Pro Games

[Zeus]

1. The sewing machine weight needs to be further reduced or make thuggings of machines doubled in reduction.

2. No donations. This is Pro, I thought you have to win on skill and not financial status.

3. Increase junkies benefits by .5 - 1.%

[Chronic]

1. The sewing machine weight needs to be further reduced or make thuggings of machines doubled in reduction.

2. No donations. This is Pro, I thought you have to win on skill and not financial status.

3. Increase junkies benefits by .5 - 1.%

I agree...to much relying on sewing machines

and yes, at least 1 of the pro a games needs to be all skill with no donating...nothing pro about donating

[Carping]

well we have won pro1 both games and the only donating we did was to use the codes we won from the first round. is no secret we ran junks both rounds and won easily both games so if anything the machine output needs to be put back to normal and not decreased anymore.

[Zeus]

well we have won pro1 both games and the only donating we did was to use the codes we won from the first round. is no secret we ran junks both rounds and won easily both games so if anything the machine output needs to be put back to normal and not decreased anymore.

Mihai carried you guys coupled with codes, don't kid yourself Scott. Sometimes your head swells up to huge proportions. On a level playing field you would of gotten fucked by Mad Bastard, Big Rick, Spork, Mothefucker, and Nebiros. I have legitimate concerns and dont contradict them with your inflated scores.

[Carping]

Mihai carried you guys coupled with codes, don't kid yourself Scott. Sometimes your head swells up to huge proportions. On a level playing field you would of gotten fucked by Mad Bastard, Big Rick, Spork, Mothefucker, and Nebiros. I have legitimate concerns and dont contradict them with your inflated scores.

is no doubt mihai had a couple of great rounds but how can you say he carried us when we finished with the top 4 players. your right sometimes i do get a big head but that never stops you being the first to try recruit me at reset:P

[BIGRICK]

Mihai carried you guys coupled with codes, don't kid yourself Scott. Sometimes your head swells up to huge proportions. On a level playing field you would of gotten fucked by Mad Bastard, Big Rick, Spork, Mothefucker, and Nebiros. I have legitimate concerns and dont contradict them with your inflated scores.

And what a nice little Gun cartel we had. Finished with 2500 Junkies and pure guns!!!!;)

[Spork!!!]

I had stolen 1k before end of week 2. what a fuckup that was. I learned.. :p

[BIGRICK]

I had stolen 1k before end of week 2. what a fuckup that was. I learned.. :p

Can't wait to get back after my wedding!!!!! I'm sure you'll be kicking my ass my then Spork :)

[supernova]

1. The sewing machine weight needs to be further reduced or make thuggings of machines doubled in reduction.

2. No donations. This is Pro, I thought you have to win on skill and not financial status.

3. Increase junkies benefits by .5 - 1.%

1. Disagree. Machinists untouched may carry a small advantage over junkie players untouched, but have 2 vulnerabilities junkie players do not have. One is, ironically, their weaker defense. A dedicated cartel of gunners (playing for another top worth cartel) can just beat them down, taking 10x more vests than suiciders. Likewise, a cartel of thuggers can easily overpower their thug defense and destroy their production on a man-on-man basis.

2. I would vote likewise, but it's drug dealing and the rich have the power :)

3. Agree. This is just because the bonuses here are a bit ridiculous (19 times less on a cartel level than in regular A games), though the not so obvious aspects I talked above may still motivate the use of junkie strat.

[Carping]

And what a nice little Gun cartel we had. Finished with 2500 Junkies and pure guns!!!!;)

i have to agree that one hell of a strong 5 man gun cart

[Zeus]

1. Disagree. Machinists untouched may carry a small advantage over junkie players untouched, but have 2 vulnerabilities junkie players do not have. One is, ironically, their weaker defense. A dedicated cartel of gunners (playing for another top worth cartel) can just beat them down, taking 10x more vests than suiciders. Likewise, a cartel of thuggers can easily overpower their thug defense and destroy their production on a man-on-man basis.


No gunners that I play with jump machinist just to kill vest, thats ridiculous. See Ricks post, 2500 junkies, he didnt get that by beating down machinist.

[supernova]

No gunners that I play with jump machinist just to kill vest, thats ridiculous. See Ricks post, 2500 junkies, he didnt get that by beating down machinist.

Ok, call them bad gunners. But a top worth cartel may want to recruit some of them. Junkie players will be able to fend these guys off, but machinists at 100% stamina will not.

PS: I got my 2500 junkies from jumping gunners. Not so ridiculous I hope :)

[Zeus]

Ok, call them bad gunners. But a top worth cartel may want to recruit some of them. Junkie players will be able to fend these guys off, but machinists at 100% stamina will not.

PS: I got my 2500 junkies from jumping gunners. Not so ridiculous I hope :)


not ridiculous, just weak

[Diezel]

not ridiculous, just weak

Or very smart ...!

On the other hand i got jumped the shit outta with gunners hit most money twice first time lost 300mill i think and a lot of junkies started hoarding far to early the 2nd time i lost a bit more from mental cunt a friend to grrrrr and then for rest of round the cartel hit me so i was reduced to vesting back a bit like you Zeus in b2 :haha: but i agree the gunners have far to much strengh in the pro rooms im done in there .

[supernova]

Lol, go try this strat for a round! Just for the sake of it :)
I am sure a few other legendary cobras enjoy messing around with gunners, when nobody's watching ...

[Carping]

Lol, go try this strat for a round! Just for the sake of it :)
I am sure a few other legendary cobras enjoy messing around with gunners, when nobody's watching ...

oh so true, they all moan but we all do it:P

[seasider]

loving the game just as it is

deizel:bye:

[Diezel]

loving the game just as it is

deizel:bye:

Hope when i take overall this round it will change your mind 3rd last round so only way is up for me ;)

[seasider]

no mate, not interested in worth scores other than for how much cash and junkies i can take from them.

btw as gunners get wise to how to gun pro games your strat will be useless so i think the only way for you is down not up mate

[Diezel]

no mate, not interested in worth scores other than for how much cash and junkies i can take from them.

btw as gunners get wise to how to gun pro games your strat will be useless so i think the only way for you is down not up mate

Im done with pro rooms bud, Gunners deadly in there not worth the time of day for junkie runners

[seasider]

i'll take that as a compliment

[supernova]

Im done with pro rooms bud, Gunners deadly in there not worth the time of day for junkie runners

Chicken :)

[Diezel]

Chicken :)

Cmon down Mhia you realy want me start up an account and gun hehe i think id be able to catch up lol

[supernova]

Kidding man ... Gunners can be a pain haha. But Pro A is easiest for low stam gunning and probably the only way you can win without donating. B games are actually the trickiest, and I am sure you needed more than 10 minutes a day ...
PS: If you start a gunning account now, not many people will be scared :P

[Diezel]

Kidding man ... Gunners can be a pain haha. But Pro A is easiest for low stam gunning and probably the only way you can win without donating. B games are actually the trickiest, and I am sure you needed more than 10 minutes a day ...
PS: If you start a gunning account now, not many people will be scared :P

Na man b games are easiest all my hits are in a 2 hour period and most of them all in the same 30 mins bro think ill break 200mill again in b1 this round ;)

[Chronic]

so back to original topic brought up....main thing, no donating, at least in 1 a pro game

[Kloaked Spirit]

As we discussed in the last thread about it, "no donations" in a room is extremely unlikely to ever happen. In fact, there are about only two scenarios in which it would ever happen.

- A "pay to play" game. You pay an entry fee up front, and receive gifts of some sort for the winner. Of course, we'd have to orchestrate it to where we'd be in compliance with all sorts of regulations, to keep it from being seen as "gambling" of any kind.

- A private game that someone paid to host. Then they could set up the rules because they paid the fee to set up the game.

Dai (I think) said it best. If we have just one Pro game that allows for no donations, then here's what will happen. Everyone will play and some people will win in the donated rooms. Then everyone else is going to go "well your victory means absolute shit because you didn't play in a room where donating isn't allowed." So because of that stigma, everyone will eventually have to take their crew to the non-donation game, and then all of a sudden we have a huge expense from a business administration standpoint.

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Regarding balancing issues: I'll consult Tim on that when he's not busy doing 700 other items.

