TLB Signing-Out...

[BIATCH!!!]

So. If you havent guessed already, The Legitimate Bussinessmen have finally retired. Many of you have already heard this and could either care less or are thanking god because now there is a chance to actually get gold now.

Well, for those of you who are now left wondering why we retired so out-of-the-blue, I will explain to you. TLB has accomplished most all records so far known to A-games except for (I believe) the 29-day cartel record. The other records include 28, 30, 31 day records, Triple medal record, first cartel to get gold from A1 since the new rules, and the first and only cartel to have gotten 5 consecutive gold medals.

The next thing I will talk about is that TLB didn't retire due to the change in value of a drug trafficking strategy this comming round. The desicion to retire TLB was actually confirmed before the change was even brought into discussion during the beginning/middle of the July round.

Those of you saying that TLB is not the best cartel to play A games are incorrect and those of you calling TLB cheaters are also incorrect. I will not argue with any of you because you have seen evidence of both not-cheating and not-sketchy business. It was an awesome run and will be unforgettable for both TLB members and competitors. After that, I have not much to say except for I challenge any up and comming or old timer cartel to match TLB's accomplishments and make the game interesting.

-TLB out-

[DeMoN69]

I miss TLB so much, but I want to thank the cabinet leaders so much, you guys made me such a better player, and I want to thank AD a lot for helping me along with everything else I did with him. Thank you for letting me play in this awsome cartel, and I love all who are in it

[Buckledmac]

I miss TLB so much, but I want to thank the cabinet leaders so much, you guys made me such a better player, and I want to thank AD a lot for helping me along with everything else I did with him. Thank you for letting me play in this awsome cartel, and I love all who are in it


:|


*contacts the authorities*

[DeMoN69]

Haha, bastard :P Nah he taught me a lot of different stuff and helped me with Spreadsheets / programming

[$irius Black]

Thank you guys (members of the cabinet) for letting me play in this great cartel and having the chance to achieve all those goals with you...(y) I will missed you all and i will missed all the players that have play in this cartel... We had a lot of fun during all those rounds and i hope we will keep contact with the TLB forum and on MSN...:)

Inbetweener (for the last time) :bye2:

[A&H?]

It was an awesome run and will be unforgettable for both TLB members and competitors. After that, I have not much to say except for I challenge any up and coming or old timer cartel to match TLB's accomplishments and make the game interesting.
-TLB out-

And try and do it with only 22 players all round... Or take a gold from A1 playing as TLB out in the open, with only 22 players...

I'll shut up now, I'm done.

Thanks guys and gals, I'll miss ya.(f)

[Kloaked Spirit]

After that, I have not much to say except for I challenge any up and comming or old timer cartel to match TLB's accomplishments and make the game interesting.

Hopefully that'll never happen. If it does happen that means there's another highly broken strategy which will be used until it's fixed. That's not good for the game.

[Diogee old]

So in other words all of your best members went back to school and we will actually see you next june.

[kitty]

lol we only have 2 babies on our team:P

[Calienta]

So in other words all of your best members went back to school and we will actually see you next june.



I'm busier working during the summer than I am during the school year :(


/me laments days of old

[HellRaiser]

I gotta admit you guys ruled the "A Rounds" and obviously your accomplishments of all those Gold medals proves it. So one cannot take that away from you.

But on the other hand...

What I say next is not meant as disrespect to actual TLB players because I don't know you personally. For all I know, your all great peeps. I probably would get along with most of you real well chatting and be friends. So It's important you understand that and not take this personally. But sit back and reflect and read a few times before unleashing your anger or bashing etc...

My comments next as I am most sure is the majority of DW players thoughts as I heard from many, is about the TLB CONCEPT AND THE ATTITUDE YOU PORTRAY online as DW ELITES, while gloating with banner records and goating (egging) others on to be as great as you all. Kinda overbearing and unjustified and I'll explain why...


I find it fairly uncanny that as soon as the "Trafficking Narcotics Strat" was changed, TLB decides to disband. Granted you may have decided that beforehand but then again you knew beforehand it was being changed lol. So stating that isn't the reason, is kinda District Attorney style. If I knew the strat that 2 or 3 of my players used that ULTIMATELY was responsible for winning us medals was fixed properly, I would want to leave too lol... Because the chances of winning again would be very very difficult playing on even terrain and you all know that if you want to admit it to yourself or not.

To be fair to everyone playing this game, (and there is quite a few awesome players and cartels playing this game outside TLB), it is clear TLB would of had to work much harder to win any medals muchless sweep a round without 2 to 3 players in each cartel using that flaw in the system as a Strat to pull off those scores. To say differently or argue that point is futile. IT IS REALITY...IT WAS THE DIFFERENCE... Go do the math...

If you take into consideration all the other cartels and players competing never used (or knew how or could get away with it ) the flawed narcotic trafficking strat within their game the story ending would be so different AND YOU KNOW IT. Because essentially having 2 or 3 players in every round have that type of score was the difference between Gold to Bronze if anything at all. So when ya get down to it honestly, TLB should be thanking the 2 or 3 players every round that GAVE THEM GOLD, rather then ALL TLB players tooting their horn and flashing the propaganda logo's as DW elite lol.

It's hard for the remaining TLB players to take valid credit for abusing a computer glitched flawed program to win medals. But hey no disrespect to those that did it, if you can get away with it, more power to you, you are the ones who actually got the medals... CONGRATS!

This is not me being bitter or jealous at all, it is just truth if you really think about it. So you can't reply saying that is my crutch, just not valid. I would say winning a room is more value then a medal, but that's me... I win my my fair share of rooms every round and the others I finish top 5 round in and out. Unlike others who may critique you without any credentials or finishes to back it up. I also am not saying all the TLB players are not good, obviously you are as your finishes speak for themself. I am just saying one cannot deny the truth and reality why you won gold and sweeps round in and out. If you do, your just ignoring REALITY and truth for superficial ego...

So, now that the strat is fixed and everyone is on the same level, TLB goes bye bye.
I wouldn't be the first to challenge TLB players in good sportsmanship to come back and play on fairer current grounds where 2 or 3 players CAN'T GET SCORES LIKE THAT ANYMORE and see what happens then. Somehow knows as everyone knows, it would be a totally different ballgame and end result. But we all know that won't happen, hence, the end of TLB on a high note taking no chances of losing the rep.

So to see comments from TLB players on challenging other cartels and players to step up to the plate is FUNNY AS HELL, lol. I personally beat 98% of your players round in and out without that strat lol. If anything TLB has to prove it can win round in and out WITHOUT THAT CRUTCH. Then you all can go around tooting your horns and flashing your banner records as TRUE DW ELITE, then you can egg people on and have validity on your side, until then it's ALL HOGWASH...

Now here comes some insulting me and bashing me because the truth hurts especially when it is aimed at the fragile ego's, because they need to re-affirm their supremecy online to goat others to feel good.

Go TLB Go...

I know I speak for a majority of players in this game when I state this...
Now I'm egging you all on, out of good sportsmanship, hehehe.

Now watch how the real players and cartels that don't need a flawed trafficking program to take advantage of, as crutches to win medals, for we all will TEACH YOU HOW TO WIN GOLD FAIRLY. :)

I also suppose after I said all this I am black marked, and maybe some on your way out the door, you'll send gunners and all their friends to shoot me down in the one round I am playing in as HellRaiser... By all means if you need to do that to get back at my words here go ahead. It just proves what some will go to, to keep quality players down. :)

Rant Over! :)

[odd th0mas]

I find it fairly uncanny that as soon as the "Trafficking Narcotics Strat" was changed, TLB decides to disband. Granted you may have decided that beforehand but then again you knew beforehand it was being changed lol. So stating that isn't the reason, is kinda District Attorney style. If I knew the strat that 2 or 3 of my players used that ULTIMATELY was responsible for winning us medals was fixed properly, I would want to leave too lol... Because the chances of winning again would be very very difficult playing on even terrain and you all know that if you want to admit it to yourself or not.


timing is everything! lol!

also, coincidentally, this was professor crunk's last round too! he knew the gig was up and staged micheal jordon-esque retirement to avoid the inevitable fall back to normalcy due to rule change!




personally, i enjoyed having em around and all gunners sharing a common enemy. the problem being, tho, was by exploiting this 'glitch' they became invinsible to any gunner cartel(s).

[tca]

lol whinge, cry and bitch

fucking get over it, as a gunner and non TLB player, i hated them as much as the rest of you, minus the drug trafficking strat players, they STILL won gold, silver and bronze medals

face it, TLB are the best now and there isn't a goddamn thing anyone can do

[Diogee old]

Ive went through most of the scores and have read about many of the old cartels and have noticed that the top A game cartels got their by using some flaw to win. In a way its good that this happens it helps bring changes to the game.

With that being said I must congratulate TLB for a job well done you found a flaw took advantage to win just like plenty of the cartels before you. What upsets me is now that the flaw has been reduced your not even willing to try to win. You dont see OSM giving up because their strat became tougher to use in medal rooms. As I am sure that most players feel the same way that I do that the best cartels actualy rough it out when they lose the ability to use their best stat. By your cartel retireing just says that your afraid to lose which proves you arnt the best but afraid. Now instead of retiring why dont you recruit a few players and prove that you can still win medals.

[HellRaiser]

TCA...

Your comment on the forum I caught is classic below...

" i was just namely laughing at the idiots who rekon TLB only retired cos of the drug strat being fixed"

First of all...

No one is whining or crying, just calling it like it is.

Secondly,

I am by far NOT an idiot, just because your confused or don't agree with REALITY.

No one claimed they cheated or it was fixed. The program was flawed for trafficking and they exploited it. This isn't a secret, everyone knew about it as the admins did. How you or anyone can claim they won any medals legitimately by exploiting a computer glitch in the trafficking strat is beyond me. So it's kinda hard to say they are the best when you NEED to exploit a flawed program in order to win medals. You out of all people should understand that as a gunner. So your comments are strange...

But hey if you want to praise them and give them credit, it's your right.
Thankfully your not the majority who see's it differently and for how it really is.

Other then that, it's all good...

[tim|away]

HellRaiser, we had one guy using that strat. cartels like osm had also at least one guy running that strat.
sure, it needs to be fixed, but who do you think did the maths on all that and helped to balance the game in the first place? correct, anti-duck himself.

now let's take a look at the rounds he played his strat, which by the way was totally legit.

Round 36

1 The Legitimate Businessmen $2,460,913,439 A2
2 Divine Supremacy $2,224,350,341 A4
3 The White Cane Mafia $2,211,241,781 A3

1 iCe CoLd KiLLa $207,886,816 The Legitimate Businessmen A2

13 of the top 16 overall players came from our cartel in A2. We were 230 mil clear of the silver medallist and only 15 mil short of banjo's 31 day record. We could have dropped the top player from our cartel and still won gold with 19 players.


Round 37

1 The Legitimate Businessmen $2,152,128,208 A4
2 -=|[GaNgStA-InC]|=- $2,084,726,974 A4
3 Assassins Of Youth $2,025,884,978 A3

1 Bubble Puppy $162,572,597 The Legitimate Businessmen A4

i don't think i've ever seen a cartel getting more suicided than us that round except for round 39 A1. to be honest, i'm still surprised we won gold. give our best guy a 100m score and we still would have taken gold. by the way, i'm not even sure if he did run the trafficking strat that round.


Round 38

1 The Legitimate Businessmen $2,549,459,800 A2
2 The Legitimate Businessmen $2,347,194,059 A3
3 The Legitimate Businessmen $2,321,418,679 A4
4 Northwest Connection $2,209,942,528 A2

1 Covergirl $220,542,666 The Legitimate Businessmen A2

do i really need to comment that or do you get it?

we had two small goals that round. The first was to break banjo's 31 day record, the second was to triple medal. We didn't have any backup, we played with the same group of 22 players in each of A2, A3 and A4. Unlike other cartels we wouldn't bring in other players for the glory, we were going to do it all on our own.
It wasn't like anyone was even close to us either, we could have dropped a player in each room and still triple medalled. 43 of our 66 accounts made the top 100 overall.


Round 39

1 The Legitimate Businessmen $2,347,363,160 A1
2 The Bee Hive $2,231,489,844 A4
3 The Tru Tokers $2,221,877,837 A2

1 Professor Crunk $268,166,383 The Legitimate Businessmen A1

we didn't plan to play this round. there was no goal left, but we decided to join A1 and play out in the open with basically no backup. the goal has never been to win gold. the goal was to give you guys a fair chance to gun the fuck out of us and frankly, you did a great job. all of us would have been happy if we outscored osm who hid in there with 2 cartels.
to put things into perspective, after round 38 we didn't only have all the gunners on our asses which didn't help as we played out in the open, but also has tlb been the first cartel to ever win gold from A1 after the medal room change.

see it however you want, but it's not the trafficking strat that has affected the medals.


any further questions that need to be answered?

[tim|away]

TCA...

Your comment on the forum I caught is classic below...

" i was just namely laughing at the idiots who rekon TLB only retired cos of the drug strat being fixed"

First of all...

No one is whining or crying, just calling it like it is.

Secondly,

I am by far NOT an idiot, just because your confused or don't agree with REALITY.

No one claimed they cheated or it was fixed. The program was flawed for trafficking and they exploited it. This isn't a secret, everyone knew about it as the admins did. How you or anyone can claim they won any medals legitimately by exploiting a computer glitch in the trafficking strat is beyond me. So it's kinda hard to say they are the best when you NEED to exploit a flawed program in order to win medals. You out of all people should understand that as a gunner. So your comments are strange...

But hey if you want to praise them and give them credit, it's your right.
Thankfully your not the majority who see's it differently and for how it really is.

Other then that, it's all good...

first of all, it wasn't a flaw that has been exploited. it was an option in the game that needed to be rebalanced. Let me quote "This isn't a secret, everyone knew about it" (originally posted by HellRaiser).

firstly, it was not an unfair advantage that we had. everyone could have run that strat and a couple of people in other cartels actually did run that strat.
secondly, we didn't need the trafficking at all to win our medals. it just increased our lead to everyone else.

[steff]

HellRaiser, we had one guy using that strat. cartels like osm had also at least one guy running that strat.

How many times did an OSM player run it? Once I believe, possibly twice so bad example. :P


first of all, it wasn't a flaw that has been exploited.

How can you say it's not a flaw? Your supposed to get 3 dealer visits when infact you get 4 visits.

[Diogee old]

The thing that realy gets me is this best cartel ever sigs.

Daqqers, Red's Warriors, OSM, The Syndicate, Army Of Sin
all have more medals then TLB

You guys have had a great run but as for greatest. Just cuz you put up records dosnt make your cartel the greatest rules have changed rules will change again and their will be a new great cartel but as for greatest cartel ever its tough to say.

personaly if your gonna go by greatest ever lets do it right

Red's Warriors 24 medals (but I dont think the scores page has them all, last B isnt there and I beilive they had 4 in C)

Daqqers1 20 medals (again not sure if they have all thiers displayed)

Army of Sin 15 medals (again not sure if they have all thiers displayed)

Mashed Bitches 12 (although all from C which makes it a little tougher to count as a great just great at C)

Old School Mafia 10 (all from A so again tough to say but Great at A)

so for TLB to be calling yourself the greatest is just BS

[tca]

Daqqers are far better then reds warriors ;)

don't be fooled by medals :D

[Diogee old]

Daqqers are far better then reds warriors ;)

don't be fooled by medals :D

Well seems to be a matter of opinion

they both have shown to be great!

[tim|away]

HellRaiser, we had one guy using that strat. cartels like osm had also at least one guy running that strat.
How many times did an OSM player run it? Once I believe, possibly twice so bad example. :P

the example wasn't bad at all. if i recall correctly osm had 2 cartels hidden like pussies in a1, they also had a trafficker and won 0 medals - zero.
i guess that tells you it's not the trafficking that makes the difference.

first of all, it wasn't a flaw that has been exploited.
How can you say it's not a flaw? Your supposed to get 3 dealer visits when infact you get 4 visits.

i was referring to the 384,000 limit which needed to be altered not the dealer visits.

[tca]

Well seems to be a matter of opinion

they both have shown to be great!

Im not taking anything away from Reds Warriors, don't get me wrong in the time i played for them etc they were a very organised outfit. Not to mention they still scraped together a medal under intense gun fucking from us.

Don't forget though, Daqqers got a great deal of their medals in the olden days when there was alot of medal rooms, therefore alot of other cartels that could of easily pulled medals, Reds Warriors basically have those 2 rooms gun fucked and we're working on gun fucking the other 2.

Least then it'll be fair. ;)

[steff]

the example wasn't bad at all. if i recall correctly osm had 2 cartels hidden like pussies in a1, they also had a trafficker and won 0 medals - zero.
i guess that tells you it's not the trafficking that makes the difference.

You could hardly call it "hidden", we just never played under the name Old School Mafia but ask anyone in gunners for hire, they had us ear marked within a few days.


i was referring to the 384,000 limit which needed to be altered not the dealer visits.

But without the dealer visits the strategy wouldn't be anywhere near as good. Remove the 4th dealer visit bug now and you wouldn't even make the top 50 people with it.

[tim|away]

the example wasn't bad at all. if i recall correctly osm had 2 cartels hidden like pussies in a1, they also had a trafficker and won 0 medals - zero.
i guess that tells you it's not the trafficking that makes the difference.
You could hardly call it "hidden", we just never played under the name Old School Mafia but ask anyone in gunners for hire, they had us ear marked within a few days.

so you're saying you wanted to hide but did a lousy job? mate, don't bash OSM. it's basically a great cartel.

The thing that realy gets me is this best cartel ever sigs.

...

so for TLB to be calling yourself the greatest is just BS

what is the definition of the best cartel ever?
i think it's an individual thing that everyone has to find out on his or her own. you can say it's the medals in total someone won, the gold medals, the records, the overall performance, and so on ...
what it comes down to is that a cartel that hasn't won a single medal can be the best cartel for you as you identify yourself with the philosophy of the team.

[DnD]

You could hardly call it "hidden", we just never played under the name Old School Mafia but ask anyone in gunners for hire, they had us ear marked within a few days.

its true :)

[steff]

so you're saying you wanted to hide but did a lousy job? mate, don't bash OSM. it's basically a great cartel.

Don't try reading between the lines, your not very good at it. We used a themed cartel name. Like gunner cartels usually do. Just to add an element of fun into it.

[Diogee old]

what is the definition of the best cartel ever?
i think it's an individual thing that everyone has to find out on his or her own. you can say it's the medals in total someone won, the gold medals, the records, the overall performance, and so on ...
what it comes down to is that a cartel that hasn't won a single medal can be the best cartel for you as you identify yourself with the philosophy of the team.


Feed it off anyway you want.

[TJ60]

They may have more medals than TLB, but lets compare # of rounds they've played. Besides I would take any tlb member in my cartel any day. There was never in fighting amongst ourselves, no jealousy, and everyone played as a team. Thats what makes it the best cartel in my opinion, and i've played for reds, and i PLAY for OSM. The other thing about the cartel that made an difference to me was the fact they never Mass Recruited. After winning the gold, they could have boat loads of people join. Instead they left it with the original players that started in the cartel.

