Im sorry to Tyler, and all Ive offended

[insainbrane]

I didn't go about trying to get a better understanding of whats fair, and what isn't the right way. I am highly emotional, as i just stopped smoking the ganja, and its taking its toll. The forums I put up are just fucking rants from anger, and should've been worded better. The major question at hand is, can 1 supplier supply 4 people in house? If so, can that be done by 4 players supplying 6, or 6 players supplying 4? as of now, all that can be done is a judgment call, and without policies and guidelines, I will not be the last guy to come out here and stir up shit. Sorry again Tyler Durden for attacking your integrity, with you having to make judgment calls without policies and guidelines to follow, it can seem that favoritism comes into play.:hidey:

[Johnee]

Worded much better so allow me to attempt as much for a response.


Try and avoid supplying at all. Period. The game was meant for everyone to go worth and the RMM markets an such are for excess being sold off. Since people have found you get better scores from not making your own Raw Materials people have gone nuts to try and find "Sources" of said Raw Materials.

This has caused people to start doing nothing BUT make Raw Materials and made the game into what it is today. Insanely high scores and teams getting scores that no one else can compete with. The problem comes in with human free will. You can't tell someone they can't JUST make Raw Materials. They wont play the game if you tell them what they can and cannot make. But it doesn't change the fact that the game was designed without this in mind. So now they have to try and crack down on it without telling people what they can and cannot do. It becomes a tight-rope the Moderators have to walk without any set guidelines.

There is one way around it, but no one is willing to get off thier asses and do it. And Until someone does get off thier ass and fix things it will continue to be a cycle of accusations, insults and whinning. (Pun intended)

:rose:

[insainbrane]

Worded much better so allow me to attempt as much for a response.


Try and avoid supplying at all. Period. The game was meant for everyone to go worth and the RMM markets an such are for excess being sold off. Since people have found you get better scores from not making your own Raw Materials people have gone nuts to try and find "Sources" of said Raw Materials.

This has caused people to start doing nothing BUT make Raw Materials and made the game into what it is today. Insanely high scores and teams getting scores that no one else can compete with. The problem comes in with human free will. You can't tell someone they can't JUST make Raw Materials. They wont play the game if you tell them what they can and cannot make. But it doesn't change the fact that the game was designed without this in mind. So now they have to try and crack down on it without telling people what they can and cannot do. It becomes a tight-rope the Moderators have to walk without any set guidelines.

There is one way around it, but no one is willing to get off thier asses and do it. And Until someone does get off thier ass and fix things it will continue to be a cycle of accusations, insults and whinning. (Pun intended)

:rose:

i myself went straight raw, and made as much as I could making a CM. Sme raw is as profitable as a CM. take tobacco. 5 at 250/u will make some loot. Im saying that supplier roles can be just as important than CM roles, and also gives people with busy weeks something to do to stay on the team, and still contribute. having them make cigs, means as much if not more activity than any other CM, but having a inactive player go straight cattle ranchs gives them something to build and not have to be on 20 times a day, and still get a good score, and have fun, and contribute. I have tried cig teams, and having non premies make Cm's. I have had 3 different non premies and 1 premie completely quit furni on a monday because its too hard. A team should be able to run whatever strat they like, as long as its in house. We should be able to utilize our regular players to thier fullest potential, no matter what time they can spend on here or not. It would be different if I had em all stay indies outside the company and supply my full team. Im saying open it up a bit, discuss this issue more, and lets figure out whats fair and what isnt instead of guessing. i had a good strat that started this shit, and was told my straight cocoa guy supplying me was feeding by definition. thats fine, i can accept that. I had 3 other guys doing 3 things instead of 1, if i wouldve had the cocoa guy divide himself up to supply others in house, then it wouldve been a legal strat. the rules doesnt have anything against 1 player supplying 3 or 4. SO..........

whats the rule? How are suppliers supposed to work? If I have a busy work week where I wont be on, I always supply. some things just building them in a company makes the whole company money, like sugar and milk. when you build a sugar plant, you8 get 4, and your also giving everyone else .4, between 9 people that one sugar plant that put out 4, now puts out 7.6. Im not saying force people in supply roles. Im saying engineer supply roles, so all get a good score, and all contribute, and all the teams wealth stays in house cuz no one has to go outside the team for supplys.

[Grendel]

... the rules doesnt have anything against 1 player supplying 3 or 4...

Actually the rules state that you can't use an account to boost another. It could be interpreted to mean that you can't boost multiple accounts either.

Just a thought.

[insainbrane]

Actually the rules state that you can't use an account to boost another. It could be interpreted to mean that you can't boost multiple accounts either.