[supernova]

Apparently they are in direct competition with hi5 and want to make the game look more like a social network. As hi5 scores didn't reset, the scores are huge there, so FB came with a way of "catching up" ;)

[Chronic]

I dont think anything like that would happen but you guys are the brains behind the operation so i guess we just have to watch and see if dunder can donate there way to the top one of these times......lol

ok, how about the other points Dave made when he started this thread?

[Carping]

fuck it increase the level of donations to $75 then i can make my team win by even further:P

if you all got shit jobs paying minimum wage then tuff shit you should have studied harder at school/colledge or uni. i worked my ass of from the age of 14-22 to be able to afford a few luxerys in life and dw is a good method of relaxation for me and a few $$$$$$$$$ each month is well worth the hassle to hear you all moan about it

[Calienta]

fuck it increase the level of donations to $75 then i can make my team win by even further:P

if you all got shit jobs paying minimum wage then tuff shit you should have studied harder at school/colledge or uni. i worked my ass of from the age of 14-22 to be able to afford a few luxerys in life and dw is a good method of relaxation for me and a few $$$$$$$$$ each month is well worth the hassle to hear you all moan about it

Just because we don't care to throw our money into a game does not mean we don't have money or good jobs. It's just different priorities.

[Diezel]

fuck it increase the level of donations to $75 then i can make my team win by even further:P

if you all got shit jobs paying minimum wage then tuff shit you should have studied harder at school/colledge or uni. i worked my ass of from the age of 14-22 to be able to afford a few luxerys in life and dw is a good method of relaxation for me and a few $$$$$$$$$ each month is well worth the hassle to hear you all moan about it



So what your saying all your overalls have came with donations boosting your score and averge skill so realy they are alot of better players out there than you but just not as stupid to whack in the max donation every round ?

I think Lowins post it the nail on the head ...!

[Calienta]

I once called Dunder out in GT for his donations, I said that he better be giving at least the same amount to charity otherwise he's pathetic.

He then deleted the thread so my post disappeared. pmsl

[KACK]

im a broke bastard with no job :( cant donate. im a less then average player cause i cant donate.

[Diezel]

im a broke bastard with no job :( cant donate. im a less then average player cause i cant donate.

You crack me up Kack, And you dont need to donate to get good scores just noticed Carpings best b 199mill and im taking it he donated well my best score eclipse that with 24milln and it never cost me a penny ;)


I once called Dunder out in GT for his donations, I said that he better be giving at least the same amount to charity otherwise he's pathetic.

He then deleted the thread so my post disappeared. pmsl

Dunder ie Michael Scott does not just donate for himself he donates for all is cartel to i"ve been hearing more money than sence :haha:

[Carping]

So what your saying all your overalls have came with donations boosting your score and averge skill so realy they are alot of better players out there than you but just not as stupid to whack in the max donation every round ?

I think Lowins post it the nail on the head ...!

yep thats right im an average player with average skill and an average job......as for the donating yes i dont deny i donate some rounds but only when i got a shot at the gold or overall player. im betting not 1 single player has won an overall in the last 12 months without donating in either "A" or "B" games.

IF YOU ALL DONT LIKE THE FACT I GOT A FEW QUID YOU CAN ALL "KISS MY ASS":bleh:

[Calienta]

I don't care that you 'have a few quid'. But you should really think about donating some of it to a worthwhile cause :P

[Diezel]

yep thats right im an average player with average skill and an average job......as for the donating yes i dont deny i donate some rounds but only when i got a shot at the gold or overall player. im betting not 1 single player has won an overall in the last 12 months without donating in either "A" or "B" games.

IF YOU ALL DONT LIKE THE FACT I GOT A FEW QUID YOU CAN ALL "KISS MY ASS":bleh:


Well that says it all but i think they may be a certain player taking overall this round without donating :P

[Carping]

[/B]


Well that says it all but i think they may be a certain player taking overall this round without donating :P

you wanna bet me a code you dont take overall from b1 this round. the min you start buying vests i bet i can get a gun cart to smash those vests away from you at the rate of 200,000 a day min :-) NOT WHAT YOU KNOW BUT WHO YOU KNOW. and if you think you can do it with buying all guns think again

[Diezel]

you wanna bet me a code you dont take overall from b1 this round. the min you start buying vests i bet i can get a gun cart to smash those vests away from you at the rate of 200,000 a day min :-) NOT WHAT YOU KNOW BUT WHO YOU KNOW. and if you think you can do it with buying all guns think again

Na i dont wanna bet you nothing i know your good gunner ..!

