Suggestions for Rec Threads

[Eyez Neverclear]

This bullshit of the guy with the most friends getting a thread is starting to piss me off. I hear people are posting threads in their cartel forums urging their members to vote for certain nominees or to make nominations. Whoever decided that the masses are the best means to decide this was sadly mistaken and has tarnished this entire thing for all the old players that truely deserved recognition. The original system wasn't completely broken. She just lost touch with the game. Replace the original with an equal one that hasn't lost touch with the game. Don't go give every random person in the game an equal vote in something that most of them are completely clueless about. Stopping the entire thing would have been a much better decision than this. 2-3 votes in and its already being manipulated by assholes. I guarantee you a lot of people out there that felt good about getting a thread themselves would be shaking their heads if they knew how hard people were working to ruin this whole thing.

If this bullshit is gonna keep up then the names of these threads need to be changed so nobody new around these parts can stumble in here and mistake this new way of being equal to the last. Sperate the 2 for good or fix this new system. This is not a prom queen vote and shouldn't be treated as such

[Santo]

He is sexy when he is angry :hidey:

[Cushion]

i think in future seeing as what Eyez said is 100% accurate, that when we make a nomination in future, u should to say why u think they should get a thread, and then jock and vixen pick who feels have the best reasons and wow theres ya thread :) although i do think either Buckle, Hood and Nev all deserve one, 1. they have all ran or still run cartels which is never easy, all have good scores to there name, hood has even won overall a few times if i recall, always polite and friendly when they are in the forum, always give a helping hand if asked for help, so thats why i think any of the 3 should have 1

[Krámse]

This bullshit of the guy with the most friends getting a thread is starting to piss me off. I hear people are posting threads in their cartel forums urging their members to vote for certain nominees or to make nominations. Whoever decided that the masses are the best means to decide this was sadly mistaken and has tarnished this entire thing for all the old players that truely deserved recognition. The original system wasn't completely broken. She just lost touch with the game. Replace the original with an equal one that hasn't lost touch with the game. Don't go give every random person in the game an equal vote in something that most of them are completely clueless about. Stopping the entire thing would have been a much better decision than this. 2-3 votes in and its already being manipulated by assholes. I guarantee you a lot of people out there that felt good about getting a thread themselves would be shaking their heads if they knew how hard people were working to ruin this whole thing.

If this bullshit is gonna keep up then the names of these threads need to be changed so nobody new around these parts can stumble in here and mistake this new way of being equal to the last. Sperate the 2 for good or fix this new system. This is not a prom queen vote and shouldn't be treated as such

Sorry Eyez Neverclear I disagree these are called The Dopewars COMMUNITY Recognition Threads so everyone has a right to a vote.

Start up Veteran Recognition Threads it might be closer to the old style threads, restrict voting to a commitee or to vets only, then you have to define who is & isn't a vet. Maybe the Ex-recipients who are still around could vote on the next vet for recognition.

As for the popularity thing & carts voting for their team mates then Bellows should be winnining with all the Reds players voting for him or Buckle as Loverats can usually raise a couple of carts. So that would suggest that folk in this COMMUNITY are voting & not dragging players in from the carts to vote then go. Both of these guys I'd happily vote for because I respect them & I'm neither a Red or a Loverat.

Then again if it it friends that are voting what do you expect, this isn't the easiest place to make, keep friends or gain the respect of your adversaries, if you have the respect of enough community members to swing a vote it suggests your doing something right in the COMMUNITY.

[Master Sgt.]

This bullshit of the guy with the most friends getting a thread is starting to piss me off. I hear people are posting threads in their cartel forums urging their members to vote for certain nominees or to make nominations. Whoever decided that the masses are the best means to decide this was sadly mistaken and has tarnished this entire thing for all the old players that truely deserved recognition. The original system wasn't completely broken. She just lost touch with the game. Replace the original with an equal one that hasn't lost touch with the game. Don't go give every random person in the game an equal vote in something that most of them are completely clueless about. Stopping the entire thing would have been a much better decision than this. 2-3 votes in and its already being manipulated by assholes. I guarantee you a lot of people out there that felt good about getting a thread themselves would be shaking their heads if they knew how hard people were working to ruin this whole thing.