Just a thought.

So any one selling supplys to another is feeding then? So by what you are saying is anyone who supplys another is feeding by definition, even if its multiple players. Interpretation is what the problem is, and why we have these bitch sessions every month. The very strategy of the game is to find as many suppliers as you can, but then if the mod so chooses he can DQ you, just because of his personal interpratation of the rule, depending on who and what it is. This is the problem. Too much interpratation, and no clear cut rules. Adding opinions and thoughts arent whats needed. We need viable solutions here, that can be made rules or whatever, so ya dont have one round where somethings ok, and the next round its not.

[Clancy]

gahh, Insaine just stop pleease, end the madness now!

[Red Dragon]

So any one selling supplys to another is feeding then? So by what you are saying is anyone who supplys another is feeding by definition, even if its multiple players. Interpretation is what the problem is, and why we have these bitch sessions every month. The very strategy of the game is to find as many suppliers as you can, but then if the mod so chooses he can DQ you, just because of his personal interpratation of the rule, depending on who and what it is. This is the problem. Too much interpratation, and no clear cut rules. Adding opinions and thoughts arent whats needed. We need viable solutions here, that can be made rules or whatever, so ya dont have one round where somethings ok, and the next round its not.

I;m fine either way, whether we can or can't be supplied I just wanna know.

If we can be supplied I will pull 20 people to feed our company round after round.

If we cannot be supplied I will continue with my mediocre scores and playing by what I thought were the rules

[insainbrane]

gahh, Insaine just stop pleease, end the madness now!

We have got to get a clear understanding as to whats legal, and whats not. Gametalk is riddled with people looking for suppliers, and looking to supply. By definition its cheating as of right now. I am politely asking, and trying to be constructive here as to whats legal, and whats not. If its too much for you to want to read, then why read it? You dont have to participate. finally the problem nobody seemed to be able to put there finger on is now known. Now that we know the problem. maybe, just maybe, someone will think of a rule or a change that might fix this problem. As of right now, every team in FM has electric guys supplying their team electric. By definition, its illegal. It has been allowed for so long now tho, the whole game would be in shambles if it was suddenly enforced. the problem is Tyler has nothing to draw up on, but the one account used to boost another, and by that rule 90% of the players in FM would be disqualified. This wasnt and isnt a witch hunt, or a bitch session, its simply an attempt to find a solution to a growing problem, and restore fairness to the game, and maybe make it a little more competetive. as it stands right now, its ok for some to get supplied, but if they score well, and Tyler feels whatever he feels, he can DQ ya. While others get away with it.

I;m fine either way, whether we can or can't be supplied I just wanna know.

If we can be supplied I will pull 20 people to feed our company round after round.

If we cannot be supplied I will continue with my mediocre scores and playing by what I thought were the rules

Suppliers on the team, and suppliers outside the team are two different things. This discussion is about whats allowable on a team. If they make suppliers out of memebers, its a balancing act between ease of play, and a good score, so the supplier strategy isnt as easy as everyone thinks.

[Rasta]

An easy way to fix this would be to eliminate the RMM and contracts, but then what fun would that be

[X-IMPERIALSIT-X]

that will never happen and it would be so fucking gay if it did

[Clancy]

the reason im telling you to stop is that you gotta , GET OVER IT the rules are rules. Whether or not they make sense has nothing to do with it. Do you think your little "discussion" about this is gonna change a thing? No. You think the rules or gonna get modified or a new rule will be created? No. Otherwise people could just bitch and make long threads about stupid crap. At this point im starting to feel bad for Tyler for having to put up with your shit, He does you and every other GC player a service by being the best moderator he can.

My final point-------If you dont like the rules, just leave the Global Conflict community doesnt need people like you.

Btw wasn't this supposed to be an apology thread.?

[insainbrane]

An easy way to fix this would be to eliminate the RMM and contracts, but then what fun would that be


Set it up that only a certain percentage of electric and required raw is supplied before it becomes illegal. Put strict pricing guidelines as well. For example. You want electric, minimum price is 160, and you can only have half of your max consumption being supplied with the rest having to produce yourself? Just a quick idea, that maybe some others can build on.

the reason im telling you to stop is that you gotta , GET OVER IT the rules are rules. Whether or not they make sense has nothing to do with it. Do you think your little "discussion" about this is gonna change a thing? No. You think the rules or gonna get modified or a new rule will be created? No. Otherwise people could just bitch and make long threads about stupid crap. At this point im starting to feel bad for Tyler for having to put up with your shit, He does you and every other GC player a service by being the best moderator he can.

