Global Warming...

[Honeypot]

I have recently been made aware of the real dangers of Global Warming. And personally am very concerned about the subject. As a matter of fact it scares the shit out of me. The more I learn about the subject, the more concerned I become.

Anyway, I was just wondering what other peoples views and opinions were on this subject. So please feel free to state what you think here. I'm hoping to get some useful insight into how other people feel, so only positive remarks are appreciated. I hope nobody takes offense to that. I just mean if you don't have something to contribute please don't just come in here to say something stupid and try to piss people off. I really do want your honest opinions, I just don't want people to talk shit.

Any useful information on the subject will be appreciated :D

[DnD]

it's too cold here anyway. now that im licensed to purchase CFC's i think i might just go release some into the atmosphere.


now's a good time to sell your waterfront property (Y)


and i never worry about the ozone or global warming, i dont think it will have many adverse affects untill i am dead or dying (other than all the regulations on emisions and refrigerants and shit, that ive got to learn)

[hoos]

Global Warming is another scientific myth that will be proven in about 200 yrs when we have a sufficient amount of Temperature data for planet earth.

[Honeypot]

Are you serious? Have you done any research on the subject?

I know that there are a lot of people out there who are very misinformed on the subject. I actually used to be one of them. But how can you deny the facts when scientist after scientist after scientist says it's real. Do you know that right now our global temperature is only 6 degrees higher than it was during the iceage? That our temperature has risen gradually over the past ten years or so? The last ten hottest years in history have all been within the last 15 years, with the warmest being last year (2005)?

Do you realize that all of the natural disasters that have happened in recent years are a direct result of global warming?

It actually makes me sad that there are so many people out there who think the way that you do. I just hope that it's not too late by the time you all realize that we all need to do our part to slow the process of global warming.

[DnD]

Global Warming is another scientific myth that will be proven in about 200 yrs when we have a sufficient amount of Temperature data for planet earth.

that reminds me off a tv special i watched once, about how the Earths climate has been fluctuating naturally for kadillions of years.

maybe we should be enjoying the warmth while it lasts?

edit: and out of curiousity, which disasters are you talking about honeypot?

[hoos]

Yes Honeypot. i did a research project on it last year. There is a 80-90 yr. cycle of the sun that I believe causes a periodic rise and fall of temperatures on Earth. The sun basically controls our temperature, and we are not influential enough to drastically change, unlike the power of the sun.

I tried to put the paper up last year, but it is too big to share on the forum.

[Honeypot]

that reminds me off a tv special i watched once, about how the Earths climate has been fluctuating naturally for kadillions of years.

maybe we should be enjoying the warmth while it lasts?

edit: and out of curiousity, which disasters are you talking about honeypot?

Do you not watch the news? Katrina, the Tsunami, the Earthquakes in India, etc. These are all direct affects of global warming. In ten years the sea levels will rise so high that a lot of coastal land will be gone, if enough people don't start caring enough to take care of the environment, and save energy/use alternative energy. A huge portion of FL, California. Ground Zero will be under ground. Not to mention Great Britain. The Polar Icecaps are melting at an alarming rate, and if you don't think this is something to take seriously I really hope you're right. Me personally... I do what I can to help the environment. Why not make the world a little cleaner anyway, right? There can't be any harm in that :D

I'm going to stop now though, I was just trying to see what other people thought, and I'm not going to lecture you on your opinion, or try to change your mind. It's a waste of both of our time, but I will continue to do what I can :D

[Furyous]

I guess it all depends on where you get your research information, but there is plenty of research on both sides. I happen to agree that it is a natural cycle that the earth goes through, and that one politician in particular is riding out a HUGE money deal on this particular topic right now. Just ask big tobacco, if you want to find a scientist that believes exactly as you believe, dig deep enough into your pocket, and they'll line up at your door, resumes in hand.

Some Geologists, as well as HOOS, will tell you that there are signs that this planet has been through several hot and cold periods. Also, my own belief is that disasters have been going on around the world for a long time. A global media has just brought them all into our living rooms. Politicians have a hayday with this as they can convince us that our world is progressively getting worse, and we're all going to die if we don't support their cause. Iraq, for example has seen an amazingly low death rate. More people die every day in the US from automobile accidents than die from fighting in Iraq. The news sensationalizes it all, and get's us all worked up.

