A way to restrict noobs and multis (poll)

[tupenblatz]

I have mentioned this to a few people and most seem to like it. I am sure all vets agree noobs and multis are ruining alot of the team games we play. My idea is that all players have a "lock" on what they are able to do untill given the orders to do so. The lock wouldnt stop them from researching or building but it would stop them from attacking until it was decided as a team to do so. This would work really well against multis there would be no reason for them other than spying on the other team which doesnt do a lot of good anyways cuz if they tell their team what they know then they will get reported. Alot of people want the generals to handle this, but i say with only 1 person controling a team it would be just as bad and it would promote rank whoring. I suggest a panel of the 5 highest ranking people on your team make the decisions after discussing it with the rest of the team. The panel would also need a majority vote (i.e. 3:2) b4 anything lock can be lifted. Let me know what you all think and why you think it.

[EAGLE]

we we're all noobs at 1 point so noobs our furure get off there asses

[tupenblatz]

we we're all noobs at 1 point so noobs our furure get off there asses
true but this is mostly for the multi situation that we have and it will enable us to teach the noobs b4 they can do something dumb and prevent the ones that just refuse to work as a team from running around doing as they please

[EAGLE]

true but this is mostly for the multi situation that we have and it will enable us to teach the noobs b4 they can do something dumb and prevent the ones that just refuse to work as a team from running around doing as they please

if u think there's a multi send a report and i'll look into it

[tupenblatz]

if u think there's a multi send a report and i'll look into it
i dont like to just report on a hunch i have only ever reported 1 person and i think it ended up in a ban cuz they never came back it's really hard to tell who is and who isnt

[Xlliance]

wouldnt help that much like they could still build then fuk off....

[tupenblatz]

wouldnt help that much like they could still build then fuk off....
it would really help out in the 5 team games and in ww2 for axis the way it is now axis has no chance of winning cuz someone always busts way to early for them and so what if they build and do nothing they arent hurting the team that way

[Grendel]

And what happens when, as I've frequently seen happen in WW2, the "top" 5 players are all offline? A whole team sits there unable to do anything while another team rampages across the map...

[Xlliance]

it would really help out in the 5 team games and in ww2 for axis the way it is now axis has no chance of winning cuz someone always busts way to early for them and so what if they build and do nothing they arent hurting the team that waythere hurting the game...multies build AA's barracks then fuk off

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

is there a way to restrict these polls lol

[tupenblatz]

And what happens when, as I've frequently seen happen in WW2, the "top" 5 players are all offline? A whole team sits there unable to do anything while another team rampages across the map...
lol i knew someone was going to ask that question and the only answer i have is if there are only 2 team members of any rank on then they have to agree to attack and if there is only one of any rank then they can go ahead and stop a team from winning or be a multi prick and bust for the hell of it but there are not many time when there is only 1 on

[WILDKILLACHILD]

im not gonna vote on this 1...

on the 1 hand yes it would be good for dealing with multis ruining games...

on the other...

with noobs..

the best way to learn.. is the hard way...
what understanding would you have of the concept of not busting your borders until you were ready... or even WHEN when you were ready would be if you hadnt learned the hard way what it does to yuor team in general...

thats why they call learning a process...
i have only been playing for a few months....

i can get into 5 team professional...

but i would still consider myself a noob....


in short.. the idea has its ups and downs...
so im gonna go with the green party on this 1 and just throw my vote into the wind..

[tupenblatz]

im not gonna vote on this 1...

on the 1 hand yes it would be good for dealing with multis ruining games...

on the other...

with noobs..

the best way to learn.. is the hard way...
what understanding would you have of the concept of not busting your borders until you were ready... or even WHEN when you were ready would be if you hadnt learned the hard way what it does to yuor team in general...

thats why they call learning a process...
i have only been playing for a few months....

i can get into 5 team professional...

but i would still consider myself a noob....


in short.. the idea has its ups and downs...
so im gonna go with the green party on this 1 and just throw my vote into the wind..
the biggest problem with noobs is they dont understand yet but most of them dont think to ask b4 they do something then everyone rips them a new ass and they are hated right off the bat by some of the hot heads in the game this would stop them from making that initial move b4 asking someone what they should do and almost anyone on the site would love to help i know i do

[KidA1337]

I agree with tupenblatz we might be able to report someone but it's usually after someone has busted and ruined the game.
Maybe there should be a way for the mods to ban IPs.
You say that there will be less ppl joining the game if they aren't aloud to do anything, but what about those that are already here. Won't it be worse losing players that have been playing a while because they get frustrated with noobs that don't listen or multis that do what they want.