If this bullshit is gonna keep up then the names of these threads need to be changed so nobody new around these parts can stumble in here and mistake this new way of being equal to the last. Sperate the 2 for good or fix this new system. This is not a prom queen vote and shouldn't be treated as such



DEMOCRACY: 1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Not bitching at you, but what you just complained about is the equivelant to a presidential canidate kissing babies and shaking hands in order to persuade votes. Or could it be that the person you "like" or are "friends" with is not in the lead? Please don't worry about the lil bulshit 1-2 votes I am in the lead with. I been here for 3 years but don't "know" that many people, nor do I ask for special treatment from anyone nor do I kiss any kind of ass or talk bad about somebody to make myself look good.

[Master Sgt.]

I know my name was a "write in", but I didn't expect a big fucking controversy over the whole thing. I don't need the headache, been here 3+ years and the most of a headache I ever got was getting into a spat with someone in the forum which is usually disolved by the end of the day. I'll be here another 3 years cause I love playing this game. Feel free to take my name off the ballot....let the "friends" duke it out. Put my name up there in another 3 years and we'll still be having the same discussion.



Maybe it will be best if we had one person that decides who gets them, would that be better for you, or just make you that person you.

[Deadwood]

Maybe a 20 person panel should be created to select one person to gain a thread say every 2 months... just a suggestion (f)

[thisguychris]

I know my name was a "write in", but I didn't expect a big fucking controversy over the whole thing. I don't need the headache, been here 3+ years and the most of a headache I ever got was getting into a spat with someone in the forum which is usually disolved by the end of the day. I'll be here another 3 years cause I love playing this game. Feel free to take my name off the ballot....let the "friends" duke it out. Put my name up there in another 3 years and we'll still be having the same discussion.



Maybe it will be best if we had one person that decides who gets them, would that be better for you, or just make you that person you.

You're name wasn't a 'write in' Chris - you were nominated, just like everyone else.

I doubt Charlie was talking about you - you've been around 3 years and I've seen the scores you've posted that would certainly qualify you for a nomination, but more than that to me at least is the way you've helped develop the players around you.

The NWC players that voted for you are players you've helped directly with their strats and have seen first hand what you mean to a cartel. If every person in our forum voted for you you'd have more than 23 votes or whatever you're at (that's not even including the two from cushion ;) )

You've been a vital part of our success as a team - 4 golds and 2 silvers. You've also scored well enough to qualify for your nomination. Most of all, your character and willingness to help those around you earned you my vote.

[TJ60]

just a prime example of your damned if u do and damned if u don't. Eyez i see the logic to what your saying, but i haven't let anyone on the list that doesn't belong. If someone was to nominate kack 500 times i still wouldn't let him on it because i know he hasn't done anything, but i don't see anything wrong with people supporting their friends. Everyone thats on that list is deserving and only 1 hasn't won a overall but has lead his cartel to many medals.

[swiss miss]

The major problem with these are people vote for who they know and not who they want to know more about.

I keep seeing I dont know "this person", yet that is what these threads are for so you recognize them for what they have done. I think the only two people on the poll that pretty much everyone knows are Buckle and Bellows why cuz they make sure they are known, so if anything they would be least deserving.

Everyone in the poll has earned a spot in it so people should be voting for the person they want to know more about because they dont know them. What would a Rec. thread for Buckle realy do, pretty much everyone knows what he has done, who he plays for, His real name.


In my eyes someone gets a recognition thread for consistently getting good scores, running good cartels, contributing to the game in terms of strategy or developing other players, and contributing to the forum. Which of any of these has buckle not surpassed in every way?? Just because he is well known doesnt mean he is not deserving of a recognition thread.
Did i vote for him?? No, for the first round i voted for reggie... i dont know him, he doesnt know me but i do know that he is a damn fine player and once he has a rec thread that he deserves my vote will be going to simon who is equally deserving, it wont be swayed by anybody posting (or not posting as the case may be) "please vote for xxx" because you play in a cartel with them, im simply not that much of a sheep and nobody should be.

See my signature - I cannot give you the formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: which is: Try to please everybody., everybody is not going to be happy with who gets the rec thread, and it may have had its faults but take it back the way it was in my opinion - Gretchen and Craig decide, or i quite liked the idea of previous winners voting on it - although im sure that would be pretty difficult to control......

[Buckledmac]

The Reds forum was the first place I had ever heard of recognition threads - one of their players was up for one.

It doesn't matter, Eyez - seriously. The way the threads worked when I started, people would put a name in a thread and vix would choose a name from the ones listed. Now, it's a poll.

As far as using a private forum, I can tell you that MAYBE ten members of nwc ever even come into the forum - and I know it's the same for a lot of the loyal players across the board. Last round there was a post in the cartel discussion in LR about one of their player's nomination. Had the post not been made, it's probable that many players who respect that player and WOULD vote for them wouldn't even know to because they don't frequent the oddthought forum.

no there wasnt was there ? :S

[tca]

If there is going to be this much of a problem, i say suspend them til we work out a fair system we all agree on.

[Santo]

That is just the thing Jesse, this threads mean different things to different people, and it will be nearly imposible to get everyone to agree in a completly flawless system, as the flaws are different to different people

[tca]

Well, then people should stop complaining about them lol its a lose lose situation innit?

[HellRaiser]

Your all nuts lol...

Look, nominating someone is fine but community voting for someone is stupid.
The system should soley be around what you HAVE DONE OR ACCOMPLISHED.
Since this is a game of scores, obviously how well you finish is the point.

Like some have said, a lot of good players don't even come to the forum or care. So these people's names may never be mentioned but often times more deserving then those who do only because they are more POPULAR or liked by the community which is bogus. It shouldn't matter how much you participate in the forum good or bad. It shouldn't matter how much your liked, hated, loved or associated with. All the talk of what you say or don't say or help or don't help others is ridicolous.

You have a list of nominations the community believes are worthy, those nominated have to tell the peeps in charge doing this job all the finishes they have done over the course of one or two years perse, then those in charge post all the nominations finishes or results etc... The one with the best finishes gets the thread. The community can see for themself that individual recieving the thread is truly deserving with no question or doubt of the validity. It's the only way to show it is worthy.

How does anyone know the majority of threads already given have truly done anything but be close friends or tied to the select group in some fashion to be recognized by bias rather then what he or she truly done and SHOWN IT WITH RESULTS SO ALL CAN SEE? But that is another story right? But why rock the boat right? lol.. Let's stick the now lol...

Anyhow, point being in a nut shell is...

ALL must see what each individual has accomplished not just take other's word for it.
How great they are as a person has no place in this, it's a game not a block party.

But since right now it's all corrupt and votes being made out of friendship rather then knowing what has actually been accomplished,
I'll swing my corrupt vote to NEV, hehehe. :)

[Krámse]

Eyez and all the others that don't like the way these threads are now, whether you like it or not these are Now called Community Recognition Threads with the emphasis on Community, they are not the old style threads, things have changed, moved on, where were you when the new format was being discussed. Did you say anything then?

LOL, I know I said plenty.:$

All I see is you guys moaning & it sounds like,"it's not they way it used to be","I don't like it", "make it the old way again" like some octogenarian Granny hankering for the good old days.

If you want change propose it, put positive ideas on the table don't just be negative because at the moment it just looks like your all pissed because your favourite is behind Master Sgt in the poll and I reckon your better than that.

[Cushion]

i think the voting bit should be fucked off, and craig you decide when and who gets one, ure decision, if people dont like it fuck it and dont moan about it, coz there threads are just going on popularity nowadays more than there skill in game, most people proberly think i voted for bellows in this, but i actually voted for Si (y) top guy, good player, always there to help, and runs a cartel of his own, if i could voted twice, id then vote for hoodrat :) then id vote nev, then it would be between bellows and master sgt, end of the day i think craig should pick who gets one, when they get one, and fuck the polls off :)

[steff]

Ok I'm not reading any of these posts :P on skipping to the last page I seen "panel of vets decide" or words to that effect. How about prior recognition thread winners get to decide?

[Deadwood]

Ok I'm not reading any of these posts :P on skipping to the last page I seen "panel of vets decide" or words to that effect. How about prior recognition thread winners get to decide?

Do you mean the previous recognition thread winner or ALL previous recognition thread winners?

If you mean the one previous winner then i think things could spiral out of control...

[steff]

All of them.

[vixen]

mayvbe you should all fuck off and craig and I can do them how we see fit

</sarcasm>

[Cushion]

thats what i sed ;) :P

[thisguychris]

no there wasnt was there ? :S

lol yes in A4 - the round I got in 'trouble'

I like the idea of having all previous record holders getting a vote, and those votes are cast on a short list given to them by Vix and Craig as nominated by the community.

The problem might lie in participation from previous holders, but they will forever have a 'vote'.

Swiss, excellent point made and it's very true - in the end we all make our own decisions on who to vote for or whether we even vote.

Cushion, I think your post just goes to show that every person nominated right now is deserving, and I'm sure in time each will have a thread.

I hate how negative this particular thread became for a while, but maybe we can get back on track now. Maybe move the suggestions elsewhere?

88 votes - that's just awesome, regardless of who wins.

