Nevermore The N00b

[Deadwood]

it was better than an edit. :P

tosser... go do one!

[GankOne]

This thread can be ended with one sentence: If Reds truly retired, there is only one "top" cartel in B games, and that is obviously Daqqers. (Take a look at the medal tables)

[the squid of despair]

Wow killabunny, way to show your ass.

[Rexel]

I rarely feel the need to post on these forums but you are an idiot for many reasons (Y)


edit not you killaho im taking about killbunny

[fire]

i love and respect you Nev....

[the squid of despair]

edit not you killaho im taking about killbunny

Thanks for the edit, I was gonna ask, lol.

[mousie]

i think killa is in the righthere thou because there are a lot of top cartels in b games!

[the squid of despair]

i think killa is in the righthere thou because there are a lot of top cartels in b games!

Says another n00b.

[Deadwood]

But hes so wrong when he says Nevermore is a noob! Nev has won overall, his cartel has gold medalled and he is a popular chap within the DW community.

So shut your mouth punk and show a little respect.

[mousie]

i been playin dw for about 7 - 8 months or more so there for i'm not a noob killaho!

[Pleb]

Hey nevermore,

Who the hell you think you are running your mouth to that lady like that?

You better check yourself. You would be messing with the wrong person. Come see me bitch boy I got something for you.

just so as your valuable contribution isn't forgotten :)

[mousie]

thats what i'm talking about go homie go!

[Expectation]

Originally Posted by emfs1969
Hey nevermore,

Who the hell you think you are running your mouth to that lady like that?

You better check yourself. You would be messing with the wrong person. Come see me bitch boy I got something for you.





And these statements comes from people who started in July and September....

Hmm, emfs's post was deleted?

[TraPStaR]

I love NEV... NoOb or not... what's the big deal...

Killaho is HoT... (wink wink) <--- gay love section i know i know...unless its a girl then were good :)

[Kloaked Spirit]

Emf deleted his own statement, because being e-gangsta is pretty n00bish.

Oh, and hi n00bs.

[mousie]

plus I AM a n00b. and damn proud of it. I never said any different. I'm just pointing out that NM thinks that all B cartels are shit. OMG can't anyone read anymore?

wow way to go

[Pleb]

I want to say one thing to Nevermore. I have known KillaBunny for several months. I disagree with the way in which you spoke to this lovely lady. I don't think you realize that when you mess with this young lady you are pretty much messing with me. I don't think you wanna go there. I have been in this game for a little over a year and several of my friends have also become a large part of the DW game. Brace yourself before you mess with the younglady again.

why do your posts keep disappearing?

[the squid of despair]

Why don't the cunts in this thread sign their rep? Now everyone gets negative rep.

EDIT: emfs1969 shut your crippled ass up.

[Lysol Baby]

oh wow im a noob again i havent been called that in over 4 years now and i dont have to to be in a top cartel these days now do i everyone knows most of the best cartels are not around anymore

heres a list of some of the cartels i have played for
Reds-daqqers-DHYM-Kahunas-Order Of The Assassins-Army Of Sin-CD

now how about a little about you
do you have a medal of any kind in all DW from your own cartel

do you have a overall or even a top 5

are you respected by others (after this ill say you will have lost some of that if you even had it in the first place)

[mousie]

right but i know all of emfs1969's post are true because he has been he longer then me and i been here for almost a year. and he is a good friend of ours. so :P

and you are one pricky person! none of this would have happen if you would have just told her who you played for in the first place. if your so proud of it then you shouldn't have had any problem running your mouth on which cartels, you had to have your friends on a game back you up! i think that is a noob MOVE myself but hey your king shit now aren't you! LMAO wow that was funny shit to write. YOU KING SHIT....LMFAO!

the last post was to NM!

[Kloaked Spirit]

KS you know nevermore said all the admin aren't the best players in DW. and I argued with him, that's why the whole discussion got started. Because I stuck up for admin, and he chooses to run his mouth about Pstyles.


But it's the truth to some extent. Take Rit for example. He made the game and he sucks at it. I don't think Jacx has ever won an overall either, and pstyle isn't allowed to win an overall if I recall right. I certainly wasn't a threat to anyone's B games because I rarely played in B games.

Now there's definitely notable players amongst the administration staff. However, if you were to list the best of the best, not all of the staff would make it.

