something snapping over there, if the people themselves rebel and over throw its a whole new ball game, if we are invited in to help, hell yes all the more better and we should go in a hurry.

But right now with the state of world affairs, jumping in without invite is the VERY worst thing that could be done, the damage will last lifetimes and the British reputation will be tainted world wide for a long long time!

[Sir Brian]

Wow that sounds like Bush, we don't like you so lets kill you off and be done with it, suppose ur gonna have us stay they and rebuild after too eh?

Yes we should help rebuild Zimbabwe.

White British farmers???? who where when...no they are White Zimbabweans so the old protect your own is a load of old bollocks sunshine!

My mum teaches a kid who came back from Zimbabwe with their Grandparents, who owned a farm over there and were haranged out of the country. YES, they are British Farm steads, my family live/own/work on farms, dont get started on this shit. The British Farmers used to go out there to work the land for the coloniels, and while the children's children who now run these farms are technically Zimbabwean, many would class themselves as British/Zimbabwean. These experienced farmers run the land effectively and create many many jobs for locals. However Mugabe's idea, which in essence seems a good idea, was to run out all the old white farmers "British" farmers and hand the land over to locals.... however as a consequence many farms ran in to disrepair due to mismanagement etc... hence are not producing as they used to and are not providing the stable jobs they used to.

So yes, we do ow these many thousands of British farmers our support, and furthemore we ow our fellow commonwealth members protection, freedom and democracy.

What, some of these African nations actually do quite well for themselves, unfortunately the dictator ones get all the press limelight!

And???

Why should we be there, why not another African army???

You moron, which army A has the resources to do so and B has the political will power to move in "peacefully" or to make "peace". Frankly only the South Africans have the strength to do so, and currantly they are sitting on the fence.

[the squid of despair]

Have to agree with Jacx. In the long run, it always comes to bite you in the ass. I'll use the good old "Zimbabwe has no oil, so we have no reson to attack" argument...

Africa needs to step up and deal with it themselves. America and Europe need to help themselves for a little while.

[Cushion]

i got some free time i kill mugabe and run for new president :breakdance:

[seasider]

These experienced farmers run the land effectively and create many many jobs for locals.


read; exploit cheap labour

[Furyous]

I have an ex roommate and good friend who was forced to flee Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. His family was of Brittish descent and his father was a high ranking military officer. His father now works as a boat mechanic in the US, and will not talk about his past in his country. They (the entire family) all dream of the day when they can return to their beloved country. Hate Mugabe with a passion, and would fully agree with the whole move in and knock him off argument. As an American, I can tell you that what Jacx brought up is also true. The first country to send in help to knock the bastard off, will be scorned by the majority of the world. Europeans, Chinese and Russians like to pass judgement upon any country that acts as an "agressor" whether the people in the country support the move or not, it would probably end up coming back to bite you in the ass.

Just the other day, one of my employees was spouting off about how the US has never won a war, blah, blah, blah. I asked him to shut up for a second, then told him I had a very important question for him to ponder. Does anyone ever really win a war???

I'll leave you with that.

[Sir Brian]

read; exploit cheap labour

you live in the western world i take it....
read...

Nike
Addidas
Reebok
Nestle
Nescafe
Kenco
Wallmart
McDonalds
Puma....

diamonds, trainers, clothing, plastics, coffee, corn...

[HellRaiser]

Some of you people make me laugh.

The obvious point that is being negated or ignorantly avoided is the simple fact Mugabe
is responsible for who knows how many thousands of citizens he is behind slaughtering.
A Country people cannot rise against an strong opressor without the financial aid/connections
for military cache to even arm themselves to fight. Nevermind, someone to teach them to fight.
You can't win a battle against assault weapons and RPG's with sticks and rocks lol.

Someone has to stop the insanity, because surely the UN is the biggest facade and hypocrisy going.

[Asshole]

Mugabe is a legend..

The man made everyone in his country multi-billionaires, and completley turned the farming system on its head!!

God praise you robert