[Carping]

Na i dont wanna bet you nothing i know your good gunner ..!

to be honest im not gunning and i dont doubt your skills as a player but to brag that you gonna take overall this round when there is still over a week to go is just asking for trouble. the market been ultra low all round and im betting many players will hit 190+ this game. if you wanna take overall this round you need to be looking at a score of 220+. i know you got millions of creds (which he has just sold hint hint) but the price is too low for you to make a real inpact and take the room and overall as you so confident of doing. your very very good at what you do but that dont make you a great player

[Diezel]

to be honest im not gunning and i dont doubt your skills as a player but to brag that you gonna take overall this round when there is still over a week to go is just asking for trouble. the market been ultra low all round and im betting many players will hit 190+ this game. if you wanna take overall this round you need to be looking at a score of 220+. i know you got millions of creds (which he has just sold hint hint) but the price is too low for you to make a real inpact and take the room and overall as you so confident of doing. your very very good at what you do but that dont make you a great player

Why thank you man but i sell and rebuy every day in there if you would have noticed i had most money today and reinvested in creds same procedure i am doing now :P

[Carping]

Why thank you man but i sell and rebuy every day in there if you would have noticed i had most money today and reinvested in creds same procedure i am doing now :P


oh i know exactly what you are doing and i know you was on mm about 1 1/2 hours ago hense my comment about all your creds just been sold. goon try your luck buy vests with all that cash and just see how long they last :-)

you want me to post the pm you just sent me??????????? that can be aranged ;)

[Diezel]

oh i know exactly what you are doing and i know you was on mm about 1 1/2 hours ago hense my comment about all your creds just been sold. goon try your luck buy vests with all that cash and just see how long they last :-)

you want me to post the pm you just sent me??????????? that can be aranged ;)

Na your cool but i thought ya just said your not gunning me ?

[Carping]

Na your cool but i thought ya just said your not gunning me ?

no im not gunning but i know plenty who are. like i said its not what you know but who you know

[KACK]

and like i can confirm who wp is b1

[shmokethedope]

who is wp in B1 please tell!:P:bleh:

[supernova]

yep thats right im an average player with average skill and an average job......as for the donating yes i dont deny i donate some rounds but only when i got a shot at the gold or overall player. im betting not 1 single player has won an overall in the last 12 months without donating in either "A" or "B" games.

IF YOU ALL DONT LIKE THE FACT I GOT A FEW QUID YOU CAN ALL "KISS MY ASS":bleh:

I think I saw a few A rounds with 125-130 overall best, which is theoretically achievable by a standard strat without donating - it's mostly about not making mistakes, not getting hit and playing in a full junkie cartel. When I played as Facebook Gunner I didn't use extra $$, but snooz covered the records and the other gunners probably thought I was running machines ...

[Chronic]

fuck it increase the level of donations to $75 then i can make my team win by even further:P

if you all got shit jobs paying minimum wage then tuff shit you should have studied harder at school/colledge or uni. i worked my ass of from the age of 14-22 to be able to afford a few luxerys in life and dw is a good method of relaxation for me and a few $$$$$$$$$ each month is well worth the hassle to hear you all moan about it



lol......sorry to hear DW is a luxury for u to spend your hard earned money on

A luxury to me is a boat, jet skis, ATV's....not a online game

I went to uni and have a degree and make very good money but that has nothing to do with being skilled in this game......i relax when i play this game and it costs me nothing.....i just guess a shot at overall will never happen without a measley donation....but i believe in skill, not cash

[KACK]

who is wp in B1 please tell!:P:bleh:

underdogs

[shmokethedope]

underdogs


haha guessing you have been talking to your friend alan carson...

[Diezel]

haha guessing you have been talking to your friend alan carson...

No one as been talking to me but do you want me to talk ???????

[Dymond]

I'm still unsure why we can't have a no donation game. I say let the players that wanna drop $20 on the games do it in A2-A4. I'm sure there is enough money to be made to fund the medal rounds w/o the need for donations there as well. Personally I've been fucked out of overalls enough by donators to want to see a game were skill alone can get you a win.

