Double internet connection?

[steff]

Is it possible to have 2 computers connected to the internet via 1 internet connection? I'm supposed to be getting my new PC delivered today (2 months after order :argh: ) and would like to have both PC's internet enabled once I get a new chair and table for the PC. Is it possible? If so, how?

[Bagmanstu]

If you have broadband just get yourself a modem/router and conect to the net through that , most of them now come with 4 ports to set up an instant home network. Another advantage of this is that the modem/router normaly has a hardware firewall included.

Your new pc will have a network port and if your old one needs one a network card is only about £8-£10

[Grendel]

Works for me! I got 4 computers in my house net-enabled.

[steff]

Can I give one PC 3mb BB and the other 5mb? E.g. can I set the figures to what I want. (assuming I have 8mb BB which I will have when I can be arsed changing on the Tiscali site)

[Bagmanstu]

The router takes care of all that for you, spreading the load as needed on the fly so both would pull 8meg BB as they need it,

[steff]

That's great news. So the list of things I need to buy are:
-a new computer chair
-a new computer desk
-a router
-another wire.... thingy... to connect from my router to my other PC

Now, I assume there are different routers. Which are better than others?

[steff]

But it'll be more expensive, right? :P

[steff]

But I only plan to have 1 cable linking from the router to my bedroom so I have a PC in the living room and the bedroom. The bedroom is for my brother and my torrents mind you lol

[Asshole]

+ wires are 10x more reliable, if you have tiscali id stay away from belkin routers they kick up all kinds of fuss, but if you have blueyonder (best ISP in britain without a doubt) belkin routers kick ass

[Asshole]

dosent matter in my experience, if yove got a couple of walls to go through wirless usually dosent work to well, id recommend wires anyday of the week, i have a wireless router purley to connect my wii but the PC is plugged into it via a wire, and wii is in the same room so i dont have connectivity probs

[the myth]

But it'll be more expensive, right? :P

and not as good
close but a wired setup is cheaper and faster

[DnD]

not necessarily, iam running a wireless network here and to cable everyroom would cost me £400

are you adding the cost for somebody to come install the cables for you?

[Dymond]

I would say if possible go wired. It is cheaper and faster than Wireless but if you can't get wired to the other room easily, wireless is an alternative. As for assigning bandwidth to certain IPs this can be done with higher end switches and routers but most low end home-use routers and switches don't have this capability.

[Jacx]

the wire steff is a RJ45 lead otherwise known as a cat 5 patch cable.

If i was still in the uk i could make u one for a quid, however im not so its gonna cost 10-30 quid depending on how long its gonna be!

edit: laughs.... 2 meter lead is Price inc VAT

£14.99 at pc world...ha see thats why i made my own, greedy bastards

[ruffnready]

lolsteff im about to go through the same hassle,plus im no that much pc litterate :$ just got myself new laptop,im about to set the pc up in kids room to keep them away from it,im currently on bb just now but about to go wireless with my laptop,is going wireless with the laptop around the house a bad idea guys,any helps a good help,considering im on 10meg bb at the mo (Y) cheers,,ruff

[Jacx]

RJ45 is the connection john, the wire is UTP (Unshielded Twisted Pair), bought at your local b&q or in my case fibre optics

your talking to a guy thats probably made about 10000 of them in his life time...shut ur trap

[iceman420]

But it'll be more expensive, right? :P


I work for sprint...wat you could do is a get 2 wirelss cards for 49.99 after mail in rebate + tax and then pay 59.99/month 4 unlimited usage and then u dont need no wire & shit. and the plus about the wireless cards if u got multiple computers u can move the cards from comp 2 the other as long as u got the software from when u recieved the initial package uploaded onto your computer. and it works at a higher speed then dsl(broadband)

i recommend the U720 plugs into your USB port.
-btw sprint is the only company that even offers this service where you can plug a wireless card into a USB port and move cards from any computer that has the software on it. and if you where using them both at the same time it wouldn't matter their performances wouldn't b affected at all in anyway!

average download speed is 450-800 KBPS
average upload speed is 300-400 KBPS

dats pretty damn quick.

well theres a lil brief on sprint wireless...lol any other questions feel free 2 ask!
(y)

[steff]

I'm a poor student though with no job so £60 is well out of my reach lol, my mum doesn't even get that a month from me. :D

If the cable and shit costs too much I'll make my little brother quit primary school to get a job to pay for it himself. :P

[iceman420]

I'm a poor student though with no job so £60 is well out of my reach lol, my mum doesn't even get that a month from me. :D

If the cable and shit costs too much I'll make my little brother quit primary school to get a job to pay for it himself. :P

well just figured id throw u some info.

all good.:P

[Dymond]

I'm a poor student though with no job so £60 is well out of my reach lol, my mum doesn't even get that a month from me. :D

If the cable and shit costs too much I'll make my little brother quit primary school to get a job to pay for it himself. :P


Alright Cat 5 is the cable and RJ45 is the connector.. whiners LOL

Steff I know your a resourceful fella and I bet if you hung around some commercial construction projects you could find all the Cat 5 wire you need. Alot of times they will make really long runs of cable and end up with 20' or so on a spool that they'll just end up tossing. All you'll need is somebody to put the ends on for ya.. You could probably even do them yourself... I know some hardware stores have easy ends that don't require a having the crimper to connect the ends.. You can find how to wire Cat 5 to the RJ45 ends on 1000's of websites..