[Baldor]

Didn't see the "Shoot Them" option in the poll so I didn't vote.

A lock on busting would be good, but you'll need anybody of say. . . Colonel or Major or above to be able to unlock it, as I have seen these ranks lead timely and successful assaults when no higher rank was on-line.

This auto-lock should only apply for the first ... 250-500 cycles, after that a team has geared up, and has to deal with the busting.

[tupenblatz]

Didn't see the "Shoot Them" option in the poll so I didn't vote.

A lock on busting would be good, but you'll need anybody of say. . . Colonel or Major or above to be able to unlock it, as I have seen these ranks lead timely and successful assaults when no higher rank was on-line.

This auto-lock should only apply for the first ... 250-500 cycles, after that a team has geared up, and has to deal with the busting.
thats why i suggested the panel of 5 highes ranking officers online not just the 5 highest on the team i should have clairified that and if there arent 5 on only 3 then 2 out of the 3 have to agree to bust/attack/make treaties not just one person unless there is only 1 person on which wont be that often and i like the lock until a certain cycle idea we can throw that in too

[WILDKILLACHILD]

noobs... eventually catch on to what they are doing wrong....


scenario A...

a noob is allowed to run amuk and ruin what ever games he wants to... the hot headed vets get mad at him and flame him for being a " stupid noob" eventually he catches the drift that taking land isnt necessarily a good thing... that noob learns the game structure and concept... and someday moves up the ladders to become a very effective general.. cuz he learned through playing and learning hands on what to do and not to do and when ...


scenario B..

a ban is placed into effect... noobs are banned from making STUPID moves... the vets are happy... thier game RIGHT NOW isnt ruined.... the noob learns nothing of the concept of the importance of keeping your land to a minimal.... moves up the ranks as the current "vets" move on to bigger better things or for some reason just dont play any more... and because he did not learn what the fuck he was doing when he started playing... he really hasnt got the slightest clue as to how to run his army effectively... the game sucks anyway in the long run....


you know how i learned not to bust my borders ??

busting the borders and watching my capitol get taken and not being able to do a god damned thing about it.

[KidA1337]

what about scenario C

Multi joins game with n00b account busts gets banned creates another account does it agian, and agian, and agian.....so on


Whats everyones brilliant solution for that... ban ips can still be gotten around
tupen has the best solution

[WILDKILLACHILD]

as far as the multis is concerned... i agree.. it is a good solution....

however as far as letting noobs learn what they are doing... its very bad.

in this type of situation there really is no great solution....

only angry hotheads

[tupenblatz]

as far as the multis is concerned... i agree.. it is a good solution....

however as far as letting noobs learn what they are doing... its very bad.

in this type of situation there really is no great solution....

only angry hotheads
thats why it is put on us vets to teach the noobs how to play not just ignore them cuz they wont be able to ruin the game i guarantee if a noob tries to attack he'll ask the team why he can and it can be said because of way back in the day noobs just busted and ruined the game for everyone thus learning the concept of not to bust and how to play

[WILDKILLACHILD]

true....

if i dont know why i can or cant do something i ask someone who might...

you have swayed my opinion....

my vote yes.

[chiu00]

hate it . if u need a panel of 5 to agree for an attack u might as well just play for me. those game take long as it is and u want to make it longer. noobs will always be here so teach em dont restrict em. and multis been around for ages get use to it like eagle said, "report them" dont just bitch

[tupenblatz]

hate it . if u need a panel of 5 to agree for an attack u might as well just play for me. those game take long as it is and u want to make it longer. noobs will always be here so teach em dont restrict em. and multis been around for ages get use to it like eagle said, "report them" dont just bitch

it would only be a panel of 5 if there were 5 online if not then 3 or 2 or even 1 if there is only one online as the 5 team games were designed to last a long time that is why they're set at 3 min cycles and takes so freaking long to research stuff

[Xlliance]

i vote no...its a shitty idea ...sorry
every game has noobs just gotta put up with it..

[Fury]

I hate it. That leaves the door wide open for people to just join games and not participate so they can later lock games and be assholes. The multi thing is worse it seems like to me.
I made mistakes when I was a newb and no one hates me. (not that I know of anyway :P) Mistakes happen. I took a country one time when you go to attack the player and you capture instead? I'm sure everyone has done that. Shit happens and it's part of the game. A round isn't ruined if a newb busts early, just makes the team have to watch more and what's wrong with that? Keeps the team online more.

[Pleb]

I get frustrated by people doing dumb things sometimes...but it makes the times when people actually work together so much more worthwhile. When things go right, you know that they've gone right and its because you worked together as a team.