Just my opinion.... I don't litter, and I tend to recycle, but I don't do it out of fear of the Ice Age. I do it because I choose to, and have lived around the world and seen many places that don't have the luxuries we have in our modern societies, trash collection, recycling... I enjoy clean streets, and beaches without trash. I don't fear death from global warming....

[swiss miss]

there is a great deal of scientific 'evidence' for both sides of this argument - its not my branch of science so i cant really say i have a completely reasoned opinion but its another good topic to bring up to debate and if people understand more than me, please educate me!!
i try really hard to save energy but thats mostly cos i'd rather be spending my money doing more interesting things than paying to drive to work or to heat my house when my bicycle and another jumper means i can use the money on other things...... and hell if it makes even the slightest difference in saving the planet then its a bonus (Y)

[Kloaked Spirit]

From what I gathered, the problem with blaming environmental disasters on global warming boils down to two main arguments:

1) We do not have a substantial dataset to make any judgments on. 200 years is insignificant when you think of how long the Earth has been around. Sure, you can say things have worsen since the past 10 years, but it could easily be on some sort of cycle. We certainly have them for economic theories and concepts when we try to place order to an unknown. It wouldn't be terribly surprising to find something like this here.

2) History. Sure, we've had some nasty weather lately. However, compare that weather to events that happened before this could even become an issue. We've had worse of nearly everything that's gone on. Worse hurricanes, worse earthquakes, worse tsunamis (*note* worse being in terms of sheer strength.) How can you state this as the cause of something when we've had more powerful events in times when this wasn't an issue? Another example, if global warming is an issue that causes hurricanes, how come we've had significantly fewer hurricanes this year? How come we've had significantly fewer hurricanes since the 90's, but we're SUV driving, gas-consuming idiots?

I'm all for helping out with the planet when it makes sense. This means that while I don't recycle (except for aluminum, but that's for another debate) I don't go out and make pointless trips in my car either. Plus I also hate the greenpeace style groups that go out of their way to hassle everyone about this, only to forget about what they preach when it comes to their conveinence.

[Honeypot]

there is a great deal of scientific 'evidence' for both sides of this argument - its not my branch of science so i cant really say i have a completely reasoned opinion but its another good topic to bring up to debate and if people understand more than me, please educate me!!
i try really hard to save energy but thats mostly cos i'd rather be spending my money doing more interesting things than paying to drive to work or to heat my house when my bicycle and another jumper means i can use the money on other things...... and hell if it makes even the slightest difference in saving the planet then its a bonus (Y)

Well, I believe that global warming is a REAL issue. And I hope that I am wrong. I hope that the world is not getting progressively worse, but would rather live on the side of caution than to just blow it off.
I would rather have people live their lives the way you do, saving energy as an advantage to them and if it helps the planet in the process that's great. I think that everyone should do their part to help the environment whether they believe that global warming is really happening or not. Because if, on the off chance, we are killing our planet, why not try to conserve something?

Plus, if saving energy, recycling, etc. saves us all money, why not do it? I mean we have nothing to lose, but possibly everything to gain from it.

Thanks to everyone for your input on the subject, it's nice to get some honest feedback on how people feel about the subject :D

[baldfuck]

it's too cold here anyway. now that im licensed to purchase CFC's i think i might just go release some into the atmosphere.

Sorry dude that'd be the ozone layer that you were fucking up there not adding to climate change

and i never worry about the ozone or global warming, i dont think it will have many adverse affects untill i am dead or dying (other than all the regulations on emisions and refrigerants and shit, that ive got to learn)

I know your'e cool cam, and i guess you are jokin, but you and I might not live to see the effects of your actions my kid will so sort it fucking out.

Yes Honeypot. i did a research project on it last year. There is a 80-90 yr. cycle of the sun that I believe causes a periodic rise and fall of temperatures on Earth. The sun basically controls our temperature, and we are not influential enough to drastically change, unlike the power of the sun.

I tried to put the paper up last year, but it is too big to share on the forum.

There are loads of temperature cycles. I was always under th impression that the one that is commonly agues agaianst human influence on climate change is far wider than 80 or 90 years (i haven't looked at the debate for quite some time).

Carbon dioxide traps heat. That is scientific fact. We release 6 billion tonnes of cabon (about 18 billion tonnes carbon dioxide), not to mention the millions of tonnes of methane (which is about 20 times more heat absorbing than carbon dioxide) and you dont think that could influence anything? Count the zeros: 6,000,000,000 tonnes! Not grams, not kilos, TONNES.


if you want to find a scientist that believes exactly as you believe, dig deep enough into your pocket, and they'll line up at your door, resumes in hand.

All the human intervention argument is paid for through legitimate academic research (non-industry sponsored). In contrast, the pro-geological cycle research is sponsored by economic interests. There is no economic benefit in concluding we have to use less energy, consume less products, turn lights off etc as it means people spend less which is bad for the economy.

Politicians have a hayday with this as they can convince us that our world is progressively getting worse, and we're all going to die if we don't support their cause. Iraq, for example has seen an amazingly low death rate.

I wish. Environmentalists have been banging on about climate change for decades. Politicians have been ignoring us because it clashed with their economic ideology. Now things are reaching critical proportions they know they have to listen. Why would they play it down for so long if they could have used to control people for all this time.


From what I gathered, the problem with blaming environmental disasters on global warming boils down to two main arguments:

1) We do not have a substantial dataset to make any judgments on. 200 years is insignificant when you think of how long the Earth has been around. Sure, you can say things have worsen since the past 10 years, but it could easily be on some sort of cycle. We certainly have them for economic theories and concepts when we try to place order to an unknown. It wouldn't be terribly surprising to find something like this here.

2) History. Sure, we've had some nasty weather lately. However, compare that weather to events that happened before this could even become an issue. We've had worse of nearly everything that's gone on. Worse hurricanes, worse earthquakes, worse tsunamis (*note* worse being in terms of sheer strength.) How can you state this as the cause of something when we've had more powerful events in times when this wasn't an issue?

I'm all for helping out with the planet when it makes sense. This means that while I don't recycle (except for aluminum, but that's for another debate) I don't go out and make pointless trips in my car either. Plus I also hate the greenpeace style groups that go out of their way to hassle everyone about this, only to forget about what they preach when it comes to their conveinence.

Its true we need more data. but it also true we release billions of tonnes of heat trapping gases into the atmosphere. In environmenal law and best practice we have a few guiding principles. One of which is 'the precautionary principle'. This states basically that when there is strong, but inconclusive, evidence to suggest an human activity will have serious impacts upon the environment then we should treat that situation as though the evidence is correct as it stands. This way if we are correct we are able to minimise the impact and if we are wrong then all we have done is apply some restraint that has not affected the situation either way.

Recycling aluminium is not enough KS. You could really do with tackling glass and plastic too. Don't the refuse collectors take it as a matter of course where you live? If not its not that hard to coincide a drop off at the local amenity with a trip in the area for personal reasons.

[DnD]

Carbon dioxide traps heat. That is scientific fact. We release 6 billion tonnes of cabon (about 18 billion tonnes carbon dioxide), not to mention the millions of tonnes of methane (which is about 20 times more heat absorbing than carbon dioxide) and you dont think that could influence anything? Count the zeros: 6,000,000,000 tonnes! Not grams, not kilos, TONNES.


just wondering how much gasses are actually released by industries, and how much gets released by natural causes?

[baldfuck]

just wondering how much gasses are actually released by industries, and how much gets released by natural causes?

The 6 billion tonnes is man made releases. From memory, man made CO2 releases account for 15-20% of atmospheric CO2. (But that will vary on how you calculate it i guess.)

[Furyous]

All the human intervention argument is paid for through legitimate academic research (non-industry sponsored). In contrast, the pro-geological cycle research is sponsored by economic interests. There is no economic benefit in concluding we have to use less energy, consume less products, turn lights off etc as it means people spend less which is bad for the economy.



I wish. Environmentalists have been banging on about climate change for decades. Politicians have been ignoring us because it clashed with their economic ideology. Now things are reaching critical proportions they know they have to listen. Why would they play it down for so long if they could have used to control people for all this time.


Hmmmm, feel free to go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong, but if you disproved these theories about environmentalism, wouldn't YOU be out of a job? And doesn't that give you plenty of resons to fight for your ideas being right? All I'm saying is that there are two sides to this story, and both have points you could choose to argue. It's the same story with creationism and evolution. I happen to believe in temperature cycles, and a mix of evolution and creationism. Feel free to believe however you need to in order to put food on your family's table, I don't have to fight for it and have chosen to believe the other side of the argument....