[Bagmanstu]

Have a look at http://www.cableuniverse.co.uk/

20 metre rj45 patch cable £5.28 inc vat.
network cards £5.90 inc vat

I use these guys for most of my cable stuff, pc, stereo, cctv and tv

[Eyez Neverclear]

Alright Cat 5 is the cable and RJ45 is the connector.. whiners LOL

Steff I know your a resourceful fella and I bet if you hung around some commercial construction projects you could find all the Cat 5 wire you need. Alot of times they will make really long runs of cable and end up with 20' or so on a spool that they'll just end up tossing. All you'll need is somebody to put the ends on for ya.. You could probably even do them yourself... I know some hardware stores have easy ends that don't require a having the crimper to connect the ends.. You can find how to wire Cat 5 to the RJ45 ends on 1000's of websites..

I agree with this here. I run cat5 for a living and we always toss out boxes with 5 to 10 feet left in them.

However unless you already have the tools and connectors I recommend buying an already done cat5 patch cable. The tools are way over priced and add in the connectors and it will be at least as much as a premade cable. I ran into this when kitty was here in October. She left her cable, I was gonna make her one, and when checking the prices I noticed it was $3 cheaper for me to just buy the premade

[DnD]

idunno what kinda cables you guys are talking about, but the cable i have at my house, i crimped the ends on with a pair of pliers and it works fine :dunno:

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

yeah use a router you can do as many as you want

[Jimmy James]

windows has internet connection sharing, so you can set 2 computers without any addition hardware. it may not be the best connection possible, but you can't beat the price

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306126
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics/

[Bellows]

just get a rooter

[Dymond]

idunno what kinda cables you guys are talking about, but the cable i have at my house, i crimped the ends on with a pair of pliers and it works fine :dunno:

Paging Jerry Rigg...has anybody seen Jerry Rigg??

Actually the first Network Cable I made I used a screwdriver to pinch it down..

[steff]

Can any router be used? Or would I need a partuclar one?

[Dymond]

As long as your modem has an rj45 plug that can go from it to the router..they should all work for you.

[steff]

*Google it* yes it has that at the back of it.

[Dymond]

Then your stylin..plug the DSL modem into the proper plug, boot the router and follow instructions and you'll be set.

[steff]

Ok I have a problem. It works perfect on one PC and not the other. Here is the setup pre-router:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/966/preroutertv7.jpg

Thus PC2 never had a connection to the internet. Now WITH the router, here is the setup, so tell me if it's wrong:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6286/routerkw9.jpg

As in the modem now doesn't have a connection to the PC. Does it need to?

[steff]

Oh, and it's PC 1 that isn't working. I configured everything on PC 1 too and now it won't even load up the settings page when I go to 192.168.1.1 but it does on PC 2.

[Dymond]

Steff..the modem needs to be plugged into the router, thats step 1. Now I need to know when you set up the modem directly to your PC did you have to install or run anything special on the PC, like a disk or software given to you by your ISP? Also tell me who your ISP is too.

[steff]

Ok well how would I go about getting the router connected with the modem? Here's the modem with the 2 things that plug into the back (http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1936/modem20sagem20fast20800yo1.jpg) and again (http://www.sagem.com/index.php?id=182&L=0). Here is the router (http://www.linksys.co.uk/acatalog/AG241.html).

Yes I was given an installation disk by my ISP (Tiscali) and when I connect to the internet I have to go to connections and click "Tiscali Broadband" to connect... and funnily enough I never had to do that with the router plugged in although, when configuring the router I gave my username and password to auto connect so maybe that's why.

My ISP is Tiscali.

[Dymond]

SHIT steff you have the same craptastic modem that Simon had..
You need a modem with an RJ45 Network connection, that way you can link it directly into the router.

WAIT!!! Your Router has a built in DSL modem..So you scrap the modem and plug the DSL line directly into the router.

I found this on the Tiscali website..

Tiscali Settings for Routers (http://uk-tiscali.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/uk_tiscali.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=73&p_created=1132746240&p_sid=Mj7XgCyi&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfc m93X2NudD0yNjEmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N 2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfc GFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1)

[steff]

It's worked :P in fact, I just plugged it in and it worked. I won't complain, I'll just pray it stays working lol

Cheers (Y)

[Dymond]

alright Steff!

[steff]

I think I've realized where I went tits up twice. I forgot to fill in the DNS server bit. :$

[Dymond]

Actually Smokie its not an RJ45 its an RJ11 phone line and one USB..His modem is how do you brits say..yeah SHITE LOL

Yeah steff the DNS is crucial otherwise it won't know where to go to resolve names..

[steff]

Well it's back to being a cunt. This is what happened last time. It worked until I switched both computers off, now it's only working on my old PC. It says I have "limited connectivity" on the other one. Limited means no internet. :( Any ideas?

EDIT - I turned both PC's off, turned the router off then turned it back on and the PC'd back on... and it's working now... :dunno:

[steff]

Why does it need this done every time though?

[Alf uckem]

steff the issue with limited or no connectivity is one that killed me for days, till i tried this. Any of you geeks correct me if im wrong.

open network connections, then right click on your router, then click properties and untick the box that says "notify me when limited or no connectivity" mine has stopped giving me all the greef now. Now where did i put my coding manual :clap:

[Mikey:)]

Sounds like the router isnt assigning an IP to the PC that wont connect.

Do you still have the modem & router connected together or are you just using the router? If you are using both then you will need to set your modem to be the DHCP server and the router as an access point otherwise both will fight to assign IP's

[Dymond]

Steff..you might want to uninstall the software on the one PC also since it no longer needs it