[shmokethedope]

obviously i understand you guys make money off this game so you want to make as much as possible.
how about 1 round 1 B game and 1 A game room with no donations in?reckon that will ever happen?

[KACK]

haha guessing you have been talking to your friend alan carson...

shit i was guessing but if thats wp then no need to hide.

[Kloaked Spirit]

I'm still unsure why we can't have a no donation game. I say let the players that wanna drop $20 on the games do it in A2-A4. I'm sure there is enough money to be made to fund the medal rounds w/o the need for donations there as well. Personally I've been fucked out of overalls enough by donators to want to see a game were skill alone can get you a win.

It's been explained multiple times why we can't have a non-donation room (short of a private/special game.) However, for those that have not been here as long as I have, let's recap how oddthought people react in the spirit of competitive nature.

- When we had just A1/A2, B1/B2, it was simple. People were screaming that A1/B1 were the real games. If you won in A2/B2, the community as a whole just called you a pussy for not "playing in the big leagues." As a result, more people moved to A1/B1 games.

- When we were up to 16 A and B games, people started complaining because all the cartels could hide and partner up with one another and no one would have to really make decisions. Hence the reduction to 4 medal rooms, and 12 training rooms.

- When we reduced back to A1-A4 being medals, it was ok for a while. Then once again the major challenge became "Oh yeah, do it in A1. I bet you can't." In fact, TLB made a signature which promoted the fact that they did do it because it was so rare (they were the 2nd team to do it at that time.) This sort of stigma made us go full circle where only the A1/B1 game counted for anything.

So let's assume that we make a non-donation room. People will once again tout the stigma of "your win means shit because you could have donated" and will want the medal rooms to only be the non-donation rooms. Since of course people really like playing for shiny e-objects to inflate an e-ego, this means that more people will flock to those games, and the business model takes a hit in profitability that is completely unnecessary.

However as pointed out before, we may see what we can do about having a game where everyone pays the same entry fee, and then no donations/codes are allowed within the game. Then the business model remains alive so the game can be paid for, and everyone gets their no-donation game. Plus since everyone would be paying for it, the entry fee would be unlikely to be high. Hell if you imagine that only 10% of all people that play donate the full $20, then the entry fee would be roughly in the $2-$3 area to bring in the same monetary cash flow.

[seasider]

I like this idea but the only problem i forsee is that OT does have enough different ways to pay. I stand to be corrected but I think the only way to pay for a code is via credit card as there is no facility for paypal or debit cards and I'm sure you don't want a load of personal cheques for $2 each.

[EviLWaYz]

So what your saying all your overalls have came with donations boosting your score and averge skill so realy they are alot of better players out there than you but just not as stupid to whack in the max donation every round ?

I think Lowins post it the nail on the head ...!


Alan dont be stupid no matter how much you donate you still have to have a massive amount of skill to get to the point where you can donate and win..

i would bet he would do 120 mil A games and 160-170 mil B games with out codes

[tim|away]

I like this idea but the only problem i forsee is that OT does have enough different ways to pay. I stand to be corrected but I think the only way to pay for a code is via credit card as there is no facility for paypal or debit cards and I'm sure you don't want a load of personal cheques for $2 each.

You are mentioning an issue we've been exploring ourselves for the last couple of weeks. We certainly don't offer enough different methods of payment at present. Either John or I will write a detailed announcement regarding the upcoming payment additions very soon, but I can already spoil a few things.

Accepting Pay Pal and debit cards is something which would certainly improve the current situation, but we will take it a step further and aim at providing the most convenient payment of the indivual player's choice. It will be possible to pay with your mobile phone and it will also be possible to NOT pay at all. Yes, that's right. We have been contacting a lot of different companies in order to provide services that require you to sign up or to fill out a survey which in turn gives you dopewars tokens in form of a donation code. It might be a rather interesting option for those that either don't have the money or don't want their credit card information to be stored on the internet.

[Carping]

Alan dont be stupid no matter how much you donate you still have to have a massive amount of skill to get to the point where you can donate and win..

i would bet he would do 120 mil A games and 160-170 mil B games with out codes

you are actually smack on the money there GK. my pb with no codes are 123 in "A" games and 174 in "B" games

[EviLWaYz]

you are actually smack on the money there GK. my pb with no codes are 123 in "A" games and 174 in "B" games

damn:( i should of bet something :haha:

[Chronic]

It's been explained multiple times why we can't have a non-donation room (short of a private/special game.) However, for those that have not been here as long as I have, let's recap how oddthought people react in the spirit of competitive nature.