[WildTurkey]

I want to say that I think that Nevermore should check himself before he messes with this younglady. He needs to back up and regroup. I could make threats all day long but that would be useless. As I now realize. It just doesn't make since. The more we sling words the mader everyone is going to get. I posted two (2) messages under my brothers name and he deleted both of them. Both were pretty aggressive. That was stupid of me and I am starting to realize that more and more. I play in B game and A games. I feel they both have different slants to the game. I feel that the cartels in A games would probably play better in B games because of the advantage of credit sales. But you Nevermore should not have slandered that young ladies feelings toward the B game cartels. You are entitled to an opinion as am I. That doesn't always mean you should voice that opinion. As I have learned the hard way. Please excuse the posts under EMFS1969 as they were me trying to flame things. I am responsible for that stupidity. I should have but did not learn from my action in another incident here recently.

[Lysol Baby]

none of this would have happen if you would have just told her who you played for in the first place. if your so proud of it then you shouldn't have had any problem running your mouth on which cartels, you had to have your friends on a game back you up! i think that is a noob MOVE myself but hey your king shit now aren't you! LMAO wow that was funny shit to write. YOU KING SHIT....LMFAO!


for your info i stated to me there are not any top cartels in B games anymore and i mean that

and i didnt send my friends in here to back me up i dont need to

I want to say that I think that Nevermore should check himself before he messes with this younglady. He needs to back up and regroup. I could make threats all day long but that would be useless. As I now realize. It just doesn't make since. The more we sling words the mader everyone is going to get. I posted two (2) messages under my brothers name and he deleted both of them. Both were pretty aggressive. That was stupid of me and I am starting to realize that more and more. I play in B game and A games. I feel they both have different slants to the game. I feel that the cartels in A games would probably play better in B games because of the advantage of credit sales. But you Nevermore should not have slandered that young ladies feelings toward the B game cartels. You are entitled to an opinion as am I. That doesn't always mean you should voice that opinion. As I have learned the hard way. Please excuse the posts under EMFS1969 as they were me trying to flame things. I am responsible for that as another incident recently which should have but did not teach me a lesson. I just think that you should back up and regroup before you voice yourself sometimes. As my little brother just forced me to do.



if you would have seen the other what else was said you just might think im in the right on this on
she started telling me that someone aint aloud to voice there thoughts in a cartels forum and that person gets banned for that heaven forbid i know if someone offered me helpfull tips you know i would listen i just started talking to her with in the last 24 hours (big mistake) i just had enough of her thinking she is the best in the game

people this is just a damn game

you even mentioned a cartel i co-founded and its not a top cartel (yet)union of greed

[Pleb]

But you Nevermore should not have slandered that young ladies feelings toward the B game cartels. You are entitled to an opinion as am I. That doesn't always mean you should voice that opinion. As I have learned the hard way.

Good man for coming back and clearing up the emf stuff, but...let me get this straight...He's allowed to think that the current B cartels are crap, but he's not allowed to say it? Why?

[dewrag]

lol, thanks for the good read guys. how bout a non-medal room cartel on cartel action to see who's better?

[the squid of despair]

I want to say that I think that Nevermore should check himself before he messes with this younglady. He needs to back up and regroup. I could make threats all day long but that would be useless. As I now realize. It just doesn't make since. The more we sling words the mader everyone is going to get. I posted two (2) messages under my brothers name and he deleted both of them. Both were pretty aggressive. That was stupid of me and I am starting to realize that more and more. I play in B game and A games. I feel they both have different slants to the game. I feel that the cartels in A games would probably play better in B games because of the advantage of credit sales. But you Nevermore should not have slandered that young ladies feelings toward the B game cartels. You are entitled to an opinion as am I. That doesn't always mean you should voice that opinion. As I have learned the hard way. Please excuse the posts under EMFS1969 as they were me trying to flame things. I am responsible for that as another incident recently which shouldA have but did not teach me a lesson. I just think that you should back up and regroup before you voice yourself sometimes. As my little brother just forced me to do.

Are you seriously a 54 year old man? If you read it again, she started the shit. I'll bet you're a cripple too so rather than say jog on son, I'll say roll on son, roll on.

[WildTurkey]

Good man for coming back and clearing up the emf stuff, but...let me get this straight...He's allowed to think that the current B cartels are crap, but he's not allowed to say it? Why?


Again let me clear up what I said. I did not say he was not allowed. Because we are all free to speak our mind. I just said that sometimes or opinions are better of left un-voiced. That is not to say that he can't because it is free speech right. I just wanted to point out that if he is ready to voice his thoughts and feeling then he needs to be able to handle all the other feelings and opinions that flare and flame as a result of what he said or did.

[nfc]

I smell gunning fun.:gunner: :w00t2:

[mousie]

well you know what NM the cartel your in, in your b10 is one of the best for b games and i understand b games aren't the best but just cause you don't like them doesn't mean you have to ruin it for other people. your opinion is ok but when you know it is wrong to say to someone then you should bit your tongue. you now be an adult. this shit is pissing me off because out of all the respect everyone says they have for each other in here they sure kiss ass to alot of people to get it. i make friends my way by asking questions or just try and talk to them if you would do the same people might have more respect for you outside of a game. idk what anyone says to me about this..... people JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE before they know them is wrong. like KILLAHO he doesn't know me from a whole it the ground and he still trys to knock me down well you know what there are other players to talk to other then people that need attention to have a life!

[Pleb]

Again let me clear up what I said. I did not say he was not allowed. Because we are all free to speak our mind. I just said that sometimes or opinions are better of left un-voiced. That is not to say that he can't because it is free speech right. I just wanted to point out that if he is ready to voice his thoughts and feeling then he needs to be able to handle all the other feelings and opinions that flare and flame as a result of what he said or did.

Fair enough. That applies to Candy too.

I smell gunning fun.

lol
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v319/tankexmortis/Smileys/th_1a09bf0b.gif

[the squid of despair]

like KILLAHO he doesn't know me from a whole it the ground and he still trys to knock me down well you know what there are other players to talk to other then people that need attention to have a life!

What did I say about you?

[mousie]

Omg Killaho If Oyu Knew Anything About That 54 Year Old Mad You Would Know If You Meet Him In A Dark Ally You Wouldn't Be So Much Of A Hard Ass And For Your Info Asshole He Is An Awesome Person Who Does Alot For Sick Children Dieing In Hospitals And Shit So Have Some Respect If You Are An Inch Of A Man Because I Bet You Would Have The Balls To Do Half The Shit Him And His Brother Do And Go Through!!!! Be A Man And Grow Some Hair On Your Balls And Respect Others Because Thats The Only Way Your Going To Get Respect!


Sorry For Everyone Else Who Have To Read This! I Am Truly Sorry!

[the squid of despair]

Omg Killaho If Oyu Knew Anything About That 54 Year Old Mad You Would Know If You Meet Him In A Dark Ally You Wouldn't Be So Much Of A Hard Ass And For Your Info Asshole He Is An Awesome Person Who Does Alot For Sick Children Dieing In Hospitals And Shit So Have Some Respect If You Are An Inch Of A Man Because I Bet You Would Have The Balls To Do Half The Shit Him And His Brother Do And Go Through!!!! Be A Man And Grow Some Hair On Your Balls And Respect Others Because Thats The Only Way Your Going To Get Respect!


Sorry For Everyone Else Who Have To Read This! I Am Truly Sorry!

Go lick your bull dyke. I wouldn't be surprised if she was more of a man than me.

[fire]

i love Nev...he is one of the best....i have never seen anyone say a bad thing about him..til now....im a noob....but i have 2 silvers...
Nevs cartel got me one of those....KiLLa BuNNy i respect you too...but Nev is a GOD.......and to let you also know....

LOVE RATS
THE PROFESSIONALS
THE UNDERGROUND (even though i hate you SOBs, ur a top cartel)
Skeletons of Society
Dope Connections
The Motherfuckin' Mafia
IDD
Reds
Daqqers
Mashers
Triple D
Beyond Control
DHYM
Union of Greed
Trap Stars
Executioners
White Powder
Street Forces
Titans
NWC
Domino Effect

Nevs B cartel is in your list....

lmao...

