Religion and Bigotry and it's finest - Phone Tap

[Colonel Sanders]

http://view.break.com/290117

yeeeeah. Even though the whole thing was a joke the parents reactions were very real, makes me sick. Hitler should've finished his job before we took em out, woulda been one less nutcase religion the world would have to worry about in the future.

[Shiro Ishii]

TOO BAD I CAN'T HEAR IT FROM WORK.

Anyway you seem like quite the stupid motherfucker saying what you said, that hitler should have finished commiting genocide. Right. You comdemn racism / bigotry and then say you wish hitler finished killing all the jews?

He wanted to kill all the people from jerusalem, not all people who believed in judaism, btw

YOU GOD DAMN STUPID MOTHER FUCKER


p.s. hiel hitler!!

p.p.s. you're a worthless sack of fucking shit! DIE!

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

http://view.break.com/290117

yeeeeah. Even though the whole thing was a joke the parents reactions were very real, makes me sick. Hitler should've finished his job before we took em out, woulda been one less nutcase religion the world would have to worry about in the future.

You are seriously sick. First time in my life i've ever agreed with Shiro. What a joke to post a thread about bigotry that is represented in it's finest by YOUR comments alone....

I dont think in all the years in my life i've ever seen anyone suggest that genocide was a good thing. Than again, this is the internet, and cowardly mother-fuckers like you can say anything they want, hiding in your little hole behind your computer, the only source of social interaction in your pathetic life.

[Colonel Sanders]

lol this isn't the first time I've got this kind of reaction from some people on this forum, so I'm used to it. Let me just say though that I hate all religion, not just jews. In a few 20-50 years there will be an exodus on religion so do not act all surprised about the comment I've made. A lot of people I've known/talked with share this view about religion...and so do quite a few people on the forum. What should make you sick is listening to that audio, religion kills and distorts peoples minds, holding us back as a culture.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

You really have no clue what you are taliking about. How about you get back to me in 20 - 50 years to say "I told you So".....until then, keep your hate to yourself and stop trying to present it as some sort of marx-esque intellectual philosophy. Cause it's not.

Shit covered in roses still smells like shit.

[Asshole]

lol this isn't the first time I've got this kind of reaction from some people on this forum, so I'm used to it. Let me just say though that I hate all religion, not just jews. In a few 20-50 years there will be an exodus on religion so do not act all surprised about the comment I've made. A lot of people I've known/talked with share this view about religion...and so do quite a few people on the forum. What should make you sick is listening to that audio, religion kills and distorts peoples minds, holding us back as a culture.

How come in every one of your overly opinoinated and frankly quite annoying posts youve talked to / know someone who shares your views..

...Yet nobody comes forth to agree with you ?

[the squid of despair]

How come in every one of your overly opinoinated and frankly quite annoying posts youve talked to / know someone who shares your views..

...Yet nobody comes forth to agree with you ?



I agree with him, DIE JEWS! DIE!

[Asshole]

I agree with him, DIE JEWS! DIE!

I hardly think anybody is going to take your post seriousley..

[Shiro Ishii]

HIEL HITLER!! NO MORE JEWS!!!!!!

hua huaaa!

[VikesWookie]

May I ask how people got their information on the Third Reich? It appears not many understand what was going on?

Of course, questioning anything related to this usually gets you branded as an anti-semite. Then again, the parents of this girl sound a bit anti-gentile to me.

[Shiro Ishii]

Here you go kaf, you can print this out and hang it in your cubicle.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/graphics/hitler_fuhrer.jpg

[Colonel Sanders]

lol you people are hilarious. Really I mean that. Many people in other threads will say how they hate religion but when someone actually speaks of taking physical action yall get all antsy.

Hitler was a bad man, I have no illusions about that. And Shrio did say something worth mentioning, Hitler wanted to kill off the Jewish RACE, not just their religion..obviously I condemn that kind of genocide. For me it's quite simple. People need to stop believing in superstition and start doing something that is worthwhile, if you don't then your a waste of human intellect and should sit in jail till you've realized what a fool you are for being doped into religion. If that makes me a bad a person for believing that so be it, I'm comforted in knowing I am far from the only one who thinks along these lines this day and age.

[Shiro Ishii]

Then why not get rid of everyone who wastes their human intellect on other things too, like dopewars?