[tim|away]

Don't try reading between the lines, your not very good at it. We used a themed cartel name. Like gunner cartels usually do. Just to add an element of fun into it.


round 37

1 2screwsloose $111,148,402 Old School Mafia
3 Tears of a clown $109,049,402 Old School Mafia
4 you smell like wee $107,449,331 Old School Mafia
5 sloober knocker $107,191,796 Old School Mafia
6 Come Over Here And Snog Me $105,607,013 Old School Mafia
9 Elizabeth $104,309,970 Old School Mafia
12 Too Slow $104,220,119 Old School Mafia
45 Sunshine $98,680,189 Old School Mafia
51 Schmiike $97,842,827 Old School Mafia
60 whatever $96,176,435 Old School Mafia
66 Vesilis $94,701,398 Old School Mafia
89 I love Hairy Chests $90,799,769 Old School Mafia
90 Demandred $90,751,724 Old School Mafia
92 Mr Nice $89,969,773 Old School Mafia
104 Leviathon $88,329,289 Old School Mafia
148 jimmy $75,657,672 Old School Mafia

round 38

1 Shai-Tan $126,360,965 Old School Mafia
3 Garnet & Gold $113,080,031 Old School Mafia
4 Ean $112,568,481 Old School Mafia
6 Domination $111,608,482 Old School Mafia
7 SLVR $111,597,647 Old School Mafia
13 half past 12 $110,519,422 Old School Mafia
16 SexyBeast® $110,152,635 Old School Mafia
41 breathless $107,401,687 Old School Mafia
43 White Heat $106,813,919 Old School Mafia
53 Mr Miyagi $105,093,107 Old School Mafia
54 give it away now $104,891,490 Old School Mafia
55 Whiskey Tango Foxtrot $104,538,729 Old School Mafia
56 Mustang GT-R $104,536,028 Old School Mafia
68 dogs in the moonlight $102,060,877 Old School Mafia
73 Elderado Red $100,810,629 Old School Mafia
129 Bigus Dickus $79,738,593 Old School Mafia
142 attention whore $74,452,879 Old School Mafia
196 fresh $51,281,271 Old School Mafia
199 select $50,413,500 Old School Mafia


round 39

4 Secret Files $124,761,038 Old School Mafis
5 MagicMan $121,451,425 Old School Mafis
12 Swivel Chair $115,957,001 Old School Mafis
13 Tea Bitch $115,343,844 Old School Mafis
14 sign up sheet $114,840,776 Old School Mafis
18 watercooler $112,524,686 Old School Mafis
19 Trouser snake $112,482,817 Old School Mafis
20 Shabby Chic $112,307,933 Old School Mafis
31 sporty4 $110,146,134 Old School Mafis
52 allsorts $107,188,776 Old School Mafis
93 Common carp $98,976,442 Old School Mafis
101 Charlie Portman $97,756,560 Old School Mafis
102 ehone $97,448,106 Old School Mafis
153 Hot Jonkanoo Shrimp $82,274,897 Old School Mafis
169 Ki Ki $74,463,992 Old School Mafis
171 Death and Destruction $73,859,193 Old School Mafis
173 Paper Shredder $73,210,004 Old School Mafis
191 FuzzySockSucker $66,585,919 Old School Mafis

if i recall correctly, in round 38 the theme was thundercats. i don't see any thundercats in there. round 39 you were called initech.

the only theme i can see is the "not look like osm" theme. you've pointed out correctly that my skills to read between the lines are bad. forgive me if i'm missing something. talking about missing something, i've been missing a full mafis (Malaysian Aquatic Sciences and Fisheries Information System) cartel for quite a while.

Feed it off anyway you want.

i'm glad i don't even have to try to read between the lines to get your point. :)

[Diogee old]

well if you really want to read between the lines

|FUCK TLB|

[Kloaked Spirit]

but also has tlb been the first cartel to ever win gold from A1 after the medal room change.

No you're not. OSM pulled off gold from A1 in Round 29 which - by the scores and where everyone was at - was after the medal room change. You would be correct in stating that you have been the only cartel to do it since.

Edit: I only point this out because of the signatures that were made making this claim. I figured whomever made the signatures would want to correct that part of it.

[Diogee old]

No you're not. OSM pulled off gold in Round 29.

ohhhh burn

TLB ARE LIERS, TLB ARE LIERS, TLB ARE LIERS.... :P

[steff]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Space

Initech was the company from that or something. Most people never knew that lol but it wasn't my fault as I wasn't in the cartel. FYI, when we do properly try and hide, we hide. Our actual hidden cartel barely got hit last round.

I'm not nocturnal, 5am isn't a great time for me to stay up at. I shouldn't have been up at 5am at all actually, but I was. In staying up that late, I mis-spelt that cartel name, not really a biggie, everyones typing deteriorates when your forced to fight sleep.

[tim|away]

No you're not. OSM pulled off gold from A1 in Round 29. You would be correct in stating that you have been the only cartel to do it since.

thank you for doing the research. if there's anything else that needs to be corrected, let me know.

[Kloaked Spirit]

This is the only other thing that could be argued based on a first glance.

1 The Legitimate Businessmen $2,347,363,160 A1
2 The Bee Hive $2,231,489,844 A4
3 The Tru Tokers $2,221,877,837 A2

1 Professor Crunk $268,166,383 The Legitimate Businessmen A1

....

see it however you want, but it's not the trafficking strat that has affected the medals.

Those two statements cannot co-exist. The drug strategy had a huge help for TLB in that particular round.

[anti-duck]

This is the only other thing that could be argued based on a first glance.



Those two statements cannot co-exist. The drug strategy had a huge help for TLB in that particular round.

It also helped the other two medal winners so we were on a level playing field that round. Lontan/Drums (Not Dead) in Tru Tokers and k.allen in Bee Hive both used it to win their respective rooms.

[Diogee old]

AD should have been deleted all of those rounds

Exploitation of any bugs or unethical conduct is forbidden and can result in a complete lifetime ban from this website. Subsequent and major offences may result in legal action.

[Kloaked Spirit]

It also helped the other two medal winners so we were on a level playing field that round. Lontan/Drums (Not Dead) in Tru Tokers and k.allen in Bee Hive both used it to win their respective rooms.

Yes, but if no one could've used it you wouldn't have gone through A1 without being suicided more than you were already. After all you spent most of your round well outside the range of the typical suiciders, as illustrated in the link below:

http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=4681

Assuming that the strategy wasn't used by any cartels, would you have won gold last round anyway? It's quite possible. It's also quite possible that Beehive would've ended up winning it.

Edit: Now I'm just doing this to play DA. It's fun. I don't have anything against TLB.

[tim|away]

This is the only other thing that could be argued based on a first glance.

1 The Legitimate Businessmen $2,347,363,160 A1
2 The Bee Hive $2,231,489,844 A4
3 The Tru Tokers $2,221,877,837 A2

1 Professor Crunk $268,166,383 The Legitimate Businessmen A1

....

see it however you want, but it's not the trafficking strat that has affected the medals.

Those two statements cannot co-exist. The drug strategy had a huge help for TLB in that particular round.

they can co-exist quite well actually. the strategy itself wasn't a help at all. like michael has pointed out, all the medalling cartels had a trafficker.

it would be correct to say that the effectiveness to play this strategy compared to everyone else was a nice help.

Yes, but if no one could've used it you wouldn't have gone through A1 without being suicided more than you were already. After all you spent most of your round well outside the range of the typical suiciders, as illustrated in the link below:

http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=4681

Assuming that the strategy wasn't used by any cartels, would you have won gold last round anyway? It's quite possible. It's also quite possible that Beehive would've ended up winning it.

Edit: Now I'm just doing this to play DA. It's fun. I don't have anything against TLB.

yes sure, it's the effectiveness i was referring to not the strategy itself.

can you discuss WHAT IF and certainly say that you didn't miss to factor anything in? i can't.

[anti-duck]

Yes, but if no one could've used it you wouldn't have gone through A1 without being suicided more than you were already. After all you spent most of your round well outside the range of the typical suiciders, as illustrated in the link below:

http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=4681

Assuming that the strategy wasn't used by any cartels, would you have won gold last round anyway? It's quite possible. It's also quite possible that Beehive would've ended up winning it.

Edit: Now I'm just doing this to play DA. It's fun. I don't have anything against TLB.

You also have to remember that last round we didn't just have worth trafficers, there were gunners in multiple rooms using trafficing to get an early jump on junkie players. Without that the round would have played out completely differently. It's futile to try and remove trafficing from last rounds results, the only thing we know for sure is that when other cartels tried to beat us at our own game they fell well short.

And I know you don't have anything against us KS, I'm enjoying this, it's good to be kept on our toes :)

[KuRtZ]

Whether you agree with the strat or not, the fact is its been available to use for at least a year now i think. No one had any problems with it when other cartels were using it to boost their scores, and likely no one would have a problem with it still except anti-duck did it better than everyone else. He worked damn hard on that strat, and as far as i know he scored better in A games with it than anyone ever scored using it in B games :P

TLB won gold before we ran that strat too. Anyone in any cartel could have run that strat, or something very similar, while TLB was on top of A games, and i do recall seeing more than one person running it last round.

What it comes right down to is that TLB had no unfair advantage over any cartel that played at the time.

As far as TLB's retirement being due to the loss of the trafficking strat that's just absurd. Many of us have been playing this game a long time. I personally dont have the time for this game anymore, its run it's course and I'm tired of it. I believe there are more TLBers that feel the same way i do, and like me i'm sure they plan on taking a long break or possibly retiring as well.

Could TLB recruit more players and continue to win gold,? there's no doubt whatsoever in my mind. But TLB was not created to be run that way, and personally im glad to see that TLB won't be just another cartel that was once great but didn't know when to quit.

[steff]

FFS how many n00bs did TLB have?!?

[Diogee old]

FFS how many n00bs did TLB have?!?
22 ;)

[Ridgeback]

FFS how many n00bs did TLB have?!?

1 less than you think, coz you didn't play for them! :P

[Kloaked Spirit]

Whether you agree with the strat or not, the fact is its been available to use for at least a year now i think. No one had any problems with it when other cartels were using it to boost their scores, and likely no one would have a problem with it still except anti-duck did it better than everyone else. He worked damn hard on that strat, and as far as i know he scored better in A games with it than anyone ever scored using it in B games :P

Who ran it before then? I seriously don't know. I know there was a contest in B games where this was the theme, but that's it. Other than that, everyone was trying to milk off the mid-low worth hoarding strategy and boosted benefits for machinists during that time in A games.

Could TLB recruit more players and continue to win gold,? there's no doubt whatsoever in my mind. But TLB was not created to be run that way, and personally im glad to see that TLB won't be just another cartel that was once great but didn't know when to quit.

A lot of cartels are created and stick around because of friends/fun cartel to be around. It's usually not a case of they "didn't know when to quit." That's why they're usually in the same game round after round (they don't want to have conflicts with members in more than one cartel.) If TLB kept playing and never won another medal, it's not like people are going to all of us are going to call them a bunch of people that "didn't know when to quit."

FFS how many n00bs did TLB have?!?

Enough to fill a cartel, which beats you by default. :P

[KuRtZ]

I believe there was a contest in B games once for the best Lab strat, not trafficking, and i could be mistaken. And I believe thatguy was using it quite a while ago, but no one payed much attention to what he was actually doing, again i could be mistaken, but im pretty sure on that one.

EDIT: As far as i know a-d was the first to use it in A games, but it was used occasionally in B games.

As far as cartels being fun, you're right, most of the cartels ive played in in this game i played with for just that reason, medals really dont mean that much to me. and odds are if TLB continued playing and never won another medal no one would say they "didnt know when to quit" theyd say they are "useless without trafficking" which seems to be the general sentiment now anyway.

[Calienta]

My two cents: I'd rather play with the same group of people or not at all. ;) It's the people that make TLB, not the name.

[odd th0mas]

My two cents: I'd rather play with the same group of people or not at all. ;) It's the people that make TLB, not the name.

it wasn't the people that made TLB, it was a-d!

you girls would have been worthless to TLB if it wasn't for naz, eyes, phuckit and tim holding your hands and walking you through their strats every month! 4 them it's kind of like having 'multis ala femme'.

[Dymond]

22 ;)

and we still pwned your ass. 22 people..not 80 to 100 mixed in everybodies cartel which seemed to the SOP for wining cartels before we came around. 22 people that took every round to get better and better. Did we have as many medals as some cartels, No.. but we all knew that all that would have taken was time served.

it wasn't the people that made TLB, it was a-d!

you girls would have been worthless to TLB if it wasn't for naz, eyes, phuckit and tim holding your hands and walking you through their strats every month! 4 them it's kind of like having 'multis ala femme'.

As for you..shut the fuck up..
There is nothing worse than people talking out of their ass. You are taking your own sexist attitude about women and just making shit up because you *ahem* got beat by a girl. Own up to the fact that even when you were gunning for us you couldn't stop us from winning so your choices are to say a) I suck as a gunner and should quit or b) We were a better cartel. I'll let you pick the one that fits.


I'm sorry to chime in like this but what should have been a cool goodbye thread got hijacked by a bunch of whining sore losers. You guys come back to AD and his trafficking strat. I say so what, nobody pitched a fit about it until he perfected it. Your cries of 'Cheater Cheater' sound more like 'WHAAA..nobody who played for us is this good'. Its not the score that bothers you, its the fact that nobody else that you know could pull it off. I don't throw around the word genius often but AD is deserving of the word.

The insinuations that we quit because the trafficking strat was fixed to be more balanced is just plain bullshit. I can tell you as a mod with access to the staff section that we knew this was TLB's last round a full two weeks before fixing it was even brought up with the staff.


So the all my TLB brethren and to the founders of the cartel I say THANK YOU! It was one hell of a run and I for one was sad to see it end. I want to thank all of you guys for taking a chance on teaching an old dog new tricks!

[Buzzin]

Ok im going to reveal the truth here about TLB.

Anti Duck is a cheater
We merged every round secretly
We had 40 players
Cali gave sexual favours in return for peoples accounts
Tim|away edited TLB players scores and made them higher
If someone except Antiduck was going to win overall, they got deleted
Each of TLB leaders had 2 accounts each in the rooms we played in
Tim|away forced us to use the strategies he thought up unless he would kick us
I multi-donated each round
We thugged every other cartel who could challenge us
We only quit because with the traffiking strat we could never even think about medalling again
There was nothing 'Legitimate' about us, we used a corrupt admin to win

If you want to know anything else just ask

[KuRtZ]

it wasn't the people that made TLB, it was a-d!

you girls would have been worthless to TLB if it wasn't for naz, eyes, phuckit and tim holding your hands and walking you through their strats every month! 4 them it's kind of like having 'multis ala femme'.

if a-d was the sole reason for TLB's success then any cartel out there could have gotten together 1 or 2 guys to run a similar strat and beat us every month.

TLB never handed me a strat or walked me through one at any point, the whole argument that handing out strats to noobs wins medals is a complete joke. Almost every cartel posts some sort of strat for their members, and just cause you gave someone a good junkie strat doesnt make them a good junkie player.

its like saying wayne gretzky was a shitty hockey player cause he had better coaching than bobby orr.

face it, you chased us around for months trying to gun us down and failed, so now youre just grasping at straws trying justify the fact that you couldnt stop us.

and if it's that simple to win gold in this game im sure you could put together a cartel of your own to do it no problem :P

[Ridgeback]

it wasn't the people that made TLB, it was a-d!

you girls would have been worthless to TLB if it wasn't for naz, eyes, phuckit and tim holding your hands and walking you through their strats every month! 4 them it's kind of like having 'multis ala femme'.

NAZ!!!!! You must be joking right? He's crap (a)

[Buckledmac]

it wasn't the people that made TLB, it was a-d!

you girls would have been worthless to TLB if it wasn't for naz, eyes, phuckit and tim holding your hands and walking you through their strats every month! 4 them it's kind of like having 'multis ala femme'.


damn i never laughed so hard LOL

naz walk us through a strat? baahahaha he couldnt walk you to school

and phuquit was MIA for well over 6mths too

[odd th0mas]

if a-d was the sole reason for TLB's success then any cartel out there could have gotten together 1 or 2 guys to run a similar strat and beat us every month.

TLB never handed me a strat or walked me through one at any point, the whole argument that handing out strats to noobs wins medals is a complete joke. Almost every cartel posts some sort of strat for their members, and just cause you gave someone a good junkie strat doesnt make them a good junkie player.

its like saying wayne gretzky was a shitty hockey player cause he had better coaching than bobby orr.

face it, you chased us around for months trying to gun us down and failed, so now youre just grasping at straws trying justify the fact that you couldnt stop us.

and if it's that simple to win gold in this game im sure you could put together a cartel of your own to do it no problem :P

i enjoyed gunning you all, and your right, i didn't have much success! you guys were too powerful to be brought down by a gunner cartel! Alot of it was skill...alot was glitchin...an alot of it was using your girls accounts as your own!

I know damn well that eyes played a certain girls tokens everynight when he logged in, cause he pmed me from that account! the account i speak of parralleled his own strat until last few days of the round! I documented this progression of their accounts well in the gunner cartel i was in. now, i have no proof that naz did it for his girl, but their accounts seemed to parrallel too! It's a cool trick to get a girl that'll let you manipulate her account as your own!

[Dymond]

Dude...Cali was a hell of a player long before a) she met Naz or b) he started playing for us.

*Hands Odd Thomas a drawing board to go back to*

[odd th0mas]

Dude...Cali was a hell of a player long before a) she met Naz or b) he started playing for us.

*Hands Odd Thomas a drawing board to go back to*

i have an alter-ego that places in top-10 nearly every round, and it has only been since TLB's era that i've seen cali place in top 10 aswell!

wat gives?

[Calienta]

i have an alter-ego that places in top-10 nearly every round, and it has only been since TLB's era that i've seen cali place in top 10 aswell!

wat gives?


PMSL!!! That's because I showed up December 28th 2005 :) My first day on the forum Phuquit pm'ed me and asked me to join TLB... And THAT'S why ;)

[steff]

and we still pwned your ass. 22 people..not 80 to 100 mixed in everybodies cartel which seemed to the SOP for wining cartels before we came around.

Name one gold medalist that had 80-100 people pre-TLB.

I'm sorry to chime in like this but what should have been a cool goodbye thread got hijacked by a bunch of whining sore losers.

You are taking the piss, right? It was just another thread of sheer arrogance/attention seeking from your lot lol

[odd th0mas]

PMSL!!! That's because I showed up December 28th 2005 :) My first day on the forum Phuquit pm'ed me and asked me to join TLB... And THAT'S why ;)

you know damn well that them i speak of guided you to them scores!

[Calienta]

Well of course... They taught me that when my worth goes up, I need more credits to keep at 175% ... and... they taught me that machines and junkies don't mix... and... to keep stamina at 200%... :) ooohh shit I've just given it away :| Now you're all gonna score top ten :(

[Nazkyn]

I was only in TLB for 3 rounds lol... that's your whole argument down the drain Mr Thomas.

