World of Warcraft

[shadow]

Long story in short :)

Never played it before. downloaded 10 day trial. keep getting disconnected from server every 10 minutes. I have shitty mobile internet (usb) Is that the prob or is it likely to work better when i buy it? Dont want to buy the game to still get dc every 10 minutes from the server because my internet cant handle it.

It also advised downloading divx 9.0c which i did (cost me 36 in phone credit) prob a rip off company right?

[WorldCrisis]

Wireless internet is terrible for gaming, that's your problem.

[stokes91]

it's your connection, i've been playing it for a few months and i've never had a problem with the connection.

so is this thread just about the internet connection or you want more info on the game?

[shadow]

Wireless internet is terrible for gaming, that's your problem.

Regardless of the speed?

So if i upgraded my mobile internet to a faster package would it not make much of a difference?

[shadow]

it's your connection, i've been playing it for a few months and i've never had a problem with the connection.

so is this thread just about the internet connection or you want more info on the game?

I dont know much about either lol

Is the game worth playing, from the testing ive done it seems to be quite addictive. That I dont have a problem with, as I dont watch much TV when im chilling around the house im on my comp or studying anyway. So what im asking, I guess, is is the game worth the time spent playing it or after a few months will i get bored and realise ive just been doing the same bollocks for months on end?

[stokes91]

WoW is all about end game content
the leveling is better than most games, but its kind of boring(you'll probably find yourself making a few alts just to keep yourself going) but once you get to 70/80 then you see what WoW is all about

PvE is top notch, PvP is decent....horde always beats alliance in most maps which kind of sucks for us alliance :(
i'm on a PvE server so i cant say much for world pvp, i've done a bit but since its a pve server I usually get the short end of the stick when i flag myself for pvp

[DarkNebula]

Unfortunately this game now panders completely to bads and casuals, everything in the game is easy if you have half a brain. Essentially all end game content now boils down to, dont stand in this, but stand in that, press this button once every 30secs while spamming your other buttons.

[shadow]

WoW is all about end game content
the leveling is better than most games, but its kind of boring(you'll probably find yourself making a few alts just to keep yourself going) but once you get to 70/80 then you see what WoW is all about

PvE is top notch, PvP is decent....horde always beats alliance in most maps which kind of sucks for us alliance :(
i'm on a PvE server so i cant say much for world pvp, i've done a bit but since its a pve server I usually get the short end of the stick when i flag myself for pvp


PvE, PvP?

why does thge hoarde always win? doesnt it depend on the players?

[Flipchic]

PvE, PvP?

why does thge hoarde always win? doesnt it depend on the players?

PvE = Player Vs Environment PvP = Player Vs Player

Me and my sis play in PvP server, and our character is a lvl 64 Blood Elf (hoarde). Playing in PvP is alright, its fun to see how strong your character's build against others, try your skills and stuff. We havent tried The Lich King though. And i dont play much now, coz i got other games to "prioritize" (like MMORPG's that our company is publishing for SEA lol). So far were ok with WoW...

[stokes91]

pve is mindless, sure. its still fun to get gear though.
but you try arena as a hunter and still tell me wow doesnt take some skill(without being carried by your other team mates)
try any pvp as a hunter....unlike like some classes that use 5 skills max, hunter is actually quite a challenge(to be GOOD, at least)

[Asshole]

WoW is an awful game, the only thing it achieved was introducing a lot of newer players to the MMO scene, but it really is an easy game, pathetically so,

For a slightly more challenging one you could play warhammer, which i currently play, but by far the hardest MMO i ever played was DAoC and god do i miss it..

[Colonel Sanders]

It is easy but high HIGH end arena is quite competitive and a challenge. Which is why you don't see many people walking around with Gladiator.

But as I've said before I don't play MMO's for a challenge and personally that sounds bad to me. MMO's already take a lot of play time to maintain, to make it really hard seems uneccesary and bad. As long as I have fun with friends and get to shit talk people I don't care how easy it is, as long as I get to be competitive (ie arena).