I think that if there was a lock or whatever on new players doing things, the game would be the worse for it. Yes, multis abuse the system, but I dont think that any player or group of players should be able to dictate how the game is played. You do your best to get people to work together, but if someone chooses to fuck things up, in the end of the day thats their choice. You can ask them not to do it again, explain what they did wrong, abuse them on the game board if you want.

What you are talking about would be a massive change in the game ethos and enviroment. At the moment, this is a cooperative effort. We play as a team to win.

If someone decides to make a multi in order to (for example) repeatedly screw Axis, it sucks for everyone else. That could be stopped by banning new players from busting until approved by someone of over a certain rank....but tbh I think that it would cause more problems.

[Raith]

:S So whats a noob and a muti...............

This is what I think you should qualify in 2 of the 3
1) Dump the pro game and call it intermediate
a) in order to play u must have a certain rank
b) also u must have been playing for a certain amount of months
c) have a premium account
2) if u are taged and there is prof that u r a multi u will band
to beginner game and stripped of rank and time played (ie start all over)
and forfit your premiun accout for 6 month

Once we have enough players to have a prof game this is how i would do it
you should qualify in 2 of the 3

1) Open new pro game
a) in order to play u must have a certain rank
b) also u must have been playing for a certain amount of months in
intermediate game
c) have a premium account
2) if u are taged and there is prof that u r a multi u will band
to beginner game and stripped of rank and time played (ie start all over)
and forfit your premiun accout for 6 month

[Stoned]

early busting and attacking iz all apart of the game...and treadon likez it and will keep it that way...u guyz need 2 stop complaining about thiz shit....seemz like every 4 mounthz someone haz an idea that resemblez the last about keeping ppl from attacking....if ur team really deservez 2 win u should be able 2 bust at any cycle and win...thatz the way i see it......and im sure treadon seez it somewhat simialer

[Raith]

early busting and attacking iz all apart of the game...and treadon likez it and will keep it that way...u guyz need 2 stop complaining about thiz shit....seemz like every 4 mounthz someone haz an idea that resemblez the last about keeping ppl from attacking....if ur team really deservez 2 win u should be able 2 bust at any cycle and win...thatz the way i see it......and im sure treadon seez it somewhat simialer

I dont care about bustin i think u should bust bust early not wait and hope u are lucky enough to win but paly and not sit my idea is just realy for multi player why risk starting over and i think my idea would slove alot of problems not all but a lot

[tupenblatz]

lol looks like we are all about 50/50 on this but let me clarify. it wouldnt ban anyone from playing the game. just stop them from attacking/busting b4 the team decides its ok. alot of noobs bust b4 they ask how to play the 5 team games and ww2 these are meant to be team games so i say dont let anyone just come in and start taking abunch of land and building aa's/bunkers/labs and all other buildings all over the map it not only hurts them it hurts the team. that's what this is for not to hurt the noobs but force them to ask questions so that we can teach them. if i tried to attack something and it said i couldnt i would ask why. but it is however to prevent the use of multis to ruin a game for the team this is to help us all out not to hurt anyone

[Dietryin]

we we're all noobs at 1 point so noobs our furure get off there asses


eagle we were never n00bs we tested all the games that were brought in
so when they were ready we new how to play

but the thing with n00bs spoiling games isnt fun now
we need a solution
for too long we have been saying hes a n00b he will learn :(

but as long as new people can jion there gonna kill the game

think it over and all you mods get your heads together and talk to treadon

please

[Timoteo32]

As a noob myself, i've been playing pretty obsessivly for 2 weeks but i think i have the hang of most of the games. A million thanks to smurfette, tupenblatz, maxpg, hyperion, and everyone else who helped me. I joined this way to late to quote all the people who've made relevent points but here's how it looks to me:

Wild is right. Scenario A is much better. And if people are smart enough to realize they're new, they'll take their hazing and get better. If not, they'll quit and you didn't want them playing anyway.

Raith's idea isn't a bad one, but if you're a proven multi i say banned period (not just reset) is better cause you could still ruin beginner games and people wouldn't want to play long enough to get to the intermediate level. you might want to remove the premmie clause though cause that could allow stupid people to buy their way into your games but anyway.

Part of the problem is how rank is calculated though. I don't bust but i'll admit that it's tempting to rank whore. I don't yet qualify for 5-team pro but that's cause i sit in cap and try and do what's best for my team. If rank was somehow recalculated so running around taking shit wasn't worth near as much, you might see a lot of these dumbasses lose interest.

What about some sort of recomendation system? You need someone who has proven stature to vouch for you and that's how you get into more advanced games. Say for example the Top 30 people in VP over the past 3 months can vouch for you to get you into intermediate where a new rank/vp system starts?

