muhhamad and the little girl

[Bringo the Bongo Banger]

heres something your average muslim wont tell you.

Muhammad, the prophet of islam, who is deemed by all muslims to be the model human being was a paedophile. he married aisha when he was 51, and she was 6, he then consumated the marriage when she was 9. this is all well recorded in the hadiths:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.


SHE WAS A CHILD, who even played with dolls and on swings, but that didnt stop the deviated sexual tendencies of Muhammad:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me.

Tabari Hadith: IX:131: (Aisha narrated) "My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was then brought in while the Messenger was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. Then the men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."


if there are any muslims on this forum could you please explain why you would believe that muhhamad is a perfect human being (for all ages), even when it is well documented that he had sex with a child?

[Mark]

your point being? all major religons have the same problem christianty has prophets who are mass murders and rapists and incestual for instance

[Jacx]

wrong mark

before any of the major religons excisted, incest and sex with minors was common and accepted! It was accespted as the norm!

In fact if you want to go full on back to ancient times then it was expected of you to take a child to become your wife...why..simple...to procreate!

If you are in a tribe and there are tribes all around, you need to breed as quick as possible to produce safety in numbers.

When civilisations started to build around the globe and peoples merged to produce larger tribes/townships/ countrys then they needed religions to control the masses.

People moan that gays are un-natrual, yet in those times it was never a issue as long as enough children were being born!

Religions are baised on some of those peoples, so to say and i quote

"Muhammad, the prophet of islam, who is deemed by all muslims to be the model human being was a paedophile."

and i quote again

"SHE WAS A CHILD, who even played with dolls and on swings, but that didnt stop the deviated sexual tendencies of Muhammad"

i find quite odd.

You think she had a nice swing and dolls in those times????

you think that the peoples who became christan, muslim, budda etc....didnt do the same before religion?

it was the religions that actually said NO!, this must not happen as such and between religion and politics the ages were increased.

Now dont get confused, i fucking hate paedophiles...and i hate the people who support them, but starting shit on a religion is just crap!

oh and for the record...im greek orthadox.....aka christian!

[Bringo the Bongo Banger]

"SHE WAS A CHILD, who even played with dolls and on swings, but that didnt stop the deviated sexual tendencies of Muhammad"

i find quite odd.

You think she had a nice swing and dolls in those times????




yes i do. its in the hadiths

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me.

Tabari Hadith: IX:131: (Aisha narrated) "My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was then brought in while the Messenger was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. Then the men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."

[Grendel]

The problem is you're applying modern morals and mores to another time - something that people often fall into. For example, we would consider it barbaric to put someone to death by crucifixion, yet then it was a fairly regular ocurrence. We wouldn't dream of burning someone at the stake for allegedly being a witch, yet thousands of women (and not an inconsiderable amount of men) suffered that fate in the past.

Way back then it wasn't considered unusual to marry at that age, nor to consummate that marriage, indeed in the middle ages - in Europe - there are numerous examples of women being married off at an age that we would consider them to still be a child.

Today, it's no longer considered immoral to be homosexual in most parts of the world. Who's to say that in 1000 years time people won't be calling us all disgusting degenerates?

[for20gurl]

ok, if you had read up on this you would know that it was customary for the men in that time to look for a woman a third of their age...so for a man of 30 yrs old it would be appropriate for him to marry a 10 yr old girl. times were definitely different then. even my grandmother married at the age of 15 and had her first child at the age of 16. now that isnt the norm.

*edit ever wonder why teen pregnancy is such a problem? maybe its because teens are already sexually mature and have those "urges", not to say that they are emotionally mature enough to handle everything that goes along with it

[Bringo the Bongo Banger]

ok, if you had read up on this you would know that it was customary for the men in that time to look for a woman a third of their age...so for a man of 30 yrs old it would be appropriate for him to marry a 10 yr old girl.



muhammad was 51 when he married aisha, not 30. she was 6 not 10. he consumated the marriage at 54, when she was 9.

i understand that it was customary to marry "younger" girls back then.

