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[Eyez Neverclear]

Hanging 3-2 curveball deposited into the deep centerfield bleachers and Barry Bonds is now the home run champion. Hank Aaron had a great taped congradulatory message played on the scoreboard for all to see.

The man has been a solid source of entertainment for me for about 18 years now and I couldn't be happier for the man, and even though his knees are shot and he's half the player he was even as a rookie he still feeds my entertainment...... just by drawing out all the boo's and protests as he's hammered away at 755 over his career.

[austinagnish]

Hanging 3-2 curveball deposited into the deep centerfield bleachers and Barry Bonds is now the home run champion. Hank Aaron had a great taped congradulatory message played on the scoreboard for all to see.

The man has been a solid source of entertainment for me for about 18 years now and I couldn't be happier for the man, and even though his knees are shot and he's half the player he was even as a rookie he still feeds my entertainment...... just by drawing out all the boo's and protests as he's hammered away at 755 over his career.

To Some

[hoos]

I don't care who you are, I think Andruw Jones had the right few. Even if Bonds is on steroids, how many other guys on steroids do you see with 757 HR's? The man has hand-eye coordination better than most MLB teams combined have. Had 300 of those balls he hit, hit his bat 2 millimeters above or below the spot it did, he'd have already retired. As much of an ass as BB can be, you have to admire the accomplishment made.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

will last till a-rod crushes it....but bonds is the champ tome....shit like 50 percent of people busted for roids so far been pitchers... hank didnt have to face roided up pitchers so even if barry did roids i think it cancles itself out...wtg barry

[Eyez Neverclear]

will last till a-rod crushes it....but bonds is the champ tome....shit like 50 percent of people busted for roids so far been pitchers... hank didnt have to face roided up pitchers so even if barry did roids i think it cancles itself out...wtg barry

That's a stat not mentioned nearly enough. Roids, while they once were thought to be only for hitters, turns out they help pitchers more than hitters. Roids may give you and extra 5-10 feet on average on a deep hit which may or may not be enough to get you over the fencw, assuming you're good enough to hit the ball moving at 90 to 95 mph or more with crazy movement on just the right spot on the bat. Which is a crazy assumption as 90% of the best ahtletes in the world, of any kind, can't hit that kind of elite pitching. For pitchers though it means the world. Not only can it get you an extra 3-5 mph on your fastball, which alone is the difference between a career minor leaguer and a career major league millionaire. But also, it allows those same pitchers to pitch better throughout the season. It allows a reliever to pitch 4-5 times a week effectively that otherwise wouldn't be able to go more than twice. It allows a starter to feel fresh every 5 days into the rotation whereas non-roided up he'd get tired as the season goes along. Throwing a baseball or anything else overhand is a unnormal motion for an arm that does damage to it every time you do it. Steriods just so happen to help heal your body at a much faster pace than normal. Meaning all that inflamation in your arm you get as it gets tired and you need to ice it down just isn't as pronounced as it was before you started putting needles in your ass.

I would absolutely love for them to catch a mlb'er on hgh or some undetectable roid winning 300 games as a pitcher or saving 40 games more so than I'd love to see the long list of top hitters like Bonds, Sosa, or McGwire caught red-handed. Not to mention the current stars like A-Rod and Pujols that while currently showing all the same signs, have gotten absolutely none of the questioning by the press. Come on now, I'm in Seattle, I saw A-Rod come up through the minors and step into the majors as a 20-30 hr guy that was more of an average hitter because he lived off of hitting the ball up the middle and the other way between second and first. Now he's some huge chested badass pulling the ball into the deepest parts of the park with ease for home runs. Pujols, was a nobody when he was drafted and when he 1st started in the minors. Was far from a can't miss prospect, but of course he turned into one of the best young hitters the game has ever seen, and over night. Nothing suspicious there.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

they aint black and are media friendly and not standoffish like bonds had been to media so media takes every chance to bash bonds..

[Eyez Neverclear]

they aint black and are media friendly and not standoffish like bonds had been to media so media takes every chance to bash bonds..