My final point-------If you dont like the rules, just leave the Global Conflict community doesnt need people like you.

Btw wasn't this supposed to be an apology thread.?

what rules are you talking about? If we went by rules, then everyone would be making all thier own electric and shit.

Please guys, just add suggestions as to maybe fix this problem, and define whats legal, and what isnt. please no hate.

[Clancy]

You dont understand no mod or admin is gonna change a thing.

[insainbrane]

You dont understand no mod or admin is gonna change a thing.

If we come up with something viable, and might work, and be easy to implement, they just might.

[Red Dragon]

I'm all for leaving things the way they are as long as fines are distributed evenly. And no particular players are targeted.

I say the easiest fix for this problem is to eliminate fines and we all just shoot it out for the highest possible score

[Clancy]

Even though i dont understand why you were fined, (I dont believe a rule was broken).

Theres almost next to nothing you can do about it, just live with it and move on.
I bet theres tons of other players who got fined and didnt start threads about it.

[doc]

Here is another way of looking at it

With most companies at the moment there is one person supplying with electricity, but, that person is supplying 5 members of their team, several other people within the game through the market contracts and also probably putting a bit more on the RMM. In other words they are supplying a market of many people.

The rules are trying to prevent people from being EXCLUSIVE suppliers to one or 2 people. For one thing it is very easy for a quick check of the contracts to see that there is only one person buying from you. It is much harder to regard you as a feeder if you have 8 or 10 or 20 people buying from you. It is harder to regard you as being "fed" if you have multiple people supplying you at varying prices.

Those with a desparate need to win should see a strategy waiting for them in the above information but it will take a bit more planning and thought (a) .

[insainbrane]

Here is another way of looking at it

With most companies at the moment there is one person supplying with electricity, but, that person is supplying 5 members of their team, several other people within the game through the market contracts and also probably putting a bit more on the RMM. In other words they are supplying a market of many people.

The rules are trying to prevent people from being EXCLUSIVE suppliers to one or 2 people. For one thing it is very easy for a quick check of the contracts to see that there is only one person buying from you. It is much harder to regard you as a feeder if you have 8 or 10 or 20 people buying from you. It is harder to regard you as being "fed" if you have multiple people supplying you at varying prices.

Those with a desparate need to win should see a strategy waiting for them in the above information but it will take a bit more planning and thought (a) .

Thats what Im asking. what if i have a food guy, a choco guy, and an Ice cream guy, and one guy doing straight cattle ranchs. Can he not trade all his cattle for milk from the food guy and supply the other two milk as well? Would he then need to offer the same deals on the market to supply other teams?

[doc]

Thats what Im asking. what if i have a food guy, a choco guy, and an Ice cream guy, and one guy doing straight cattle ranchs. Can he not trade all his cattle for milk from the food guy and supply the other two milk as well? Would he then need to offer the same deals on the market to supply other teams?

You can't expect to be given a detailed list of what you can and can't do. The more detailed the instructions the more grey areas will be found. Eventually everyone is using the same strats and the same prices and the final score becomes a measure of who was or wasn't able to avoid default fees.

Life needs a little uncertainty, so does this game. Just have fun and enjoy :P

Of course I can say that, cos I dont pay any money to play:hehe:

[Shiro Ishii]

what are you fags talking about

[insainbrane]

what are you fags talking about

:grin:

[Jimmy James]

what are you fags talking about

me and you are the only fags here

[doc]

what are you fags talking about

Do you really care?

[Shiro Ishii]

YES i care because i am a fag and i wanna meat other fags

[Jacx]

You dont understand no mod or admin is gonna change a thing.


want to bet on that?

[Button Pusher]

want to bet on that?

oooh pwned! :cheeky:

[Red Dragon]

want to bet on that?

are we going to open a vbookie on this lol

[Shiro Ishii]

want to bet on that?

pwn that mother fucker PWND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Clancy]

yeah, actually im pretty damn confident you wont change a thing.
:cheeky:

[Jacx]

well heres how it is..right now dws is going through a complete rebuild... new code and new database, and a investment in another server (4 now total).

After dws is done we move onto FM which is also gonna get a rebuild and then onto GC.

Coders involved in the project = 1 (rit)

time taken to do it all...u lot take a educated guess!

But hey if were doing wagers...im game for putting some money in!
lets put ur money where ur mouth is boys!

[Shiro Ishii]

dopewars gets done first because dopewars players aren't dorky and nerdy they are all cool druggies

[Clancy]

Wooooooh something to be so proud of eh? :eh: