New Administrator

[steff]

I think we need a new administrator and I have a list whom I think could be potentials.

edit:
you are*
successful*

[Dan]

i sense a tid bit sarcasm in that but im not sure, are you kidding?:$

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

definately flip he set the trends for all sorts of people like lontan and them

[steff]

No I'm not. Once we have decided I'm going to lobby the current administrators to get this new one imposed. He will then oversee Dopewars and do basically what Tim/Steve does just now.

[Krámse]

Gotta be the Cush.

[nfc]

Nah! has to be Cushion for two reasons:

First off he's not afraid of voicing his opinion, whether right or wrong to the the corrupt Admin we now have.

Second, I have a feeling he has a lot of time on his hands now after screwing Reds over and already shows true potential in joining the biased Admin that we all know and love :admin:

[Loopus]

I vote for Cushion as well, He is not afraid to voice his opinion and stand up for what he believes in... Current accusations aside he's done a lot for Reds, and I think he'd be good for the game overall.

[Infernal Abomination]

my vote goes for any girl. i don't see many in admin, actually I only know of one admin....Steff. Plus chicks can be better argument settlers.

;) (Y)

Original post edited. I meant the only staff I knew was steff (besides ovious ones like KS and PS)

[JUSRISKIT]

ermmm... steff???? a girl??? i dont think sooooooooooooooooooo lol :hidey:







i vote cush....just because, i vote him....(f)

[ruffnready]

cushion for many good reasons as loopus said :)

[Timoteo32]

I like the idea of a programmer coming in an tuning things up.

[Matvey]

This site is worth way to much to have deciding over something like this in one small thread.

[Pleb]

This site is worth over a million dollars so I dont know why this sort of thing would be handled lightly in a thread.

Wow. What are you basing that on/How do you know?

[Matvey]

Well im a domain and site reseller.

This site probably makes around 5,000 a month on ads and

Another $500.00 on donations.

People are willing to pay 3 years revenue for a site like this.

Thats $198,000.00

I was unjust to say over a million.

But with those characteristics right there if they are correct I myself could sell the site for around that much.

Keep in mind that is if thos enumbers are closed to correct.

( i edited what I said. I wa sjust spititng out a million to show it was worth a lot mroe than you guys think. )

[Pleb]

Well im a domain and site reseller.

This site probably makes around 5,000 a month on ads and

Another $500.00 on donations.

People are willing to pay 3 years revenue for a site like this.

Thats $198,000.00

I was unjust to say over a million.

But with those characteristics right there if they are correct I myself could sell the site for around that much.

Keep in mind that is if thos enumbers are closed to correct.

( i edited what I said. I wa sjust spititng out a million to show it was worth a lot mroe than you guys think. )

I was thinking you were going along those sort of lines...and on the active member sort of thing.

Although where are you getting the ads from? Or am I just special and can't see them? :hidey:

[Matvey]

PPC advertising is one of the best payrates you can have.

PPC means pay per click.

The hunger site and all of those are PPC advertising and Treadon or whomever gets payed for however many times we click in there.

A lot of the time its a certian multiplyer per 1000 clicks wich is cpm.


Given each active player around 4000 plus per day are in there clicking ads like mad to get there free tokens the money would really ad up.

Plus when you "display ads" option those are also CPM wich is cost per 1000 impression with a little bit of clicking added to it but not many people click those.

Using that information I get a hgih value in ad revenue.

[holy shit]

PPC advertising is one of the best payrates you can have.

PPC means pay per click.

The hunger site and all of those are PPC advertising and Treadon or whomever gets payed for however many times we click in there.

A lot of the time its a certian multiplyer per 1000 clicks wich is cpm.


Given each active player around 4000 plus per day are in there clicking ads like mad to get there free tokens the money would really ad up.

Plus when you "display ads" option those are also CPM wich is cost per 1000 impression with a little bit of clicking added to it but not many people click those.

Using that information I get a hgih value in ad revenue.



ok i originally voted for cushion because we talk alot and he makes me laugh...

but damn i take back my vote and i vote for this dude .. seems to know his shit quite good

[Infernal Abomination]

ermmm... steff???? a girl??? i dont think sooooooooooooooooooo lol :hidey:







i vote cush....just because, i vote him....(f)

wow. overtired gets to ya. i didn't mean that the way it was said... edited! srry

[Pleb]

PPC advertising is one of the best payrates you can have.