But I will probably quit playing all together soon enough anyways. They've royally fucked up PvP and it's going to be felt in arenas awfully. Too much RnG and class balance issues now. Season 5 is going to be very imbalanced to where little or no skill is required for DPS teams to reach high rating and nothing but a major patch will fix arena again (which blizzard will try desperately to hang onto) so the changes will come...maybe when that happens I'll start playing again.

[Asshole]

It is easy but high HIGH end arena is quite competitive and a challenge. Which is why you don't see many people walking around with Gladiator.

But as I've said before I don't play MMO's for a challenge and personally that sounds bad to me. MMO's already take a lot of play time to maintain, to make it really hard seems uneccesary and bad. As long as I have fun with friends and get to shit talk people I don't care how easy it is, as long as I get to be competitive (ie arena).

But I will probably quit playing all together soon enough anyways. They've royally fucked up PvP and it's going to be felt in arenas awfully. Too much RnG and class balance issues now. Season 5 is going to be very imbalanced to where little or no skill is required for DPS teams to reach high rating and nothing but a major patch will fix arena again (which blizzard will try desperately to hang onto) so the changes will come...maybe when that happens I'll start playing again.

The reason camelot was "hard" (which was maybe the wrong term to use) is because it was all based around the level 50, three way fight between the realms, levelling was a grind and high end PvE was relatively easy, yet more challenging Mentally than anything WoW had to offer,

The RvR was so amazing due to crowd control, the ability to incapacitate your opponent group/zerg in a variety of different ways with different effects, and the correct use of skills to escape, it was a lot more skill based, where a skillful group of players could down a "zerg" of headless chickens easily, a game where tactics were actually used and effective!

the Warhammer version of this has been dumbed down a lot, but nowhere near as bad as WoW, you can tell who all the ex warcraft players are because they strafe around you in melee, yet to figure out the avatars autoface when you attack, meaning the only person missing the occasional hit is the one running is circles!!

Ex DAoC players own on warhammer, due to the nature of the previous game

[shadow]

I only speak English chaps :S

[stokes91]

I only speak English chaps :S

Just play wow, say stfu to all the haters, and when the game doesnt give you any more enjoyment... leave.

that's what i say :P

[YoungSmoke124]

I had and acount..blood elf mage level 70, Epic equipped gear,and mount

Sold my account for 400$ on eBay

[shadow]

I had and acount..blood elf mage level 70, Epic equipped gear,and mount

Sold my account for 400$ on eBay

for real? ill play it just to sell my account lol

although due to the price you got for your account I assume it's either incredibly hard to get that high in level or takes a very very long time....

[Flechette]

i tried the 10 day trial too and hated the game. my cousin has played it for years and got me to try it out. i think the thing that puts me off the most is the level cap. so you hit max level and then just hunt for equips? and i would always go PvP. if someone pisses you off you can go kill them. :P
Rappelz is much prettier. and so far Perfect World is keeping me interested. been playing that since Sept and only spent about $3 on cash shop.

[stokes91]

i tried the 10 day trial too and hated the game. my cousin has played it for years and got me to try it out. i think the thing that puts me off the most is the level cap. so you hit max level and then just hunt for equips? and i would always go PvP. if someone pisses you off you can go kill them. :P
Rappelz is much prettier. and so far Perfect World is keeping me interested. been playing that since Sept and only spent about $3 on cash shop.

How is rappelz prettier than WoW? the graphics in rappelz suck.
mind you, you can't base your opinion of WoW's graphics on the starting zones. in outland/northrend the graphics/view distances/terrain design are much much better

but ya perfect world is a pretty cool game, i just found the questing/leveling boring as hell

[shadow]

wow, you play too many games :P

[Dymond]

Yeah you gotta love those 'free' MMOs where you have to buy your shit for real money.. No thanks. the koreans can keep their free games..

[stokes91]

wow, you play too many games :P

Me? ya i have played a ton of "free-to-play" mmo's.
but the only two mmo's i've ever stayed with for a long(er) period of time is Corum Online(where I met Flechette) and WoW

there are a lot of great "F2P" games out there, but like dymond said, they often require a lot of money to excel in any way.

[Dymond]

I actually found Dopewars from MMORPG.com. My kids have downloaded a few free games and have gotten bored with them pretty easily. I can't say WoW blew my skirt up either though. I have tried quite a few paid MMOs; Everquest, Warhammer, Asheron's Call, Lord of the Rings Online and the only one I've continued playing is Dungeon and Dragons Online for a few reasons. I am an old school PnP player and its DnD, the quests are really quests, not bring me back 30 pelts bullcrap and it tends to have a much more mature player base than other games.

[stokes91]

another thing i like about wow is the massive server wide events it can have
check this one out Gates of Ahn'Qiraj - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft (http://www.wowwiki.com/Gates_of_Ahn'Qiraj)

now im going to stop before i start sounding like a fanboy ><

[Flechette]

Corum=fail
WoW=i hated the way the characters looked. i would probably like it a lot better if i was out of the free trial and could have gotten awesome hand me downs from my cousin. but i can't see paying what $80 for the game and then $15 a month.
Rappelz=i think i only leveled to like 3x but it had some pretty grass and trees :$ and mobs with hilarious names. Furry Hairy Eye and other funny ones i can't remember.

Perfect World is my fav so far. although the pk server is pretty rough. which is exactly why i choose it. the high drama keeps me laughing. my husband and i had Ventrillo on and we laughed for about 2 hours listening to these people argue and what not.
Dy if you want to try PW let me know. for you i would drop everything to show you around (f) my kids play it but they can't read all the bad words. so not sure if you would want your kids on there. they do have a word filter but i still get .."mommy what does btch spell?" :O!!!

[stokes91]

Corum=fail
WoW=i hated the way the characters looked. i would probably like it a lot better if i was out of the free trial and could have gotten awesome hand me downs from my cousin. but i can't see paying what $80 for the game and then $15 a month.
Rappelz=i think i only leveled to like 3x but it had some pretty grass and trees :$ and mobs with hilarious names. Furry Hairy Eye and other funny ones i can't remember.

Perfect World is my fav so far. although the pk server is pretty rough. which is exactly why i choose it. the high drama keeps me laughing. my husband and i had Ventrillo on and we laughed for about 2 hours listening to these people argue and what not.
Dy if you want to try PW let me know. for you i would drop everything to show you around (f) my kids play it but they can't read all the bad words. so not sure if you would want your kids on there. they do have a word filter but i still get .."mommy what does btch spell?" :O!!!

only good thing about about corum is the fact that i got to meet a certain guild there :foryou:

[Dymond]

Thanx for the offer Beli.. I've got alot of time tied up in DDO right now and if I picked up another MMO my wife would kill me.

In fact I want to test something..

http://ddosigs.level3.turbine.com/0421100000002b2a4/010040200003001/signature.png

hmm.. these sigs are in beta right now.. only one they show is my pally from an RP group I am in..

[stokes91]

Thanx for the offer Beli.. I've got alot of time tied up in DDO right now and if I picked up another MMO my wife would kill me.

In fact I want to test something..

http://ddosigs.level3.turbine.com/0421100000002b2a4/010040200003001/signature.png

hmm.. these sigs are in beta right now.. only one they show is my pally from an RP group I am in..

what does the 1 and 12 mean in the sig? level?

[Dymond]

It means I have one level of fighter and 12 levels of Paladin. Just so you know the levels in DDO aren't the same as WoW. The current level cap in DDO is currently 16.

[WorldCrisis]

World of Warcrack is the greatest. The Arena is competitive, there are numerous challenges for PvE such as 3 drake Sarth, 5 Minute Malygos, etc. I'm glad the rep grinds are much easier now as well, in vanilla WoW they were unbearable.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8363/xmaseb1.jpg

Merry Christmas, lewl!

[Asshole]

im sorry WC but your above post makes it look like its the only MMO you ever played, i have played several and would rank worldcraft as possibly the second worst i have played with RFO (rising force online?) being the worst and lineage 2 being the third in the bottoms 3, my top 3 would definatley be,

1: DAoC (Dark age of camelot, now dead)
2: Warhammer age of reckoning (camelots heir, made by the same company-ish)
3: Lord of the rings online

warcrap does not even come close to the above 3, i would place city of heroes and DDo above it too along with a few others

[Colonel Sanders]

WOW man if you would say Lord of the Rings on-line is in your top 3 then I honestly don't know what to say and would be very curious why you think it's good.

I've played it as well as a few RL friends and it was/is HORRIBLE. I enjoy Warhammer much more than I ever could LoTR.

I have never played DAoC though.

[stokes91]

im sorry WC but your above post makes it look like its the only MMO you ever played, i have played several and would rank worldcraft as possibly the second worst i have played with RFO (rising force online?) being the worst and lineage 2 being the third in the bottoms 3, my top 3 would definatley be,

1: DAoC (Dark age of camelot, now dead)
2: Warhammer age of reckoning (camelots heir, made by the same company-ish)
3: Lord of the rings online

warcrap does not even come close to the above 3, i would place city of heroes and DDo above it too along with a few others

lol lord of the rings online?
warhammer is a good game, but LotRO? :haha:

I've never played DAoC but i've heard only good things about it, why was it so good? pvp?

[Dymond]

Hey I'm a fan of Turbine and even I gotta say LoTRO blows.. I never made it past beta I was soo bored.

[Asshole]

it depends when you all played it, early release sucked nuts, but the game has really changed, i was on it from the time DAoC truly died, to the time that war started, it was balls at first but gradually improved, the PvP was no where near great but slightly more preferable to the WoW PvP which is big for me

Now DAoC was a truly amazing game, every little aspect from character creation to maxing out your level, master levels, champion levels, and realm rank was a blast, (not that i ever maxed RR on a character) with Camelot it was not "PvP" it was something called "rvr" pvp means player vs player, regardless of allegiance, with Camelot the first choice you had to make was which of three realms to play as, In rvr you would fight the other realms, rather than just anyone,

Camelot was an insane game, after choosing your realm you have 4 race choices, certain classes are unavailable for each race, and due to stats, certain races were a stupid choice as a given class, after race you choose your class, but instead of just choosing you career straight away you had 5 levels first in a base class after which you would have to choose an actual class, when leveling up in daoc, you did not gain abilities at given levels, every level you gained a certain amount of spec points, to put into specialization lines and unlock abilities, meaning there was a lot of different specs about, instead of cookie cutter classes like you get in WoW/Warhammer, your spec could be tailored to your play style, an ice specced wizard was completely different to and earth or fire specced wiz for instance, but speccing stupidly would gimp your character (although you could respec at a cost.. a large cost lol) so it took brains and thought just to specialize your character in its class...

Leveling unfortunately was a huge grind, but its why there was such a close knit community, leveling was always faster in a group, not soloing on quests one after another, and i have truly epic memories of farming some of the lower level dungeons,

they also had lower level zones for the realms to fight over, which meant at 20-24 you could get your first taste of rvr, which was the biggest gem of daoc,

before the second expansion after 50, all you had to do was get your awesome high end Armour and take to the battlefields, where there was not nearly as much zerging as in wow or warhammer, as it was ineffective, due to actual crowd control an 8 man squad could wipe out a 30 man zerg if played smart, (mezzes, stops you from doing anything till you take damage, 9 second aoe stun meant you could do nothing during the timer, and generic roots/snares too) killing people leveled your realm rank, giving you realm points to spend on special abilities (taken to warhammer online as renown rank/renown points) which also took some brains to spend right to maximize your character..

everything about daoc ruled, because it was not a game the idiots could take too easily, which may also have been its downfall, if mythic can do anything right its RvR, but in warhammer its off because they took out proper crowd control to appeal to the WoW idiots, the reason i bash wow so much is because, since it came out every other game has had to be made into easy mode too, and there is nothing worse than dieing to an idiot, at least on camelot if you died it was either luck or a skilled player/team, not one cookie cutter generically beating another

I could never truly explain why Camelot was so epic, i lived that game for 8 years from its birth to its death, and its undoubtedly the best MMO i have ever played, by a long shot.

but warhammer is the closest i can get to it for now, unless they bring out the origins server to take the game back to before a patch that ruined the game!, which is actually in the pipeline!