[odd th0mas]

Well of course... They taught me that when my worth goes up, I need more credits to keep at 175% ... and... they taught me that machines and junkies don't mix... and... to keep stamina at 200%... :) ooohh shit I've just given it away :| Now you're all gonna score top ten :(

thank you!


except by 'showing you', i think you mean dictating it to you at worst...doing it for you at best! i'd love if pstyle would come forward and say how many times naz logged into your account, same for eyes and his woman....i'm curious!!!

[Nazkyn]

I actually agree with alot of what people are saying but you... are talking shit.

[Calienta]

Why is it so hard to believe I could actually pick up a concept on my own and do it well? Maybe you think I'm an airhead or a bimbo who doesn't know right from left but I do understand the game and I know how to play well.


EDIT: the last time Naz babysat my account he bought me 100 tokens worth of pimp creds in my machine game (a)

[Dymond]

Dude.. Seriously shut up..Is it bothering you that much that a woman can play this game?? I mean you keep assuming Naz helped Cali but I'll be honest and no offense to Naz, but Cali was the better player. I mean would you be happier if Cali was posting naked pictures or bringing her man a beer while he played Dopewars?? Are you insinuating the same thing about Maija and Deadcert?


And yes Steff...we are arrogant because we accomplished what alot of other cartels could never do..Bitch all you want it doesn't change the result..

[Nazkyn]

Dude.. Seriously shut up..Is it bothering you that much that a woman can play this game?? I mean you keep assuming Naz helped Cali but I'll be honest and no offense to Naz, but Cali was the better player. I mean would you be happier if Cali was posting naked pictures or bringing her man a beer while he played Dopewars?? Are you insinuating the same thing about Maija and Deadcert?


And yes Steff...we are arrogant because we accomplished what alot of other cartels could never do..Bitch all you want it doesn't change the result..

And I 100% agree with that.

[odd th0mas]

Are you insinuating the same thing about Maija and Deadcert?


no, i know for certain that maia knows how to play!




[edit] im not saying the girls were idiots, but they weren't the caliber of phuckit, tim, eyes, etc.! They were guided to that level!

[kitty]

lmao I have been playing for 2 years and have always had decent scores...so if eyez was playing for this girl at all it was cuz of this girls pure laziness tyvm:O

[Calienta]

Honestly... If it upsets you that much that a girl can beat you, Steve go ahead and post a log of how many different IPs accessed my accounts. You're being unfair, Thomas, that the only people you assume can't play are girls. What about my brother who plays as J.A.M. and scores as high or higher than me each round? I"ll bet he played for me as well eh.

im not saying the girls were idiots, but they weren't the caliber of phuckit, tim, eyes, etc.! They were guided to that level!

But all the boys were :)

[Nazkyn]

Yeah, Cali is lazy too (a)

[Siphter]

Ok im going to reveal the truth here about TLB.

Anti Duck is a cheater
We merged every round secretly
We had 40 players
Cali gave sexual favours in return for peoples accounts
Tim|away edited TLB players scores and made them higher
If someone except Antiduck was going to win overall, they got deleted
Each of TLB leaders had 2 accounts each in the rooms we played in
Tim|away forced us to use the strategies he thought up unless he would kick us
I multi-donated each round
We thugged every other cartel who could challenge us
We only quit because with the traffiking strat we could never even think about medalling again
There was nothing 'Legitimate' about us, we used a corrupt admin to win

If you want to know anything else just ask

What i dont get is why everyone is sort of ignoring this guy... Is he lying or what... Cuz if this is strue a lot more things wold make perfect sense. Yes I havent been playing that long but I always looked at the records and there was a Professor Crunk always at the top... I though he donated, I never knew that there was a altering start or whatever you call it.

Dymond why do you swear does it make u feel stronger that you can you a 3 to however many lettered word. All they are doing is discussing/debating. And then comes you with you sweet swear words.... Are u like 10 why cant you just say what you think without swearing, makes sense to me. Not syaing that swearing bothers me, because by all means it doesnt. But ther eis no need for it what so ever.

[Calienta]

Cali gave sexual favours in return for peoples accounts


That's the only one that is true, Siphter.

[Siphter]

That's the only one that is true, Siphter.

I see lol

[Nazkyn]

What i dont get is why everyone is sort of ignoring this guy... Is he lying or what... Cuz if this is strue a lot more things wold make perfect sense. Yes I havent been playing that long but I always looked at the records and there was a Professor Crunk always at the top... I though he donated, I never knew that there was a altering start or whatever you call it.

Dymond why do you swear does it make u feel stronger that you can you a 3 to however many lettered word. All they are doing is discussing/debating. And then comes you with you sweet swear words.... Are u like 10 why cant you just say what you think without swearing, makes sense to me. Not syaing that swearing bothers me, because by all means it doesnt. But ther eis no need for it what so ever.

Mwahaha!!, you total fucking twat.

[Siphter]

Mwahaha!!, you total fucking twat.

Thankyou for proving my point... Go play in your sandbox now

[steff]

Nice one Naz, he's a newb, he only stated that if it were true... I'm sure theres a couple of posts that you said when you were in your younger days that were a bit silly.

Siphter most of Buzzin's post is sarcastic.

[Kloaked Spirit]

That's the only one that is true, Siphter.

Had I only known that earlier...

[Nazkyn]

There's a big difference between being a 'n00b' and being completely fucking docile.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Good Bye and good luck, I will never forget you?

:Friends:

[steff]

Oh wait, never mind, I never realized this was in AIW. Flame away. :P

Siphter don't sink to their level mate. ;)

[Calienta]

Oh wait, never mind, I never realized this was in AIW.

9 pages of Online Accusations, Insults and Whining... Where else did you think it was :P

[Kloaked Spirit]

9 pages of Online Accusations, Insults and Whining... Where else did you think it was :P

Almost anywhere else in the forum?

[DnD]

this is one of the most pissy threads ive ever read. i was gunning in a1 when tlb scored their medal. they are a very difficult cartel to gun. i managed to crack a couple of them, but not enough so kudos to tlb.

my only beef is if anti-duck used the dealer trip bug to score an extra dealer trip, that should be considered cheating, bottom line.

if its not considered cheating then the bug ought to be fixed and the # of dealer visits set to 4, but i know that is wishful thinking

anyways, congrats tlb, you bunch of arrogant twats :P

[Nazkyn]

I'm actually pretty ashamed of what TLB turned from-into. TLB started as a 'no drama' cartel... we've now gone out as a cheating, over-arrogant cartel. The medals would have spoke for themselves but no, we had to make a bunch of stupid sigs and ram our medals down everyone's throats. Reds Warriors are known to be quite arrogant but I really don't think they EVER done arrogant on quite the same scale.

[MG]

I'm actually pretty ashamed of what TLB turned from-into. TLB started as a 'no drama' cartel... we've now gone out as a cheating, over-arrogant cartel. The medals would have spoke for themselves but no, we had to make a bunch of stupid sigs and ram our medals down everyone's throats. Reds Warriors are known to be quite arrogant but I really don't think they EVER done arrogant on quite the same scale.

I've got nothing against TLB, but well said. CHEATERS!!!

[odd th0mas]

I'm actually pretty ashamed of what TLB turned from-into. TLB started as a 'no drama' cartel... we've now gone out as a cheating, over-arrogant cartel. The medals would have spoke for themselves but no, we had to make a bunch of stupid sigs and ram our medals down everyone's throats. Reds Warriors are known to be quite arrogant but I really don't think they EVER done arrogant on quite the same scale.


YOUR HONESTY AND HUMILITY LEAVES ME SPEACHLESS!

[Gringo]

One question!!!!!

If u (I mean anyone) ran an A game cartel in the last few rounds and was capable of running the Drug trafficking strat, would u not do? Of course you fucking would!

Its driving me nuts seeing everybody bitching about the strat that gained TLB's medals. So what if it did, Well done to them for playing it and using it to win medals! What makes what they did any different from any other strat? You make the most of what u know about a strat and thats what they did!

Now whether its the change to this strat that has influenced TLB's end, i dont know and i dont care, personally... ill remember them as the Cartel that medal sweeped and made DW history!

And if they want to show it off and brag about it , why not? As much as i'd like to not see any ego shit, they earned it... but what i dont wanna see is them making enemies and loosing friends..... just let it lie now! I dont know any of them i dont think personnally but you got ure fame, now go in peace and enjoy it!!!!!!

[Dymond]

What i dont get is why everyone is sort of ignoring this guy... Is he lying or what... Cuz if this is strue a lot more things wold make perfect sense. Yes I havent been playing that long but I always looked at the records and there was a Professor Crunk always at the top... I though he donated, I never knew that there was a altering start or whatever you call it.

Dymond why do you swear does it make u feel stronger that you can you a 3 to however many lettered word. All they are doing is discussing/debating. And then comes you with you sweet swear words.... Are u like 10 why cant you just say what you think without swearing, makes sense to me. Not syaing that swearing bothers me, because by all means it doesnt. But ther eis no need for it what so ever.

This really comes down to my favorite David Spade line..

'And you are????'

[Ridgeback]

I'm sure theres a couple of posts that you said when you were in your younger days that were a bit silly.

What do you mean "younger days"? He does it now! :roflmao:

[St.Michael]

What i dont get is why everyone is sort of ignoring this guy... Is he lying or what... Cuz if this is strue a lot more things wold make perfect sense. Yes I havent been playing that long but I always looked at the records and there was a Professor Crunk always at the top... I though he donated, I never knew that there was a altering start or whatever you call it.

Dymond why do you swear does it make u feel stronger that you can you a 3 to however many lettered word. All they are doing is discussing/debating. And then comes you with you sweet swear words.... Are u like 10 why cant you just say what you think without swearing, makes sense to me. Not syaing that swearing bothers me, because by all means it doesnt. But ther eis no need for it what so ever.


Dude sipter, you honestly couldn't tell that was sarcasm? Or that he would actually post the deepest darkest secrets of TLB? Maybe he would but at least contemplate it by yourself and not post it so everyone can see.

This really comes down to my favorite David Spade line..

'And you are????'


Oh forgive him your excellance! How dare he speak out against such a well known and respected figure IN A FREAKIN TEXT BASED INTERNET GAME!! He has every right to ask questions since, as he stated, he is fairly new to the game.


You jump the royal e-gangster, and win 3 bags of arrogance, 22 dildos and 1 sq. ft. of shut the hell up!

[Diogee old]

I dont know how many of you realized this but alot of those earlier posts were just made to get you angry

Some of us could actualy care less you are retiring, and some are overwhelmed with joy. Now other cartels stand a chance of medaling.

Although that whole no attention whores! I guess its a good thing your retiring cuz it seems like the whole cartel has turned into attention whores.


Also what do you expect when you put this post in the AIW area? for us to be congratulating you?

[Dymond]

Dude sipter, you honestly couldn't tell that was sarcasm? Or that he would actually post the deepest darkest secrets of TLB? Maybe he would but at least contemplate it by yourself and not post it so everyone can see.




Oh forgive him your excellance! How dare he speak out against such a well known and respected figure IN A FREAKIN TEXT BASED INTERNET GAME!! He has every right to ask questions since, as he stated, he is fairly new to the game.


You jump the royal e-gangster, and win 3 bags of arrogance, 22 dildos and 1 sq. ft. of shut the hell up!


and you are???

and your right it was meant that way... so bow down bitch LOL

jesus who is getting worked up?? Oh sorry..your not Jesus just a saint..

[St.Michael]

and you are???

and your right it was meant that way... so bow down bitch LOL

jesus who is getting worked up?? Oh sorry..your not Jesus just a saint..


Is that the best you got?

[Diogee old]

Is that the best you got?

now you may think this post was good but everyone else see this

OH SHIT I GOT NOTHING....WAIT IF I PUT "Is that the best you got?" IT WILL BUY ME SOME TIME

[St.Michael]

now you may think this post was good but everyone else see this


How'd you know?

[MG]

http://imageigloo.com/images/7610arguing.jpg

[KACK]

wow! its been a day and theres 10 pages.
great job tlb for winning the medals.

i got 2 words for all the haters
























SUCK IT

[Siphter]

and you are???

and your right it was meant that way... so bow down bitch LOL

jesus who is getting worked up?? Oh sorry..your not Jesus just a saint..

Not going to lie St. Micheal has a good point... But Dymond does it matter what I say to whom or when. Sorry I havent wasted all of my life trying to get people to notice who I am on a forum. I can say what I want when I want to whom ever I please, and you cant do anything but swear and play butt darts. By the way my name is Ben... Now u know.

[BIATCH!!!]

There are way too many people here bitching and complaining and saying things such as: "I could care less you are retireing!" or "Your all cheaters and you only won your medals because of AD!"...Well you are either stupid or are already in the mindset that TLB has cheated and doesnt deserve to be as proud as they are and for those of you who are in that mindset than anything said to you will be like talking to a broken record or a deaf person who can't read lips. Once you are in the mindset that TLB are scum, than there is no way that arguing with any of us will make you understand what we did was not cheating or hacking and undeserving of any of our accomplishments.

At this time, I would like to say that TLB are hiding all over A1-A12 right now and they could very well be hiding in YOUR cartel and plan on springing out a 22 man trafficking strategy this round and complete a 12 game domination. Look out for TLB in B games coming soon! :P

[Nazkyn]

wow! its been a day and theres 10 pages.

i got 2 words




















SUCK IT

And you are??

[Dymond]

Dude..the whole 'you have no life because your on the forum' is a pretty played out argument..considering you came back twice to post, once with lame 'butt dart' comment. As for me I do this from work, which means I'm getting paid while I'm here. Now I also challenge you read my posts anywhere else in the forum and look how much of a potty mouth I am and once again you'll find don't know me well enough to form an opinion. Why did I drop an 'F' bomb? Thomas insulted female players in my cartel and it ticked me off and I told him pretty appropriately I might add, what I thought about it. Now I don't mean to diss you or St. Micheal but honestly you really haven't played long enough to have much of an opinion on this. I know your trying to fit in by hopping on the 'anti-TLB' bandwagon but unless you can speak with some authority on the subject, one way or the other your better off keeping your ignorance a secret instead of opening your mouth and proving it.

Now I wish you guys both luck in Dopewars. Its a great game and I hope that one day you can find a cartel that works hard and medals. One that teaches you how to play the game and not just follow a cookie cutter strat that they hand you. One that is full of players that you know are gonna play everyday and push you to be a better player. then when another noobie gets on the forum and insults them you'll know why I am here posting today.

[odd th0mas]

At this time, I would like to say that TLB are hiding all over A1-A12 right now and they could very well be hiding in YOUR cartel and plan on springing out a 22 man trafficking strategy this round and complete a 12 game domination. Look out for TLB in B games coming soon! :P

SAy what SA(Banjo poser)?


the best part of retiring is...





...COMING OUT OF RETIREMENT!




lmao!



we see you soon! :bye2:

[KACK]

naz im not hatin on tlb. i love u guys and gals. (bastards not letting me join)
naz i dont hate tlb. i love them. i wish i had been a tlb member but i suck so i couldnt

[MG]

I'm rooting for the n00bs :)

[odd th0mas]

Why did I drop an 'F' bomb? Thomas insulted female players in my cartel and it ticked me off and I told him pretty appropriately I might add

LOL!

the boy put the fear of god into me!


hopefully they will reward you dearly for your bravery! ;)

[conartist]

ultimatly u lot had a mint group of friends/ cartel that could be admired n trashed in a breath ..u got gold, silver and bronze in 1 pop ,in my opinion that is some shit hot achievement so well done .....n dont come back muhahah ;) just messin whatever shit i just read over 11 pages wd u jammy sods

[Siphter]

Dude..the whole 'you have no life because your on the forum' is a pretty played out argument..considering you came back twice to post, once with lame 'butt dart' comment. As for me I do this from work, which means I'm getting paid while I'm here. Now I also challenge you read my posts anywhere else in the forum and look how much of a potty mouth I am and once again you'll find don't know me well enough to form an opinion. Why did I drop an 'F' bomb? Thomas insulted female players in my cartel and it ticked me off and I told him pretty appropriately I might add, what I thought about it. Now I don't mean to diss you or St. Micheal but honestly you really haven't played long enough to have much of an opinion on this. I know your trying to fit in by hopping on the 'anti-TLB' bandwagon but unless you can speak with some authority on the subject, one way or the other your better off keeping your ignorance a secret instead of opening your mouth and proving it.

Now I wish you guys both luck in Dopewars. Its a great game and I hope that one day you can find a cartel that works hard and medals. One that teaches you how to play the game and not just follow a cookie cutter strat that they hand you. One that is full of players that you know are gonna play everyday and push you to be a better player. then when another noobie gets on the forum and insults them you'll know why I am here posting today.

Im not on the band wagon of hating you guys/girls... I have nothing agianst you. I just was saying that when someone posts something try and just answer back in a normal manner. It may be hard cause yes I understand that people get rather mad sometimes. I have nothing against TLB members or the cartel. I was just reading.

I can form any opinion though. I dont have to play this for a long time for someeone to hear me out. The point is that I dont have to be "known" on the forums cause when they read it, if it means anything to them, my opinion will be heard. I have nothing against you either Dymond.

[Dymond]

LOL!

the boy put the fear of god into me!


hopefully they will reward you dearly for your bravery! ;)

LOL Thomas.. don't get me laughing..I can't stay pissed!

[Psychostyle]

Hopefully that'll never happen. If it does happen that means there's another highly broken strategy which will be used until it's fixed. That's not good for the game.




Thats the bottom line, but the facts remain: had we left the strategy intact, your records would amount to nothing as they would all quickly be overtaken. you are recordholders simply in the same manner as sa, thru discovery and exploitation before anyone else.

[St.Michael]

Dude..the whole 'you have no life because your on the forum' is a pretty played out argument..considering you came back twice to post, once with lame 'butt dart' comment. As for me I do this from work, which means I'm getting paid while I'm here. Now I also challenge you read my posts anywhere else in the forum and look how much of a potty mouth I am and once again you'll find don't know me well enough to form an opinion. Why did I drop an 'F' bomb? Thomas insulted female players in my cartel and it ticked me off and I told him pretty appropriately I might add, what I thought about it. Now I don't mean to diss you or St. Micheal but honestly you really haven't played long enough to have much of an opinion on this. I know your trying to fit in by hopping on the 'anti-TLB' bandwagon but unless you can speak with some authority on the subject, one way or the other your better off keeping your ignorance a secret instead of opening your mouth and proving it.

Now I wish you guys both luck in Dopewars. Its a great game and I hope that one day you can find a cartel that works hard and medals. One that teaches you how to play the game and not just follow a cookie cutter strat that they hand you. One that is full of players that you know are gonna play everyday and push you to be a better player. then when another noobie gets on the forum and insults them you'll know why I am here posting today.



Your right I am ignorant when it comes to this topic, I was just pissy cuz I was hungry.

Now back to the intended topic of this thread...TLB congrats on whatever you did, supposedly you guys are something awesome. Hopefully you guys aren't going to totally retire because I want a shot at gunning you some day.


ps. No hard feelings dymond, I was under the impression you were one of those e-gangsters that like to threaten people over the internet...kinda like killaho. (tsss score one for the good team).

