Recreating the "big bang"

[Berzerker]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=325&objectid=10400645


Discuss..

This is amazing. I wonder what will happen

[the squid of despair]

Interesting. I was actually reading about the big bang on my own today. I find it a bit odd that people think the universe started out as one tiny spec and somehow exploded into the universe. I guess we can assume this partical existed for all of eternity? What created that partical?

As for the machine, I don't think it will work. Scientists really have no clue how the universe was started. They can do all of the experiments that they want, but will never truly know. All knowlege is man made, things are only as they are because "Experts" say so, and we believe it.

If it does work, I could see the end of the world. Scientists say the universe is constantly expanding, so once a universe is created, can we stop it from growing? What would happen when 2 universe's collide? I don't see how even a "Mini black hole" could be safe. Not even light can escape a black hole, and we're not 100% that they even exist. I like the odds they give for it not destroying the world. How the heck do you come up with those odds, when they readily admit they don't know what will happen.

[hoos]

Pick a number killaho, that's how they come up with the odds.

I'm as skeptical as you because i don't believe that what they are doing will yield knowledgeable results. Oh yes they will have results, but I do not believe the scientists over at CERN will know what they are looking at. If they knew that, they'd know what they were looking at in space as well, and they don't know that.

[Mikey:)]

Its hard to get tangible results when looking into space, I think its a great idea to try to recreate events here instead.



Does that particle accelerator remind anyone else of stargate?

[Cowboy From Hell]

try reading "The Universe in a Nutshell", and "History of Time (From the Big Bang to Balck Holes)" both by Stephen Hawking.

both are a written in "simple language" (as if quantum physics can be simple) and give a general idea where we are in this kind of knowledge and where we might be headed to.

[Bellows]

this is another great book on the subject

Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets -- 2nd Edition (1999)
by Dr. Tom Van Flandern

http://metaresearch.org/publications/books/books.asp

[DnD]

Interesting. I was actually reading about the big bang on my own today. I find it a bit odd that people think the universe started out as one tiny spec and somehow exploded into the universe. I guess we can assume this partical existed for all of eternity? What created that partical?

if everything did start as one entity, i dont think it could be considered a particle, or tiny, without anything else to compare it to. and for it to exist for all of eternity implies time, and time (and other dimensions) may have been one of the things spontaneously created at the supposed big bang.

and am I the only one a little frightened at Scientists trying to recreat big bangs? what happens if they trigger some unforseen reaction and destroy everything as we know it? :S

[Calienta]

This is mentioned in Angels and Demons is it not? They use a source of energy and they recreated the Big Bang, thus creating anti-matter, which is matter's direct opposite (apparently everything in nature has an opposite but anti-matter isn't found anywhere on earth and could only be a product of the big bang).

This would suggest that there needed to be a source of energy to start that Big bang off, and the scientists in the book were arguing that it must be God.

Of course the book is fiction, but at the beginning it states as a fact that a lab has actually created anti-matter. Does that mean they've recreated the big bang?

[Cowboy From Hell]

all the things they are recreating are on a "mini scale" basically they are making particles collide so they can study the type of energy and other matter they release. These is done because these results could create "similar" conditions as those in the big bang.

All these is done because with our actual knowledge of physics and math, we can explain quite a lot phenomena in the universe, but the big bang and black holes (because of their infinite mass and gravity in very little space), are two exceptions where the formulas don't apply. they are called singularyties.

[the squid of despair]

All these is done because with our actual knowledge of physics and math, we can explain quite a lot phenomena in the universe.

Math and physics are both man made our knowledge is actually very limited.

[Cowboy From Hell]

Math and physics are both man made our knowledge is actually very limited.

still its our knowledge, and it has taken us where we are right now, and math is more of a language that is used to describe and try to reproduce things.

if they were all wrong we wouldn't be able to build a bridge, or even use a computer.

[TJ60]

anyone got an exact date on when this is suppose to take place?

[Dymond]

Well thats the problem with Physics as we know it, The theorys break down on two scales, the very very large and the very very small. Thats why they were hopoing for something that explained it all..the so called Unifying thery..I think they were hoping String theory was going to be the to this,,