Oh yeah, by the way there's HUGE money in environmentalism. Please don't try to blow that smoke up my arse. There's allot of people making all kinds of money on environmentally fiendly products, entire nations have mandated change in the way products are made, requiring purchasing of new machinery etc. for said improvements, laws are continually getting stricter, requiring even more new technology.... Don't play the "there's no money in this game" card. It's HUGE money, and Al Gore is really benefitting from his own contributions to this side of the argument at the moment. So, let's just agree that there's allot of money on both sides of the issue, how's that?

Other than that, I really do tend to do my part. I recycle, I'm careful about my waste, and here in South America, it's public transit for me most of the time. At home in the states, I happen to drive a few gas guzzlers, but that's one pleasure that I believe I should be afforded, if I choose to pay the ridiculous price I pay to enjoy said vehicles. Therefor, even at home, I don't drive them much, cuz I've never had shit tons of money.

I recycle to keep my country from becoming one giant trash heap, or worse yet, watch them dump it in the ocean like they do here in South America. I just don't buy the other argument, that's all. I also think that you have the right to believe it, but you must wake up and see that you're fairly blind to the other side of the argument, and in my ignorance about who you are professionally, my personal judgement is that you are blind to it because the environmental side is what pays your bills(Power bill, probably generated from coal, included(a) ). I too would probably take your militant stance if it meant my family was going to starve, either that or I would have chosen to study something different in school......

[baldfuck]

Hmmmm, feel free to go ahead and correct me if I'm wrong, but if you disproved these theories about environmentalism, wouldn't YOU be out of a job? And doesn't that give you plenty of resons to fight for your ideas being right? All I'm saying is that there are two sides to this story, and both have points you could choose to argue. It's the same story with creationism and evolution. I happen to believe in temperature cycles, and a mix of evolution and creationism. Feel free to believe however you need to in order to put food on your family's table, I don't have to fight for it and have chosen to believe the other side of the argument....

Oh yeah, by the way there's HUGE money in environmentalism. Please don't try to blow that smoke up my arse. There's allot of people making all kinds of money on environmentally fiendly products, entire nations have mandated change in the way products are made, requiring purchasing of new machinery etc. for said improvements, laws are continually getting stricter, requiring even more new technology.... Don't play the "there's no money in this game" card. It's HUGE money, and Al Gore is really benefitting from his own contributions to this side of the argument at the moment. So, let's just agree that there's allot of money on both sides of the issue, how's that?

Other than that, I really do tend to do my part. I recycle, I'm careful about my waste, and here in South America, it's public transit for me most of the time. At home in the states, I happen to drive a few gas guzzlers, but that's one pleasure that I believe I should be afforded, if I choose to pay the ridiculous price I pay to enjoy said vehicles. Therefor, even at home, I don't drive them much, cuz I've never had shit tons of money.

I recycle to keep my country from becoming one giant trash heap, or worse yet, watch them dump it in the ocean like they do here in South America. I just don't buy the other argument, that's all. I also think that you have the right to believe it, but you must wake up and see that you're fairly blind to the other side of the argument, and in my ignorance about who you are professionally, my personal judgement is that you are blind to it because the environmental side is what pays your bills(Power bill, probably generated from coal, included(a) ). I too would probably take your militant stance if it meant my family was going to starve, either that or I would have chosen to study something different in school......

LONG POST. Apologies.

It's kinda mixed up that you say I believe in an environmental crisis or whatever as i'd be out of a job or need environmental to feed my familyThe fact is that i chose my profession because i was concerned and wanted to help resolve the problems.

I don't need environmental problems to keep me in a job. I am an environmental consultant but i also advise on health & Safety. I could very easily side step into advising on Quality. Most of my skills are transferable, I just have an environmental science background. If i entered into another profession taking my transferables with me and training in marketing or accounting or product development I'd double my salary over night. on top of that i work for a charity who pay me about £5000 a year less than I would get as a private sector consultant. I am well on the level about my beliefs. I am no altruist but there is honestly very little in it for me. That may change if I get another job which i am considering - i am sick of being skint the last week of every month.