[swiss miss]

lol yes in A4 - the round I got in 'trouble'

lol, chris we all stopped reading the a4 cartel discussion that round anyway, so like simon im afraid i was completely oblivious to the "vote buckle" :P

[Santo]

lol, chris we all stopped reading the a4 cartel discussion that round anyway, so like simon im afraid i was completely oblivious to the "vote buckle" :P

I was in there that round i don't recall that either :O

[Dan]

um... wasnt this the point of the "Hall of Fame" as i suggested in the sb, but im looking at a thread thats called "recognition hall of fame" theirs supposed to be a difference between the too. I think that should solve the problem.

edit: i agree with eyez completely, this shouldn't be who can get the most noobs they racked up for cartels and what not and have them vote for them...but if thats what "community recognition thread " means then w/e. Start a Hall of Fame for the players who actually deserve it.

note: this place has turned from a known group that has stood above the rest, to everybody has a fair chance, u say u cant give recognition to somebody who doesnt play anymore... y not? for those who have been around for yearS deserve far more than those recent upcomers, when the game was interesting to play, theirs no reason for someone not to get a recognition thread simply because they dont play anymore. u know why they dont play anymore? cuz of shit like this and how the game has lost its original vibe. This went from a drug dealers fantasy game to a fucking day care.

~possibly alot of potential jibberish, somebody might get my point~

[Scorpious]

um... wasnt this the point of the "Hall of Fame" as i suggested in the sb, but im looking at a thread thats called "recognition hall of fame" theirs supposed to be a difference between the too. I think that should solve the problem.

edit: i agree with eyez completely, this shouldn't be who can get the most noobs they racked up for cartels and what not and have them vote for them...but if thats what "community recognition thread " means then w/e. Start a Hall of Fame for the players who actually deserve it.

note: this place has turned from a known group that has stood above the rest, to everybody has a fair chance, u say u cant give recognition to somebody who doesnt play anymore... y not? for those who have been around for yearS deserve far more than those recent upcomers, when the game was interesting to play, theirs no reason for someone not to get a recognition thread simply because they dont play anymore. u know why they dont play anymore? cuz of shit like this and how the game has lost its original vibe. This went from a drug dealers fantasy game to a fucking day care.

~possibly alot of potential jibberish, somebody might get my point~


lol thats pretty funny. i have always thought the game had moved on from what it was once.

[kitty]

um... wasnt this the point of the "Hall of Fame" as i suggested in the sb, but im looking at a thread thats called "recognition hall of fame" theirs supposed to be a difference between the too. I think that should solve the problem.

edit: i agree with eyez completely, this shouldn't be who can get the most noobs they racked up for cartels and what not and have them vote for them...but if thats what "community recognition thread " means then w/e. Start a Hall of Fame for the players who actually deserve it.

note: this place has turned from a known group that has stood above the rest, to everybody has a fair chance, u say u cant give recognition to somebody who doesnt play anymore... y not? for those who have been around for yearS deserve far more than those recent upcomers, when the game was interesting to play, theirs no reason for someone not to get a recognition thread simply because they dont play anymore. u know why they dont play anymore? cuz of shit like this and how the game has lost its original vibe. This went from a drug dealers fantasy game to a fucking day care.

~possibly alot of potential jibberish, somebody might get my point~


(y) what he said:D

[TJ60]

ok to stop cluttering up the vote thread, Which Is the CURRENT SYSTEM and will stay that way until we (meaning staff) decide to change it.

[Bellows]

skipped the wall of text, but i imagine we're bk to where we were several months ago...

get some ppl who are in touch with the currernt game and stop turning them into a freakin popularity contests. Also previous winners opinions should defintely hold some weight towards future winners as these ppl are well and truly in touch with the game.

[the myth]

skipped the wall of text, but i imagine we're bk to where we were several months ago...

get some ppl who are in touch with the currernt game and stop turning them into a freakin popularity contests. Also previous winners opinions should defintely hold some weight towards future winners as these ppl are well and truly in touch with the game.