however muhammad is considered to be the model human being FOR ALL AGES. therefore if it was morally right in muhammads time, then it must be ok now (which would explain child marriages in the middle east which happen in our age

if there are any muslims on this forum you are faced with a choice. you can either accept that it is ok to have sex with a child, cos if muhammad did it it must be ok!!
or you can say that its wrong? if thats the case then you are insulting ur own faggot of prophet, because muhhamad is deemed to be immune from all critism (he was PERFECT after all)

so which will it be, do you condone peadophilia?
or are you criticising your prophet? (in which case hell-fire awaits you)

[Bringo the Bongo Banger]

maybe this image will put things into perspective. (if it offends anybody i apologise)

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f225/cleric123454321/mo-aisha.gif

[RobCheadle]

Hold on a minute.... cant you legally get married in some US states at like 13? ....and thats like now, today, in the year 2006!!!!

:puke2:


:confused2:

[tca]

umm, technically, you need a court approval and parents permission for both parties

[RobCheadle]

umm, technically, you need a court approval and parents permission for both parties


.....and that makes it okay?


Fuck, most judges are fucking depraved anyway, well in the UK they are :w00t2:

[for20gurl]

muhammad was 51 when he married aisha, not 30. she was 6 not 10. he consumated the marriage at 54, when she was 9.

i understand that it was customary to marry "younger" girls back then.

however muhammad is considered to be the model human being FOR ALL AGES. therefore if it was morally right in muhammads time, then it must be ok now (which would explain child marriages in the middle east which happen in our age

if there are any muslims on this forum you are faced with a choice. you can either accept that it is ok to have sex with a child, cos if muhammad did it it must be ok!!
or you can say that its wrong? if thats the case then you are insulting ur own faggot of prophet, because muhhamad is deemed to be immune from all critism (he was PERFECT after all)

so which will it be, do you condone peadophilia?
or are you criticising your prophet? (in which case hell-fire awaits you)

in almost every religion you can find something that has happened through time that you disagree with. but you seem to just be hating muslims or something someone else did a long time ago...maybe i am wrong just appears that way

[Jacx]

thats the funny thing as for20gurl pointed out...all religions had these issues once, and before the main religions the pagens and pre pagens, egyptians, ancient greeks etc all did it

[steff]

The problem is you're applying modern morals and mores to another time - something that people often fall into. For example, we would consider it barbaric to put someone to death by crucifixion, yet then it was a fairly regular ocurrence.

I would gladly crucify quite a large sect of people if it were legal actually. It may be a cruel way to kill someone but if they deserve a slow and painful death, crucifixtion fits the bill. :orign:

[Grendel]

I would gladly crucify quite a large sect of people if it were legal actually. It may be a cruel way to kill someone but if they deserve a slow and painful death, crucifixtion fits the bill. :orign:

Possibly you would, however when I said we, I meant we as a society. Not we as individuals.

My point remains, it's wrong to judge historical societies/people using modern morals/mores. 500 years from now, society will look back on us and find fault with what we consider 'normal' or acceptable behaviour.

[Mark]

of course they will i can think of a few things that could be seen as barbaric such as the death penalty as a whole.

[Bringo the Bongo Banger]

in almost every religion you can find something that has happened through time that you disagree with. but you seem to just be hating muslims or something someone else did a long time ago...maybe i am wrong just appears that way


where have i said that i hate muslims? im trying to figure out how muhammad can be the model human being (for all ages), and thus immune from all criticism, when it is well recorded within the hadiths that he had sex with a child.

[tca]

.....and that makes it okay?