And there is not 'HUGE' money in environmentalism. Not compared to normal business. Basic business theory teaches SWOT analysis - strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats. The environment is largely considered as a threat to business. I work with businesses on these issues and encouraging them that the environment is an opportunity is an uphill slog. Environmental technology is just being recognised as a growth industry so the money will be huge but it isn't yet.

If there was so much money in environmentally friendly products the supermarket shelves would be full of them but they are not. For every bottle/box of Ecover there are 20 bottles/boxes of Persil, Daz, Ariel or whatever. And you've only been able to find them in supermarkets for the last 5 years.

I am not blind to alternative arguments. I have looked at them all in a detail you would not believe and i came out of the other side believing what i do. i dont ignore arguments to fit my world view my friend. I am simply, well read, well informed and objective.

The thing that people tend to forget when people like me claim that we should do more to safeguard the environment is that we have very little to gain, in fact it carries an acceptance of life being a little leaner and less convenient. When others say we have nothing to worry it usually means they don't want to have make 'sacrifices' or that they stand to lose out by people changing their lifestyles.

I am glad to see you are doing your bit. I just hope that more North Americans follow suit. North American's represent 4% of the global population but are responsible for 25% of CO2 releases.

And you are right, the power in my house is generated from fossil fuel. Mainly because I can't afford to buy my own property and install a turbine or whatever. I could buy from a green energy supplier but right now i can't afford to, if i could i would. I need a new suit for work - I had to buy one for £5.00 from the charity shop - it has been reserved behind the counter coz i don't even have £5.00 till I get paid tomorrow. HUGE money. If only.

[Kloaked Spirit]

Its true we need more data. but it also true we release billions of tonnes of heat trapping gases into the atmosphere. In environmenal law and best practice we have a few guiding principles. One of which is 'the precautionary principle'. This states basically that when there is strong, but inconclusive, evidence to suggest an human activity will have serious impacts upon the environment then we should treat that situation as though the evidence is correct as it stands. This way if we are correct we are able to minimise the impact and if we are wrong then all we have done is apply some restraint that has not affected the situation either way.

Recycling aluminium is not enough KS. You could really do with tackling glass and plastic too. Don't the refuse collectors take it as a matter of course where you live? If not its not that hard to coincide a drop off at the local amenity with a trip in the area for personal reasons.

Furyous pointed out the biggest problem about the precautionary principle. It gets used and abused for reasons that are not close to saving the environment. People use the endangered species act in the same manner, so something that has a nice ring to it can easily screw over innocent people. Unfortunately, by the time people finally figure out that saving the environment may not be the "big goal" of a corporation/government that is hiding behind the principle, it may be too late to change the situation. Remember, the co-founder of Greenpeace left it because he no longer believed Greenpeace was truly about saving the environment and is really just trying to be anti-corporation. If it can happen to Greenpeace, it can certainly happen to other like-minded organizations.

*Note: This is not to say that the members of said organization are all hiding behind this kind ambition in order to make cash. Many of the members are indeed working for the good goal of the environment and don't realize that they're being used as pawns by the higher ups.*

As I stated before, recycling in and of itself would be for another topic. However, here's a more comedy-based (and obviously anti-recycling, being more for entertainment than substantial academic research) episode which would generate many of the points you'd have to counter in such a topic. It also states the argument for why aluminum is one of the few things that's actually helpful to recycle.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7734998370503499886&q=penn+and+teller+bullshit&hl=en

[VikesWookie]

just wondering how much gasses are actually released by industries, and how much gets released by natural causes?

i just released some myself...

[hoos]

There are loads of temperature cycles. I was always under th impression that the one that is commonly agues agaianst human influence on climate change is far wider than 80 or 90 years (i haven't looked at the debate for quite some time).

I'm not talking about a temperature cycle, I'm talking about a sun cycle. The Sun is the controlling being in your system and mainly what the sun goes through effects us directly. Kinda like when the sun is blocked by clouds, it's a little cooler on Earth. The sun has 2 or 3 different known cycles know, but it is believed that a very significant cycle is somewhere between 80-90 years. Again, there is not enough evidence to be able to prove this b/c ppl didn't have the technology to actually find out stuff about the sun 150 yrs. ago.

[DnD]

I know your'e cool cam, and i guess you are jokin, but you and I might not live to see the effects of your actions my kid will so sort it fucking out.