nice to see you around old buddy



ah and i voted for bellows and i know why


Overalls
02 - B: Rnd 26: $189,298,210 - Bellows
02 - B: Rnd 29: $170,539,953 - Funkee Monkee
06 - B: Rnd 36: $183,887,787 - Lamb Sandwich
06 - B: Rnd 30: $177,235,224 - Dark Nebula
06 - C: Rnd 08: $169,330,778 - Bellows
08 - B: Rnd 37: $221,612,200 - Tweedle Dee
12 - A: Rnd 27: $113,534,107 - Bellows
13 - A: Rnd 38: $126,360,965 - Shai-Tan
17 - B: Rnd 37: $200,119,815 - Wiggle Puppy

who else has done that

[Bellows]

nice to see you around old buddy



ah and i voted for bellows and i know why


Overalls
02 - B: Rnd 26: $189,298,210 - Bellows
02 - B: Rnd 29: $170,539,953 - Funkee Monkee
06 - B: Rnd 36: $183,887,787 - Lamb Sandwich
06 - B: Rnd 30: $177,235,224 - Dark Nebula
06 - C: Rnd 08: $169,330,778 - Bellows
08 - B: Rnd 37: $221,612,200 - Tweedle Dee
12 - A: Rnd 27: $113,534,107 - Bellows
13 - A: Rnd 38: $126,360,965 - Shai-Tan
17 - B: Rnd 37: $200,119,815 - Wiggle Puppy

who else has done that

hey mate (y)

and dont turn this into a fucking popularity contest :boonie:

[the myth]

hey mate (y)

and dont turn this into a fucking popularity contest :boonie:

i already tryed that and you see howwell that worked

[Bellows]

i already tryed that and you see howwell that worked

oh wait... i just realised im not popular, disregard me please :)

[steff]

I voted for Bellows too for the same reasons as BG did.

[Bellows]

cos i make a lot of noise?

[steff]

Because you're an average player... I trained him too. That's tim|away, anti-duck, Lontan, Phuquit, Kloaked Spirit etc and now Bellows I've trained!

[the myth]

Because you're an average player... I trained him too. That's tim|away, anti-duck, Lontan, Phuquit, Kloaked Spirit etc and now Bellows I've trained!

you are too good

didit you train all tlb players aswell

and lets not forget when you trained karate kid for his final movie

[Bellows]

It's true... Steff trained me to cheat and i passed all my ill gotten knowledge straight onto reds....


[thread officially hijacked]

[nfc]

Damm you steff :argh: Damm you to hell:@

[Bellows]

Damm you steff :argh: Damm you to hell:@

gratz by the way mate (y) i think my whinging may have been noticed finally ;)

[Stupid and Contagous]

i agree that deadcert would be a good choice for a thread, i know she puts a lot of work into dopewars but i stand by what i said before, to earn a thread u should have won overall player or run a top cartel that has been hugely successful, this is about recognizing the player not the person/personality. the problem with these threads in my opinion is that its a democracy and everyone gets an equal say in who gets NOMINATED and it shouldnt be so, the nominees should be elected by people who have been elected to elect them lol. to compare it to politics u only vote on the party whos policies u agree with, u dont get to chose their policies

[Ridgeback]

the nominees should be elected by people who have been elected to elect them

i've seen it suggested somewhere that the previous winners choose who get a thread, but the problem with that is there aren't that many around anymore :S

[Stupid and Contagous]

i've seen it suggested somewhere that the previous winners choose who get a thread, but the problem with that is there aren't that many around anymore :S


yeah thats basically what i was getting at but could u imagine how long it would take 20 people to make a decision? [theres not that many on the forum staff... :P] the best way to do it is have 6 people on a kind of panel who are chosen from the list of recognition winners who are widely active within the game [ i myself am not for instance] and they choose from a shortlist of the winners of the last 12 rounds or whatever [leaders and players]. the problem at the min is how people get them, it is a popularity contest at the end of the day, its who gets the most votes wins. by selected from a list who have met a criteria doesnt eliminate this but substantially cuts this down, sure in some cases it can be waived on some points but there needs to be some sort of structure, its very school yard as it is

[Diogee old]

no one loves me :cry:

I like S&C idea problem is overall winners are coming from non-medal rooms which actually have different rules from the medal rooms so the better player in a medal room who has been suicided and thugged all round ends up being beat out by the Drug trafficer in a non-medal room who has been jumped 3-10 times less then the medal room player.

Whatever though I don't even bother to read the rec. threads anymore they keep going to popular people that almost everyone already knows instead of the people that do not get on the forum ever day but still put up good scores round after round.

Unless you are a Daqqer how many people here actually know more then half of the Daqqers.

Yet the people that play for cartels with 15+ very active forum members get the rec. thread and for what so a bunch of the people that already know the person can congratulate him/her.

You know how much I would LOVE to get to know all the daqqers but will it ever happen NO, because they are not popular enough to get rec threads.

[0siris]

i suggest to stop the polling process and develop a true ranking system built into the forum