PPC means pay per click.

The hunger site and all of those are PPC advertising and Treadon or whomever gets payed for however many times we click in there.

A lot of the time its a certian multiplyer per 1000 clicks wich is cpm.


Given each active player around 4000 plus per day are in there clicking ads like mad to get there free tokens the money would really ad up.

Plus when you "display ads" option those are also CPM wich is cost per 1000 impression with a little bit of clicking added to it but not many people click those.

Using that information I get a hgih value in ad revenue.

Fair enough, wasn't really thinking bout the actual game, just this site. That makes sense.

[the myth]

PPC advertising is one of the best payrates you can have.

PPC means pay per click.

The hunger site and all of those are PPC advertising and Treadon or whomever gets payed for however many times we click in there.

A lot of the time its a certian multiplyer per 1000 clicks wich is cpm.


Given each active player around 4000 plus per day are in there clicking ads like mad to get there free tokens the money would really ad up.

Plus when you "display ads" option those are also CPM wich is cost per 1000 impression with a little bit of clicking added to it but not many people click those.

Using that information I get a hgih value in ad revenue.

i belive rit keeps site up totaly on dontations and that is it
ads dont work and we get free tonkens from hunger site because because old ads were outdated and rit got no money for it so he figure we help somebody out

so
ad revenue= $0
dontation revenue= just enough to keep site up


and if ads were adding in to the point you are talking (enough to make any $)
i would quit and so would many others

i do hope that rit makes enough to put a few brews in front of him and maby kick a few dollers steves way for all the time they have put into the site

but it is doubtful

[Kloaked Spirit]

The donations/premium charges are what keep the site afloat more than anything else. As already stated in the previous post, most ad places won't pay out for sites of a drug related nature. The free tokens are done to promote charity sites, so there'd probably be very little (if any) payment coming from there.

Besides, given the volatile state of most online companies, I doubt anyone would want to invest $200,000 into a company that only generates $6k/month. Even if that was revenue, that doesn't mean it's profit. Take expenses out of that (server upgrades/maintenance, bandwidth costs, etc,) and you're looking at a company that'd struggle to make back its original investment in 4 years under the current model.

[seasider]

Thanks Matvey, your post supports my previous assertion (in another thread) that we have ads to thank for the perpetuation of DW; not donations, as was asserted by someone.

KS - I still think its the ads. You write off the ads very lightly for eg. the charity ads don't produce profits but does that mean that nothing is paid for them? Obviously there are costs incurred in getting them up so who covers that? Is it not possible that more than merely the costs of the charity ads are recovered? Not profit but a percentage of fixed costs that would have been incurred even if they weren't there. Then there is the commercial ads; if they aren't paid for then why are they there? What benefit does Treadon, or DW, get from providing free adverising for commercial companies?

Now lets consider donations, premmies etc. What is the cash balance between monies paid in for donations etc and money paid out for winning overall cartel, overall player etc? Bear in mind you can't donate if you haven't got a credit card, no debit card facility since Rit fell out with paypal. I bet most donations are 'donation codes' won in previous rounds, although this is a pure stab in the dark. The question is; if dopewars depends on donations how can it keep going?

All due respect mate but I think the ads are the primary source of funds

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

this is in reponse to the myth aka boston george

very well said this matvey guy is annoying..spouts all these figures but is on hee playing these silly little text based games instead of making millions

[Matvey]

very well said this matvey guy is annoying..spouts all these figures but is on hee playing these silly little text based games instead of making millions
What the fuck are you talking about.

All I said was.

People pay up to 3 years revenue for a site making thousands of dollars a month.

I dont know how im being anoying spitting out true facts.

Please back up your rediculous accusations with some truth.

............... and

I do not make millions but I do make good money as a web developer, programmer, domain reseller, and just plain site brokering. Thats where my facts come from. Sorry if me knowing what im talking about is anoying you. I will try hard to make stuff up and sound like a retard in the future.

T
I doubt anyone would want to invest $200,000 into a company that only generates $6k/month. Even if that was revenue, that doesn't mean it's profit. Take expenses out of that (server upgrades/maintenance, bandwidth costs, etc,) and you're looking at a company that'd struggle to make back its original investment in 4 years under the current model.

Im curently selling http://beyondpotter.com right now. Only $93.00 a month and its high offer is $7,500.00
^ Largest hairy potter photo gallery in the world is inlcuded in thats ite and beleave me server cost isnt that cheap but webmasters know that and most of the time people buying high end site have there own servers and these modering things are quite easy.

[Psychostyle]

this thread is dumb, so is steff, but this problem will be sorted..now.done.

[Jacx]

Ok the deal with the ads. No we make no money of them..why, becuase having a drug basied game ment they only ever paid min amount to the site.

The next issue was payments always were troubled and players would sometimes have issues becuase of the ads.

So we used the free food site..seesider..we make NOTHING from them, its a protest at those companies.

All moneys to run this site comes from donations from dopewars and GC. You dopewars players should be happy..GC players pay $5 a month for a premium handle, not just the $20 you lot pay for a lifetime one. Thats where our money comes from.

Debating site stuff like this is fine, but be grown up about it, no need for slating when someones trying to be positive.

Oh and note..staff do not get paid!

[Matvey]

I will just say this.

I talked to Jacx about the ad revenue and it appears for whatever reasons the problems make the ad revenue 0.

I know someone said that above but I udnerstand now.

Still ym hypothetical situation of the ad revenue is still true. Although may not be true for this site.

Basically I would like to know how much the site actually makes and where it comes from and I wiould be able to get an accurate reading.

( he posted as i was making my post )

[JUSRISKIT]

wow. overtired gets to ya. i didn't mean that the way it was said... edited! srry


no harm...;)... wasnt raggin or nothing....lol


yeah, matvey is smart, and knowledgeablel, i give him that...but urmmmm, sorry, i still vote cushion, just because....:hidey:

[steff]

this thread is dumb, so is steff, but this problem will be sorted..now.done.

Well only a few people got the jist of it and I'm not sure you were one of them lol

[seasider]

Question for Jacx - now please understand I'm not trying to start any shit here but my question is why don't we get rid of the commercial advertising if it realises no revenue?

Also please clarify - does "we make NOTHING from them" mean the same as "nothing is paid for them"? What are the costs involved, if any? How are these cost met? Do donations also cover the cost of running charity ads?

Thanks in advance for all sensible replies

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

Who Gives A Flying Fuck

[Shiro Ishii]

Matvey please learn how to type before you make anymore posts. For a "web developer" you sure seem to make a lot of typos... if you are a web developer, and not some kid who made a few websites for his parents friends, you should know not to use copyrighted works like the one in your avatar that you stole from digitalblasphemy.com

I doubt you are an actual web developer for your career, you might be good at writing meta-tags to get a lot of hits and stuff like that but what languages are you an expert in?

[Jacx]

Question for Jacx - now please understand I'm not trying to start any shit here but my question is why don't we get rid of the commercial advertising if it realises no revenue?

Also please clarify - does "we make NOTHING from them" mean the same as "nothing is paid for them"? What are the costs involved, if any? How are these cost met? Do donations also cover the cost of running charity ads?

Thanks in advance for all sensible replies

in ur defence..i remember now that you now have a choice..feed the hungry or click the ads companys. We have it..just as something to do while ur waiting for your free tokens. Everyone wants free tokens and the feed the hungry thing seems as good enough as any.

The charity ads cost nothing, u are redirected to their site, yet stay within our game..so its a filler nothing moreand hence Zero cost to us...and u get to feel good about feeding hungry people.

We also choose to keep the forums ad free...basically becuase it clutters the place etc.

Donations cover the costs for the site. Thats it...don't get us wrong...we have used ad companies...but in the end it always seems never to be worth the hassle. Maybe we just been using the wrong ad companys or we don't manage it right...but the site survives and goes on.

[Matvey]

Matvey please learn how to type before you make anymore posts. For a "web developer" you sure seem to make a lot of typos... if you are a web developer, and not some kid who made a few websites for his parents friends, you should know not to use copyrighted works like the one in your avatar that you stole from digitalblasphemy.com

I doubt you are an actual web developer for your career, you might be good at writing meta-tags to get a lot of hits and stuff like that but what languages are you an expert in?
A. I doubt anyone has to use correct grammer on a site about DRUG TRAFFIC
B. I own a company with a staff that can basically do every language you can think of and can develope I would say 95% of what you see on the web.
C. I dont even think I have a avatar. ( none displays for me )


I will use propper gramme ron here when everyone on here stops being so ignorant and does it too.

[Matvey]

^ this thread is no longer about your original ideal.

And I apologize for that.

[seasider]

OK, why were the commercial ads reintroduced to the free tokens part of the game? They disapeared for a while but have been back for some time now. Also the 'turn on ads' button remains a mystery. No benefit is derived by either player or site yet ads appear if it is clicked. If no revenue or other benefit is recieved than how is this space allocated? Can I advertise my favourite football team for free on there? Thank you for explaining about the charity ads but I have lingering doubts about the commercial ones

[Jacx]

I believe the turn on ads bit dont work..and have not for a long old time. Why nothing done...coz rit does all this on his own..he makes those calls and he never really has the time to sort it.

Yes u can choose the commercial ads in the game..but again, most people click the free food ones...it was a case of rit finding a company that dont fuck about too much i believe..yet the income is tiny. If you dont actually click any of the links, you still get your free tokens, yet without clicking we make nothing from u being in that section...result...what a waste. But thats rits call not ours.

As for ur football team...yeh he probably would do it, thats how little that part is cared for...as long as you all get your free tokens then it serves as a tool.

[Shiro Ishii]

Sorry matvey, I meant your signiture!

Hey need any ruby developers buddy? ;)

[Matvey]

Just as much as I need a pascel writer.

Oh my signature... well I need to change it anyways.

[Shiro Ishii]

Do you mean pascal?

Do you know what ruby is? It is like the newest most dynamic web dev language available. Have you heard of ruby on rails?

You crazy boi... you don't know what it is lol

[Matvey]

I dont know ruby but kid name trevor on my staff does the new stuff.

Ruby on Rails is referred to as ROR correct? He was trying to touch down telling me bout that stuff but Im a commoner.

He also works with the ajax and php combo for the game like stuff.

Yes I meant pascal.

Right now Im actually taking courses on pascal.

Like i said and you mentioned with my typos I type fast on here and dotn care for propper grammer. Even though thats a big mistake...... If you know what your doing with PHP and MYsql I think I might have some job ops for you.

[Infernal Abomination]

just a question, not meant to cause havok. And since this thread is still about the ad's...but couldn't dopewars talk to high times to get ad donations? LOL

[Matvey]

They actually verry possibly could if the site wasnt as ugly as it is.

There is too much wasted potential going on right here as it is but dont worry Im sure the owners have something nice instaore for it pretty son. ;>

[seasider]

just a question, not meant to cause havok. And since this thread is still about the ad's...but couldn't dopewars talk to high times to get ad donations? LOL


I was thinking about this today - seed banks and head shops might get a lot of traffic from here. I'd bet a bit of research would find a lot of businesses happy to be associated with this site. Sodium lamps and hydro grow stuff suppliers would probably want to make themselves known to users of the site.

btw - Jacx, thanks for the taking the time to answer my questions

[the myth]

it was a case of rit finding a company that dont fuck about too much i believe..yet the income is tiny. If you dont actually click any of the links, you still get your free tokens, yet without clicking we make nothing

if this was the case and you had to browse a link while you waiting on free tonkens i am sure me and others would have no problem doing so
anything to help the game stay up and around

[Matvey]

I will pay to have my websites being browesed during free token time.

=)

[Jacx]

there is a pile of stuff to be discussed soon...so who knows people. Anyways thanks for whats been mostly positive comments and suggestions from u all.

[Convicted Felon]

just a question, not meant to cause havok. And since this thread is still about the ad's...but couldn't dopewars talk to high times to get ad donations? LOL

I thought this thread was suppose to be about a new Admin. Whatever, good discussion going on with possible positive results! (Y)

[Timoteo32]

I know this is a an old thread but I wasn't sure what ever happened with it.

Now that I've played more oddthought games (FM and GC) it's become apparent all of the things Rit has to take care of. After Jacx's frustration in the GC forum, was there any discussion to bringing another coder on to help balance the workload? I don't think any of us think he should drop out of school just to attend to our entertainment needs. I think all the games are great and run very well for the most part, but it does seem like we pile up requests faster than he can code them :)

[albetatd]

We need a Web Developer, to further enhance the site. Admin should be a balance of all that is required to run this site and keep enhancing it for us.