I apologize if i offended you Trev, (or anybody else for that matter). I would never deliberatly cause any ill effects to your kid. And in regards to my post; it's not that i dont care about the future of this planet and its inhabitants, it's just that i dont perceive Global Warming as an iminent danger.

[Kat]

I think it probably is as huge a problem as we're being warned about from certain quarters. The people I've seen arguing that it is happening seem more reliable and informed and less self serving than those who argue against it. I should look into it a lot more, but unless I do my own research, my judgement's always going to be along the lines of the above.

I just wanted to share a metaphore that I saw on a program (or film possibly, might have been 'Corporation', not sure) about climate change, because I thought it was very powerful. They showed an old reel of film of a man who'd built himself wings and, convinced they were going to allow him to fly, jumped off a cliff. Of course he falls, but it's a long way, and for a wonderful few seconds before he hits the ground he thinks he's flying. This, according to the program, is a metaphore for society - we've got such a long way to fall, and we've been doing it for so long that we think we're flying, but ultimately we're living in a completely unsustainable way; we're free-falling and sooner or later we're going to hit the ground.

I think this is certainly true, but whether climate change will be our 'hitting the ground' I don't know.

[Honeypot]

I think that this has been a really good debate so far, but I personally am still leaning toward Global Warming being a real issue, and am doing what I can to try to change it. I know as one person I can't do it alone, but hopefully there are a lot more people out there who will do their part as well, and together we all can make a difference.

I have done my research as well, and continue to learn more about it each day.

That being said... For those of you who would like to learn more about the subject I have a few links for you the check out.
http://www.stopglobalwarming.org
http://www.myspace.com/itshappeningnow

There is some really good info on both of these sites. Also please feel free to search the web and find your own sources. I highly recommend if you don't really know anything about the subject that you do read up about it. Then you all can make your own decisions on where you stand on the subject. I hope no matter what you decide, you will still want to do your part to conserve energy, and recycle :D

Again, thanks so much for all of your opinions. It's nice to know where people stand :D

[baldfuck]

I apologize if i offended you Trev, (or anybody else for that matter). I would never deliberatly cause any ill effects to your kid. And in regards to my post; it's not that i dont care about the future of this planet and its inhabitants, it's just that i dont perceive Global Warming as an iminent danger.


No apology required Cam. You da man. :)

[So Warped]

Nobody really knows.

[ben_kyle_meredith]

i want my cold snowy winters back i hate have warm summers and no snow makes christmas feel crap :(

[Honeypot]

i want my cold snowy winters back i hate have warm summers and no snow makes christmas feel crap :(

I totally agree with you... It's almost December and it hasn't snowed once yet... What's up with that? And it really bothers me when people say that they're glad it's milder weather. Then don't live in MN, cuz it's supposed to be cold and snowy in the winter here :D

[DnD]

i live in Canada and it hasnt snowed yet! :|

but i dont mind cause i hate the snow lol

[Wutty]

There was 1 natural fire that released 75% of all CO2 emissions, ONE fire, we have many a year, that is just natural.

If the earth was cooling down people would cry something else, but that is known in history as the ice age, mabye this is the club tropicana age?

[the squid of despair]

I'll tell you what it sure feels like winter in San Diego, no signs of global warming...

[tinymontana]

although i dont doubt that there is a natrual cycle of temperature change, the evidence of our contributions to this rise are too great too ignore. i think that its blinkered to argue that its an either or problem. couldnt it be possible that there is a natrual rise which is being accelerated by our own pollution?
anyone who thinks this is a good thing as they dont like the cold should also bear in mind that raising temps could actually lead to another ice age. cold water from the melting ice caps mixing into the oceans could affect important water currents, for example the gulf stream off britain which is resposible for carrying warm air across the uk, this on a global level could be catastrophic.
at the end of the day believe what u want its your choice, its gettin late an im too wasted too hold it togehter any longer. good on ya honepot fa gettin people chattin about this though

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

global warming is a bunch of phooey like a few people said its just earths cyclical climate change.. we have only had the technowledgy the last 20-30 years to measure this stuff and it sure hasnt changed that much in 20 years....no telling what has happened in the last 4.6 BILLION years when we didnt have this technoledgy