I don't understand why you care so much if people want to waste their human intellect on religion anyway, what concern is it of yours what they do with their human intellect?

The world is full of idiots, that will never change. No reason to waste your energy thinking about them in my opinion...

human intellect

i had to say it one more time. for fun. EEP!

[VikesWookie]

wow shiro! the cogs are definitely turning upstairs for you. one of the better posts i've seen from you.

EEP! human intellect... what an oxymoron...

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Wow, totally agreed Wookie. Shiro just got a new ounce of respect from me.


On a side note, thanks for the lesson on religion KAF. It's especially ironic that you are preaching it to an atheist :hehe:

[Colonel Sanders]

Oh really I don't feel bad then cause Atheists are just as ignorant and close minded as christians, if you mean Agnostic thats different.

[the squid of despair]

Oh really I don't feel bad then cause Atheists are just as ignorant and close minded as christians, if you mean Agnostic thats different.

So you think there may be a god then?

[HellRaiser]

While I don't condone killing anyone because of ( Input any ) religious beliefs.

I have to agree with KAF on some points...

Religion does breed fanaticism and ultimately ( oddily enough rather then bring people together but the the polar)
DIVIDES humanity into sects to rise and claim "My religion is right yours is blasphemy".
Hence, many race conflicts, many wars and the breeding stem? HATRED.
This hatred breeds simply over semantics of THE perverbial "WORD" of so called GOD.
It is no secret, ( unless your ignorant) religion is soley responsible for a majority of wars and hatred in this world because of that division.
There has been many social cleansings, crusades and witch hunts and general slaughter throughout our history over religion.
This continues to this day in various parts of the World. Fundamentalism is stronger.

Regardless of religious stance all apply for those who take fanaticism to heart.
This does not just apply to individual psychopaths/serial killers ( oddily enough a majority of atest to kill in the name of God),
but sects and groups/cults who poison the minds for their own selfish bidding.
Nevermind all those who are filled with hate of their own religious beliefs who wish for social/race cleansing.
Every religion is a cult regardless of practices or worship but yet only a few are labeled evil lol.
So naturally, because religion is nothing more then a superficial crutch it is a
very dangerous one in many hands, or should I say minds as well? lol.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

KAF can put whatever spin on it he desires.....but the fundamental point here is that he approved of, and suggested that Hitler's extermination of the Jews was a good thing.

That's what I'm here to talk about. You can debate religion till the cows come home....but for someone to suggest that the mass murder of thousands of people based on their religous beliefs is a a good thing??? Who is the REAL ignoramous in that debate?

An intelligent debate on religion should be brought to the SD section.....KAF's hate monger tirade can continue here for all I care......

[HellRaiser]

KAF can put whatever spin on it he desires.....but the fundamental point here is that he approved of, and suggested that Hitler's extermination of the Jews was a good thing.
for someone to suggest that the mass murder of thousands of people based on their religous beliefs is a a good thing??? Who is the REAL ignoramous in that debate?

That's what I'm here to talk about.

Whoah :| hehehe...
I just said he made some valid points in relation to religions association with violence.
I'm not agreeing with his stance on eradication. :hidey:
I agree with you. I was just discussing the finer points of religious poison lol. :angel:

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Sorry, wasn't aimed at you Hellraiser. I just didn't want what he said to be sidelined by an intelligent debate against religion.

Religion has it's pros and cons.... but i'm still waiting to hear from him how it is the basis to eradicate an entire population.

[Dymond]

I've always known Shiro was a smart little mofo.. He just hides it well. I guess what I don't understand here KAF is how you HATE religions because you say they create HATE? I think the real problem comes down to intolerance of people that believe differently than you do and I believe thats called bigotry.