[stokes91]

leveling was always faster in a group, not soloing on quests one after another, and i have truly epic memories of farming some of the lower level dungeons,

see that is what mmo's are all about. in wow i can solo any quest, even group quests that require 3 people(in northrend i've come across 5 quests i had to group for. 5. i've completed probably 300)

but now we have nothing but idiots that cant understand why they cant solo anything, and so the companies(that have to follow what the masses want in order to make money) make things easier and easier. last night i was talking to a guy in my guild who was complaining that it was way to hard to level in wow. after listening to this for like 15 minutes i snapped and told him that wow had the easiest leveling system in any mmo i've come across. his response? make it even easier.

*sigh* well, whatever. not much we can do about it i guess. I still play wow since i have fun, and i have some great friends in it. that's what counts to me.

[WorldCrisis]

WoW is the first MMO I have played regularly, but it has nearly 12 million subscribers for a reason. It's good. It may not appeal to every MMO player, but I know numerous people who went to Conan or Warhammer only to return in a matter of weeks regretting ever leaving in the first place.

[Asshole]

the reason it has in total over its lifespan (not active at any one time) 12million subscribers is because

1) it had all the fans of the warcraft series of RTS already interested
2) every new MMo that comes out, the usual players always buy the box and use first month as a tester, thats why every mmo that comes out nowadays has millions of subscribers first month
3) its so very easy to play young children can do it too!!
4) as i mentioned previousley it has done well at opening the genre up to the masses,

and finally and most importantly, its the first MMO i can recall to be properly advertised on the television, even if the adverts are very misleading !!


Its not because its a great game, its awful, its because its easy it was advertised and it was a lot of peoples first, when WoW came out 3/4 of the population of daoc left to go play it and then i would say 70% who left came back, the reason being? the realisation you have a massive grind to get back to the top again!

[WorldCrisis]

It did receive a boost from the Warcraft RTS players along with those who played Diablo and SC. However it also lured the majority of EQ players away which was the MMO king at that time along with SWG, etc. When Wow began it was roughly 6 million subscribers and it has grown to nearly 12 million last month, so it's not because it's a new MMO that it's popular. Since it's release it has doubled it's amount of subscribers. Numerous MMOs received a ton of hype such as AoC and Warhammer, but they couldn't touch WoW. The only thing that is going to top WoW is Blizzard's next MMO that is under devlopment.

[Dymond]

Honestly WoW is doing something right to get that many subscribers. Right now there isn't another MMO out there that can touch its subscriber base. Personally I don't like it but it must be doing something right to keep that many people playing as long as it has.

[WorldCrisis]

Blizzard listens to it's player base. Numerous suggestions that players wanted to see were implemented and Community managers are very involved and do an excellent job compiling suggestions from players on the forums. Plenty of people quit, but plenty of them eventually return because they do a decent job of rolling out new content and challenges. The game is incredibly easy right now from a PvE aspect, but in the next 1-2 months a major content patch is being released that will introduce a new raid instance that will be challenging.

[Asshole]

Blizzard listens to it's player base. Numerous suggestions that players wanted to see were implemented and Community managers are very involved and do an excellent job compiling suggestions from players on the forums. Plenty of people quit, but plenty of them eventually return because they do a decent job of rolling out new content and challenges. The game is incredibly easy right now from a PvE aspect, but in the next 1-2 months a major content patch is being released that will introduce a new raid instance that will be challenging.