[the squid of despair]

Your right I am ignorant when it comes to this topic, I was just pissy cuz I was hungry.

Now back to the intended topic of this thread...TLB congrats on whatever you did, supposedly you guys are something awesome. Hopefully you guys aren't going to totally retire because I want a shot at gunning you some day.


ps. No hard feelings dymond, I was under the impression you were one of those e-gangsters that like to threaten people over the internet...kinda like killaho. (tsss score one for the good team).

nigga i kill u if u want sum bitch i eat foo lik u for brekfest

[St.Michael]

nigga i kill u if u want sum bitch i eat foo lik u for brekfest


lmao (y)

[HellRaiser]

Thats the bottom line, but the facts remain: had we left the strategy intact, your records would amount to nothing as they would all quickly be overtaken. you are recordholders simply in the same manner as sa, thru discovery and exploitation before anyone else.

I could of posted an hour post retorting all the TLB players comments but why bother spend all that time for nothing? All everyone has to read is what our friendly DW admin and creator has to say and that SUMS IT ALL UP BELOW... Arrest My Case! :)

Thats the bottom line, but the facts remain: had we left the strategy intact, your records would amount to nothing as they would all quickly be overtaken. you are recordholders simply in the same manner as sa, thru discovery and exploitation before anyone else.

[Calienta]

I could of posted an hour post retorting all the TLB players comments but why bother spend all that time for nothing? All everyone has to read is what our friendly DW admin and creator has to say and that SUMS IT ALL UP BELOW... Arrest My Case! :)



daaaang Steve :) You've been promoted hey?

[Siphter]

nigga i kill u if u want sum bitch i eat foo lik u for brekfest

Hero...

[White Boy]

TLB its a shame to see you go. Miss you guys already.

[-=|[GaNgStA-RePz]|=-]

well said P stylez

[BIATCH!!!]

Thats the bottom line, but the facts remain: had we left the strategy intact, your records would amount to nothing as they would all quickly be overtaken. you are recordholders simply in the same manner as sa, thru discovery and exploitation before anyone else.

Alright steve...than I would like to see another cartel do so...

Invitingly so actually. Any other cartel that will get 5 consecutive golds with the rest of the DWars community knowing the strategy and achieve the same accomplishments that TLB did will win my praise on any day and you know it. For example, if OSM were to utilize the strategy the same as TLB and achieve the same goals and surpass TLB than I would be very impressed, but everyone already knew the strategy at the time that Michael began using it yet Michael was the only one to actually perfect it.

If you remember, like in the past with "vipe_9" also known as "The Hookup" back when you and I used to play 2-3 years ago when he was the first ever to use the machines before textbook strategy. He saw a new strategy and decided to perfect it. Lets move onto kiz or Insomniac and talk about worth gunning now you think? Any strategy taht came about and was perfected by someone was always seen as a cheater or unconvential when it led to the success of their cartel. I will say this right now and then drop the conversation, that if TLB was OSM and Michael was playing for OSM instead, than there would have never been a change in the game nor a discussion of how he was cheating at all.

[Nazkyn]

but everyone already knew the strategy at the time that Michael began using it yet Michael was the only one to actually perfect it.

That part is key, nobody can deny that at the time, it was a level playing field :spike:

[Diogee old]

I dont see any medals or wins being strips hes just stating that just like previos cartels that held records it was achieved by exploiting a stratagy

now that its been changed no one will stand a chance to break some of those records until a new stratagy that can be exploited is found.

Without that strat you guys wouldnt have broke the record, and if the strat was to stay in affect those records would only last for so long until others cartels figure it the "perfected" way and have 2 or more members finish above 200.


THEY ARE RECORDS HELD BY A STRAT THAT CANNOT BE REPEATED!!

[Eyez Neverclear]

Damn there's a lot of people ruining our fun in here...... Well at least changing it to a different kind of fun anyways. People here complain about our arrogance. Well I say where the fuck does that come from? Go find me threads in the forum before this one filled with TLB players bragging otu side of the normal congrats to each other in End Of Rounds scores threads. You can't because we've been more humble than any other mass medalling cartel EVER has. Now that we're done who the hell cares our guys should be able to do as they please now. Not to mention that 90% of all arrogance anybody has read in here was really only our members defending what we've done against all of your lame bitching.

So here....

Oh look here's TLB winning the overall (not a medal) in our 2nd round ever back in February. Nobody was using a drug dealing strat either. We had 7 players hit the $100mil mark in 28 days and they are the only 7 players to ever do so. And of course thats the cartel record for 28 days in a round. But we can't get records without cheating
http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=2117

Oh now here is TLB's first gold medal and still no drug dealing strat. Notice that we have 12 of the top 13 accounts overall as well as AD winning the overall without his drug dealing strat. But of course we can't win gold without cheating.
http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=2119

And as Tim so nicely pointed out earlier in this thread we would have won 3 of our 5 golds if you replaced AD's score with a sub-average score and a 4th if you just flat out dropped him from the cartel and we had 19 players. That alone is as many golds as any cartel has ever gotten in A games and we did it in 4 straight rounds. This last round was questionable as to whether or not we would have still won gold. I'd like to see someone do the math though. Change our high score to whatever you feel is average. Then do the same for both the other high scores from those mass merging silver and bronze medalists and I think we'd still win. If not we'd still medal.


As for AD's strat.....

Of course he was using an option given to him that techincally shouldn't have been and you could argue thats wrong all you want and I wouldn't argue back as I was the first in TLB to post here in the forum that I am not a big fan of the strat. BUT, what basically every damn one of you bitching about his scores hasn't figured out is that a HUGE chunk of that score came in a 100% legit way that he was the only one to figure out. Hence the $100mil difference in scores where he ran his strat and others ran a strat taking advantage of that same bug. FACT is that upping the trade limit from 192k units per was what was giving him the biggest advantage over everyone else's junkie and machine strats. Using that, added to his special tweek nobody else could figure out, and NOT USING THE 4TH VISIT $150-$180mil was still very legitimatly possible. Assuming the gunners weren't going all odd thomas (oh I mean suicidal) on you. Hell I spent the last 4 days of the round in one of my random games last round selling drugs within a machine strat. I never once used the 4th visit as I was working with the redneck overalls and had no use for it. Even without that 4th visit I was making about 1100 vests per token off my machines and $1.5-2mil in cash per token.

Too bad you'd all still be bitching about his scores if he played it that way though. And Pstyle, our records would still continue to stand as nobody else has ever figured out what AD's has been doing

As for our claims of being the best ever......

7 medals in 6 medal rounds with 22-25 players in each round. Versus a slight bit more medals overall but in 3 to 4 times as many rounds with twice, if not more than twice, as many players. In my 2 years plus in this game I've only seen one cartel take gold without 2 full or nearly full cartels. And thats TLB. In fact I've only seen one other cartel medal at all without 2 full cartels or merging since I've been playing. 5 gold medals in 6 medal rounds when nobody else has ever gotten more than 4 ever. Not to mention Reds played in at least twice as many rounds as we had, OSM probably twice as many as Reds, Syndicate I don't know for sure but I know damn well they have played in a ton more rounds than TLB. More, with way less to work with in way less time makes us better than everyone else. But as somebody else so kindly pointed out, its all your own opinion

And about the rest of the cartels strats.....

Do we really have to go back to this bullshit? We do not hand out strats to anyone and never have in TLB. Me, Tim, Phuquit, AD etc etc have put a lot of time into our own strats and have no interest in having them passed around to the entire game. Nor do we even want our most trusted players to use them in anyone else's cartel. We recruited players that could clearly think, hence the questionaires, and then pointed them in the right direction and encouraged them to talk to each other. Hell the 4 of us can't even agree on the best way to run a machine strat how the hell would we do anything but confuse players by telling them 4 different strats. Ask Phuquit if he wants anyone using his strat that got him 9 room wins in the same round lol. Fat chance he'll even talk to you. I know I wouldn't hand my strat out just to get more medals, I had more than enough before TLB came around. Hell I ran DS for 18 months and every time someone asked me what strat to run I told them all the same exact generic answer, "whatever is the most fun for you". You can't find a single clear number anywhere in the TLB forum telling anyone an exact amount of texts to use. Nor when to get them. Our first few months we made sure everyone learned how to do both junkies and machines then we let them run from there. The last 3 rounds we never told anyone to run a particular strat. We aren't OSM posting a step by step strat for everyone in the cartel to run. We just didn't go around recruiting anybody. We got smart people that all put TLB first and made it an important part of their daily free time.

*sorry for the double post but I feel its warranted
I personally beat 98% of your players round in and out without that strat lol.

I haven't read anything in the forum that funny in ages. Who the hell are you? You just wasted so much of your own time making so many statements. Yet you didn't at any time make a valid point with your far less than accurate info. If I were a teacher correcting your paper with red ink I'd be handing you back one big fucking mess.

And on a token for token completely even playing field 98% of TLB would take you down everytime. But what's most funny about that comment is that you go claiming something you have no means to back up and have never given anyone any reason to believe. TLB scores have dominated the overall top10 for most of the year not counting anything that AD has done. If you really think you'd have a chance to beat even a quarter of TLB players I'm sure I could find a way to have a certain someone set up a special game with only you and TLB in it. No cartels, no guns, no thugs, and an even amount of tokens for all. Our strat's against yours and no other variables. We could even level the playing field out all run machine strats as it seems thats all you know and there's no god damn way you could beat a single one of us with junkies. Hell I'd pay a reasonable price for that myself to make it happen if I had to just prove how stupid that comment was. But damn seeing how you're Mr Money Bags and the one with big enough balls to make such a claim I think you should step up and pay the money for a private game to prove your point. This was supposed to be my last round in the game but I'd hang around for another month for something like that. I'd say take it to Warzone but Warzone is littered with multis that Pstyle doesn't care to check on and would throw in too many other variables to make things completely even.

Do you have the balls and your monthly DW's cash donations to make it happen?

[odd th0mas]

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damn, how bout a table of contents for that rant...and while we're at it maybe some soft violin music playing in the background! Also, i'm worried there might be subliminal messagin going on there aswell, for i now find myself with cacophanous voices in my head saying.....

B E L I E V E ME!

B E E - L I E V E ME!

BEEEEEEEEEE-LEEEEEEEEEVE MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!










.

[St.Michael]

Damn there's a lot of people ruining our fun in here...... Well at least changing it to a different kind of fun anyways. People here complain about our arrogance. Well I say where the fuck does that come from? Go find me threads in the forum before this one filled with TLB players bragging otu side of the normal congrats to each other in End Of Rounds scores threads. You can't because we've been more humble than any other mass medalling cartel EVER has. Now that we're done who the hell cares our guys should be able to do as they please now. Not to mention that 90% of all arrogance anybody has read in here was really only our members defending what we've done against all of your lame bitching.

So here....

Oh look here's TLB winning the overall (not a medal) in our 2nd round ever back in February. Nobody was using a drug dealing strat either. We had 7 players hit the $100mil mark in 28 days and they are the only 7 players to ever do so. And of course thats the cartel record for 28 days in a round. But we can't get records without cheating
http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=2117

Oh now here is TLB's first gold medal and still no drug dealing strat. Notice that we have 12 of the top 13 accounts overall as well as AD winning the overall without his drug dealing strat. But of course we can't win gold without cheating.
http://forum.oddthought.com/showthread.php?t=2119

And as Tim so nicely pointed out earlier in this thread we would have won 3 of our 5 golds if you replaced AD's score with a sub-average score and a 4th if you just flat out dropped him from the cartel and we had 19 players. That alone is as many golds as any cartel has ever gotten in A games and we did it in 4 straight rounds. This last round was questionable as to whether or not we would have still won gold. I'd like to see someone do the math though. Change our high score to whatever you feel is average. Then do the same for both the other high scores from those mass merging silver and bronze medalists and I think we'd still win. If not we'd still medal.


As for AD's strat.....

Of course he was using an option given to him that techincally shouldn't have been and you could argue thats wrong all you want and I wouldn't argue back as I was the first in TLB to post here in the forum that I am not a big fan of the strat. BUT, what basically every damn one of you bitching about his scores hasn't figured out is that a HUGE chunk of that score came in a 100% legit way that he was the only one to figure out. Hence the $100mil difference in scores where he ran his strat and others ran a strat taking advantage of that same bug. FACT is that upping the trade limit from 192k units per was what was giving him the biggest advantage over everyone else's junkie and machine strats. Using that, added to his special tweek nobody else could figure out, and NOT USING THE 4TH VISIT $150-$180mil was still very legitimatly possible. Assuming the gunners weren't going all odd thomas (oh I mean suicidal) on you. Hell I spent the last 4 days of the round in one of my random games last round selling drugs within a machine strat. I never once used the 4th visit as I was working with the redneck overalls and had no use for it. Even without that 4th visit I was making about 1100 vests per token off my machines and $1.5-2mil in cash per token.

Too bad you'd all still be bitching about his scores if he played it that way though. And Pstyle, our records would still continue to stand as nobody else has ever figured out what AD's has been doing

As for our claims of being the best ever......

7 medals in 6 medal rounds with 22-25 players in each round. Versus a slight bit more medals overall but in 3 to 4 times as many rounds with twice, if not more than twice, as many players. In my 2 years plus in this game I've only seen one cartel take gold without 2 full or nearly full cartels. And thats TLB. In fact I've only seen one other cartel medal at all without 2 full cartels or merging since I've been playing. 5 gold medals in 6 medal rounds when nobody else has ever gotten more than 4 ever. Not to mention Reds played in at least twice as many rounds as we had, OSM probably twice as many as Reds, Syndicate I don't know for sure but I know damn well they have played in a ton more rounds than TLB. More, with way less to work with in way less time makes us better than everyone else. But as somebody else so kindly pointed out, its all your own opinion

And about the rest of the cartels strats.....

Do we really have to go back to this bullshit? We do not hand out strats to anyone and never have in TLB. Me, Tim, Phuquit, AD etc etc have put a lot of time into our own strats and have no interest in having them passed around to the entire game. Nor do we even want our most trusted players to use them in anyone else's cartel. We recruited players that could clearly think, hence the questionaires, and then pointed them in the right direction and encouraged them to talk to each other. Hell the 4 of us can't even agree on the best way to run a machine strat how the hell would we do anything but confuse players by telling them 4 different strats. Ask Phuquit if he wants anyone using his strat that got him 9 room wins in the same round lol. Fat chance he'll even talk to you. I know I wouldn't hand my strat out just to get more medals, I had more than enough before TLB came around. Hell I ran DS for 18 months and every time someone asked me what strat to run I told them all the same exact generic answer, "whatever is the most fun for you". You can't find a single clear number anywhere in the TLB forum telling anyone an exact amount of texts to use. Nor when to get them. Our first few months we made sure everyone learned how to do both junkies and machines then we let them run from there. The last 3 rounds we never told anyone to run a particular strat. We aren't OSM posting a step by step strat for everyone in the cartel to run. We just didn't go around recruiting anybody. We got smart people that all put TLB first and made it an important part of their daily free time.



Omg I can't believe I just read that mess! Let me sum that up for everyone....TLB is better than everyone else. And they are not arrogant, they just don't hesitate to share all their achievments...over...and over...and over. And as thomas said, I would like a table of contents and maybe some chapters next time you feel like devoting that much time to brag.

[Davecat]

I'd like to Congratulate TLB on everything they've done!

I wish i'd stuck around and managed to play a part in it.

Sadly i didnt, and i think i'm right in recalling that you managed to pull the first medal with me handicapping the team by dissapearing at the end of the month ?

to all the haters... for fooks sake pipe down, your making yourselves look gernerally foolish - fact that TLB would still have won giving AD a handicapped score should be enough to shut you up - the FACT that AD would have had a score beating most without using trafficking should hopefully be enough to shut OddThomas up...


Finally - I was with TLB in the beginning, Their philosophy on training was similar to the 'not giving a fish, but teaching how to fish'... no strats handed out - no clones, nothing like that at all.

First i've seen like it...
Hopefully not the last.

Again, Gratz Guys...








P.S. as it's AIW - Your all knob-jockeys.

[Cushion]

before people begin to moan at this comment, i just want to make one thing clear, and that is, TLB are a great cartel, the only thing i dont agree with is the buy/sell limit when AD began to play was at 384k but as soon as he stopped playing for TLB it was put back down to 192k, thats the only thing i think is biast, unfair, and blatent :) so please dont begin to moan as this opinion as its fair and on most peoples minds

[St.Michael]

before people begin to moan at this comment, i just want to make one thing clear, and that is, TLB are a great cartel, the only thing i dont agree with is the buy/sell limit when AD began to play was at 192k and was risen to 384k as soon as he discovered the strat, then as soon as he stopped playing for TLB is was put back down to 192k, thats the only thing i think is biast, unfair, and blatent :) so please dont begin to moan as this opinion as its fair and on most peoples minds


Oh don't get me wrong, I have nothin against TLB. Its just killaho isn't responding to any of this so I thought I would pick up the slack.

[Cushion]

fair enough St.Michael mate lol just ya job aye :P

[Siphter]

*sorry for the double post but I feel its warranted


I haven't read anything in the forum that funny in ages. Who the hell are you? You just wasted so much of your own time making so many statements. Yet you didn't at any time make a valid point with your far less than accurate info. If I were a teacher correcting your paper with red ink I'd be handing you back one big fucking mess.

And on a token for token completely even playing field 98% of TLB would take you down everytime. But what's most funny about that comment is that you go claiming something you have no means to back up and have never given anyone any reason to believe. TLB scores have dominated the overall top10 for most of the year not counting anything that AD has done. If you really think you'd have a chance to beat even a quarter of TLB players I'm sure I could find a way to have a certain someone set up a special game with only you and TLB in it. No cartels, no guns, no thugs, and an even amount of tokens for all. Our strat's against yours and no other variables. We could even level the playing field out all run machine strats as it seems thats all you know and there's no god damn way you could beat a single one of us with junkies. Hell I'd pay a reasonable price for that myself to make it happen if I had to just prove how stupid that comment was. But damn seeing how you're Mr Money Bags and the one with big enough balls to make such a claim I think you should step up and pay the money for a private game to prove your point. This was supposed to be my last round in the game but I'd hang around for another month for something like that. I'd say take it to Warzone but Warzone is littered with multis that Pstyle doesn't care to check on and would throw in too many other variables to make things completely even.

Do you have the balls and your monthly DW's cash donations to make it happen?


Um I dont find this funny at all I find this to be very true... And you dont know who hellraiser is now thats funny. He is very well known for his acheivements. Just letting you know

[steff]

I will say this right now and then drop the conversation, that if TLB was OSM and Michael was playing for OSM instead, than there would have never been a change in the game nor a discussion of how he was cheating at all.

Actually if he was playing for OSM the game would have been fixed after the first high scoring game (maybe the second).

You can't because we've been more humble than any other mass medalling cartel EVER has.

I don't have SB logs but everytime there was 3 or more TLB'ers their it became anotehr place for TLB to play the big "I am". How can you call all the different signatures you lot have "humble". Humble would be a leaving thread at the very most and that's it. Next thing you'll be saying is that you aren't attnetion whores either. This thread was started knowing full well that it wouldn't stay a leaving thread.