Couldn't agree more. Somehow we let the media decide who we cheer for and who we boo

[Dymond]

Yeah even more so because the guy holding the record was white *rolls eyes*

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

yeah but if you notice evrytime they talk bout hank aaron they bring upbabe ruth.. name any other person who is 3rd on a list that gets brought up as much as some fat white alcoholic.....

if it was mcquire who broke it woudlnt be no discussion bout roids like they do with barry...or if it was even a more media friendly black guy such as hank..

even if barrywas found to be totally roided up it wouldnt matter if he was a media kiss ass like a rod

[Eyez Neverclear]

Yeah even more so because the guy holding the record was white *rolls eyes*

The man was universally hated by everyone with a press pass for any MLB diamond he played on well before he got into the chase for Aaron's record. The hatred for Barry really has very little to do with homeruns at all. Just that he doesn't smile at them, grant all their interview requests, give them snazzy sound bites and quotes, and he has the nerve to ask them for privacy and call them out when they say something stupid.

I 1st started watching Bonds play in 1990 when he was still a Pirate and even back then it was nothing but complaints about the man by the press, and the 2 sides were to never again be anywhere near the same boat after he was robbed of his MVP back in 1991 when he so clearly had a 10 times better season than Terry Pendleton in Atlanta. Baseball writers vote on the MVP and all this time, 6 MVP's later, a total of 7 of them for him, and he still hasn't forgiven them. And the writers have made it clear they think he's a step beyond the anti-christ

[Dymond]

I'm sorry but thats not holding a lot of water with me. The ole lets feel sorry for Barry because the media doesn't like him. The cloud of suspicion has been following this guy around for the last few years and now its tainted what should be a great achievement plain and simple.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

nah it aint lets feel sorry for barry .. its get off his ass , stop hating, and give the man his fucking due,,the suspician only came when he got close to the record.. aint shit ever been proved...

the media could start same shit bout tiger woods and if they keep saying it as much as they do bout barry then would his accoplishments become tainted also?

give the man his due..look up stats for all playerrs who tested positive for steroids , most were pitchers.

did aaron face roided up pitchers and play in 400 foot parks? did ruth play against any blacks?

both of them records are tainted more than the media induced roid frenzy over barry

[Eyez Neverclear]

Yeah this has nothing to do with wanting anyone to feel sorry for Barry. I wouldn't get shit out of that and I don't get anything no matter what. I'm just stating what I know.

Assume Barry took roids, everyone does and thats fine. But why is he the only one constantly torn down for it? Why when he's far from the only one known to have taken them? Why does nobody talk about an asterisk next to McGwires 600 and Sammy's 600? Why is there no asterisk next to Camminiti's MVP when he admitted he was on them? Why was nobody on Raffy Palmeiro after he actually tested positive for roids and did so weeks after he gave sworn testismony that he did not in front of Congress? He was never even looked into by Congress but they are looking into Barry.

Why has his game been tainted as all steriods when the man one 3 MVP's before he took steriods and was robbed of a 4th? Why can anyone say that without looking at the evidence that more pitchers have tested positive than position players? Why can anyone say that without looking at how god awful terrible all the tons of minor league hitters are that have been busted? Why can't they hit on steriods? Shouldn't they be hitting 700 homeruns? Why have those shitty minor league hitters come back from suspension and only seen on average about a 10% drop off in the power numbers?

Why, because everyone knows only what the press wants them to know and the press has had nothing but hate for Barry for approaching 20 years now. You can say he took roids, fine, I'm okay with that. But where's the hate on everyone else and how come there aren't any national stories on the existing evidence about players numbers before and after they've tested positive? Why is he considered a cheater when a majority of the time he was said to be on roids was when they weren't even banned in baseball and since they were banned he's never tested positive? And why the hell is everyone in this country using the arguement that he tainted a pure game when all of baseballs history and present is filled with endless cheating?