This is how all MMO's advance, get out and test the water a bit, like i said, the major reason for returning is because they cba with the grind to the top again..

As for listening to the userbase, mythic are a great example, so many people left DAoC due to the third expansion (which had all the stupidly high end PvE content) and the remaking of the RvR areas,

so now they are completley overhauling the game to take these aspects out on a new origins server, going back to the core of the game.


so while they are valid reasons for a fan base, almost all big MMO's do it, as i said before, the reason things like WoW is so popular is because of the previous fanbase associated with the title, same with Lotro, Warhammer, DDo etc etc,

Original MMOs dont come out anymore, they just make them out of existing franchises, like THQ have announced a warhammer 40k MMO. its just a way to get amazing early game sales

[Colonel Sanders]

Blizzard listens to it's player base.

No they don't.

If they did the game could be fixxed in one day. The actual time consuming part would be making it a reality in a patch.

Coming from a guy that has played it off and on since beta I can confidentally say that I could fix 90% of WoW's major issues in one day of thinking and careful consolidation, with perhaps another equally experienced individual for 3rd party guidance.

Blizzard designs their game on what they think will satisfy the casual gamer 11 year old. Not the more mature audience that wants a refined game.

Untill they can proove that they will make changes that actuaally betters the game instead of what hightens the OMGOWNAGE sensation of 11 year olds I won't ever pay for WoW again, or any MMO they put forth.

[Asshole]

I dont think the problem is so much catering to 11 year olds, Blizzard have always said its gonna be an easy game.. WAR while also very simple is still harder..

[Colonel Sanders]

I don't have a problem with an easy game. It's always been easy, that is how it's supposed to be and that is fine.

It is not however supposed to be broken beyond enjoyable, even if it is easy.

[stokes91]

worst part about wow is the pvp...it really blows

the pve is very fun though

[I Got Priors]

I like to play and find online dates. You meet some REALLY great guys on World of Warcraft. :D

[stokes91]

I like to play and find online dates. You meet some REALLY great guys on World of Warcraft. :D

haha, oh yeah great AND mature

[I Got Priors]

haha, oh yeah great AND mature


VERY mature. The last guy I cybered was a 4 star General! How lucky did I get meeting him online?

[stokes91]

VERY mature. The last guy I cybered was a 4 star General! How lucky did I get meeting him online?

I can't even remember how many celebrities i've met on wow...all on my server too!

[WorldCrisis]

I can't even remember how many celebrities i've met on wow...all on my server too!

Jonathan Davis from Korn plays and the gorgeous Mila Kunis also plays. Robin Williams was a huge fan of WC3, I bet he also plays wow, the creators of Southpark are huge WoW addicts as well.

Supposedly the actors that took part in these commercials also play.

YouTube - World of Warcraft Mr. T Commercial TV ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqJE5TH5jhc)

YouTube - Verne Troyer (Mini-me) World of Warcraft Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae6U-WAJ1mw)

YouTube - William Shatner's World of Warcraft Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ouSrpsAHf8)

YouTube - Ozzy Osbourne- World of Warcraft Commercial TV Ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ozngVpOI4)

YouTube - Steve Van Sandt (Silvio) World of Warcraft Commercial TV Ad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXeyYdGoLCU)

Check out 3:50 of this video, haha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Z0vq6MarU

[hood nation]

No they don't.

If they did the game could be fixxed in one day. The actual time consuming part would be making it a reality in a patch.

Coming from a guy that has played it off and on since beta I can confidentally say that I could fix 90% of WoW's major issues in one day of thinking and careful consolidation, with perhaps another equally experienced individual for 3rd party guidance.

Blizzard designs their game on what they think will satisfy the casual gamer 11 year old. Not the more mature audience that wants a refined game.

Untill they can proove that they will make changes that actuaally betters the game instead of what hightens the OMGOWNAGE sensation of 11 year olds I won't ever pay for WoW again, or any MMO they put forth.

If they fixed all the problems, people would get bored. They will wait for it to get fixed.