[Honeypot]

although i dont doubt that there is a natrual cycle of temperature change, the evidence of our contributions to this rise are too great too ignore. i think that its blinkered to argue that its an either or problem. couldnt it be possible that there is a natrual rise which is being accelerated by our own pollution?
anyone who thinks this is a good thing as they dont like the cold should also bear in mind that raising temps could actually lead to another ice age. cold water from the melting ice caps mixing into the oceans could affect important water currents, for example the gulf stream off britain which is resposible for carrying warm air across the uk, this on a global level could be catastrophic.
at the end of the day believe what u want its your choice, its gettin late an im too wasted too hold it togehter any longer. good on ya honepot fa gettin people chattin about this though

Thanks... I am really passionate about this subject, and whether people take me seriously or not... I just hope that it gets them thinking, and then maybe they will do some research of their own, and will come to the same conclusion that I have. Or at the very least will decide that it can't hurt to save energy, and recycle, etc.
I totally agree with you that there is a natural increase in the earths temperature, but you are also right that our pollution has increased this even more. I'm not saying to anyone that some of the global warming isn't natural progression. However, because of our pollution we have made this occure more quickly. The earth is heating up quicker than scientist had previously predicted. This is because of Global Warming.
I don't expect to change everyones minds about this, but I do hope to make some people a little more aware to the point where they will do what they can do to help. I don't expect everyone to go to the extremes that I do (or want to), but every little bit will help :D

[bongobaba]

For those who understand french, here is a great sketch about global warming :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56LyoHtvUiU

[Honeypot]

For those who understand french, here is a great sketch about global warming :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56LyoHtvUiU

I don't understand french, but I watched it anyway, and I thought it was pretty funny at the end :D... Maybe a translation would make it funnier, but I got the idea :D

[TraPStaR]

we just need to do what we can as the highest intellectual persons on this earth to keep it working for us and stop anything thats harming what we got... NO EARTH>>>>> NO US (unless other planets .... etc.... )

More we do the better. Dopewars should run a Global Warming game and air it on CNN (wink wink)

[bongobaba]

Yes it is understandable :)
I think the point is that you can try to do your best in your everyday life to fight against global warming, but the real fight is not at our level. Some type of industries pollutes a lot, and our politicians do almost nothing. Because you can't blame a company for not investing in machines that pollute less if they are not forced to. It can be really expensive and those who are in charge may even think that global warming is a myth.

The introduction of the video :
An english study shows that if we do nothing against pollution we'll need 3 earths. So we have to move our ass, but not too much, because of the butterfly effect.

And the conclusion reminds me about that south park episode on people driving hybrid cars :P

[the squid of despair]

Here's a aritcle I enjoyed, written by John Coleman. It's not too long and it's very interesting.

http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/19842304.html

[steff]

It looks like it's been written by a 7 year old who has googled "glowball warning" and written everything they've found.

[Thikpis]

the worlds human population has doubled since 1960
the number of other species inhabiting the planet has dropped by 30% in the same period
the levels of oxygen within Earths atmosphere has been declining the whole time

we will probably run out of air before fossil fuel

[Colonel Sanders]

More importantly why did you bump a 1 and half year old thread over an issue that quite frankly nearly everyone on this forum agrees that it's bullocks.

[Spork!!!]

I finally realise it DOESN'T MATTER!
Heat = catalysT for chemical reactions = decomposition = more oil = more power = more air-con = cool indoor, so what? w00t, we have solved it. ;)

[Kloaked Spirit]

More importantly why did you bump a 1 and half year old thread over an issue that quite frankly nearly everyone on this forum agrees that it's bullocks.

Remember, you're allowed to revive a thread in SD with new information/links/etc assuming that it's relevant to the topic at hand.

[Sir Mankalot]

Are you serious? Have you done any research on the subject?

I know that there are a lot of people out there who are very misinformed on the subject. I actually used to be one of them. But how can you deny the facts when scientist after scientist after scientist says it's real. Do you know that right now our global temperature is only 6 degrees higher than it was during the iceage? That our temperature has risen gradually over the past ten years or so? The last ten hottest years in history have all been within the last 15 years, with the warmest being last year (2005)?

Do you realize that all of the natural disasters that have happened in recent years are a direct result of global warming?

It actually makes me sad that there are so many people out there who think the way that you do. I just hope that it's not too late by the time you all realize that we all need to do our part to slow the process of global warming.



are you serious? can you get more liberal?<----stupid question.:haha: