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demoncrat2024
31st August 2006, 12:48 AM
Appeal of account disabling by Tyler Durden

Facts:

1) Demoncrat2024 is a user of the Global Conflict game located on the sepica.com server and owned by OddThough.com.
2) Dan1986 is a user of the Global Conflict game located on the sepica.com server and owned by OddThough.com.
3) Tyler Durden is an operator and a moderator of the Global Conflict game.
4) On August 30, 2006, Tyler Durden disabled the account of Demoncrat2024 being under the impression that these accounts were duplicates operated by the same person.

Synopsis of the event that triggered this:
Demoncrat2024 and dan1986 deposited funds into each others bank accounts in the Free Markets game at Global Conflict to get above the 5,000,000,000 threshold to receive a .03 interest rate from the Government Bank of Toronto. The agreement was to keep their interest rates mirrored so that neither gained nor lost money. But could receive deposits, pay a fair interest rate, and receive .03 from the Bank of Toronto when they deposited that amount with the government bank.
This is typical banking procedure that was learned from players such as Tyler Durden who continually deposits money he receives from bankers deposits back into the depositors bank, sometimes to make money, sometimes at a loss.
In the process of playing this game, dan1986, mis-typed his interest rate to .185 instead of .0185. As a banker, Tyler Durden knows that this automatically sets the interest rate to .04 without notifying the user that they readjusted the interest rate because it was set too high. As player dan1986 suffers from dyslexia (as certified by the state of his residence), it is fair to deduce that the error was made with no malice. Dan1986 then went to bed believing that his interest rate was .0185 when unbeknownst to him it was actually sitting at .04. Tyler Durden then jumped to the conclusion that he was feeding Demoncrat2024 and then jumped to the conclusion that the two accounts belonged to the same person when neither account had a complaint issued against them.
It is mere coincidence that Tyler Durden is a competitor of Demoncrat2024 and dan1986 and was able to use his position as moderator to limit the competitiveness of his competition.


The Complainant in this matter is Johnathon Marshall Taylor, aka Demoncrat2024, hence forth referred to as Complainant.
The Defendants in this matter are OddThought.com, Global Conflict, and Tyler Durden, hence forth referred to as Defendant