[Santo]

Toleration and tolerance are terms used in social (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology), cultural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture) and religious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion) contexts to describe attitudes and practices that prohibit discrimination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination) against those whose practices or group memberships may be disapproved of by those in the majority. Though developed to refer to the religious toleration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_toleration) of minority religious sects following the Protestant Reformation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation), these terms are increasingly used to refer to a wider range of tolerated practices and groups, such as the toleration of sexual practices and orientations, or of political parties or ideas widely considered objectionable.
The principle of toleration is controversial. Liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism) Critics may see in it an inappropriate implication that the "tolerated" custom or behavior is an aberration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberration) or that authorities have a right to punish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punishment) difference; such critics may instead emphasize notions such as civility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_virtue) or pluralism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism_%28political_philosophy%29). Other critics, some sympathetic to traditional fundamentalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism), condemn toleration as a form of moral relativism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism). On the other hand, defenders of toleration may define it as involving positive regard for difference or, alternately, may regard a narrow definition of the term as more specific and useful than its proposed alternatives, since it does not require false expression of enthusiasm for groups or practices that are genuinely disapproved of.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolerance




There is a word that always should come up before hate, when it comes down to religious matters.

Shiro (Y)


By the way i have not read this entire thread, but after a couple of comments i think this belongs here.

[Colonel Sanders]

You all make good points but really I don't condone Hitlers action of trying to wipe out a race, I really don't. However since he DID come to power and he DID try to do that and there is nothing I or anyone else coulda done short of changing the past...then why not, this day and age say that sure he should've wiped em all out first.

That standpoint is coming from a stance such as this.

The Jews believe they are God's "chosen" Children, many of them believe they are the only true religion on earth, many of them also have a very serious inferiority complex, they also think that they deserve their lump of land they like to call "gods land" and the "chosen land" and that they believe it is sacred ground that should only belong to them, ignore the fact that the only reason they got it in the first place is because people had a pity party on them after WW2. These facts make their whole religion very dangerous and easy to spark confrontation.

They are already causing, and have caused, massive problems in the middle east, they have nuclear capability, they have the UNCONDITIONAL support of the worlds largest and most powerful military nation at their back, if people fuck with them it's a world war...the place is a melting pot, terrorism and religious fanaticism run rampant. And for what? fucking religion thats why.

So say that Israel is one of the major causes of the next World War, or hell if time goes on, enough death through history. Now wouldn't someone say wow, if Hitler had finished his job before he died none of this would've happened. I'm pretty damn sure I would agree with that, which is my stance. That in addition to their wacked up religion in the first place.

[HellRaiser]

Sorry, wasn't aimed at you Hellraiser. I just didn't want what he said to be sidelined by an intelligent debate against religion.

No problem, I just wanted to clear the air so to speak. :)

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KAF, you always raise some valid points in most debates, BUT...
You often kill the value of them by ADDING in your personal judgemental opinion.
Sometimes your opinion is mmmmm not exactly socially or political correct.
Not that I have a problem with that, but most do, hence why so much opposition coming at you.
BUT... I have to respond to your last post here because I really do believe you
need to examine WHY you say and feel what ya do when it concerns any given race.
In this case Israel and the Jews...

I'm not against you, so don't take it personal.
I'm not jewish so I'm not standing up for them or kissing their ass because of it either.
If it is of any interest I was born a WASP. ( Misses Bee Hive :( hehe ) Minus the Protestant or any other religious support lol.

I just believe in the right and concept of equality and put the blame where it belongs.

So here we Go...

then why not, this day and age say that sure he should've wiped em all out first.

I'm not touching this comment even if you offered me candy apples. :hellno:
You placed yourself in a box not even I could defend. :run:
The community here is going to hang you hehehe. :axe:

That standpoint is coming from a stance such as this. The Jews believe they are God's "chosen" Children, many of them believe they are the only true religion on earth.

That ideal in all FAIRNESS is in EVERY religion and the people who embrace it and represent it.

many of them also have a very serious inferiority complex, they also think that they deserve their lump of land they like to call "gods land" and the "chosen land" and that they believe it is sacred ground that should only belong to them.

A lot of people KAF have an inferiority complex it really has nothing to do with race.
There are plenty of jews that I would define as "super quiet" to avoid confrontation muchless bravado.
But now you brought politics into it, uh uh...

Every race I can think of on this planet has their own Country as representation.
It is no secret Jews occupied parts of the Middle East dating back thousand of years ago.
So why shouldn't they stake a part of that land as their own?
The State of what defines Israel is not that big ya know, it's miniscal.
Have you ever looked at the map? 95% of the land out there is occupied by Arabs.
But yet many Arabs have no tolerance or willing to accept the jews or Israel occupation.
They jews have just as much official right to the land as any Arab.
Who says only Arabs should have it anyway? Arabs?
So your trying to say, Israel shouldn't exist and jews shouldn't have an identiity or land?
The community coming again to hang you lol. :axe:

ignore the fact that the only reason they got it in the first place is because people had a pity party on them after WW2.

