Holocaust was made up?

[Lucas]

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has told German Chancellor Angela Merkel that the Holocaust may have been invented by the victorious Allied powers in World War II to embarrass Germany, the semi-official news agency Mehr reported on Monday.

The remarks by the outspoken Ahmadinejad, who has repeatedly questioned the veracity of the Holocaust, came in a letter sent to Merkel in July whose contents have not been disclosed until now.

"Is it not a reasonable possibility that some countries that had won the war made up this excuse to constantly embarrass the defeated people ... to bar their progress," Ahmadinejad said in the letter.

"The question is if these countries, especially Britain, felt responsible for the Holocaust survivors, why they did not settle them in their own countries?" it said.

It is not the first time Ahmadinejad has voiced doubt about the mass slaughter of six million Jews under Nazi Germany, previously describing the Holocaust as a "myth" used to justify the creation of Israel.

"By promoting the necessity of settlement of Holocaust survivors in the occupied Palestine, they have created a constant threat in the Middle East," he said, referring to Israel.

Merkel on July 21 indicated that she would not formally respond to the letter, saying it contained "totally unacceptable" criticism of Israel and "constantly put in question" the Jewish state's right to exist.

Ahmadinejad blamed what he described as propaganda after World War II for making "some people feel historically guilty and indefinitely pay for the crimes of their fathers".

The letter came as it emerged Iran is to hold an international conference on the Holocaust on December 11 to 12 that will allow historians to present "hidden aspects" of the Nazi atrocities.

Media reports said the conference will touch on issues including the "reasons for anti-Semitism in Europe", "the Holocaust and Zionism", "the Holocaust in historical documents" and "Holocaust: rules and media".

Ahmadinejad in his letter also praised the German people as a nation with potential in science, art, philosophy and politics, but "who are not allowed to play their constructive role in the world".

"Undoubtedly, we, our two governments and nations, can make big steps to resolve the existing global problems ... together we can convince some powers that respecting nations' rights is in best interest of everybody," Ahmadinejad said.

The publication of the letter coincided with a visit to Berlin by Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, where she urged the international community to stop the "threat" posed by Iran's nuclear programme.

"There is an additional threat, not just for the state of Israel but for the entire international community," Livni said after talks with German counterpart Frank-Walter Steinmeier.

Germany, along with France and Britain, has been at the forefront of international diplomatic efforts to stop Iran enriching uranium amid fears the Islamic republic is planning to build nuclear weapons. -- AFP




These fucking people are crazy. i wipe my ass with thier religeon of peace.

[VikesWookie]

I think many of the German denizens would argue him that the holocaust did in fact happen. How do all the deniers account for the burned flesh smell wafting over nearby cities?
This being an issue in the world is ridiculous...

[Knuckles]

Why would the allies want to embarass germany? Why would millions of jews lie about the holocaust? This Iranian President is all about Propaganda and is constantly trying to piss of israel and the rest of the civilised world with this kind of shit. I say take the Reagan approach and just Bomb the cunt.

[RobCheadle]

Why would the allies want to embarass germany? Why would millions of jews lie about the holocaust? This Iranian President is all about Propaganda and is constantly trying to piss of israel and the rest of the civilised world with this kind of shit. I say take the Reagan approach and just Bomb the cunt.



No arguments here.

Just get the americans to send in the Isreali's. Mass land invasion. (y)

[Rex Mundi]

Yup, the Allies had a large quantity of emaciated people left over from the pilot episode of Weight Watchers Idol (never got taken up as none of them could sing) & nothing to do with them so they decided to blame their condition on the German people to scar their national psyche still further.

Then the Brits decided it'd be a jolly good wheeze just after WWII to redeploy troops in Palestine & cunningly get some of them killed ostensibly in peace keeping duties but really to disguise the fact that they wanted the Jews to carve out an Israeli nation outta Palestine.

This guy is as mad as a sackful of badgers. Dropping a nuke on his shit box dust bowl of a country would be a frigging mercy.

[Lucas]

Drop a nuke on every one of those fucking radical countries. it would be like natural selection, they are not smart enough to deserve to live.






AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!





Lucas

[peddle07]

Drop a nuke on every one of those fucking radical countries. it would be like natural selection, they are not smart enough to deserve to live.






AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!





Lucas

So kill the innocent while killing the guilty? Just because you think the whole country is radical? Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's radicals of some sort in every country, and yes, that means America.
As for your 'smart enough' comment. If i were you, I wouldnt be the one making that comment ;)

[Richard Cranium]

The only people we hear of from iran are the people that represent it to us. vice versa, the only people they hear about from america is the likes of g.w. bush, so they think we are all war mongering idiots too. This country (iran)has an agenda and the destruction of our country and Israel is on it. Does this mean that theyre leader is capable of making false and misleading statements (wmd's) to achieve theyre goals?......YES, but as we have seen, this is a common practice among world leaders with a personal agenda

[St.Michael]

I don't see how they can deny such allegations when there is so much proof. I know its wrong to say "nuke that whole region", but man I really feel the world would be much better off without them. I sincerely believe that even though not all muslims are radical terrorists, they still harbor the same feelings about infidels and given time might just join the terrorist ranks.

[Colonel Sanders]

I don't see how they can deny such allegations when there is so much proof. I know its wrong to say "nuke that whole region", but man I really feel the world would be much better off without them. I sincerely believe that even though not all muslims are radical terrorists, they still harbor the same feelings about infidels and given time might just join the terrorist ranks.

The same can be said of the Jews, christians, any religious factions. The world would be better off without any religion. Aside from that the Jews are just as much to blame for the troubles in the middle-east as the the muslim radicals.

It's an on going war between bitter enemies. Wars will end between counties but not between religions. How do you solve the troubles in the middle-east one may ask? It's simple, you cannot as long as those two religions are in the world and next to each other. It requires one decisive and complete defeat and cleansing of one faction or the other with the aid of countries. That scenario will happen, but at what degree? World War 3 type or something much more quick and direct. Time will see. But I have no reason to believe that the problems between the Jews and Muslims in the region will solve itself without a large scale war.

[St.Michael]

The same can be said of the Jews, christians, any religious factions. The world would be better off without any religion. Aside from that the Jews are just as much to blame for the troubles in the middle-east as the the muslim radicals.

It's an on going war between bitter enemies. Wars will end between counties but not between religions. How do you solve the troubles in the middle-east one may ask? It's simple, you cannot as long as those two religions are in the world and next to each other. It requires one decisive and complete defeat and cleansing of one faction or the other with the aid of countries. That scenario will happen, but at what degree? World War 3 type or something much more quick and direct. Time will see. But I have no reason to believe that the problems between the Jews and Muslims in the region will solve itself without a large scale war.



No one else in this world right now is as troublesome as the middle east, they are always looking for a fight. They hate everyone that is not muslim and if given the chance will kill everyone that is not muslim. Sure christians used to have the crusades but when they say they are about peace now, they mean it. You don't hear stories about christians flying planes into buildings do you? And jews only attack those countries that attack them first, oh and would ya look at that they are right next to a whole host of arab countries. Refresh my memory was it the jews that captured all those soldiers? Oh thats right the muslim extremists captured the jewish soldiers. The middle east is the shit on the bottom of my shoe and countries like Iran and Iraq should be wiped off the face of the earth, innocents and all.

[Jimmy James]

No one else in this world right now is as troublesome as the middle east, they are always looking for a fight. They hate everyone that is not muslim and if given the chance will kill everyone that is not muslim. Sure christians used to have the crusades but when they say they are about peace now, they mean it. You don't hear stories about christians flying planes into buildings do you? And jews only attack those countries that attack them first, oh and would ya look at that they are right next to a whole host of arab countries. Refresh my memory was it the jews that captured all those soldiers? Oh thats right the muslim extremists captured the jewish soldiers. The middle east is the shit on the bottom of my shoe and countries like Iran and Iraq should be wiped off the face of the earth, innocents and all.

so if muslim extremists are wrong for wanting to kill all the christians (which they don't, but...), and you want to kill all the muslims, what makes you any better then them?

[Colonel Sanders]

so if muslim extremists are wrong for wanting to kill all the christians (which they don't, but...), and you want to kill all the muslims, what makes you any better then them?

I think you proved my point, we are not better than them. No religion is. And any person, including any christian going americans that make decisions based on religion are no better than terrorists that use their religion to enforce thier beliefs. They may do it through violence, imo the west does it through much more sinical means. Directly or not

[St.Michael]

so if muslim extremists are wrong for wanting to kill all the christians (which they don't, but...), and you want to kill all the muslims, what makes you any better then them?


I'm not any better than them and I'm not saying that because of my religious beliefs. I'm saying that because I just plain don't like them.

Their lookin for a fight and if I could I'd go back there and kill more of them bitches.

[Mark]

No one else in this world right now is as troublesome as the middle east, they are always looking for a fight. They hate everyone that is not muslim and if given the chance will kill everyone that is not muslim. Sure christians used to have the crusades but when they say they are about peace now, they mean it. You don't hear stories about christians flying planes into buildings do you? And jews only attack those countries that attack them first, oh and would ya look at that they are right next to a whole host of arab countries. Refresh my memory was it the jews that captured all those soldiers? Oh thats right the muslim extremists captured the jewish soldiers. The middle east is the shit on the bottom of my shoe and countries like Iran and Iraq should be wiped off the face of the earth, innocents and all.


no christians seem to prefer killing doctors and fire bombing clinics.

[The Inebriated Genius]

I'm not any better than them and I'm not saying that because of my religious beliefs. I'm saying that because I just plain don't like them.


What's the differance?

You and your like minded compatriots are an example of western Radical Zealotry. Just as your middle Eastern Counterparts are are considered radicals

Right now there is someone in Iran typing on a forum telling people he wants to kill all all westerners, not because they aren't muslim, but because they are "looking for a fight"

The only differance between you two is a geographical coordinate.



And for those of you think "they took the first shot" I'll explain something...

The first strike was made thousands of years ago. Before the crusades, before the salting of Carthage, before Alexander the Greats campaign of "liberation", before the Persians invaded Greece.

I also have another question..

Does wanting to kill every Muslim included American Allies like Saudi Arabia?

[St.Michael]

What's the differance?

You and your like minded compatriots are an example of western Radical Zealotry. Just as your middle Eastern Counterparts are are considered radicals

Right now there is someone in Iran typing on a forum telling people he wants to kill all all westerners, not because they aren't muslim, but because they are "looking for a fight"

The only differance between you two is a geographical coordinate.



And for those of you think "they took the first shot" I'll explain something...

The first strike was made thousands of years ago. Before the crusades, before the salting of Carthage, before Alexander the Greats campaign of "liberation", before the Persians invaded Greece.

I also have another question..

Does wanting to kill every Muslim included American Allies like Saudi Arabia?


The reason they are looking for a fight and the reason I am looking for a fight are two completely different reasons. I'm looking for a fight because they bombed the twin towers killing thousands of people, and then continually committing terrorist attacks around the world. They are looking for a fight because...well...their bible told them its ok to kill infidels. I mean we're not really people anyway right? They get to kill innocent people and when they die they go to their heaven to spend eternity with virgins...sounds nice eh?

[The Inebriated Genius]

The reason they are looking for a fight and the reason I am looking for a fight are two completely different reasons. I'm looking for a fight because they bombed the twin towers killing thousands of people, and then continually committing terrorist attacks around the world. They are looking for a fight because...well...their bible told them its ok to kill infidels. I mean we're not really people anyway right? They get to kill innocent people and when they die they go to their heaven to spend eternity with virgins...sounds nice eh?

Don't be afraid to form your own thoughts.

...or you can continue to spout off what you've heard at the pub

[St.Michael]

Don't be afraid to form your own thoughts.

...or you can continue to spout off what you've heard at the pub

I don't go to the "pub"

Speaking generally I don't like how they operate. They kill people and it means nothing to them, look how many people have died over the years from terrorist attacks? And if they had their way they would kill us all...how can you deny that? The bombings in spain, the twin towers, and the recent attack in london...they don't care. If your not a muslim then your an infidel, and if you an infidel then according to them you deserve to die.