Contention One:
The disabling of the account for Complainant was done in error and not in accordance with the User Agreement for Global Conflict at http://www.sepica.com/agreement.php.
A) Complainant is over the age of 13 years.
B) There is no misinformation on Complainant’s sign-up form.
C) Complainant has one and only one account. Demoncrat2024. The account Complainant is accused of having used, dan1986 belongs to Complainant’s brother, hence the use of his real information at the time he signed up in accordance with the User Agreement.
D) In playing of games there was no using of one account to boost another account. There was cooperation between Complainant and his brother to help each other at times (just as there is cooperation amongst companies and teams in each game), occasionally cooperation was easier because of proximity, but there was no usage to boost.
a. If the standard that is being set is that one player cannot assist others in this game, then a writ of discrimination will follow this petition as players who serve as donators to teams have not been banned in accordance with this interpretation.
E) There has been no complaint to Complainant’s knowledge concerning Complainant’s use of the in-game messaging system.
a. If there has, then proper civil procedure would grant a right of response to such allegations, and a stay of judgment and subsequent punishment until an independent party has heard and decided over the facts presented. Defendant has hereby been informed that to deny this is a violation of my due process rights guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution and made applicable through the Interstate Commerce Clause and the Fourteenth Amendment and made enforceable against Defendant through the North American Free Trade Agreement.
F) There has been no complaint to Complainant’s knowledge concerning Complainant’s use of the in-game messaging system concerning offensive content.
G) There is neither use of nor evidence of any automated scripts of software to improve performance in the game. Complainant’s account was operated by Complainant.
H) To Complainant’s knowledge there are no bugs located at the Sepica.com domain or within the Global Conflict game that can or could be exploited for gain. There are no indications of unethical conduct on the part of the operator of the account Demoncrat2024 that are inconsistent with agreed standards of moral conduct. Any allegation of this should be dealt with as per Contention One, Section E, Sub-section A.
I) As there are no prima facie infractions of the User Agreement by Complainant, Complainant implores you to abide by the contract established between the two parties through contract implied in conduct, evidenced through usage, and the contract implied in fact through proposal of the User Agreement by Defendant and Complainant’s acceptance of the User Agreement.
Contention Two:
The wrongful termination of the account belonging to Complainant constitutes a breach of contract.
A) A contract between the parties became implied at the point where Defendant proposed a service in exchange for acceptance of a user agreement.
B) Furthermore, the usage of Defendant’s service by a party indicates the acceptance of a good for a service and meets the requirements for a contract implied in conduct.
C) Furthermore, precedent indicates that when facts such as these arise, the courts have indicated through contracts in law that government sees the relationship between Defendant and its end users as a contractual relationship
D) The severing of this relationship unilaterally thus ends the contract without mutual agreement and constitutes a breach of contract.
E) Finally, the disclosure of the account disabling to the member of dan1986 constituted a violation of the privacy policy that constitutes a contract in fact agreement between the offering party and the accepting party.
a. This breach of contract resulted in harms that are outlined and documented below.
Contention Three:
The actions taken by Defendanthave negatively harmed Complainant.
A) There is a harm associated with reputation.
a. As the Complainant’s account has been disabled, access to the messaging system to contact Tyler Durden personally has been disabled, and the preferred appeals process indicated by the Defendant is to post to Tyler Durden on a public message board, hereby forcing the public disclosure of the Plaintiff’s account disabling
b. Secondly, the disabling of Complainant’s account was disclosed to a third party (dan1986) who possessed no legal right to knowledge of the account status of the Complainant.
c. This harm to the Complainant’s reputation has substantial implications with regard to his professional aspirations.
B) This has resulted in harm to the Plaintiff’s psychological capacity as the Plaintiff’s account disabling has placed undue mental stress on his person and deprived him of a stress reprieve that he previously had contractual access to.
C) There have been numerable procedural harms against the Complainant by the Defendant
a. Complainant was denied a hearing and a rebuttal to grievances before negative action was taken against Complainant.
b. Complainant was not notified directly about Complainant’s situation.
c. Complainant has not been granted evidence against Complainant.
d. Complainant was not given the opportunity to petition for a Stay of the decision.
e. Complainant was not evaluated by an impartial party, but instead was adjudicated against by a person with a vested interest in the Complainant’s account being removed from direct competition against him. A clear conflict of interest.
Contention Four:
This notice finds its authority through the laws of the State of Ohio, The United States, and Canada through the North American Free Trade Association, the North American Free Trade Association’s investor’s rights clause, and the precedent set in MTBE v. Californa.

~Johnathon

the squid of despair
31st August 2006, 12:56 AM
You have too much free time tosser.

Treadon
31st August 2006, 12:58 AM
Bud, don't worry, this will get sorted, and don't mind killaho, he's not brimming with love, like the rest of us

the squid of despair
31st August 2006, 12:59 AM
P.S. Wrong section

Pheonix
31st August 2006, 01:02 AM
WOW! Now thats a comeback! :O

Like Treadon said, I'm sure it'll be sorted out soon enough...

conartist
31st August 2006, 01:04 AM
wow lol thats some effort there and the prosecutions case.....

Psychostyle
31st August 2006, 01:09 AM
The only problem is he has submitted his writ to the court equivilant of a security officer, as thats what tyler is...Us judges are over here *waves*


Also, while i commend you for the legal terminology used to prepare your brief, i can obviate it with one simple cut and paste, herin:

We reserve to right to remove any account at any time based on suspicions of violation of any rules stated in this agreement.


You agreed to this. Your Account came under suspicion and was removed. you may petition for the reinstatment of your account but you cannot litigate for anything else as it all became voided the second you agreed to the user agreement. There is nothing in the Agreement that says YOU have the RIGHT to play this game or any other game on the Oddthought.com Website and thus your breach of contract allegations are also false.

conartist
31st August 2006, 01:10 AM
now ya got ya work cut out mate

Grendel
31st August 2006, 01:51 AM
Christ! I've heard of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, but...

Talk about going over the top!

demoncrat2024
31st August 2006, 01:53 AM
Deleted by demoncrat2024

the squid of despair
31st August 2006, 02:22 AM
This is still in the wrong section.

demoncrat2024
31st August 2006, 02:27 AM
If you feel this suspension was placed in error, please contact Tyler Durden on the forum.

That's all it said, and I didn't see a place to contact him or a threat for appeals.

Nazkyn
31st August 2006, 02:30 AM
You seem to have completely missed the 'Private Message' function, retard.

mrpants
31st August 2006, 02:35 AM
best thread ever!

(y) (y)

the squid of despair
31st August 2006, 02:36 AM
I have no interest in litigating, I simply want to use my account. It's more than obvious that I did not have two accounts, and I have explained that to its fullest. I would really appreciate someone telling me exactly why I was banned? I do not like to litigate, especially when there is such a simple solution as reinstating my account. Tyler has been corresponding with my brother on his account, and I'm sure that he has read my posts and statements. If he cannot tell the difference between him and I, then ya'll have an issue.

I take public reprimand and disclosure of private information to a third party after being told that "This website will never sell, share or publish any direct information about its users without prior permission of that user" as a very serious issue.

That's a big problem folks.

~Johnathon


It's assholes like you that put homeowners in jail for shooting a robber.

demoncrat2024
31st August 2006, 02:42 AM
Deleted by Demoncrat2024

Ganjadude For Prez!
31st August 2006, 02:43 AM
wow... just wow

Funkyduncan
31st August 2006, 05:04 AM
You have too much free time tosser.
Wow, for the first time EVER I agree with you.

dandaman
31st August 2006, 05:19 AM
Christ! I've heard of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, but...

Talk about going over the top!


jumping on a can of beans to open them is fun. so is making them explode

Monkeyman
31st August 2006, 06:14 AM
jumping on a can of beans to open them is fun. so is making them explode

You should try putting a can of gas over a fire, just stand back.

Tal Star
31st August 2006, 06:47 AM
You should try putting a can of gas over a fire, just stand back.




Aresel Cans work well is placed correctly, Even better if containg an flabable substance. eg. Butan lighter fuel (find a tree to hide behind)


this must rate as a top thread... but on a serious note maybe Mods should agree not to play in a round of FM when they are taking active interventions

Monkeyman
31st August 2006, 06:50 AM
What's the second quote aboot?

Favor The Impossible
31st August 2006, 07:16 AM
Really goes to show how addicted we all are to GC. Treadon ma man, gotta stop with the nicotine in FM, your getting just as bad as tim hortons!

Monkeyman
31st August 2006, 07:20 AM
Mmmm... Tim Horton's has good food.

kitty
31st August 2006, 07:21 AM
Judge Kitty bangs her gavel and says Killaho...one more outburst from you and I will hold you in contempt;)

the squid of despair
31st August 2006, 07:56 AM
Judge Kitty bangs her gavel and says Killaho...one more outburst from you and I will hold you in contempt;)

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!

soviet sephiroth
31st August 2006, 08:11 AM
Damn demoncrat, you just became my new best friend......unintentionally. However, we need to kick it sometime man. Discuss some issues I have been tossing around in my head involving corpses, woodchippers, and catfish ponds.

gavinoz
31st August 2006, 09:20 AM
americans and litigation ...what a laugh .........im sure communication would fix the problem ...

demoncrat2024
31st August 2006, 09:27 AM
probably, but Tyler has refused to communicate with me. I'd love nothing more than a mere explanation of his actions and rationale, but as of yet, I have none.

gotalot2do
31st August 2006, 09:48 AM
best thread ever!