Its the press and always has been. Its propaganda like no other. Everyone thinks they are forming their own opinions but its only based on the limited info the sports writers of america decide they want printed. The info is out there for everyone to find. Its just that 99% of everyone doesn't care enough to take the time.

[Dymond]

Oh they won't ever put an asterisk next to any of those records because even now the MLB would like to pretend it never happened. Plus when you start taking away one record you can't stop until they are all removed and thats probably too much work. However I still stick to what I said, its not about the press, its about the fans perceptions and most of them think Bonds was juiced. So he holds the record but he really doesn't hold the respect that goes along with it.

[HellRaiser]

Yep, Eyez well said and couldn't agree more.
Sadly, your points surpasses sports but everything in life when it concerns humanity in general.

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

Oh they won't ever put an asterisk next to any of those records because even now the MLB would like to pretend it never happened. Plus when you start taking away one record you can't stop until they are all removed and thats probably too much work. However I still stick to what I said, its not about the press, its about the fans perceptions and most of them think Bonds was juiced. So he holds the record but he really doesn't hold the respect that goes along with it.

yes but the fans perception is constantly bombarded every friggin day over and over again about barry being on roids? if you were told over and over again for a few years constantly every where you turned dy that you were cool you would actually beleive it.

why do they always put ruth in as one of the best ever when he never played against the best players(blacks) and didnt play in a ballpark with a fence over 325 feet from the plate?

if that was drilled over and over again into peoples brains then people would be in more of an uproar then a man who hit home runs off of people that were at his worse his peers(also on roids)... or that had more of an advantage of being on roids when he wasnt(perhaps)

[Dymond]

You know this isn't about Babe at all.. He was a fat guy with a decent swing, but Barry couldn't even hold Hank's jockstrap.

[Eyez Neverclear]

yes but the fans perception is constantly bombarded every friggin day over and over again about barry being on roids? if you were told over and over again for a few years constantly every where you turned dy that you were cool you would actually beleive it.

why do they always put ruth in as one of the best ever when he never played against the best players(blacks) and didnt play in a ballpark with a fence over 325 feet from the plate?

if that was drilled over and over again into peoples brains then people would be in more of an uproar then a man who hit home runs off of people that were at his worse his peers(also on roids)... or that had more of an advantage of being on roids when he wasnt(perhaps)

This part is very very untrue. Ballparks used to be substantially bigger in the power spots, from left-center all the way around to right-center. Most were in the area of 400 feet. And the ballparks that gave birth to the false rumor that parks were tiny, mainly the Polo Grounds, had short porches down the line but got huge fast. In fact the Polo grounds, the Giants old field in New York, was 279 to left and a mere 258 to right. Small as hell yes but in left and right center it quickly jetted out to over 440 feet and dead center was the further or any centerfield fence ever used, 483 feet.

Some decent info here on that here.... http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/Dimensions.html

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

You know this isn't about Babe at all.. He was a fat guy with a decent swing, but Barry couldn't even hold Hank's jockstrap.

yeah but proves my original point that the media drills into fans heads that babe was great so most fans beleive it... just like they drill that barry doesnt deserve the record and that his record is tainted....

questions for ya
1. whats most homers hank hit in a year?.....barry hit in a year?
2. whats hanks highest batting average?.....barrys?
3. how many roided up pitchers did hank ever face?

[hoos]

'Roids or not, Barry Bonds is one heck of an athlete who accomplished something no one else has done. Steroids didn't help him to play for 20+ years. Steroids don't help his eyesight or coordination. The only thing steroids do is help him hit the ball further. That's hit. Barry proved he could hit the long ball when he was first in the league. The fact that he could be on steroids is almost irrelevant past that. What if it came out that Griffey was on 'roids? Besides Eyez committing suicide, it would change nothing about him because his swing is one of the best in the game. Barry's swing can produce a HR for guys ranging from him to David Eckstein. If he's on roids, yeah I'll be a little disappointed he believed he had to cheat to be good, but it still doesn't diminish the accomplishment made. 758 HR is triple the amount most MLB players have in a career.