Not all terrorists are Arab. But if you look at the profiles from the attacks a good majority are, thats why I was using them as an example. I'm also smart enough to know that not all Arabs are terrorists and i'm sure a great deal of them are smart, educated people who only wanna do good. But how do you know whose who? I know they couldn't in vietnam...and i know sure as hell I couldn't in iraq. For Gods sake I had 6 year old kids shooting at me...women and children were among the casualties and I promise you they weren't innocent. One minute you see innocent kids playing in the streets and the next they are pulling ak47's from underneith cars and shooting at you.

[Colonel Sanders]

I think what TIG and people are saying is that it's important not to single out an entire group of people saying they are terrorists and will shoot up all the "infidels" given the chance.

Now not all the Muslims believe this infidel speech sure; but they are living a fantasy and need to get a new religion. You wouldn't believe how many Muslims spout off bullshit saying the Koran preaches peace and that they don't want to murder the "infidels" if they could. I don't give a fuck what they say all you have to do is read the god damn thing and clearly it preaches violence to people who do not believe as they do, the "peaceful" ones can point out any fuckin thing they wish it doesn't change the facts. And the fact is that it is a violent religion in nature which preaches violence, and which is why the problems are blowing up in the modern world over there.

[SweetHoney]

Well, now...

To start with, may I go on the record as having said that I believe that violence/death solves nothing...period.

People suck. Everyone wants to be right. Life isn't fair.

If we allow everyone their right to "freedom", as seems only right, and good, and fair...sooner or later someone's freedom is going to encroach on someone else's freedom. At some point, people begin to want things they should NOT be allowed to have, as when it harms or otherwise infringes on another human being, their loved ones, or their possessions. Herein lies the core of the problem with war. Killing will not solve the problems created by someone crossing a line, nor will it eliminate them...it can't. In the end it only serves to magnify the issues, and compound the problems it intends to cure. It doesn't matter who started this war or that war, because the truth of the matter is, it is inherent in our nature to protect our lives, the environment that sustains us, and innocence. When our children are starving, we will steal, if necessary, to see that they survive.

Trying to place blame, or accuse anyone for the way things happen is pointless...sometimes we are just one of the dominoes in the middle of the run. The Holocaust existed. Political leaders will say anything to get people to do what they need them to do. Humans can be easily controlled with fear. The things we are afraid of are among the most powerful tools our enemies have to use against us.

I am of the belief that hell will include everyone feeling the waves from the ripples they created throughout their lives...trying to live your life acting as if this is more than a possibility, you will likely find true happiness...despite the actions of a few crusaders, infidels, and terrorists. Love, not hatred, will win in the end.

I guess what I am getting at, is that regardless of where one lives, how one is raised, or which book we call our guiding force (ie: koran/bible/tanakh etc.) we are all here to learn the same lessons...about unconditional love. If this concept is beyond your ability to comprehend, you will likely get another chance to figure it out. I, for one, hope to get it right this time around.

And then she remembers her score on the "likeliness to kill" thread. *ahem* 45% *blush* It lies.

[Colonel Sanders]

Good post Honey, I wish you were right about love though. There in lies the dilema however. Humans are naturaly sinful, some choose to act worse than others.

I wish I could say that all of us have that goal of love and hapiness. We are all born to know what is good and what is wrong but we also have the choice to make things as we choose; to ignore our emotions and compasions to further personal gain and not humanity, that is sin.

If all religions, all personal views, all cultures and ways of life, had the same end goal at the end of the day we would have peace on earth; seeing how that is not the case I can perfectly understand why. None of us deserve to live no more than the terrorists that suicide bomb civilians in the name of their god and ideals. Because we are all sinful wether our intentions in the end are "good" or not.

In WWI both sides of the conflict killed each other for nearly 5 years for no reason, it was a slaughter house that the world, until then have never witnessed. At the end it was terrifying. Regular joe men like us came home from the battlefield weeping, asking themselves why did I murder so many of my brothers? for what reasons? They could find none, none other than the inherit sinful nature of man that drove them each day to murder for something as stupid as thier country trying to prove to the others they had better guns. And that is fucking as literal as you can get for what WWI was about

WWII was the same difference. Sure you can say that the Nazi's were evil. The allies were fighting against "evil" this time, unlike WWI where there was no goal or good intentions for war. But then what happens? The German people listened to Hitler with intent. They were punished horribly by the treaty and the country was in despair. Hitler in their time of need gave them a reason to fight once again so they would not starve to death and would not be humiliated. And through his charisma told a fantastic story that 85% of the regular joe Germans ate up. People like you and me easily believing and taking up arms to fight for the countries progression, nazi party or not. Do not say that if put in the same situation in the world you would not follow a man such as Hitler, you are just fooling yourself. Anybody would during that trying time.

Now were the Nazi's evil? Sure they were. Were the Germans, regular foot soldiers? Yes they were, some killed for their country simply because they wanted to live in a better world, or were bitter at the west for the treatment of Germany. Were the alliance powers evil? Yes of course they were, all sides of conflict, in any way wether that be regular foot soldiers killing their fellow man (german regulars) or the leaders. Evil is all around in war, both sides all the time. This applies to the Jews and Muslims, United States and our dealings. Now sure I am not saying I wouldn't have shot hitler or the Death Camp Guards if I had lived and fought then. I would have killed all of them but I would not have killed my fellow man, germans. There lies the problem. killing for your countries, your ideals, religion, has no victor, no right or wrong to any side. In WWII allied command made many choices that were evil, just as bad as hitlers decisions to start his murdering of Jews. One of the more famous Allied decisions in WWII that I always like to point out what the decisions to drop the Nuclear Bombs.

That allied action was by far the most evil decision of the war. They decided to murder, not kill. Murder hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in those cities just to further thier agenda and save the lives of "Americans". Tell me where does that get right? They want to murder hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians; not to mention countless regular joe Japansese foot soldiers to trade for American lives? That logic is pure evil and anyone who dissagres is bias to their own western culture ways of thinking.

Bottom line is that no matter what cause you are fighting for, what side or how good you think your intentions are it does not matter. We are all evil and if given the right temperature can easily murder, steal and torture our fellow man. Which is why I do not give a fuck about the jews, or muslims. I don't give a fuck about the United States. Hell I don't give a shit about me. All of us are evil.

Main point is that do not try to justify your actions and religions by using "Good" and "Bad" because ALL humans, and ALL sides of the fence are evil.

[St.Michael]

Hey I want everyone to watch this video and tell me what you think. If you are American then this should send ice through your veins! This is from an employee on the 105th floor of the world trade center, he is on the phone with the operator all the way up to when the second plane hits. And he definately sees that second plane coming...


http://www.filecabi.net/video/wtctradechi.html

[The Inebriated Genius]

I don't go to the "pub"

I apologise, My last post was over the line.

The bombings in spain, the twin towers, and the recent attack in london...they don't care. If your not a muslim then your an infidel, and if you an infidel then according to them you deserve to die.

I'll say it again, 9/11 didn't start this. You should stop bringing this up.

Why haven't they bombed south America? or East Asia? two other non-muslim Cultures? Why only Europe and The US?



Not all terrorists are Arab. But if you look at the profiles from the attacks a good majority are, thats why I was using them as an example. I'm also smart enough to know that not all Arabs are terrorists and i'm sure a great deal of them are smart, educated people who only wanna do good. But how do you know whose who? I know they couldn't in vietnam...and i know sure as hell I couldn't in iraq.

you can't tell by looking at a westerner if they are A radical Racist, homophobe, or out and out Right wing Militia Freak. Should we kill all white people, just to be sure?


For Gods sake I had 6 year old kids shooting at me...women and children were among the casualties and I promise you they weren't innocent. One minute you see innocent kids playing in the streets and the next they are pulling ak47's from underneith cars and shooting at you.

Well why don't we obliterate The Conganese, and all those other African, and South American Countries that use children soldiers.



Now I am not defending the actions of what a few Middle East Zealots have done. But I think it is unacceptable to destroy what was one of the Greatest civilizations.

These people gave us almost everything we know about Math, Science, and the Arts came from Muslim Countries. Either through them actually inventing it, or from them Translating from the original Greeks works (which were destroyed by the time Europe crawled out of the gutter and learned to read and write polysylabic words)

[Rex Mundi]

Main point is that do not try to justify your actions and religions by using "Good" and "Bad" because ALL humans, and ALL sides of the fence are evil.

I'm not, I'm just misunderstood.