(y) (y)

I agree.

chaoswolf
31st August 2006, 10:04 AM
wow, r u a lawyer or something, or just have too much time on ur hand now that ur drug was taken away from u?

the squid of despair
31st August 2006, 10:30 AM
Uh-oh someones bad repping me here, care to speak up?

Lestah
31st August 2006, 01:51 PM
probably, but Tyler has refused to communicate with me. I'd love nothing more than a mere explanation of his actions and rationale, but as of yet, I have none.

Tyler has had other things to deal with, thats why he isn't the only mod, others can respond. While this was well written and completely overdone, I'll say one thing. You are require to REQUEST permission to use the same computer/ip if you have family member who wants to play. This is well known and also part of your agreement. You never did this, therefore everything else in your complaint is void. The other thing is, Tyler did not disable you as a "competitor" if he hadn't done it, I would have, he just did it before I could. You were in The Humble Guyz, which you were removed from via my instructions, so yes it was a coincidence that Tyler is also a banker. Don't bring his integrity into question.

Sentineneve
31st August 2006, 03:38 PM
You need to go to a better school. Most schools teach basic writing skills such as grammar, spelling, punctuation, and getting the name of the defendant right in the first few sentences. It is "Oddthough" that your school does not seem to teach those skills.


D: Writ of discrimination? Oh really? File a "writ of discrimination" the next time you get a speeding ticket. See what the judge says.

E: Retake civil procedure. As long as Oddthought.com follows the procedure outlined in its bylaws, it is allowed to dispose of members as it wishes barring a particular pecuniary loss or other special exceptions which do not currently apply. The proper "procedure" is you may be removed upon suspicion. There is no procedure for reinstatement. Your due process argument fails because due process has been followed.

H. No unethical conduct? There are two accounts, presumably running from the same I.P. address. That defies "agreed" standards of moral conduct.

Contention two:
Very good. You learned offer and acceptance in contracts class. Clearly there is a problem here. The lack of consideration. That seems to be why you are jumping through the reliance/equitable estoppel/restitution etc. loophole. For now, let us ignore the complete failure of your implied contract claim. It is more academically interesting this way. Problem: The seminal case of Strong v. Sheffield indicates that a promise cannot be illusory. The "suspicion" clause is essentially a termination at will clause, i.e. an illusory promise. Now the interesting part is there no severance clause in this "contract". In other words, if the Grand Poobah of the Salt Licker association wanted you out for looking funny, you'd be out.

Contention three:
Yawn. If this was an actual pleading, I would be pointing at F.R.C.P. 11 right about now. I would also suggest you avail yourself to the safe harbor provision.

Contention four:
This is supposed to be a jurisdictional statement?

Final evaluation:
If you're trying to make yourself appear smart, you are doing a fantastic job of looking very stupid to those who are practitioners. About the only more annoying thing you could have done was use Latin in every other paragraph. I would advise against using legalese to bully people. It tends to cause people to react poorly. If I was Treadon, I would tell you to go right ahead and file your suit in Ohio. Claim it isn't for litigation all you want, you are using legal format to browbeat others. Here are the two cents you won in nominal damages:

The law is not a tool to bludgeon people into acquiescence. It is the last resort after social norms have broken down. Here is a tip: If you have ever worked in a law firm or office, you know how the attorneys gossip about the judges. What do you think the judges do in their chambers with other judges, Mr. Taylor? Every time you make similar arguments in court, a huge withdraw is made from your credit. Your credibility is the only thing you have.

A colleague of mine once said to an attorney arguing before him, "You're not smarter than the witness. Everybody knows you're not smarter than the witness. Stop proving it."

demoncrat2024
31st August 2006, 04:51 PM
Deleted by Demoncrat2024

demoncrat2024
31st August 2006, 04:58 PM
deleted by Demoncrat2024

Lestah
31st August 2006, 05:33 PM
There is most definately nothing in the user agreement that says that I am required to requrest permission to use a shared computer. If there is, please show me? If you are going to write parts of the user agreement after the fact, that is fine, just let me know that you are going to make things up as we go. Here is a convenient link http://www.sepica.com/agreement.php so that you can show me where it says this.
9. We reserve to right to remove any account at any time based on suspicions of violation of any rules stated in this agreement.

12. We reserve the right to change this agreement at anytime, you will be notified on major changes. If you are not notified, those changes may not apply to you until you agree to this agreement again.

You are correct, it doesn't say you must ask permission, but these 2 pretty much handle that. When the multi rules went into effect it was driven into the brains of everyone possible about this. Also, if you know you are using the same pc/ip, then why wouldn't you say something? Knowing that multis are banned and that we check for them? This is not a new practice, you cannot be surprised that this happened. As to making things up as we go, hrm, I wonder why we might add things or change things? Gee maybe it's called progress and keeping up to date with the world.

But then again, you aren't REQUIRED to ask permission, but when you don't, then you get banned and an explanation is requested, handling it in this manner, doesn't win points for you. Also upon checking your account now, you are connected to Johnnyboy, someone who is negative 1.8billion in FM. Is this your other brother? or did you make a multi out of spite? Way to go champ.

and then I can be punished further by having an OddThought subsidiary reveal MY PERSONAL INFORMATION to a third party.

I have no idea what you are referring to here, any personal information revealed was done by you in your post.

BodAgas
31st August 2006, 05:45 PM
Okay folks enough with the LAW jokes!! now someone sell me 1000u of smokes!!!!!.And If all cant be figured out just play another game.Both parties share invalid and valid points enough said.If theres a problem call Jerry Springer @ 1-800-56-JERRY.

Jimmy James
31st August 2006, 06:26 PM
probably, but Tyler has refused to communicate with me. I'd love nothing more than a mere explanation of his actions and rationale, but as of yet, I have none.

although I am online more often then not. I am not on 24/7 i work, and I sleep, and occasionally I go do things outside of the house, away from oddthought. the first thing I do upon coming online is check my messages because there's a pop up notification telling me I have a message. you sent a read receipt with both of them, so you know if I read them or not.

the proper way to handle any issue you have on any oddthought game or the forum is to send a message to Customer Service, the entire staff will see it, and there can be discussion of it in a private area of the forum. i know it says to contact me, but then you have to wait until I'm online, and not run to a public area of the forum and start discussing it, then complain when other people get involved.

and no, there's nothing in the user agreement that says you have to let anyone know that you and your brother are using the same computer, but there is a something about using one account to boost another. while it may have been a typo, the fact remains that you and your brother fabricated 30 billion dollars in deposits, while he was at .04% interest, and you at .01825%. so in my understanding, at cycle 1500, the most turns you could possbly have, as a premium player, and buying the maximum turns is 2150, meaning you could only have enough banks to hold 21.5 billion dollars, at a rate of .03% interest, so by reinveting with your brother, you were coming out ahead.

32 B * .01825% = $5,840,000 interest being paid out
32 B * .04% = $12,800,000 interest collected from your brother
21.5 B * .03% = $6,450,000 most amount of interest possibly collected from the government.

so instead of making $410,000/cycle, you were making $6,960,000/cycle. mind you this doesn't take into account the redepositting of money with each other, to fabricate the 32 billion dollars in the first place, or the money your brother is losing every cycle. that is clearly using one account to boost another.

BUT...
I have reenabled your account. I believe in second chances, but I will be watching you and youre brother and if there's more collusion, then you'll have go.

Nazkyn
1st September 2006, 03:55 AM
Bet you wish you had kept it private now eh!?, dumbass.