It was a treaty done to acknowledge the RIGHT OF THE LAND to the jews because ARABS would not acknowledge it.
It wasn't about pity or the after affects of killing of millions of jews by the Germans.

These facts make their whole religion very dangerous and easy to spark confrontation.

Those are not facts KAF, they are your personal opinions.
The facts are quite different that your not willing yet to accept.
ALL RELIGIONS ARE DANGEROUS if mis-used and distorted IN THE WRONG HANDS OR MINDS.

They are already causing, and have caused, massive problems in the middle east, they have nuclear capability, they have the UNCONDITIONAL support of the worlds largest and most powerful military nation at their back, if people fuck with them it's a world war...the place is a melting pot, terrorism and religious fanaticism run rampant. And for what? fucking religion thats why.

KAF, You can't blame Israel or the jews SOLEY for the problems in the Middle East, that is silly reasoning.
They are only DEFENDING the land that is RIGHTFULLY theirs.
Last I checked, terrorists and terrorism and fundamentalism is running rampant GLOBALLY.
Who is behind all of that? Israel/Jews? NO... Muslim fundamentalists.

Yes Israel may be guilty of questionable ethics of handling their affairs but then again,
they have to deal with suicide bombers and muslim fundies that have no ethical standards of war too.
You seem to forget they are surrounded by Arabs and millions upon millions of fundamentalists who want them all dead.
Not exactly a free ride or easy living, when your living day to day never knowing if some nutcases are coming to blow ya up.

So say that Israel is one of the major causes of the next World War, or hell if time goes on, enough death through history. Now wouldn't someone say wow, if Hitler had finished his job before he died none of this would've happened. I'm pretty damn sure I would agree with that, which is my stance. That in addition to their wacked up religion in the first place.

Another comment that the community will hang you for lol. :axe:

As I have shown clearly, Israel is hardly the main root of the problem.
The main root of the problem is the...LACK OF TOLERANCE FOR JEWS/ISRAEL BY ARABS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
But let's say for argument sake one disagree's with that, ( How I don't know? lol)

For every altercation, there is 2 sides. :duel:
The only thing that separates wrong from right is if everyone agree's a certain thing is wrong and a certain thing is right.
In this case, Israel does indeed own the LITTLE LAND they have.
The concensus of Arabs et al, say NO, fuck them all, let's kill them all :boom: jews lol.
So who is wrong and who is right? I fail to see how that is debatable...

I think maybe KAFF, it seems you have issues or hatred for whatever reason that causes you
to feel and think the way you do. Because it isn't logical :dunno: muchless ( excuse the term ) Koshur. :cheeky:

[tca]

KAF, there won't be another world war, if there is, it isn't gonna be who you think, it'll be China Vs. America. The yanks simply won't allow another war of that size to occur. Im not touching the rest of it, as you can be a cunt all you want, i don't care.

[the squid of despair]

KAF, you never answered. Are you Agnostic?

[steff]

Or autistic?

[Mitch]

That's muslims.

[Colonel Sanders]

@ Squid

Yes, I'm agnostic. I shun all man made religion and god with a passion, but I do not refute the possibility that their may indeed be a God, or simply, a deity greater than ourselves, but he has nothing to do or have any relation with man made religion. That pretty much sums up agnostic view point. The reason I would say atheists are just as ignorant as religious folk is because they think there is no god whatsoever, which we have no proof of, just like a religious god etc.

You have to keep yer mind open to any possibility, including a God; but not religious God cause that is just stupid.

__________________________________________________ ____________

And at HellRaiser, you made good points about the Jewish religion, that the points I made, most of them can be attributed to every religion...you got me there, but then again I did say I hated ALL religion, if Hitler had a crusade against Buddhism I would probably have the same argument today (just an example).

Although to the rest of it. I'll just say that if your a history major, or just did your research you would know that the Arabs/Palestinians have much more of a right to that land then the Jews.