[WildTurkey]

Nevermore,

You and I have played together in Reds. I know and respect you for your skills in the game. I also know that you may have been in the right by your standards, and she may have been in the right by her standards. I just simply think that all of this could have been handled differently by everyone including me. If there is one thing I have learned this round, it is that no matter who you are or what you have accomplished, you need to always back up and regroup before you make your next move. As you may and or may not remember I have an extremely hot temper and that has come back to bite me in the ass this month in a huge way. In fact just a few posts ago can be another example. I have almost destroyed my relationship with my brother because of voicing my opinion and als0o speaking to quick.

[mousie]

Killaho Dont Be Mad Because You Can't Join You Insecure Ass!

[Jacx]

other than ks...your all noobs...so shut the fuck up the lot of ya

[Infernal Abomination]

hey i heard a rumor that killaho is a GIRL. is that true?

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

actually he is right there really isnt any top b cartels at most reds and daqqers other then that there really isnt any.

because he at FIRST said he runs with all top cartels, then he switched it up and said there were no good cartels in B games. That's a cop out. You don't have to medal to be a good cartel. I know of a lot of cartels in B games that are TOP cartels. and I'm not afraid to mention them, even IF i don't play for them. here:


LOVE RATS---descent cartel
THE PROFESSIONALS---new cartel they havent won shit
THE UNDERGROUND (even though i hate you SOBs, ur a top cartel)--sucks ass
Skeletons of Society--i play for them they are an ok cartel but not top
Dope Connections===another mediocre cartel that aint won shit
The Motherfuckin' Mafia--who the fuck are they?
IDD----who the fuck are they
Reds---retired
Daqqers--only cartel that might be considered a top cartel
Mashers----trash cartel
Triple D----mediocre cartel
Beyond Control----trash
DHYM----average on a good day
Union of Greed---they havent even completed a full round yet
Trap Stars---run of the mill average cartel
Executioners----who the fuck are they
White Powder----who the fuck are they
Street Forces---have had more people dq'd for cheating then any cartel in history
Titans--descent cartel but not tops
NWC---descent cartel but not tops
Domino Effect---hasnt won shit in ages

And any other cartel that anyone might be in. Because for one reason or another, you're there aren't you? So F' THE BS. All the cartels are great for some reason, and therefor they're TOP CARTELS.

Winning medals only show you know how to run ur strat and play. DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE A TOP CARTEL! It's the LOVE of your cartel, that makes you a TOP CARTEL.

and honestly killabunny and mousie im cool with yall but he was making a point and want any need he wasnt disrespecting anyone but when you play game long as me and him you can say there isnt any top cartels like there was in the old days..everyone has there own definition of a top cartel nev is entitled to his.. and you noobs should relax before attacking one of the most respected players in game

lot of you noobs make a mountain oout of a mole hill and this is a prime example

[Jacx]

actually backs up tung here too...the old days carts used to face off against each other on a1 and b1...now u all fanny about in seperate rooms so you all avoid a real fight. So yeh...there is no big time B carts these days...when they go back to facing off and then winning they can call themselves that.

edit: Oh and apparently according to the last post i need to get a life....im gutted...its all over, im being flamed to death...oh the pain..the sorrow...the stupididty of me for posting in a thread ... in a forum...thats about debate..oh im so so dumb...


shut the fuck up u tards, useless twats, learn to play the real game then come in here and say that shit

[the squid of despair]

Killaho Dont Be Mad Because You Can't Join You Insecure Ass!

Trust me, I'm not upset because I can't join. I've seen the pics. As far as being insecure, sure I am. It goes back to being teased by women about my small penis and the fact that I haven't been laid in over 5 years.

[mousie]

all i'm trying to say tung is people should have repect for people and not talk shit about people they haven't even talk to before!

[SNOWBLIND]

Sad...Sad....Sad people...your a noob, I am a noob, we have had this disscussion over and over, we all were noobs, some of us still are. I have never medal, I have never made it in the top 10, but I do have fun playing...So who is in the wrong for saying there are no good cartels in B games? Would I be wrong if I said I didn't like AOY? (Just Ex. Nev) Would I be wrong for saying I don't like Underground (Truth) Would I be wrong for saying I don't like Triple D's(Peachy and Wolves are THE SHIT), or AOD or Soopavillians, I can go on and on and on....No I wouldn't be in the wrong, causeit is all opinions, and everyones opinions are free of charge. And as I always say "CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG" If all the cartels where the same everyone would have a Gold, or would it be everyone was last?

[Pleb]

all i'm trying to say tung is people should have repect for people

you mean like this?

NEV says:
there are no top cartels in B games to me
NEV says:
not like there use to be
::KiLLa BuNNy:: aka CaNDyWRaPPeR says:
WHATever
::KiLLa BuNNy:: aka CaNDyWRaPPeR says:
you just said you ran with top cartels in b
::KiLLa BuNNy:: aka CaNDyWRaPPeR says:
NOOB

[WildTurkey]

Are you seriously a 54 year old man? If you read it again, she started the shit. I'll bet you're a cripple too so rather than say jog on son, I'll say roll on son, roll on.


Okay let me say this an d then I am done. There are a lot of things that can and have been said. I am a very hot headed individual, so I will be very careful what I write. You do not know EMFS1969 and you know nothing about him. You don't know anything about me either. It is pretty big place the web. I will leave after making this last statement. There are ways of finding out who people on the internet are. Should I find out who you are KillaHo, because of the statement you posted here, I will slap your ass with a slander suit. That statement about my brother and I is out of line. My brother has health issues that keep him from doing a lot, but he is by no means crippled. As for myself, I am a Vet and still as capable as I was 27 years ago when I came home. People slammed me then and people still slam me for the job I did over there. You can say many things but be very cautios from here on out because if you do slip up and I am able to find out who you are I will sue. Keep your mouth in check chump.

[Jacx]

re quotes..



you mean like this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mousie
all i'm trying to say tung is people should have repect for people


you mean like this?


Quote:
NEV says:
there are no top cartels in B games to me
NEV says:
not like there use to be
::KiLLa BuNNy:: aka CaNDyWRaPPeR says:
WHATever
::KiLLa BuNNy:: aka CaNDyWRaPPeR says:
you just said you ran with top cartels in b
::KiLLa BuNNy:: aka CaNDyWRaPPeR says:
NOOB


Oh and stop expecting people to get along...this is accusations insults and whining...the gay love in section is in open house...thanks!

point being candy...there is NO decent challange in B games...fine fine u and nev had a row, both of u get over it...but dont slate a point of view, the challange is not there like it used to be...the convo really has moved on to this whole issue...is there any carts worth their salt in B...nope

[the squid of despair]

Okay let me say this an d then I am done. There are a lot of things that can and have been said. I am a very hot headed individual, so I will be very careful what I write. You do not know EMFS1969 and you know nothing about him. You don't know anything about me either. It is pretty big place the web. I will leave after making this last statement. There are ways of finding out who people on the internet are. Should I find out who you are KillaHo, because of the statement you posted here, I will slap your ass with a slander suit. That statement about my brother and I is out of line. My brother has health issues that keep him from doing a lot, but he is by no means crippled. As for myself, I am a Vet and still as capable as I was 27 years ago when I came home. People slammed me then and people still slam me for the job I did over there. You can say many things but be very cautios from here on out because if you do slip up and I am able to find out who you are I will sue. Keep your mouth in check chump.

You don't scare me.

[mousie]

no that is directed to killaho!

[Infernal Abomination]

Is Killaho A Girl Or Guy??? Someone Told Me Its A Girl! Please Answer

edit posts shuffled

[Kloaked Spirit]

Should I find out who you are KillaHo, because of the statement you posted here, I will slap your ass with a slander suit.

...

You can say many things but be very cautios from here on out because if you do slip up and I am able to find out who you are I will sue.

Good luck with that one sir. You may find help at http://www.e-lawyers.com.

[Jacx]

it depends on what you call a good cartel. because love and loyalty makes a good cartel, and when i see someone can pull a whole damn room into a single cartel, then i'll say they are a GOOD player. LMAO

room into a cart...explain please...that confused me

if someone can organize ONE cartel name, and put the whole god damn room into the same cartels (a non private non medal room), then I MIGHT be impressed and think they are a good player.


Till then, i agree, all N00bs. LOL

u mean likw when SA got 200 odd people to play under their cart name...they were noobs, they still kicked everyones arse

[WildTurkey]

Good luck with that one sir. You may find help at http://www.e-lawyers.com.

Yeah that seems pretty funny. But you would be surprised what a person can find out when they apply themselves. But enough I just wanted to remind the KillaHo that he was out of line and really be more careful. I don't care what he says about me but my brother is a good man that accomplished a great deal in a short time. And he doesn't deserve to be disrespected by a moron that doesn't know what he is talking about.

[Kloaked Spirit]

Yeah that seems pretty funny. But you would be surprised what a person can find out when they apply themselves. But enough I just wanted to remind the KillaHo that he was out of line and really be more careful. I don't care what he says about me but my brother is a good man that accomplished a great deal in a short time. And he doesn't deserve to be disrespected by a moron that doesn't know what he is talking about.

I couldn't care less about who hates who and who insulted who. It's A/I/W so it's allowed in this section. All I was commenting on is that your slander suit wouldn't hold up in any court. For a slander suit to stick, you'd have to be able to prove injury or damages caused as a direct result of what he said. You would not be able to establish either, and therefore have no case. Hell he has a better chance of bringing charges of terroristic threatening against you, and even those are non-existant.

[Expectation]

and HAHA april 2006? so you joined a couple months ahead of time. big deal!


This forum got up and running in april.

Edit: people had to sign up again for this new version and that happened sometime in early April

and not a scramble room. a room like b9

B9, tough room :-#



And 8 pages in 2 hours...

edit: Go here for a picture of flogging a dead horse
http://www.fourteenballstoy.co.uk/flogger350x450.jpg

[nfc]

point being candy...there is NO decent challange in B games...fine fine u and nev had a row, both of u get over it...but dont slate a point of view, the challange is not there like it used to be...the convo really has moved on to this whole issue...is there any carts worth their salt in B...nope

:fu: :bitch:

[Jacx]

This forum got up and running in april.




B9, tough room :-#



And 8 pages in 2 hours...


http://oldforum.oddthought.com/

29 May 2003<<< is when the forum started...this is just the newer updated version.. ;)

[Jacx]

yea but i wanna see someone organize a 400 person cartel.

but then they would have no one to play :S

my point is the so called BEST carts in B games should get back into B1 and face each other off

[the myth]

yea but i wanna see someone organize a 400 person cartel.


die noob die















just fucking listen and die

[the squid of despair]

die noob die

















just fucking listen and die

Lawsuit mother fucker.

[Expectation]

PLUS I DID GET 8 pages in less then 2 Hours!

go candy n00b go! YaY for the candy N00b!


double post much?

[Bonez]

To Killaho
Get lade bitch, It will calm you down. Even I.. the king noobs knows that much!

[Phuquit]

who moved all my god damn posts?
The forum clock has been changed to GMT from Bangladeshi time.
This means that certain posts are now in the wrong place.

[the squid of despair]

To Killaho
Get lade bitch, It will calm you down. Even I.. the king noobs knows that much!

I love how I bring out the best in people.

[steff]

The top A game cartel of all time doesn't even get a mention? :O Shame on you Nev ;)

[the myth]

The top A game cartel of all time doesn't even get a mention? :O Shame on you Nev ;)


i am sure he said reds;)

[Dymond]

i love Nev...he is one of the best....i have never seen anyone say a bad thing about him..til now....im a noob....but i have 2 silvers...
Nevs cartel got me one of those....KiLLa BuNNy i respect you too...but Nev is a GOD.......and to let you also know....

LOVE RATS
THE PROFESSIONALS
THE UNDERGROUND (even though i hate you SOBs, ur a top cartel)
Skeletons of Society
Dope Connections
The Motherfuckin' Mafia
IDD
Reds
Daqqers
Mashers
Triple D
Beyond Control
DHYM
Union of Greed
Trap Stars
Executioners
White Powder
Street Forces
Titans
NWC
Domino Effect

Nevs B cartel is in your list....

lmao...


*Sniff* The Street Kings has won B7 almost every round for over a year.. I'm telling ya I get no respect..

Honestly though over half the cartels in that list are shite..Just cause you play in a medal round...doesn't make you good :-)

[tca]

Top B Cartels

Daqqers
Reds

Decent B Cartels

Love Rats
NWC
Street Kings

yep, no compeition sorry, with reds fucking off, leaves daqqers an open road to smoke you fools, whoever said it was right, KS is the only one who has posted in this thread who isn't a noob, since he was the 3rd person ever in the game

so if you noobs wanna keep shit talking, get a better fucking topic, losers