But we can't get records without cheating

No you never cheated, you got it by playing A9 where you hoarded alot lower than normal players and took next to no gunning. But liek I said, no cheating whatsoever there, just great bonuses. ;)

We aren't OSM posting a step by step strat for everyone in the cartel to run.

I ask (but don't enforce) people to run certain strategies and post 2 basic strategies incase anyone doesn't have a clue. It's force of habit.

[St.Michael]

Um I dont find this funny at all I find this to be very true... And you dont know who hellraiser is now thats funny. He is very well known for his acheivements. Just letting you know


Way to blow his cover! He was the A games secret weapon...now we have to kill him and find someone else.

[Ridgeback]

TLB? Is that a sandwich made by a dyslexic person? mmmmmmmm, bacon

[Kloaked Spirit]

GROWL RAWR MUNCH SHOW TEETH CLAW KILL! INTERNET GAME RAGE!

This thread takes me laugh. I applaud you all for your efforts.

[vixen]

maybe people are just jealous that they were not invited to be part of TLB

*fucking pricks, I have been playing for 3+ years now, never missed a round and I was not asked to play wit TLB, I have won a few A games, been in many medal cartels and I was not GOOD enough to be a part of that, shit fuck you all*

LMAO did ya think I was serious??

That felt good, with the week I am having and having to work all weekend, I SO needed that!

[tca]

Oh god, i actually READ this shit?

Boo Fucking Hoo, Its dopewars, get used to it kiddies.

[Buckledmac]

*yawns*

[tca]

lets all get naked!!

*takes off clothes and runs through the sprinkler*

[icedogg]

why is it throughout this thread i've read "everyone knew about it" with regards to the dealer visits and the coat.

I would like to say that not everyone knew about it, i know i didnt. :$

[tca]

I Repeat

lets all get naked!!

*takes off clothes and runs through the sprinkler*

[Cushion]

*covers eyes and runs*

[Dymond]

*hands TCA a towel*

nobody wants to see that mate!

[tca]

lol *grabs the towel and chases dymond whipping him*

[Bellows]

is that a towel or a jiz rag?

[tca]

ask dymond lol

[TJ60]

*hands TCA a towel*

nobody wants to see that mate!


see what? i didn't bring my microscope:$

[MG]

I did. It looks like an acorn in a bush.

[Cushion]

i thought more a needle in a hay stack :laugh4:

[Siphter]

ask dymond lol

I think that Dymond gave tca a rag full of jiz then TCA, covered himself up. But then ripped it off and starting pwning dymond lol

[St.Michael]

I think that Dymond gave tca a rag full of jiz then TCA, covered himself up. But then ripped it off and starting pwning dymond lol


I don't get it.

[DeMoN69]

TCA pistol owning dymond? I doubt it.

[tca]

Smartasses

oh well

*rubs lotion on himself and rolls in sprinkles*

[Maija]

16 pages????? OMG I think I just wasted 45 minutes of my life......

Congrats anyways TLB!! Despite all of the controversy, this was the hardest working, most dedicated, cartel i've ever seen. (y)

[Pot4life]

16 pages????? OMG I think I just wasted 45 minutes of my life......

Congrats anyways TLB!! Despite all of the controversy, this was the hardest working, most dedicated, cartel i've ever seen. (y)

i have to completely agree with maija

as i still consider myself a newb, i have the upmost respect for all of the TLB players and especially AD, although i have never had the chance to play in the same cartel as him i have asked him mulitple questions and he has been verry friendly and helpfull, and i think on a whole TLB is like this! and IMHO thats what i think makes a truly great cartel, the way they adopt certain players, just think when you started this game how did you find your way through?

All i can say is that i hope TLB come out of retirement and play some more, it is a honour (i suppose :) ) to play against them, and i hope they all stay active in the forums and in different cartels through-out the game!

Pot4life

[odd th0mas]

i have to completely agree with maija

as i still consider myself a newb, i have the upmost respect for all of the TLB players and especially AD, although i have never had the chance to play in the same cartel as him i have asked him mulitple questions and he has been verry friendly and helpfull, and i think on a whole TLB is like this! and IMHO thats what i think makes a truly great cartel, the way they adopt certain players, just think when you started this game how did you find your way through?

All i can say is that i hope TLB come out of retirement and play some more, it is a honour (i suppose :) ) to play against them, and i hope they all stay active in the forums and in different cartels through-out the game!

Pot4life


they ain't retiring!


this thread is kinda like the 'im leaving' threads, where certain peeps are jus looking for a little attention and some pats on the back from their admirers(clique)! jus give em wat they want, believe all they say, praise their accomplishments, fluff their ego.....and jus KEEP NODDING YOUR HEAD!

They are at apex of their carreers here, nothing more to accomplish here! just ask em!

[Pot4life]

they ain't retiring!


this thread is kinda like the 'im leaving' threads, where certain peeps are jus looking for a little attention and some pats on the back from their admirers(clique)! jus give em wat they want, believe all they say, praise their accomplishments, fluff their ego.....and jus KEEP NODDING YOUR HEAD!

They are at apex of their carreers here, nothing more to accomplish here! just ask em!

and you are>?

[A&H?]

and you are>?

Yeah, I've never heard of him either...

[GankOne]

and you are>?


He's a piss-poor gunner who, judging by the cyber temper tantrum he's thrown in this thread, is obviously really going to miss suiciding us.:spike:

[Pot4life]

must be some sort of e ninja

[odd th0mas]

must be some sort of e ninja


http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9712/18/farley.obit.3/swords.jpg


/\

/\

/\

i am!

[Pot4life]

put on a few pounds since the ninja days have we?

[odd th0mas]

put on a few pounds since the ninja days have we?

to get the part i went on lard diet! that is why some of the girls around here seem a little 'trimmer'!

[St.Michael]

He's a piss-poor gunner who, judging by the cyber temper tantrum he's thrown in this thread, is obviously really going to miss suiciding us.:spike:


Oh good one. :sib:

[Siphter]

So pretty much if anyone was paying attention they said that allllll of the TLB players are scattered out throughout the A1-A whatever. So prett ymuch this thread was to grab attention, and brag about some accomplishments. So pretty much was there a point to this thread...

I am Ben... Dont ask who I am

[Nazkyn]

So pretty much if anyone was paying attention they said that allllll of the TLB players are scattered out throughout the A1-A whatever. So prett ymuch this thread was to grab attention, and brag about some accomplishments. So pretty much was there a point to this thread...

I am Ben... Dont ask who I am

Mwahaha!!, you total fucking twat.

.....

[St.Michael]

^
^
^

and your an egotistical bitch. There your even.

[Diogee old]

WOW This thread is still growing.


I have said all the insluts towards TLB that I needed to now.

Congrats TLB, A-D and all other members of TLB. Very dominanting performance its gonna suck not having you in A games as you clearly are the Cartel to beat in A. It just isnt the same winning gold if one of the greatest cartels arnt included. Im sure everyone had good reasons for this and I hope to see you come out of retirement some day.


AS FOR EVERYONE ELSE LET IT DIE. Pull your heads out of your asses!!

[St.Michael]

AS FOR EVERYONE ELSE LET IT DIE. Pull your heads out of your asses!!


No. :eviltoungue:

[Nazkyn]

^
^
^

and your an egotistical bitch. There your even.

And YOUUUUUUUUU can't tie your shoe laces.

[Calienta]

Neither can I :$




I use velcro :-#

[St.Michael]

And YOUUUUUUUUU can't tie your shoe laces.


My mom never taught me. :$



...She said it had to do with liberals and that I would understand when I was older.

[DeMoN69]

So pretty much if anyone was paying attention they said that allllll of the TLB players are scattered out throughout the A1-A whatever. So prett ymuch this thread was to grab attention, and brag about some accomplishments. So pretty much was there a point to this thread...

I am Ben... Dont ask who I am


1st) Who are you?
2nd) Sarchasm much?

[St.Michael]

1st) Who are you?
2nd) Sarchasm much?


A.) I like how you joined in on the bandwagon with the rest of your butt buddies with the whole "Who are you?" line, very original.

B.) I looked up "Sarchasm" in the dictionary and I didn't find anything.

[HellRaiser]

I haven't read anything in the forum that funny in ages. Who the hell are you? You just wasted so much of your own time making so many statements. Yet you didn't at any time make a valid point with your far less than accurate info. If I were a teacher correcting your paper with red ink I'd be handing you back one big fucking mess.

That is probably because you can't accept the truth, so when your fragile ego is in danger, let's get the self defence mechanism raring to go, lol. It appears many points were made and what do you know, many agree.

I also didn't realize you were the spelling or grammar internet police, Is this being graded as a legal document? GROW THE FUCK UP YA HALLOWEEN JOKE...

And on a token for token completely even playing field 98% of TLB would take you down everytime. But what's most funny about that comment is that you go claiming something you have no means to back up and have never given anyone any reason to believe.

Hahahaha, dude are you in a coma or just stupid? Maybe it is that ALBINO condition or look that has corrupted your brain cells. I only been playing this game for 5 ROUNDS. The last 3 Rounds I have tore it up. But let's examine the facts shall we cupcake?

Scores Game A Round 37

Top 100 players (overall)

1 Bubble Puppy $162,572,597 The Legitimate Businessmen A4
5 Hopeless Case $114,300,814 The Legitimate Businessmen A4
7 T.S.R. $112,873,550 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
8 Bast $112,396,543 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
9 Omni Trio $112,172,125 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
11 Mudshovel $111,838,853 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
12 Hellraiser $111,653,532 Assassins Of Youth A3
14 Hellraiser $110,905,142 De@th R()w Re$$erection A12

You guys played in 2 Rounds, ( A2 & A4 ) and only 6 OF YOU beat me.
One of you, used the narcotic trafficking strat.
Last I checked, beating 34 players out of 40 is pretty damn good.
Not to mention me on the other hand finished TWICE in the top 14 overall.
What does that say Biatch?


SCORES GAME A ROUND 38...

Top 100 players (overall)

1 Covergirl $220,542,666 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
2 vegetarian tiger $181,370,542 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
3 Santeria $165,398,527 The Legitimate Businessmen A3
4 strum your nugget $161,555,077 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
5 L Tarnoff Syndrome $153,194,193 The Legitimate Businessmen A4
6 A rainbow in the underwear $144,923,326 The Legitimate Businessmen A3
7 Special Agent Steele $140,208,193 The Legitimate Businessmen A4
8 HellRaiser $129,530,513 De@th R()w Re$$erection A10
9 J.A.M. $127,922,808 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
10 HellRaiser $127,532,351 A4
11 HellRaiser $127,227,514 $Goodfellaz$ A12
12 Xilonen $127,056,989 The Legitimate Businessmen A3
14 Rosy Cheeks $125,962,892 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
15 HellRaiser $125,029,918 THE SILENT ASSASSINS A6
17 HellRaiser $124,661,261 UNTOUCHABLE A2
18 HellRaiser $122,945,626 Assassins Of Youth A3


You guys played again in 2 rounds and this time 7 of you beat me.
But all 7 used the trafficking narcotic strat. lol

Once again you had 2 cartels of players in A2 AND A4...
Last I checked, beating 33 players out of 40 is pretty damn good lol.

Me on the other hand finished 6 ROUNDS in the top 18 lol...


SCORES GAME A ROUND 39...
Top 100 players (overall)

1 Professor Crunk $268,166,383 The Legitimate Businessmen A1
6 Phuquit $126,758,712 The Legitimate Businessmen A1
7 Armed and Hammered $125,476,806 The Legitimate Businessmen A1
8 Secret Files $124,761,038 Old School Mafis A1
9 Archie Bunker $124,361,554 UNTOUCHABLE A2
10 Bionic Man $123,633,743 Br@ndedfews REVENGE A6
11 ® HellRaiser™ $121,987,643 Assassins of Youth A3
14 Dymond $120,536,464 The Legitimate Businessmen A1
15 jubilee $120,312,686 The Legitimate Businessmen A1
16 ® HellRaiser™ $119,606,491 TraP $tar$ InC. A9
19 Adversary $116,986,904 The Bee Hive A4

This time, only 3 of you finished higher ( -1 trafficking narcotic strat).
Me on the other hand finished 6 ROUNDS in the top 19 lol...
===========================================

So I don't know dude, you ask who am I? I think it quite clear who I AM...
It is quite clear I finish above a majority of TLB players ROUND IN AND ROUND.
SO I stand corrected... So what were you saying again?
Was it something to the effect, nothing to back it up? lol


TLB scores have dominated the overall top10 for most of the year not counting anything that AD has done. If you really think you'd have a chance to beat even a quarter of TLB players I'm sure I could find a way to have a certain someone set up a special game with only you and TLB in it. No cartels, no guns, no thugs, and an even amount of tokens for all.

Ya that would be the only way to beat me is to gang up 20 or 40 to one lol.
Dude, face it, forget the rest of TLB players, your the one making bold claims.
So why don't you step up to the plate and take me on Biatch.
You are NO MACTH FOR ME...

Have A Nice Day. :)

[Calienta]

I wanted to point out that your scores in A9, A10, A12 that you mentioned, was probably getting gunned by absolutely nobody. I'm sure you left out all the TLB members who get in the top hundred overall with their other cartels. We don't all only play for TLB :P That means that most of us fall in the top hundred two, three, four times. The fact that TLB has been discovered in each round and gunned to shit.. means a lot. Of course your scores will be high when you aren't specifically targetted and suicided daily. Eyez was meaning a game with no gunning, just a fair playing field, your skills versus ours, no cartels... That's all :)

[Nazkyn]

I also didn't realize you were the spelling or grammar internet police, Is this being graded as a legal document? GROW THE FUCK UP YA HALLOWEEN JOKE...

That would have been valid if Eyez was talking about your pathetic grammar.

[HellRaiser]

I wanted to point out that your scores in A9, A10, A12 that you mentioned, was probably getting gunned by absolutely nobody. I'm sure you left out all the TLB members who get in the top hundred overall with their other cartels. We don't all only play for TLB :P That means that most of us fall in the top hundred two, three, four times. The fact that TLB has been discovered in each round and gunned to shit.. means a lot. Of course your scores will be high when you aren't specifically targetted and suicided daily. Eyez was meaning a game with no gunning, just a fair playing field, your skills versus ours, no cartels... That's all :)

Actually I was gunned pretty heavily in every round. I lost millions in each.

As for TLB finishing higher with other cartels in the top 100, it doesn't apply. Were talking about TOP 20. Name me 1 TLB player who finished in the top 20 more then ONCE if TWICE outside of TLB? You can't... I proven my case for stats finishing MULTIPLE times in the top 20 OVERALL...


Nazkyn....

Is that the best you got to add to this discussion? lol...
I know it is all you can give for the lack of your playing ability. :)

[St.Michael]

Well there is only one way to solve this...i'm just gonna have to gun all of you. 8o|

[kitty]

to get the part i went on lard diet! that is why some of the girls around here seem a little 'trimmer'!

*starts day one of not eating*

[BIATCH!!!]

ahhahaha...I am such a hypocrit but I must respond again, the thread just draws me back with every page of bullshit and dumbass posts...

HellRaiser: Congratulations, you figured out a successful machine strategy I along with the rest of the DWars community am very proud of you. Now STFU and get out of the thread before you embarrass yourself even more about talking about how you beat some randomass percentage of the TLB members. I would like to see you run a different strategy next round in A games and score equally to last round's scores for you or higher. I can speak for the rest of the TLB members that (most) all know how to run junkie strategies just as well or even better than they do machine strategies which shows the more dynamic/better dopewars player and not just classified as a good machinist. Hell, you tell me where you are next round and I will certainly show you a little bit of what TLB went through in perhaps A1 last round, or A2 the round before, and the round before that...I promise you, your scores will not be as prodigious as you are bragging.

Another point I want to bring up is that this thread was made to basically confirm the rumors that TLB is actually gone and retired, *not to bring attention to us or rub in all your faces that TLB kicked your ass for however many rounds with you guys having nothing to say* but the faint insinuations of cheating or hacking...

This part in the *x* is what I would say if I wanted to bragging and bring attention to TLB's accomplishments. :)

[Nazkyn]

Nazkyn....

Is that the best you got to add to this discussion? lol...
I know it is all you can give for the lack of your playing ability. :)

9 Omni Trio $112,172,125 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
12 Hellraiser $111,653,532 Assassins Of Youth A3
14 Hellraiser $110,905,142 De@th R()w Re$$erection A12

I beat you AFTER I got suicided down by odd th0mas in the last few minutes :)

[BIATCH!!!]

I beat you AFTER I got suicided down by odd th0mas in the last few minutes :)

We would call that a pimp slap HellRaiser...(y)

[Eyez Neverclear]

Ya that would be the only way to beat me is to gang up 20 or 40 to one lol.
Dude, face it, forget the rest of TLB players, your the one making bold claims.
So why don't you step up to the plate and take me on Biatch.
You are NO MACTH FOR ME...

Have A Nice Day. :)

I think you missed the entire point. How would we be able to gang up on you 20 to one if there are no cartels, no guns and no thugs? If you were smart enough to come up with your own strategy you could easily tell that the situation I described would make teaming up in anyway IMPOSSIBLE. SO I repeat and making things you so clearly missed the first time around in bold

No cartels, no guns, no thugs, and an even amount of tokens for all. Our strat's against yours and no other variables. We could even level the playing field out all run machine strats as it seems thats all you know and there's no god damn way you could beat a single one of us with junkies. Hell I'd pay a reasonable price for that myself to make it happen if I had to just prove how stupid that comment was. But damn seeing how you're Mr Money Bags and the one with big enough balls to make such a claim I think you should step up and pay the money for a private game to prove your point. This was supposed to be my last round in the game but I'd hang around for another month for something like that. I'd say take it to Warzone but Warzone is littered with multis that Pstyle doesn't care to check on and would throw in too many other variables to make things completely even.

Do you have the balls and your monthly DW's cash donations to make it happen?

In fact I'll just go ahead and attempt to point it out more clearly. I SAID EVEN TOKENS. Meaning that everyone in this game thats been aroung long enough and knows exactly what a machine strat can do and where one could be at at any point in the round. Your scores my friend throughout most of the round are clear as day AT LEAST 120 tokens ahead of anything possible for that day. What this all means is that all those scores you so proudly put up there dont mean shit if played on an EVEN TOKEN basis as I challenged you too.