[Grendel]

Simply enforce the current rule, as stated in the Terms of Service, rigidly...

I was told months ago this was going to happen, but it still doesn't and I doubt it ever will.

[Monkeyman]

Say for example the Top 30 people in VP over the past 3 months can vouch for you to get you into intermediate where a new rank/vp system starts?

While I applaud your use of sentence structure, I think this is a really bad idea, 95% of the people in the top vp's thing never change, it's always they same people. So if they don't like someone, what, they don't get in? But, basically vp's mean NOTHING.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

how bout we just ban the vets

[j_dogg42065]

quit ur bitchin bro. Who gives a fuck if noobs are attackin before they should? Makes the games go quicker, or sometimes last longer. I say that 5 people shouldn't be able to govern what the entire team does, that's just fucked up. I say it stays the same as it is now. If it's made to where 5 people control the whole thing, most people will more than likely quit playing those games, I know I would. It's just pointless like that. Might as well make it so there's only 5 people per team then! Keep the games the way they are, they work good and are fun

[tupenblatz]

quit ur bitchin bro. Who gives a fuck if noobs are attackin before they should? Makes the games go quicker, or sometimes last longer. I say that 5 people shouldn't be able to govern what the entire team does, that's just fucked up. I say it stays the same as it is now. If it's made to where 5 people control the whole thing, most people will more than likely quit playing those games, I know I would. It's just pointless like that. Might as well make it so there's only 5 people per team then! Keep the games the way they are, they work good and are fun
you say that cuz you are one of the people that gets bored playing so you run around and attack the shit out of everything around you i have watched you play and its why you like ti

[Jimmy James]

Simply enforce the current rule, as stated in the Terms of Service, rigidly...

I was told months ago this was going to happen, but it still doesn't and I doubt it ever will.

accounts are banned, but if someone wants to be an asshole and create more accounts, then it's impossible to stop them. name one multi who is still around, other then the 1 guy who makes 10 new accounts every day

[Monkeyman]

accounts are banned, but if someone wants to be an asshole and create more accounts, then it's impossible to stop them. name one multi who is still around, other then the 1 guy who makes 10 new accounts every day

Does this include multi's that were banned then unbanned?

[Jimmy James]

Does this include multi's that were banned then unbanned?

he was gone for 30 days

[Grendel]

accounts are banned, but if someone wants to be an asshole and create more accounts, then it's impossible to stop them. name one multi who is still around, other then the 1 guy who makes 10 new accounts every day

Lets go for the obvious one then, Nolan4. He's back in FM already...

Like I said "Simply enforce the current rule, as stated in the Terms of Service, rigidly..."

That means a multi means a 3 month ban, not a week, not 2 weeks, not 30 days. 3 Months. Next offence means a One Year ban.

Like the Terms of Service state. But I suspect that those will soon be changed...

[KACK]

i wanted to make it even so i chose Bad idea i hate it

[eggs]

I have mentioned this to a few people and most seem to like it. I am sure all vets agree noobs and multis are ruining alot of the team games we play. My idea is that all players have a "lock" on what they are able to do untill given the orders to do so. The lock wouldnt stop them from researching or building but it would stop them from attacking until it was decided as a team to do so. This would work really well against multis there would be no reason for them other than spying on the other team which doesnt do a lot of good anyways cuz if they tell their team what they know then they will get reported. Alot of people want the generals to handle this, but i say with only 1 person controling a team it would be just as bad and it would promote rank whoring. I suggest a panel of the 5 highest ranking people on your team make the decisions after discussing it with the rest of the team. The panel would also need a majority vote (i.e. 3:2) b4 anything lock can be lifted. Let me know what you all think and why you think it.

WUT IF THOSE 5 PEOPLE DONT COME ON?

[j_dogg42065]

you say that cuz you are one of the people that gets bored playing so you run around and attack the shit out of everything around you i have watched you play and its why you like ti


you've watched me play it... yeah ok. Whenever you're at my house, all I do is build. Never attack until I get the word. And I'm always a jetter, so I don't attack until someone posts what needs 00ed. You just get mad cuz 5 team beginner doesn't last 10 million cycles and you can't ever build shit up all the way. I think that you wanna make a panel of 5 people to run it, ok, i say since you need to have a certain rank score to get into professional 5 team, maybe we shouldn't let professionals play in beginner 5 team! That'd take care of the whole problem

[tupenblatz]

WUT IF THOSE 5 PEOPLE DONT COME ON?

i think i clarified this else where but here goes. it doesnt have to be the 5 top people on your team no matter what it can be the top 5 on at that moment or the top 3 if there is only one on then they have all the power but if 2 are on they must agree to make a move but with only 2 people online are you seriously going to take an entire team? doubtful

[tupenblatz]

you've watched me play it... yeah ok. Whenever you're at my house, all I do is build. Never attack until I get the word. And I'm always a jetter, so I don't attack until someone posts what needs 00ed. You just get mad cuz 5 team beginner doesn't last 10 million cycles and you can't ever build shit up all the way. I think that you wanna make a panel of 5 people to run it, ok, i say since you need to have a certain rank score to get into professional 5 team, maybe we shouldn't let professionals play in beginner 5 team! That'd take care of the whole problem

i am not just talking about 5 team i am talking ww2 also. i dont want the game to last 10 million cycles but i would like it if the team had time to build tanks or jets if a team goes all troopers and other teams go mostly tanks with some jets and a few troopers early busts means the other teams are gone in a hurry as they have not had time to research anything yet ask southern army a round or 2 ago (which by the way was a nice win for you guys that were on the team lol)

[chiu00]

i think i clarified this else where but here goes. it doesnt have to be the 5 top people on your team no matter what it can be the top 5 on at that moment or the top 3 if there is only one on then they have all the power but if 2 are on they must agree to make a move but with only 2 people online are you seriously going to take an entire team? doubtful
in wwii yes 2 people can win a game its been done plenty of times in the old wwii and the 1 they got now....

[Jimmy James]

in wwii yes 2 people can win a game its been done plenty of times in the old wwii and the 1 they got now....

yeah, me and stoned used to win ww2 with any team, busted or not. it can be done

[chiu00]

done it on all 3 teams and by myself several times yea 1 man army

[Jimmy James]

Lets go for the obvious one then, Nolan4. He's back in FM already...

Like I said "Simply enforce the current rule, as stated in the Terms of Service, rigidly..."

That means a multi means a 3 month ban, not a week, not 2 weeks, not 30 days. 3 Months. Next offence means a One Year ban.

Like the Terms of Service state. But I suspect that those will soon be changed...

ok, but he didn't create multis, he used other people's accounts. still cheating, and he still got banned, should it have been 90 days? maybe, but there's other factors too, and you don't know what the stipulations were for his reinstatement either.

[Grendel]

ok, but he didn't create multis, he used other people's accounts. still cheating, and he still got banned, should it have been 90 days? maybe, but there's other factors too, and you don't know what the stipulations were for his reinstatement either.

So what you're telling me is that using other people's accounts to feed yourself in FM is only worth a 1 month ban, yet creating a second account to spy on another team in WW2 is worth 3 months?

Cheating is cheating.

[Jimmy James]

So what you're telling me is that using other people's accounts to feed yourself in FM is only worth a 1 month ban, yet creating a second account to spy on another team in WW2 is worth 3 months?

Cheating is cheating.

no, I'm saying that there is no set time limit on it. you wanna quote the user agreement, here you go...

4. Using an account to boost a different account is forbidden.

no time limit, it's at the mods discretion, and the mod who banned him used his judgment and allowed him back. and if it was me, I would have too.

[tca]

tupenblatz, your a fuckhead

[Grendel]

no, I'm saying that there is no set time limit on it. you wanna quote the user agreement, here you go...

4. Using an account to boost a different account is forbidden.

no time limit, it's at the mods discretion, and the mod who banned him used his judgment and allowed him back. and if it was me, I would have too.

But a precedent has now been set, anyone else that does this and receives a longer ban can complain of being victimised. Way to go to stamp out cheating! :@

It seems to me that keeping people happy is more important than enforcing the rules and getting rid of cheats...

[Red Dragon]

what about

Leaving the existing games the way they are. Just add a few "elite" games that you have to have a certain amount of vp's to gain access.

1)Multis wouldnt be able to get vp's up that high before getting caught
2)newbs would learn the games before gaining access to these games

Kinda like 5 team pro except that is too easy to get into

[Timoteo32]

tupenblatz, your a fuckhead


Now there's a familiar face i haven't seen in this forum. Do you play GC or just wander in here looking for new spamming locations? :)

[Monkeyman]

Now there's a familiar face i haven't seen in this forum. Do you play GC or just wander in here looking for new spamming locations? :)

He just wanders around being a fuckknob generally.

[Timoteo32]

He just wanders around being a fuckknob generally.


Nah, TCA is a good guy. I'm just not used to seeing him outside of the DW forum.

[tca]

lol nah, i often wander about mate, i get bored so i just go walk abouts :P