- When we had just A1/A2, B1/B2, it was simple. People were screaming that A1/B1 were the real games. If you won in A2/B2, the community as a whole just called you a pussy for not "playing in the big leagues." As a result, more people moved to A1/B1 games.

- When we were up to 16 A and B games, people started complaining because all the cartels could hide and partner up with one another and no one would have to really make decisions. Hence the reduction to 4 medal rooms, and 12 training rooms.

- When we reduced back to A1-A4 being medals, it was ok for a while. Then once again the major challenge became "Oh yeah, do it in A1. I bet you can't." In fact, TLB made a signature which promoted the fact that they did do it because it was so rare (they were the 2nd team to do it at that time.) This sort of stigma made us go full circle where only the A1/B1 game counted for anything.

So let's assume that we make a non-donation room. People will once again tout the stigma of "your win means shit because you could have donated" and will want the medal rooms to only be the non-donation rooms. Since of course people really like playing for shiny e-objects to inflate an e-ego, this means that more people will flock to those games, and the business model takes a hit in profitability that is completely unnecessary.

However as pointed out before, we may see what we can do about having a game where everyone pays the same entry fee, and then no donations/codes are allowed within the game. Then the business model remains alive so the game can be paid for, and everyone gets their no-donation game. Plus since everyone would be paying for it, the entry fee would be unlikely to be high. Hell if you imagine that only 10% of all people that play donate the full $20, then the entry fee would be roughly in the $2-$3 area to bring in the same monetary cash flow.




1 round of pro a isnt going to break the bank. No one asked for medal rooms to be non donating. Obviously alot of peeps donate in medal rooms and still get their ass handed to them when their cartel doesnt even medal. big diff between a cartel of 20 vs 5.

Only the idiots would blabber on about wanting medal rooms to not have donaters as obviously this game wouldnt exist without. Were talking ego vs reality that no donations, no games

[Diezel]

you are actually smack on the money there GK. my pb with no codes are 123 in "A" games and 174 in "B" games

I"ll catch you in A games soon and you have lot of catching up to do in B games Donationless .. look at sig ;)

[Carping]

I"ll catch you in A games soon and you have lot of catching up to do in B games Donationless .. look at sig ;)

CARPING= 5 X OVERALL DIEZEL= ZERO X OVERALL :closed:

[EviLWaYz]

CARPING= 5 X OVERALL DIEZEL= ZERO X OVERALL :closed:

he has a point alan

[Diezel]

CARPING= 5 X OVERALL DIEZEL= ZERO X OVERALL :closed:

Overalls will come to thoes who play :thumbs:

he has a point alan

Gk i think you get a hardon everytime Carping posts :closed:

[Carping]

CARPING...

5X OVERALL WINNER
GOLD CART FOUNDER
SILVER CART FOUNDER
BRONZE CART FOUNDER
OVERALL CART FOUNDER
20 ODD ROOM WINS

DIEZEL....

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[EviLWaYz]

Overalls will come to thoes who play :thumbs:



Gk i think you get a hardon everytime Carping posts :closed: naw only when i see him own you :haha:

[Kloaked Spirit]

1 round of pro a isnt going to break the bank. No one asked for medal rooms to be non donating. Obviously alot of peeps donate in medal rooms and still get their ass handed to them when their cartel doesnt even medal. big diff between a cartel of 20 vs 5.

Only the idiots would blabber on about wanting medal rooms to not have donaters as obviously this game wouldnt exist without. Were talking ego vs reality that no donations, no games

Well, it'd be 1 round of A pro assuming that we won't do the same for regular v2 A and B. I mean why should only the Pro games get this treatment? Then again, no one said we'd have to forfeit everything in order to satisfy this need. We only stated that it'd be an unnecessary hit. Also, no one said that we'd be forced to ever make it a medal game. All I stated is that people would eventually want that game to be the medal game because it's even/more fair/etc. That people will want, and Oddthought history has proven this over and over again. I mean why shouldn't they? It'd be a very valid argument.