Fuck, most judges are fucking depraved anyway, well in the UK they are :w00t2:

no, both parties being married generally are under 18 as well, otherwise, well fuck i dunno the law that well, but i assume that 2 people under 18 getting married, nothing else

[marott]

i agree with everyone else. all religions are fucked up. just think of the christian religon. it says if you have not been baptized and are not christian, you go to hell for all eternity. do you really think an ALL MERCIFUL god would ever do that? and if he is all powerful, he could always stop the devil, so it makes no sence. im not saying there is no god or greater power out there some where, but all mass religon makes no sence

[Smash Bros]

as the acts where done untold many years ago that would make him a model human being as it was done at that time which means that he was following the laws that were set down at the time and doing as he was bidded/told to do. in now adays it is still (the principal) considered right. yet the whole thing about her being the age of 9 is wrong. the fact that he followed the law would show that he was a model human being.

im not religious and have no idea about muslims yet from the info provided in this thread i came up with ^^^ answer above ^^^^^

[msklifesux]

wowww

[msklifesux]

thank god i live in canada.. land of peace
where i play basketball with white red necks, talibans, and negro live in peace.
god bless canada.

[Jimmy James]

bongo failed to mention that the angel Gabriel showed Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) a picture of Aisha before she was born and told him that she would be his wife in this world and in the next world.

[baldfuck]

bongo failed to mention that the angel Gabriel showed Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) a picture of Aisha before she was born and told him that she would be his wife in this world and in the next world.

Of course he did, of course he did. Or maybe that was a lie.

If we are supposed to accept that pedophilia was acceptable in times gone by then why cant muslims accept homosexuality in current times?

I'm siding with the argument that if Muhammed was so great his actions should stand the test of all times.

Is anyone in this thread I Love The Krills from the old forum?

[Aeon]

what exactly is being argued here?

that grown men having sex with children is wrong...(duh obviously)

or that it is wrong to follow a religion that worships a man who did such things?

are we arguing religion or human politics?

in my opinion (which is worth ZERO)

yes this was done millenniums ago...yes it was more accepted in those times...
i think the argument is simply

Is it right according to today's standards to worship or follow a religion that follows the teachings of a man who had sex with children...
given the choice (and believing in Muslim religion) would you choose to follow this religion NOW with the knowledge that it worships a man who did these things?

[Jimmy James]

Islam does not worship Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him). in fact, one of the five pillars of Islam is Shahada, there is one God, and Muhammad is His messenger. Muhammad is not worshipped, and worship of him goes against the basic principles of the religion.

[the squid of despair]

Tyler, just curious, are you muslim?

[Jimmy James]

Tyler, just curious, are you muslim?

no, I believe in pascal's gambit. which is an entirely different discussion.

[baldfuck]

no, I believe in pascal's gambit. which is an entirely different discussion.

Chicken shit. :)

I think if there is a God s/he'd suss you out for only believing in her/him 'just to be on the safe side' - s/he'd probably/hopefully have a lot more respect for people who were honest about their lack of faith.

Edit - as for worshipping mohammed, OK, we meant 'revere.' Should a peado from times gone by be revered and should it be believed that he could be a paedo and be a messenger of God at the same time? And if so shouldn't muslims accept homosexuality.

[Jimmy James]

Edit - as for worshipping mohammed, OK, we meant 'revere.' Should a peado from times gone by be revered and should it be believed that he could be a paedo and be a messenger of God at the same time? And if so shouldn't muslims accept homosexuality.

no, I don't think muslims should accept homosexualuality. it's against their faith, just as much as it's against the chistian faith.

[baldfuck]

no, I don't think muslims should accept homosexualuality. it's against their faith, just as much as it's against the chistian faith.

So should it follow that as paedophilia cannot be tolerated today neither can Islam be tolerated because it's Prophet was a paedo?

[Jimmy James]

So should it follow that as paedophilia cannot be tolerated today neither can Islam be tolerated because it's Prophet was a paedo?

paedophilia a law of man, not a law of God. and because Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) married a girl when she was 6, I can't find any reliable source that says when the marriage was consumated. maybe he was a paedophile, maybe he wasn't, i don't know. but that doesn't mean God can't talk to him.

Abraham, the Founding Patriarch of the Israelites, had a son named Isaac, the heir to Jeruselum. Abraham sent his most loyal servant to Aram-Naharayim to find a wife for Isaac. he returned with Rebekah, a 3 year old child, who would give birth to Jacob after 20 years of infertility.

so by the same thinking, all 3 Abrahamic Religions (Judahism, Christianity, and Islam) should not be followed.

[Aeon]

who likes the greeks...?