And before you go and throw out the "I didn't donate" bs. I will make sure you're well aware that all your recently finished rounds can still be logged into by all game admin with all kinds of extra info and your tokens spent can be posted for all to see as I'm sure there are a few ignorant out there that don't know how to pick out the most obvious donators. And to prove I'm not bluffing here is a lil info I asked for about 6-8 months ago where I wanted to see how all-time junkie record holder nfc was able to get his 7000 junkies legitimately. It was still there at least 4 months after that round happened

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9199/hellraiserlovesthecockzi6.png

So, AGAIN, lets make this game happen. I'm not bluffing. I'm willing to pay the money for a private game as its one hell of an excuse to play one more round with my friends from TLB. But with all the money you put into this game I think you seem better off to pay for the game than I. Put up or shutup, and don't throw up anymore donation specials for all to see

RD38
8 HellRaiser $129,530,513 De@th R()w Re$$erection A10
10 HellRaiser $127,532,351 A4
11 HellRaiser $127,227,514 $Goodfellaz$ A12
15 HellRaiser $125,029,918 THE SILENT ASSASSINS A6
17 HellRaiser $124,661,261 UNTOUCHABLE A2
18 HellRaiser $122,945,626 Assassins Of Youth A3
RD39
11 ® HellRaiser™ $121,987,643 Assassins of Youth A3
16 ® HellRaiser™ $119,606,491 TraP $tar$ InC. A9


Every person thats been around this game with half of a brain knows you cannott put up those scores running machines without donating in those cartels where damn near everyone runs machines. Take away those extra tokens and your machine strat is the same as everyone else's. Only a fucking tool would throw that shit up there and pretend to be proud of it. You couldn't hit $129mil in 31 days running machines if you were the only one in a cartel running machines with 19 junkie players giving you optimum bennies.

*Dontaing is fine, but bragging about your donated scores is not

[Nazkyn]

10 HellRaiser $127,532,351 A4

Wonder what happened there lol!?, I imagine it was a combination of your cartel bonus and your revolutionary worth gunning/machine strat that got you that score, HellRaiser??

[Diogee old]

129 million with machines is possible when there are 19 junkie players in your cartel!!! You just need to know the perfect machine strat a run it 1 token at a time WHICH I DOUBT HAPPENED. I know for a fact I scored in a all machines cartel $115 million with a machines without donating, but like I said you must run it 1 token at a time (also know when your machines would be 174 percent if you spent 1 token on machines, and to avoid it spend it on credits first) but I aggree that he donated for that score or used drug selling for the final day.

as for that junkie record ill be coming for that soon!!

[Nazkyn]

129 million with machines is possible when there are 19 junkie players in your cartel!!! You just need to know the perfect machine strat a run it 1 token at a time WHICH I DOUBT HAPPENED.

Lol mate, that would get you a worse score.

I know for a fact I scored in a all machines cartel $115 million with a machines without donating

And 115-129... a 14 million difference... about what you would expect with a donation eh??

[Diogee old]

Lol mate, that would get you a worse score.


Ill take it as youve never done it? you lose max vests when you get vests at 173 %

ohh and edit it was 114.?? before the attacks and ended worse then 110 million (if in case you are looking for it) but it is possible



And 115-129... a 14 million difference... about what you would expect with a donation eh??


Like i said i believe he did donate cuz he would have needed to be in a cartel all doing junkies for that outcome.

[Nazkyn]

Ill take it as youve never done it? you lose max vests when you get vests at 173 %

Think about that one mate ;)

[HellRaiser]

HellRaiser: Congratulations, you figured out a successful machine strategy I along with the rest of the DWars community am very proud of you. Now STFU and get out of the thread before you embarrass yourself even more about talking about how you beat some randomass percentage of the TLB members.

Kinda hard to embarrass myself when facts prove otherwise. But thanks for the congrats lol.

Listen, I am not at war with TLB players for christ sake. I only made the original post because I got sick and tired ( and I am far from being alone here, a majority of players feel the same ) of seeing TLB players for the most part with all the proaganda logo's shoving it in everyone's faces. Not to mention a few players acting like their THE DW ELITE. Then you as some other's topping it off with saying "other's should step up" etc, like the rest of the cartels and players are not worthy or crap. Then when someone comes along and says something against the holy grail of TLB, their condemned as the crybaby or whiner, pleaseeeeeeeeee... If many can dish it out by surely you should be able to TAKE IT BACK. Simple as that...

I would like to see you run a different strategy next round in A games and score equally to last round's scores for you or higher. I can speak for the rest of the TLB members that (most) all know how to run junkie strategies just as well or even better than they do machine strategies which shows the more dynamic/better dopewars player and not just classified as a good machinist.

I can do any strat, it isn't a problem for me. Plus who said all my rounds for the last 4 I didn't use junkies? Your all assuming I used machines in all. But yes in this specific round I am using machines. Point is, in the end the only thing that matters is your finish, correct? Well nothing else matters...

Hell, you tell me where you are next round and I will certainly show you a little bit of what TLB went through in perhaps A1 last round, or A2 the round before, and the round before that...I promise you, your scores will not be as prodigious as you are bragging.

You think your the only ones that was gunned heavily? You don't think many were gunning me to bring me down? Listen, just last round, I had 131 million in A1, as soon as Steff moved us into OSM, I got gunned in the last 5 minutes and lost 6 million. Otherwise I would of finished 2'nd in A1 right under Professor Crunk. But because of that I dropped 2 more spots so Phuquit and Armed And Hammered to finish above me. I'm not complaining, part of the game. The problem is you and some others go on and on about being gunned and then use that to BRAG MORE how you managed to get by lol... No that isn't bullshit at all lol...


Another point I want to bring up is that this thread was made to basically confirm the rumors that TLB is actually gone and retired, *not to bring attention to us or rub in all your faces that TLB kicked your ass for however many rounds with you guys having nothing to say* but the faint insinuations of cheating or hacking...

Point is if you make a topic you obviously want replies. You placed in the forum where critique is warranted etc. You shoved it in our faces with your own topic post and you expect no one say anything? Are ya serious? Your doing it again right now with this text lol... Your whole original post wasn't about saying goodbye it was about, "hey look at us, were great and you all got your asses kicked and ha ha, try and do what we did, step up" lol...

Yes TLB may have kicked every cartel asses, good for you, but you didn't kick mine or some other players. Yes this is a game based around team work, and you guys had a great team, no question about it. But this is also a game of individual effort and accomplishment. To be dead honest with you, I could give a rats ass about medals. I will take it if it comes but it really means squat to me. If I won medals every round I wouldn't say squat, who cares? I don't need people praising me lol... It just means you got lucky by having more solid players in any given cartel. In the end the only thing that has true value and worth is YOUR INDIVIDUAL FINISH. To me that is what truly counts... So I hardly envy TLB muchless any cartel who wins medals at all.


Nazkyn...

You should feel embarrassed you only beat me with so little after MY SECOND TIME PLAYING THE GAME LOL. So it would hardly qualify as pimp slap lol. Lastly, NO ONE trained me or did I need training unlike most, I learnt on my own from trial and error. :)

SIGNS OFF SAYING....

"Not Against TLB Players Personally Just THOSE players with the God Complex Attitude That Needed To Be Brought Down To Earth."

I only used my performances to support it.

Because honestly I don't like bragging about anything, I am totally grounded.
I only post my scores in my signature because that is what they were finishing in the round AS MOST DO.

[Diogee old]

Think about that one mate ;)

here download the sim try it yourself

http://themill3in1.com/downloads/dw-sim.zip

I have tested it many time in game using same strat each time the 1 token at a time has bested 10-20 at a time

[Nazkyn]

HellRaiser, I do a run of the mill junkie strat, i'm not about individual play like you, so no, I aint embarrassed.

Sorry, I missed your edit Diogee, i'm gonna have to try that lol (y)

[Diogee old]

well its been a log time sence if played machines in A so unless they have changed things (which i doubt) it should still work to play 1 at a time. generaly people are to lazy for one at a time so they do 5 or 10 and let the output be 173 or less then have to spend 5-20 tokens to get it back over 175which also tends to be more creds then needed again taking away from max output

[Nazkyn]

Yeah, you figured out TLB's secret strat :$

[Diogee old]

Yeah, you figured out TLB's secret strat :$


secret strat even if that was true about secret strat I used that strat almost 2 years ago.

as for TLB secret strat its junkies with right amount of books and knowing how many tokens to max performance

any person that spends their time doing the math should be able to figure it out

[Alf uckem]

http://www.veeshanvault.org/vv_drama.gif

I played with TLB for most of their rounds from the start and finished when they got the triple medal, to concentrate on OSM.

I did enjoy playing with you guys altough I will admit I let OSM slip whilst playing with you. Fair is fair you had a great run, the only thing I am gonna add to this is that it does seem that the "no attention whore" ruling is very misleading as it seems a few of the tlb players do think they are the dogs bollocks and when critisised even in a constructive manner you pass it off as a "stfu noob" "and you are?".

It seems when you are talking about getting suicided it a new thing, like OSM dont get it for every round they played. And I know it only happened for the past 2-3 rounds when people decided to try and knock the cartel down a peg or 2, through jealosy and cause with success comes hatred.

The difference between TLB and all other cartels was excellent organisation on tim, mike, charlie as the main admins and some players who could put some great scores in (not me though) and others who scored very consistently.

Anyways cheers tim and co for having me along for the ride, and I look forward to see what your future "B" games may hold:)

[HellRaiser]

I think you missed the entire point. How would we be able to gang up on you 20 to one if there are no cartels, no guns and no thugs? If you were smart enough to come up with your own strategy you could easily tell that the situation I described would make teaming up in anyway IMPOSSIBLE. SO I repeat and making things you so clearly missed the first time around in bold

There is no point to your contest, because part of the game is getting gunned. Were all playing in the same rounds as is, were all on the same ground, same elements. I already showed you as all I finish better then a majority of TLB, case closed lol...

In fact I'll just go ahead and attempt to point it out more clearly. I SAID EVEN TOKENS. Meaning that everyone in this game thats been aroung long enough and knows exactly what a machine strat can do and where one could be at at any point in the round. Your scores my friend throughout most of the round are clear as day AT LEAST 120 tokens ahead of anything possible for that day. What this all means is that all those scores you so proudly put up there dont mean shit if played on an EVEN TOKEN basis as I challenged you too.

Listen, whoever said I used machines each round for every round?
That is your assumption and many others... So your whole rant has no bearing. But let's just say for argument sake, 120 tokens more is the reason, last time I checked 120 tokens more is not exactly 8-10 million more in worth lol.

Secondly, let's not kid anyone, the winning cartel who gets gold and overall player which both happen to be TLB, gets donations which I am sure either one is benefiting from or divided up between you. So stating donations is the reason is a JOKE... I never seen anyone donate and win a room muchless finish consistently. Every seasoned player knows the whole donation issue as a crutch IS BOGUS... THE ONLY PEOPLE who will buy that propaganda is newbies...


And before you go and throw out the "I didn't donate" bs. I will make sure you're well aware that all your recently finished rounds can still be logged into by all game admin with all kinds of extra info and your tokens spent can be posted for all to see as I'm sure there are a few ignorant out there that don't know how to pick out the most obvious donators. And to prove I'm not bluffing here is a lil info I asked for about 6-8 months ago where I wanted to see how all-time junkie record holder nfc was able to get his 7000 junkies legitimately. It was still there at least 4 months after that round happened.

I never said I didn't donate in various rounds, but the donation is hardly so much to be viewed as any real reason of a solid finish, your beating a DEAD HORSE with this. I know hundreds of players who donate more then I do and still don't finish.

So, AGAIN, lets make this game happen. I'm not bluffing. I'm willing to pay the money for a private game as its one hell of an excuse to play one more round with my friends from TLB. But with all the money you put into this game I think you seem better off to pay for the game than I. Put up or shutup, and don't throw up anymore donation specials for all to see

Your too funny man, there is no need for a private room, we have A1 to A4 where all elements are there to either dive or succeed. If you can't handle all the elements not my problem, that is what makes the difference of being able to pull through.

Every person thats been around this game with half of a brain knows you cannott put up those scores running machines without donating in those cartels where damn near everyone runs machines. Take away those extra tokens and your machine strat is the same as everyone else's. Only a fucking tool would throw that shit up there and pretend to be proud of it.

Once again more speculation and pretending you know everything DR...
I don't have to PROVE ANYTHING, I ALREADY PROVED IT, what have you proved?
The only thing you proved is you can't beat me lol...
Ahhhhhhh jealousy will GET YOU NOWHERE LOL...

Carry on your frustrated rant, bravado superficial ego, supposed intelligence and your poor excuses of not being able to stand with me in any round. :)

Listen you want a competition?

I already know I am going to get gunned more this round because of this whole fiasco and so I know my score is going to dive. My own fault for adding drama.

BUT....

Next round you tell me which room A1 - A4 your playing, You tell me your SCREEN NAME AND CARTEL YOUR PLAYING FOR, I'll tell you mine. We go on a man's honor to not tell anyone who each of us is, to avoid un-neccessary FIXED GUNNING. Then whoever hits us is fair gunning and unknown to them... We pick our own strat and that doesn't need to be shared obviously but it can't be Trafficking... Then at the end we will see who finishes better, DEAL?

Then we will see what you have to say after that lol...

[Diogee old]

OHH AND THE STRAT THAT MAKES TLB THE BEST IS.........................









Teamwork, Organization, TRUST, and LOYALTY


EDIT: forgot just like REDS TLB wouldnt be anywhere without the founder and whoever helps with the running of tlb.

those are not easy tasks and every cartel that has ever one overall would not have done it without great deal of work and dedication.

[odd th0mas]

*starts day one of not eating*

noway, my intimate-one! :hellno:




you know me, i'm only trying to get a rise out of the natives!

[Dymond]

Every person thats been around this game with half of a brain knows you cannott put up those scores running machines without donating in those cartels where damn near everyone runs machines. Take away those extra tokens and your machine strat is the same as everyone else's. Only a fucking tool would throw that shit up there and pretend to be proud of it. You couldn't hit $129mil in 31 days running machines if you were the only one in a cartel running machines with 19 junkie players giving you optimum bennies.

*Dontaing is fine, but bragging about your donated scores is not

Dude..you were pwned! I wasn't gonna say anything but with your ass bragging like your a playa..you donated in every game..and even when you did you barely beat my machines scores where I DID NOT donate.

So quoted for emphasis!

PS..you really aren't that good w/o an extra $20 in your pocket..

[Drogaan]

wow i cant belive i just read all of this:| well it sucks to see you guys go but im happy cuz now hopefully osm will be back on top lol i dont really have anything against you guys your all pretty decent people but if you guys really didnt want to be noticed that much and dont wantto be hated you guys should have just dissapeared lol

Hellraiser i play with you and i know that you do donate and do use a machine strat nothing against you but without donating i dont think you could come close to those scores and you are just making yourself look bad

[kitty]

wow i cant belive i just read all of this:| well it sucks to see you guys go but im happy cuz now hopefully osm will be back on top lol i dont really have anything against you guys your all pretty decent people but if you guys really didnt want to be noticed that much and dont wantto be hated you guys should have just dissapeared lol

Hellraiser i play with you and i know that you do donate and do use a machine strat nothing against you but without donating i dont think you could come close to those scores and you are just making yourself look bad

(y) that made me chucklehttp://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3056/laugh4co5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[0siris]

good game TLB...good game

wish i coulda been around to be a part of TLB... good luck!

[HellRaiser]

[QUOTE=kitty Hellraiser i play with you and i know that you do donate and do use a machine strat nothing against you but without donating i dont think you could come close to those scores and you are just making yourself look bad[/QUOTE]

Kitty this is only partially in response to you, the rest is in general directed to no one specific...

Once again for the seeing and reading impaired lol...

I do not always do machines in every round.
I never claimed I never donated either, I do in small amounts.
No different then a majority of people playing this game.

To all those saying they don't do it, most are LIARS.... lol
But if it makes you feel better to ignore that reality to save face go ahead but we all know.
Certain scores proves it, because no matter the strat done only small differences in output make the difference.
The reality is no one wants to admit they donate but I KNOW many of you do, you all can deny it but you lie lol...

Once again the cartel winning GOLD and top overall player gets DONATIONS for the following round. WHAT DO YOU KNOW? THAT IS TLB for the last 5 rounds or so... So tell me who is recieving all that added BENEFITS? ONE PLAYER OR DIVIDED BETWEEN A FEW PLAYERS? But oh ya I forgot, you don't donate lol... TALK ABOUT HYPOCRITES...

My donation is hardly staggering and equals out to the majority of players who do. Talk about overkill on a donating issue lol... Some of ya peeps act like you can donate $100 and that is the reason why you win or finish better, BALONEY...

It has already been proven anyone who donates means SQUAT in the end. It takes an awfull lot of planning and smart choices of how you spend tokens at what amounts and what your doing that ultimately wins you a room or not, simple as that. How many of the so called naysayers here retorting to me even win a room muchless 2 or 3 rooms in any given round? Yes silence fills the air... Oh ya I forgot, you already told me it is because of the donations lol...

What do my naysayers hope to accomplish here?
Discredit me? Make me not worthy or respectable enough to be asked to join any cartels? lol.
Get real... I am probably one of the few players in this game in demand.
Oh damn, was that ego talking? NOPE, just REALITY...

The reality is most of my naysayers here, can't critique me so you have no other option to go to except the donating issue lol. HOW SAD AND PATHETIC ACTUALLY... Like I said before, the real players playing this game know the truth of what it takes to win a room and finish and the only people you can fool or manipulate to believe what you want is newbies... Sounds like a cult lol...

I gotta admit, the only fool here are the ones being made one by their own hurting pride posts. It shows... But hey by all means continue on lol...

In the end it all comes back to what PStyle said and you can't escape that.
So all your bantering and gloating and goatin only is affirmation to yourself of any value.
The only outside praise you get is by those who want to be on your good side for whatever reason.
Most are probably scared to speak their mind for retributions.

The majority of DW community knows better even if it is in silence. ;)

In the end TLB didn't become hated because you dominated, you became hated because of God complex superficial ego shoving it in everyone's faces. I just take most of the blame here because I started the first critique.

So don't blame me, BLAME YOURSELVES....

[tca]

I have to just make one point here, you said somewhere in amongst your dribble they act like dopewars elite, the people who created TLB and who ran it are as close to elite you will actually get in dopewars.

As for your argument they probably have never won a room outside of TLB, completey wrong, they've been winning rooms, overalls etc long before TLB came along, so that argument is pretty lukewarm.

Now i know you'll probably try some big drawn out comeback speech in here about it, but meh.

Oh and your an idiot for saying a majority of players donate, they don't. In this game i'd be suprised if anything over 20% donate.

[Buzzin]

SCORES GAME A ROUND 38...

Top 100 players (overall)

1 Covergirl $220,542,666 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
2 vegetarian tiger $181,370,542 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
3 Santeria $165,398,527 The Legitimate Businessmen A3
4 strum your nugget $161,555,077 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
5 L Tarnoff Syndrome $153,194,193 The Legitimate Businessmen A4
6 A rainbow in the underwear $144,923,326 The Legitimate Businessmen A3
7 Special Agent Steele $140,208,193 The Legitimate Businessmen A4
8 HellRaiser $129,530,513 De@th R()w Re$$erection A10
9 J.A.M. $127,922,808 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
10 HellRaiser $127,532,351 A4
11 HellRaiser $127,227,514 $Goodfellaz$ A12
12 Xilonen $127,056,989 The Legitimate Businessmen A3
14 Rosy Cheeks $125,962,892 The Legitimate Businessmen A2
15 HellRaiser $125,029,918 THE SILENT ASSASSINS A6
17 HellRaiser $124,661,261 UNTOUCHABLE A2
18 HellRaiser $122,945,626 Assassins Of Youth A3


You guys played again in 2 rounds and this time 7 of you beat me.
But all 7 used the trafficking narcotic strat. lol


Where do you get this info from mate? I take it that you are just assuming them top 7 players used the Dealing strat? Well i'll tell you one thing i know, 3 of them didn't. The three players in bold are my accounts, and if you think that i am going to do the drug dealing strat in THREE rooms in the same month, or even one room, you must be stupid.

Also, youre argument about donations not making a difference:

A) Why do you donate if it doesn't make any difference? Im sure it isn't just because you like the game so much you decide to give Rit $50 + per month.
B) Donating is just like having an extra day on everyone else. Even if you donated on the last day of the round, which is no way the best time to donate, thats like having an extra days tokens to every other player. Thats like you playing a 32 day round and most other players in the top 100 playing a 31 day round. I've been playing dopewars for nearly two years, and i've donated once, i can say that most of the people i play with donate about the same amount.

You can tell that you play a machine strat too mate, by the way that most of your scores are almost identical.

[Pot4life]

indeed lol

[DnD]

whatever happend to sportsmanship?

[Siphter]

whatever happend to sportsmanship?

It was eaten up and then spit out lol

[St.Michael]

It was eaten up and then spit out lol


Then I ate it again.

[Chiwen]

I read the first 2 pages, the 10th page, and the last. Brings an image to mind...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1943/cryingbaby774314is5.jpg


Btw, not to tute any horns but, The syndicate/The Illuminati did the same thing, mass back to back wins, first cartel to triple medal, first cartel to top 2million in A games, etc, only we didn't have a bug in the game to tinker with. We were cocky sure, but you guys are worse than anything I've seen. You guys are more arrogant after calling it quits then ever before, kinda funny, perhaps a coincidence eh? TLB is not the best cartel to ever play this game, IF you had to use some bug in the game. My hats off to you guys and girls, but there have been plenty of cartels before you, and will be plenty more after.

I'm not gonna take anything from TLB, either way. The medals were won, that much cannot be argued. As for how they were won, they can be argued, but whats the point, no more tears people. ;)

/END RANT

[HellRaiser]

Where do you get this info from mate? I take it that you are just assuming them top 7 players used the Dealing strat? Well i'll tell you one thing i know, 3 of them didn't. The three players in bold are my accounts, and if you think that i am going to do the drug dealing strat in THREE rooms in the same month, or even one room, you must be stupid.

Okay then only 4 players beat me then lol...
Thanks for clearing that up and giving me a better record against TLB players. ;)

But your trying to tell me and make everyone else believe you made those scores doing machines or junkies in a "A ROUND" with no black market? UH UH... That score is more realistic of a B Round. So either your lying about not using the narcotic strat or your lying about not donating. Sorry, but the math don't add up.


A) Why do you donate if it doesn't make any difference?

At the start it helps give an advantage but it is minimal. You have about a million worth lead on those that don't donate. BUT, this is hardly any amount that helps you win a room or finish SO MUCH HIGHER then most.


You can tell that you play a machine strat too mate, by the way that most of your scores are almost identical.

Yes, scores may be closer but that doesn't mean they are all a machine strats. Plus even if one decided to do every round as a machine strat, who cares? What does that got to do with anything being discussed here? It's all about finishing...


I have to just make one point here, you said somewhere in amongst your dribble they act like dopewars elite, the people who created TLB and who ran it are as close to elite you will actually get in dopewars.

Oh my gosh dude, were talking about a few players ATTITUDE not the whole cartel. I already stated my comments are not against all TLB players but only the ones shooting off with the mouth of how great they are. It seems to me for someone like yourself who enjoys reaming people online over smaller issues while stating your no big fan of them and enjoyed gunning them etc, your getting real good at kissing some of their asses lol. What's in it for you? lol


As for your argument they probably have never won a room outside of TLB, completey wrong, they've been winning rooms, overalls etc long before TLB came along, so that argument is pretty lukewarm.

A few maybe, but the majority, NOPE... By all means show me the players within TLB who won any "A" rooms outside TLB in any given round in the last 5 months who wasn't using the trafficking strat?

Now i know you'll probably try some big drawn out comeback speech in here about it, but meh.

Nope, no need too, just hit key comments and that's it lol...

Oh and your an idiot for saying a majority of players donate, they don't. In this game i'd be suprised if anything over 20% donate.

Tell me then, How can I be an idiot when YOU don't even know that answer yourself to state anything? At least I am going by the amount of people I talk to and by the many scores that clearly show donation was evident. Hell I know tons of gunners who donate to get gunning quicker...


Anyhow I am done with this topic, all has been said and retorted to.
It is becoming overkill.
Everyone already has made up their minds and opinions on this whole issue. Sadly by those opposing me proved my points even further without even knowing it. lol
BUT don't blame me or target me because the majority agree with me lol...

Now we all move on. Those of you retorting to me can go back to flaming, selling self esteem, gloating and goating others. ;)

Thanks for the laughs!

[BIATCH!!!]

hahaha...

Chiwen: Your ridiculous. You know for a fact that it would be the same god damned position if Synd/Illum. had done this well. Your my bro, but to say that we are being cry babies is basically what the ones who are arguing with us right now and the opposite of the defending TLB-ers.

HellRaiser: Just STFU already. I will make this very straightforward and not pad this anymore because I can tell your too ignorant to understand what people are trying to tell you and you keep reiterating the same thing. Your an idiot who only wants people to prove shit to you. You should try proving your own shit before edmanding others to do the same.

[Envron]

All i have to say is TLB sucks... Each and every one of you ;) You won't be missed either.... really... err... ummm...

[Ridgeback]

BUT don't blame me or target me because the majority agree with me lol...

I want to know who this majority are?

[KuRtZ]

I want to know who this majority are?

I want to know why this thread is still going, i'm pretty sure all the points of argument were covered on the first page. :wall:

... Like I said before, the real players playing this game know the truth of what it takes to win a room and finish and the only people you can fool or manipulate to believe what you want is newbies...

then why are you trying so hard to impress the newbies

[EL C.]

timing is everything! lol!

also, coincidentally, this was professor crunk's last round too! he knew the gig was up and staged micheal jordon-esque retirement to avoid the inevitable fall back to normalcy due to rule change!




personally, i enjoyed having em around and all gunners sharing a common enemy. the problem being, tho, was by exploiting this 'glitch' they became invinsible to any gunner cartel(s).

WHAT A DIRTY WAY TO WIN THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELFM NOT ONLY WINNING BUT TOTING THEIR HORNS ABOUT IT, THAT IS WRONG, THEY SHOULD TAKE THOSE MEDALS AWAY FOR CHEATING8o|

[St.Michael]

hahaha...

Chiwen: Your ridiculous. You know for a fact that it would be the same god damned position if Synd/Illum. had done this well. Your my bro, but to say that we are being cry babies is basically what the ones who are arguing with us right now and the opposite of the defending TLB-ers.

HellRaiser: Just STFU already. I will make this very straightforward and not pad this anymore because I can tell your too ignorant to understand what people are trying to tell you and you keep reiterating the same thing. Your an idiot who only wants people to prove shit to you. You should try proving your own shit before edmanding others to do the same.


Shit, I think he has proved his shit. So whats up with all the shit...talk. Shit.

[Dymond]

A few maybe, but the majority, NOPE... By all means show me the players within TLB who won any "A" rooms outside TLB in any given round in the last 5 months who wasn't using the trafficking strat?


Game A: Round 35 Scores (April 2006)
26 Overall Sea Chicken $109,392,937 Sinoloa Source A12 <-- All Machine..no donations..NONE..NADA..ZIP..ZILCH

I say this cause two rounds later you came and beat me in A12 by dropping a lil something something in Rits pocket a 1/2 hour before round end.. Wanna guess how much I donated in that game?? $0.00

You asked :-)

[Eyez Neverclear]

I do not always do machines in every round.
I never claimed I never donated either, I do in small amounts.
No different then a majority of people playing this game.

To all those saying they don't do it, most are LIARS.... lol
But if it makes you feel better to ignore that reality to save face go ahead but we all know.
Certain scores proves it, because no matter the strat done only small differences in output make the difference.
The reality is no one wants to admit they donate but I KNOW many of you do, you all can deny it but you lie lol...


OMFG how many times in one thread can you open your mouth up and sound like a complete tool. You had said something in a previous post about noobs thinking that the winners always donate and thats true. Think of it as stage one in the acclamation to this game. But stage two is when some tools out there actually start to believe thats the case and they start donating every round to compete with all the best players. When really all the best playerrs out there dont spend a penny on this game because they all have the ability to think for themselves and they can continuoulsy crack the top50 overall and win rooms without donating. In the end not nearly as many good scores come from donations as many newer players think. Sure most players in this game have at some point donated. I've done it myself 3 times in the 2+ years in the game. But the best players in this game win without donating and they all know thats the case.

I can only assume that you like percentages after your random toss of 98% not that long ago, so I'll do the same. 100% of all the players that competed in the last all-star game have donated less than $40 to the game in the last year they have played. You top that in less than 2 accounts per round.

And you're right about certain scores out there do prove that you've donated. Your's are a great example, but clearly you haven't yet mastered the art of being able to tell yet when you call your donations small amount and can't recognize that half of the scores you say are clearly donated to get to are really rather easy to get to with the right junkie strat under the right circumstances. Hence the reason all the best cartels and players run plenty of junkie strats.

[tca]

Oh my gosh dude, were talking about a few players ATTITUDE not the whole cartel. I already stated my comments are not against all TLB players but only the ones shooting off with the mouth of how great they are. It seems to me for someone like yourself who enjoys reaming people online over smaller issues while stating your no big fan of them and enjoyed gunning them etc, your getting real good at kissing some of their asses lol. What's in it for you? lol


Thanks for the laughs!

Firstly, I never gunned them ;) i don't gun in A games, when i do it's very rare and i would of had trouble breaking them as stated by cam (Death and Destruction) earlier in the thread, they had a very strong defence.

Secondly, i don't kiss ass. Call it what you want but i just give respect where respect is due, i play with some of TLB have before they came along and will after they go, the players i play with were consistant as piss long before TLB came around. Sure the games of these players will be more refined since playing with TLB but thats the same as any cartel, Reds warriors players become better with the cartel, Daqqers players, OSM etc. I could go on but i made the point there

Thirdly, the bit in italic, your welcome. ;)

[Buzzin]

HellRaiser, you seem to have contradicted yourself here.

First you said:

So either your lying about not using the narcotic strat or your lying about not donating. Sorry, but the math don't add up.

First you said that if i had donated then it would've helped me get them high scores

At the start it helps give an advantage but it is minimal. You have about a million worth lead on those that don't donate. BUT, this is hardly any amount that helps you win a room or finish SO MUCH HIGHER then most.

You then said, that donating helps at the start but not as much at the end.


Hmmmmmmm

[GankOne]

Just a few points after reading all of this drivel...

1) All of you haters calling TLB players "babies" and "arrogant elitists", where the fuck do you get off? Jake starts a thread to let everyone know that TLB has decided to retire, then a bunch of haters come in trashing the accomplishments that TLB members worked their asses off to obtain, then the same haters call them arrogant crybabies for defending themselves and their fellow teammates? Any of you would do the same, if you wouldn't, why would anyone want you on their team in the first place?

2) I've played with just about every one of the DW "elite" cartels, and with or without the trafficking strat, TLB is the best I've ever played for. All of the vets in this game know all of the same strats, there are great players in every cartel, what seperates TLB is the teamwork and organization that went into every round.

3) Hellraiser, you're completely and utterly full of shit. You play a vanilla machine strat with a $20 donation every round and think that makes you a great player? You act like a donation increases your score by a flat rate, in reality, a decent strat with a donation improves the score exponentially, don't act like it's a tiny difference. I'm sure you're a good player and all, but if you ran that strat sans donations, your scores would just blend in with all of the rest. I've donated $10 total in 18 months, and I would say that's a lot more than a lot of players in that same amount of time. I would venture to say that I am probably the weakest "A" gamer that played for TLB. So...pick a room, you run your best strat and I'll run mine, one condition... NO DONATING, and we'll see who comes out on top. Just let me know when and where.

[-=|[GaNgStA-RePz]|=-]

wow TLB has made another record

Record is that they have the most replies ever made in a thread made for a caretl retireing

[St.Michael]

Just a few points after reading all of this drivel...

1) All of you haters calling TLB players "babies" and "arrogant elitists", where the fuck do you get off? Jake starts a thread to let everyone know that TLB has decided to retire, then a bunch of haters come in trashing the accomplishments that TLB members worked their asses off to obtain, then the same haters call them arrogant crybabies for defending themselves and their fellow teammates? Any of you would do the same, if you wouldn't, why would anyone want you on their team in the first place?

2) I've played with just about every one of the DW "elite" cartels, and with or without the trafficking strat, TLB is the best I've ever played for. All of the vets in this game know all of the same strats, there are great players in every cartel, what seperates TLB is the teamwork and organization that went into every round.

3) Hellraiser, you're completely and utterly full of shit. You play a vanilla machine strat with a $20 donation every round and think that makes you a great player? You act like a donation increases your score by a flat rate, in reality, a decent strat with a donation improves the score exponentially, don't act like it's a tiny difference. I'm sure you're a good player and all, but if you ran that strat sans donations, your scores would just blend in with all of the rest. I've donated $10 total in 18 months, and I would say that's a lot more than a lot of players in that same amount of time. I would venture to say that I am probably the weakest "A" gamer that played for TLB. So...pick a room, you run your best strat and I'll run mine, one condition... NO DONATING, and we'll see who comes out on top. Just let me know when and where.


Just shut up and retire.

[DeMoN69]

TLB has retired why are you telling Gank to retire? Did he ever say he was retiring?

[St.Michael]

TLB has retired why are you telling Gank to retire?


First off, who doesn't wanna retire? Your life then becomes all play and no work.

Secondly, he might as well be in TLB with his ego as big as it is. All I got out of his reply was "I'm good, your not" and "I challenge you to a duel to further boost my ego and prove my point".


Look, I don't know who TLB is nor do I care. Wow congrats you made a few records on an online text based internet game, all that proves is you have no life. If hellraiser wants to play every round with a 10, 20, 30 dollar donation then let him, if you know your better than him you shouldn't have to challenge him to a private game (unless you have to rub it in someones face, which seems to be a trend among members, that your better than him).

In closing, TLB you found a strategy that nobody else had and you perfected it. So good job on being organized and winning all those medals.

[Calienta]

In closing, TLB you found a strategy that nobody else had and you perfected it. So good job on being organized and winning all those medals.


Just being nitpicky Michael... TLB didn't have a strat nobody else had, in fact someone in OSM was running it one of the rounds A-D was. :)

[GankOne]

First off, who doesn't wanna retire? Your life then becomes all play and no work.

Secondly, he might as well be in TLB with his ego as big as it is. All I got out of his reply was "I'm good, your not" and "I challenge you to a duel to further boost my ego and prove my point".


Look, I don't know who TLB is nor do I care. Wow congrats you made a few records on an online text based internet game, all that proves is you have no life. If hellraiser wants to play every round with a 10, 20, 30 dollar donation then let him, if you know your better than him you shouldn't have to challenge him to a private game (unless you have to rub it in someones face, which seems to be a trend among members, that your better than him).

In closing, TLB you found a strategy that nobody else had and you perfected it. So good job on being organized and winning all those medals.

Listen moron, "boost my ego"? I say I'm the worst A game player in the cartel, and I'm tooting my own horn, boosting my ego, displaying my arrogance??? Can you not read, or are you just dense? He's challenged the players in TLB in this thread, so I was accepting the challenge. Did I say a single thing about a private game? Did I rub anything in anybody's face? Did I say i was better than Hellraiser? I must have missed all of that. Anyway, by my logic, if he's better than 90% of the players in TLB, and I'm the worst player in TLB, he should be able to beat me.

In the future, you should probably try to read a post before replying to it with a bunch of irrelevant bullshit.

[St.Michael]

Listen moron, "boost my ego"? I say I'm the worst A game player in the cartel, and I'm tooting my own horn, boosting my ego, displaying my arrogance??? Can you not read, or are you just dense? He's challenged the players in TLB in this thread, so I was accepting the challenge. Did I say a single thing about a private game? Did I rub anything in anybody's face? Did I say i was better than Hellraiser? I must have missed all of that. Anyway, by my logic, if he's better than 90% of the players in TLB, and I'm the worst player in TLB, he should be able to beat me.

In the future, you should probably try to read a post before replying to it with a bunch of irrelevant bullshit.


No reason for name calling, it just discredits your post. It seems we got two completely different views from what you said, either way I don't recall you being the designated defender of TLB. Logically, if he's better than 90% of TLB and your the worse then why would you challenge him to a game knowing your gonna lose? In fact there's no logic in that statement at all. Being a martyr is swell in concept, but hardly anyone wants to be one. So good on ya if you are that passionate about TLB.


Just being nitpicky Michael... TLB didn't have a strat nobody else had, in fact someone in OSM was running it one of the rounds A-D was. :)


Shows how much I know :P

[steff]

Just a few points after reading all of this drivel...

1) All of you haters calling TLB players "babies" and "arrogant elitists", where the fuck do you get off? Jake starts a thread to let everyone know that TLB has decided to retire, then a bunch of haters come in trashing the accomplishments that TLB members worked their asses off to obtain, then the same haters call them arrogant crybabies for defending themselves and their fellow teammates? Any of you would do the same, if you wouldn't, why would anyone want you on their team in the first place?

But you see, it's only TLB that cares that TLB are gone. You get a few others who don't know the full story and congratulate you but that's about it. How can you say most of TLB aren't arrogant? I never thought I'd see any cartel more arrogant than Red's Warriors in their prime but congratulations, you guys win. Same way with I never thought I'd find a more irritating cartel than :SA: Banjo. This thread was created with the sole reason to create drama, if Jake never knew this is the way the thread would turn out then he wants his head checked so don't complain when you get the drama. It also keeps dying down then some TLB member makes a big speech (in this case, you!)

|=-']wow TLB has made another record

Record is that they have the most replies ever made in a thread made for a caretl retireing

*waits for more signatures to be made*

In closing, TLB you found a strategy that nobody else had and you perfected it. So good job on being organized and winning all those medals.

No they didn't. They did perfect it, or anti-duck did rather. But the perfecting it contained bug exploitation as far as I'm concerned. :smartass: [How many times does it say you can visit the dealer? 3 times! How many times did those drug sellers visit? 4 times! That adds a big part of the worth, and so did any donations made]

Just being nitpicky Michael... TLB didn't have a strat nobody else had, in fact someone in OSM was running it one of the rounds A-D was.:)

Just being nitpicky... what cartel does everyone associate Bellows with? Red's, he played for OSM and ran it one round. Does one round compare to however many your lot ran it for? No, as more than one person ran a form of drug selling at different points.