[Colonel Sanders]

Oh by the way no one has commented on that actual video itself yet, heh, which is the main reason I posted this in general in the first place. Even though I have a harsh view of religion/jews I STILL thought the audio was quite hilarious.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

@ Squid

Yes, I'm agnostic. I shun all man made religion and god with a passion, but I do not refute the possibility that their may indeed be a God, or simply, a deity greater than ourselves, but he has nothing to do or have any relation with man made religion. That pretty much sums up agnostic view point. The reason I would say atheists are just as ignorant as religious folk is because they think there is no god whatsoever, which we have no proof of, just like a religious god etc.

You have to keep yer mind open to any possibility, including a God; but not religious God cause that is just stupid.



Can you define for me "religious God"? And "man-made'' religion?


Last I checked, "Agnostic" was created by a mere mortal as well.


The problem with your ideology here is that you are rejecting "man-made" religion. Is there any other kind of theology?

[Colonel Sanders]

agnostic isn't an idea, it wasn't created by mere mortals. It's what everyone would be/think if religion never existed, just using your common sense and knowledge of what science knows, and does not know.

[Mitch]

Our Sun is the real God.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

agnostic isn't an idea, it wasn't created by mere mortals. It's what everyone would be/think if religion never existed, just using your common sense and knowledge of what science knows, and does not know.

Wiki:

"Agnostic" was introduced by Thomas Henry Huxley in 1869 to describe his philosophy which rejects Gnosticism, by which he meant not simply the early 1st millennium religious group, but all claims to occult or mystical knowledge.[2] "

How is this not "man-made"?


Following Agnosticism is no different than any other organized religion, and if you think it is, you are only fooling yourself. It has it's own associated set of cultural and theological mores that you follow, ie: the existence of a god(s) is inherently unknowable.

From the beginning of time religion has existed to provide cultural norms and mores, never in the world has there existed a population that did not practice some form of mysticism. Religion has been shown to closely follow the creation of language and writing in early-civilations, and sometimes even pre-dates it. Religion, mysticism, theology, mythology, doctrine, spirituality, theism, agnosticism....it's all the same and will still be here long after you are dust in the wind.

If you think being "agnostic" makes you non-religious....you are sadly incorrect.

[Colonel Sanders]

If you think being "agnostic" makes you non-religious....you are sadly incorrect.

You're an idiot

And so was that whole post.

Wiki is shit for knowing the meaning of certain things, so let me simple it down for you with he good ol dictionary.


1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
2. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

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I do not care if the actual word and term of "Agnostic" was created by a single man. The idea was long before he came about. And I thought "Agnosticly" w/e you want to call it before I ever heard of that guy or anyone else.

[Overclicked]

Our Sun is the real God.

EXACTLY

and KAF is correct.

[Overclicked]

Fuck, Religion is destroying humanity....
This is terrible.

OMG YOU ARE DATING AN ITALIAN GUY.
because you know, being from a certain country makes you less of a person.

I would literally go to each of these guys houses and slaughter them with a smile on my face...

Religion is a sickness to humanity.

People just don't see it because they believe what their parents have told them since the age of 2.

[the squid of despair]

Fuck, Religion is destroying humanity....
This is terrible.

OMG YOU ARE DATING AN ITALIAN GUY.
because you know, being from a certain country makes you less of a person.

I would literally go to each of these guys houses and slaughter them with a smile on my face...

Religion is a sickness to humanity.

People just don't see it because they believe what their parents have told them since the age of 2.


Is religion destroying humanity? Or is humanity destroying humanity? Do people really believe the world would just be some happy wonderful place if religion ceased to exist? Would our primal instincts vanish? Would all wars stop, never to occur again? Seriously, what are people expecting if religion goes away?

[Colonel Sanders]

I would expect less wars, less rivalries, less household fights. More human advancement, we might actually start looking toward the stars faster. I would expect that, either way human society moves forward in a positive way once we can abandon our silly superstitions, look to the past for evidence of this.

[the squid of despair]

I would expect less wars, less rivalries, less household fights. More human advancement, we might actually start looking toward the stars faster. I would expect that, either way human society moves forward in a positive way once we can abandon our silly superstitions, look to the past for evidence of this.


Is there enough evidence for you to believe in evolution?