:spike:

[St.Michael]

No they didn't. They did perfect it, or anti-duck did rather. But the perfecting it contained bug exploitation as far as I'm concerned. :smartass: [How many times does it say you can visit the dealer? 3 times! How many times did those drug sellers visit? 4 times! That adds a big part of the worth, and so did any donations made


I conceded the fact that I didnt know exactly what strategy AD or the rest of TLB used. I havn't been around long enough to know that, but what I do know is that its members don't let their accomplishments speak for themselves.


I'm not going to say that all TLB act this way but so far its been piss poor representation.

[RobCheadle]

Look, I don't know who TLB is nor do I care.

Why even read this thread then, let alone post in it! :|

[Kloaked Spirit]

Because it's the internet! I must speak on the internet!

[St.Michael]

Why even read this thread then, let alone post in it! :|

Because I like flaming people.

[Phuquit]

TLB FAQ


Q: Why are TLB making a gloating thread?
A: They're not. This thread was simply made to let everyone know that we've moved on.

Q: Why do TLB's players have those sigs if they're not arrogant?
A: Some of our players wanted to update the TLB graphic to incorporate some of our achievements. If your cartel had done what TLB have done, you'd probably update your sig too.
Besides - it's not like TLB didn't do any of those things in the sigs...

Q: Isn't it true that TLB are retiring because the trafficking strat has been changed?
A: No - the decision to retire the cartel was made over 2 months ago, and was in no way precipitated by any rule changes.

Q: Isn't it true that TLB only won their medals because of the trafficking strat?
A: Nonsense.
Round 35 - TLB won gold with nobody trafficking
Round 36 - TLB won gold with one trafficker. Subtract his score from the cartel score, and TLB still finish first overall
Round 37 - TLB won gold with one trafficker. Replace him with one of our 2 reserves, and TLB still finish first overall
Round 38 - TLB triple medalled. Remove the trafficker (overall winner) from the gold medal cartel, and it's still in first place overall. Replace the traffickers in the minor medal cartels with one of our 2 reserves, and TLB still triple medal.
Round 39 - TLB won gold with one trafficker. Replace every trafficker in the round with a reserve, and TLB still finish first overall

Q: Isn't the trafficking strat cheating?
A: Hardly. It has always been perfectly legal. If you check the game's own playing guide (http://www.oddthought.com/wiki/index.php?title=DopeWars_Online_Guide), you will see that trafficking is the first strategy listed.

Q: So why does Steff keep saying that you cheated?
A: Steff is unhappy that there is a bug in the game's code which allows a 4th trip to the dealer. He's known about it forever, since Daqq's have been using it since before the dawn of time in their B games.
As I pointed out above, TLB would still have won gold in rounds 36 and 38 even if our trafficker was deleted. This means we'd still have won gold in those rounds with only 19 players in the cartel! Of course, it's been a long time since the cartel that Steff runs has had 20 players at the end of the round...

Q: Is HellRaiser better than you?
A: Don't make me laugh!
Seriously - he's asked for players who regularly win multiple rooms in a round to answer him... Well I'm your huckleberry!
As somebody else has pointed out in this thread, I once won 9 rooms in a single round - something I did without donating (although I did receive a friendly donation in one of those games).
But I was regularly winning multiple rooms in A games even before that (without donating), and doing it with different strats too - machines, junkies, and even gunning.
I have sent him mathematical proof of what a $20 donation does to enhance a machine strat, so don't let him tell you that it's not in the ballpark of $7million+ in worth.
If you look at his current scores this round, he's around $6 million ahead of non-donating machinists already, which seems to indicate multiple donating (one extra day's tokens at this stage of the round does not equal $6million in worth for someone running machines who already has their books - yeah, he's already held the home ec creds record)

Q: Looks like I was wrong about TLB. Will you accept an apology?
A: Fuck you and your cat...



If I've missed anything relevant, please let me know.

[St.Michael]

TLB FAQ


Q: Why are TLB making a gloating thread?
A: They're not. This thread was simply made to let everyone know that we've moved on.

Q: Why do TLB's players have those sigs if they're not arrogant?
A: Some of our players wanted to update the TLB graphic to incorporate some of our achievements. If your cartel had done what TLB have done, you'd probably update your sig too.
Besides - it's not like TLB didn't do any of those things in the sigs...

Q: Isn't it true that TLB are retiring because the trafficking strat has been changed?
A: No - the decision to retire the cartel was made over 2 months ago, and was in no way precipitated by any rule changes.

Q: Isn't it true that TLB only won their medals because of the trafficking strat?
A: Nonsense.
Round 35 - TLB won gold with nobody trafficking
Round 36 - TLB won gold with one trafficker. Subtract his score from the cartel score, and TLB still finish first overall
Round 37 - TLB won gold with one trafficker. Replace him with one of our 2 reserves, and TLB still finish first overall
Round 38 - TLB triple medalled. Remove the trafficker (overall winner) from the gold medal cartel, and it's still in first place overall. Replace the traffickers in the minor medal cartels with one of our 2 reserves, and TLB still triple medal.
Round 39 - TLB won gold with one trafficker. Replace every trafficker in the round with a reserve, and TLB still finish first overall

Q: Isn't the trafficking strat cheating?
A: Hardly. It has always been perfectly legal. If you check the game's own playing guide (http://www.oddthought.com/wiki/index.php?title=DopeWars_Online_Guide), you will see that trafficking is the first strategy listed.

Q: So why does Steff keep saying that you cheated?
A: Steff is unhappy that there is a bug in the game's code which allows a 4th trip to the dealer. He's known about it forever, since Daqq's have been using it since before the dawn of time in their B games.
As I pointed out above, TLB would still have won gold in rounds 36 and 38 even if our trafficker was deleted. This means we'd still have won gold in those rounds with only 19 players in the cartel! Of course, it's been a long time since the cartel that Steff runs has had 20 players at the end of the round...

Q: Is HellRaiser better than you?
A: Don't make me laugh!
Seriously - he's asked for players who regularly win multiple rooms in a round to answer him... Well I'm your huckleberry!
As somebody else has pointed out in this thread, I once won 9 rooms in a single round - something I did without donating (although I did receive a friendly donation in one of those games).
But I was regularly winning multiple rooms in A games even before that (without donating), and doing it with different strats too - machines, junkies, and even gunning.
I have sent him mathematical proof of what a $20 donation does to enhance a machine strat, so don't let him tell you that it's not in the ballpark of $7million+ in worth.
If you look at his current scores this round, he's around $6 million ahead of non-donating machinists already, which seems to indicate multiple donating (one extra day's tokens at this stage of the round does not equal $6million in worth for someone running machines who already has their books - yeah, he's already held the home ec creds record)

Q: Looks like I was wrong about TLB. Will you accept an apology?
A: Fuck you and your cat...



If I've missed anything relevant, please let me know.




looks like you covered just about everything thats already been covered.

[steff]

Q: So why does Steff keep saying that you cheated?
A: Steff is unhappy that there is a bug in the game's code which allows a 4th trip to the dealer. He's known about it forever, since Daqq's have been using it since before the dawn of time in their B games.
As I pointed out above, TLB would still have won gold in rounds 36 and 38 even if our trafficker was deleted. This means we'd still have won gold in those rounds with only 19 players in the cartel! Of course, it's been a long time since the cartel that Steff runs has had 20 players at the end of the round...

Get your facts right and/or stop listening to Tim who first used this argument.

To be honest I only ever used it when I messed up and had 0 visits remaining. I never had the guts to try it at other times as I never even knew there was a 4th dealer visit. I thought it was to do with me accidentally viewing the dealer page more than once so I really had one left.

Cartel strength swung it for you, simple as. His worth was as if you had 2-3 extra people.

True, but I wasn't supposed to deal with any reset. It was always supposed to be one of the other admin. One on a decent timezone. One time one of the admins did turn up but never even bothered to form OSM. He said he didn't think OSM could have pulled anything off so never formed.

looks like you covered just about everything thats already been covered.

Like I said, they are just keeping it going for the drama.

[Phuquit]

Cartel strength swung it for you, simple as. His worth was as if you had 2-3 extra people.
Well fyi, we had 19 players in the A1 cartel for almost the entire round, and one of them was inactive.
And, if memory serves, we were playing as TLB - out in the open - in tiger territory.
So what if we had one player who was immune from gunners after the first week? The rest of us still got gunned daily...



And of course my earlier post was all about continuing the drama, and was in no way an attempt to respond in a cogent and systematic way to the ridiculous allegations being levelled against TLB and its members...

[steff]

The only thing ridiculous are your "no attention whores" signature.

[Ridgeback]

Q: So why does Steff keep saying that you cheated?
A: Steff is unhappy that there is a bug in the game's code which allows a 4th trip to the dealer. He's known about it forever, since Daqq's have been using it since before the dawn of time in their B games.


Do we? First I've heard of it David :| I tried it once a few rounds ago and it didn't give me an extra visit, so I've never tried since.

[St.Michael]

And of course my earlier post was all about continuing the drama, and was in no way an attempt to respond in a cogent and systematic way to the ridiculous allegations being levelled against TLB and its members...


You hear that in a movie somewhere? Just switch around names and such? Kinda sounds like a quote from law and order from some lawyer.

[Nazkyn]

Phuquit is a has been... like the rest of TLB and they can't take it, period.

[Dymond]

You hear that in a movie somewhere? Just switch around names and such? Kinda sounds like a quote from law and order from some lawyer.

Ya know St. Mikey.. I admit your a pretty smart guy..but I wouldn't try stacking yourself against Phuquit, you'll be more than a few chips short in the IQ department..

[Lontan]

You hear that in a movie somewhere? Just switch around names and such? Kinda sounds like a quote from law and order from some lawyer.
Attacking someone for using good language in an argument is kind of like hitting yourself in the face.

[St.Michael]

Attacking someone for using good language in an argument is kind of like hitting yourself in the face.


It was ment as a compliment, he sounded like a lawyer.



Ya know St. Mikey.. I admit your a pretty smart guy..but I wouldn't try stacking yourself against Phuquit, you'll be more than a few chips short in the IQ department..


I like a challenge. Plus I have the force :P.


*St.Michael force slaps Dymond*...lol

[HellRaiser]

LOL, come back a few days later and still some of you ranting and raving by my posts. :spam:

Geeeeee, I don't know if I have enough time to retort to every single TLB player or their fans lol.
Well, let's try and fit you all in, if I missed you, then you were not important enough to respond to.

I want to know who this majority are?

Oh, well let's see, I am sorry, I didn't have counter to click for every player who messaged me with praise for attacking those players oversized ego's. If you care to send me a counter, I will use it next time for any post that critiques and causes a hail storm. :P


Q: Is HellRaiser better than you?
A: Don't make me laugh!
Seriously - he's asked for players who regularly win multiple rooms in a round to answer him... Well I'm your huckleberry!
As somebody else has pointed out in this thread, I once won 9 rooms in a single round - something I did without donating (although I did receive a friendly donation in one of those games).
But I was regularly winning multiple rooms in A games even before that (without donating), and doing it with different strats too - machines, junkies, and even gunning.

WOW, impressive... I believe I asked for those players to make a statement in regards to the last 5 months showing victories in multiple rooms. I only been here for 5 months. Anything before that time means squat to me, I wasn't here to compete. Secondly, if you won 9 rounds without donating, their must of been a lot of players who didn't know how to play lol. Because I don't see you winning any rooms in the last 5 months. Why is that great one?

Like I said before, your just another one added to the list of ego TLB maniacs.

I have sent him mathematical proof of what a $20 donation does to enhance a machine strat, so don't let him tell you that it's not in the ballpark of $7million+ in worth.

No one is arguing that point, but then again as I already repsonded to you privately in our little conversation, it also begs the question if all those who did use a machine strat finish in the same ballpark, I think it is pretty evident ( unless your a moron ) that you either donated or someone donated to you. Because last I checked everyone gets the same amount of tokens in any given game and no matter how you do a machine strat it should be relatively similiar.

In regards to TLB players, no one still has answered my question, where did the donations go to for the GOLD overall and overall player? Who benefited from those donations? How many got it divided up? By all means tell... lol


If you look at his current scores this round, he's around $6 million ahead of non-donating machinists already, which seems to indicate multiple donating (one extra day's tokens at this stage of the round does not equal $6 million in worth for someone running machines who already has their books - yeah, he's already held the home ec creds record).

Wow, how many rounds are you claiming you know I am running in to state this?
Last I checked you or anyone else can only state in A3.
If you want to use your admin powers and tell where I am in any other round, kinda abuse of power.
Secondly, where am I, 6 million ahead of anyone else?
Thirdly, how do you know how many books I have to state that?
How you know I haven't been pumping credits in small amounts with the books I aquired along the way?

Listen, I am honored that you or anyone else spends so much time focusing on me and my doings lol. For you or anyone else to pay so much attention to me in so many posts is amazing, especially considering your all claiming I'm either ignorant, stupid, know nothing or can't play etc... I believe that is called being a masochist lol. :-#

Q: Looks like I was wrong about TLB. Will you accept an apology?
A: Fuck you and your cat...

Hehehe, You would first have to get an apology to state that lol.
Are you clairvoyant or do you just have hallucinations fo grandeur? :|
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Okay so I can't see anymore posts on this specific page relating to me, move on to the next for more arrogant entertainment to respond to lol

[steff]

http://www.photopost.com/photopost/data/500/756die.jpg

[HellRaiser]

OMFG how many times in one thread can you open your mouth up and sound like a complete tool.

Oh, I can answer that for you. As many times as morons like you keep responding using more ego, insult, propaganda and bullshit. (y)

You had said something in a previous post about noobs thinking that the winners always donate and thats true. Think of it as stage one in the acclamation to this game. But stage two is when some tools out there actually start to believe thats the case and they start donating every round to compete with all the best players. When really all the best playerrs out there dont spend a penny on this game because they all have the ability to think for themselves and they can continuoulsy crack the top50 overall and win rooms without donating.

Why are you saying all this when it reflects yourself? lol
It's not very nice to call yourself a tool. But hey I give ya some credit.
The first step to change is admitting, well done. :)
Though I don't think you can change your appearance of looking like a tool.

Listen sport, no matter what strat one does, in the end all top scores should be relatively close with the only difference being cartel efforts. I don't care how long ya played or not, everyone gets the same tokens, find it hard to believe any scores of a donation can be similiar to those non-donating.

In the end not nearly as many good scores come from donations as many newer players think. Sure most players in this game have at some point donated. I've done it myself 3 times in the 2+ years in the game. But the best players in this game win without donating and they all know thats the case.

WOW, IF THAT IS THE CASE TELL ME THEN, WHY DO I KEEP WINNING? LOL
Where is all these best non-donater players?
It is quite obvious you have no fucking clue what your saying.

And you're right about certain scores out there do prove that you've donated. Your's are a great example, but clearly you haven't yet mastered the art of being able to tell yet when you call your donations small amount and can't recognize that half of the scores you say are clearly donated to get to are really rather easy to get to with the right junkie strat under the right circumstances.

True, but then again how do you or anyone else know I am not doing the same?
What makes you or anyone assume differently, just because I have vests?
Last i checked, vests are bought daily by junkie players.
I don't share my strat with anyone, so how could you or anyone know what I am doing in any round, past or present?
I am glad you and the rest are not on trial, your evidence is pathetic enough to be thrown out lol.

HellRaiser, you seem to have contradicted yourself here.

First you said:

So either your lying about not using the narcotic strat or your lying about not donating. Sorry, but the math don't add up.

First you said that if i had donated then it would've helped me get them high scores

At the start it helps give an advantage but it is minimal. You have about a million worth lead on those that don't donate. BUT, this is hardly any amount that helps you win a room or finish SO MUCH HIGHER then most.

You then said, that donating helps at the start but not as much at the end.


Hmmmmmmm

Not really, a donation will run you to a certain score roundabout regardless what ya do.
To get scores like yourself, kinda obvious you trafficked lol.
Thanks for clearing that up. ;)

[DeMoN69]

everyone gets the same tokens,




Not true.

[HellRaiser]

Just a few points after reading all of this drivel...

1) All of you haters calling TLB players "babies" and "arrogant elitists", where the fuck do you get off? Jake starts a thread to let everyone know that TLB has decided to retire, then a bunch of haters come in trashing the accomplishments that TLB members worked their asses off to obtain, then the same haters call them arrogant crybabies for defending themselves and their fellow teammates?

Whoah there cowboy, Your going to have a stroke lol.
Listen, your friend Jake there didn't start this post to say goodbye for TLB.
He started the post which is QUITE OBVIOUS to rile people up and portray more bullshit ego. Your beating a dead horse with this one, the only ones who will agree with you are those TLB players OBVIOUSLY. Everyone else see's the post for what it truly is about. If one or some are going to try and be elitists and goat people on and gloat to boot, you deserve what you get. TLB players only came to retort and defend when they realized they were being dissed for their own discretions lol.

Hellraiser, you're completely and utterly full of shit. You play a vanilla machine strat with a $20 donation every round and think that makes you a great player? You act like a donation increases your score by a flat rate, in reality, a decent strat with a donation improves the score exponentially, don't act like it's a tiny difference. I'm sure you're a good player and all, but if you ran that strat sans donations, your scores would just blend in with all of the rest. I've donated $10 total in 18 months, and I would say that's a lot more than a lot of players in that same amount of time. I would venture to say that I am probably the weakest "A" gamer that played for TLB. So...pick a room, you run your best strat and I'll run mine, one condition... NO DONATING, and we'll see who comes out on top. Just let me know when and where.

Dude, the only people who are full of shit here are the ones who shot off their mouth in the first place along with their propaganda logo's, needing to re-affirm their supremecy and doing so with over exhuberent ego's. If these certain individuals already had a HEALTHY EGO, they wouldn't need to push it anyone face. So it is obvious these individuals are lacking any real power or success in their REAL LIFE so they need to go online and make it lol... My posts only reflected that negative aspect and in doing so all the responses that came from that PROVED IT EVEN MORE. So if anyone is to blame or being a crybaby it is them, BECAUSE TRUTH HURTS lol.

As for your challenge lol, listen little trooper, who the hell are you anyway? lol
Do you think your the first to challenge me? I got a long list lol.
When ya win a few rooms, let me know, you will have EARNED the right to challenge me.
Until then, GET IN LINE... ;)

But you see, it's only TLB that cares that TLB are gone. You get a few others who don't know the full story and congratulate you but that's about it. How can you say most of TLB aren't arrogant? I never thought I'd see any cartel more arrogant than Red's Warriors in their prime but congratulations, you guys win. Same way with I never thought I'd find a more irritating cartel than :SA: Banjo. This thread was created with the sole reason to create drama, if Jake never knew this is the way the thread would turn out then he wants his head checked so don't complain when you get the drama. It also keeps dying down then some TLB member makes a big speech (in this case, you!)

Exactly Steff, too bad some TLB players and NOOBS can't see that lol.
But don't blame them, it's not their fault their arrogant or need praise.
That's what happens, when mother's don't feed their babies from the tap. :P
They grow up wanting attention and need praise and love lol.

[Phuquit]

a bunch of specious arguments loaded with contradictions
All that you've managed to prove is that you're a moron...

A wise man once gave me a piece of advice which I will now heed.
He told me "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."