[Colonel Sanders]

Of course not, it's not fact. And there isn't enough evidence for me to lean towards that explanation anyways. I personally do not believe in evolution at all.

In my thoughts I can tell you with almost absolute certainty that our and the universes existence is so immensely complex no human mind can even come close to comprehending or explaining it.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

You're an idiot

And so was that whole post.

Wiki is shit for knowing the meaning of certain things, so let me simple it down for you with he good ol dictionary.


1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
2. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

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I do not care if the actual word and term of "Agnostic" was created by a single man. The idea was long before he came about. And I thought "Agnosticly" w/e you want to call it before I ever heard of that guy or anyone else.

You are truly a moron. In my post I clearly stated that Agnostics believe "the existence of god is inherently unknowable. "

But since that was too many big words for you, you had to reply with the exact same definition from the dictionary, just in different words :roflmao:

While this is an interesting topic, this conversation with you is futile and intellectually unfulfilling.

[HellRaiser]

HellRaiser, but then again I did say I hated ALL religion, if Hitler had a crusade against Buddhism I would probably have the same argument today (just an example).

Yes, we both hate religion, but you can't eradicate races or social cleanse humanity over any religious beliefs.
That is not sane hehe...

I'll just say that if your a history major, or just did your research you would know that the Arabs/Palestinians have much more of a right to that land then the Jews.

Research and history? Interesting...

How far shall we go back to declare a right of ownership?

The desire of Jews to return to their historical homeland was first expressed during the Babylonian captivity after 597 BCE. This became a universal Jewish theme after the Jewish-Roman wars, which included the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus in the year 70 CE, and the exile that followed. The Jewish diaspora and the population that stayed in the Land of Israel continued to see it as their spiritual home.

The Arabs ALREADY OWN 95% of the land to this date and your trying to say they should own 100% now?

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

I would expect less wars, less rivalries, less household fights. More human advancement, we might actually start looking toward the stars faster. I would expect that, either way human society moves forward in a positive way once we can abandon our silly superstitions, look to the past for evidence of this.

Sorry for double post....but holy f**ing christ....have you taken a single course in history????

Look to the past? OK.... Every civilization since the dawn of time and prior to Christianity has practiced a religion/mythology of some kind. There are cave paintings of deities in South America that pre-date language.

Stop posting crap as "evidence" that you just don't know anything about....

Ever hear of the Trojan Wars, The Sumerian Wars, The Mahabharata War? people were fighting for land and power long before the advent of Christianity.

[Colonel Sanders]

All I can say to you HellRaiser is that you can't go 2K years into the future and say/ask for your land..I want it back, it belongs to us. They got conquered simple as that.

You don't and won't see Britain telling us that they should own a sliver of the U.S. , or all of it, because they lost under an amazing turn of events that was "unfair".


@Maijai - that is you from oldschool right?

Yes you said that, but your whole paragraph did not revolve around debating that point, it was something far more idiotic like claiming the thought of agnosticism is a "religon". You of course ignored the point I made below the dictionary definition, how surprising.

Edit: Oh and yeah I'll bite agaisnt this "Ever hear of the Trojan Wars, The Sumerian Wars, The Mahabharata War? people were fighting for land and power long before the advent of Christianity.""

Just so you know that was before religion ruled the world and governments, so that argument for those wars has no basis. I.E the Catholics and every other fucking religion that sprung up and dominated the beginnings of sophisticated man governments and every day life.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

All I can say to you HellRaiser is that you can't go 2K years into the future and say/ask for your land..I want it back, it belongs to us. They got conquered simple as that.

You don't and won't see Britain telling us that they should own a sliver of the U.S. , or all of it, because they lost under an amazing turn of events that was "unfair".


@Maijai - that is you from oldschool right?

Yes you said that, but your whole paragraph did not revolve around debating that point, it was something far more idiotic like claiming the thought of agnosticism is a "religon". You of course ignored the point I made below the dictionary definition, how surprising.

No I noticed it. I chose not to call you out on it cause I felt kinda sorry for you....I didn't want to draw attention to the fact that you are arrogant enough to assume that you thought up agnostic theology all on your own...

Agnosticism is a belief in a higher power, therefore it is a religion (which are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE), if you want to accept that or not. Maybe you should stop calling yourself an Agnostic and just say that you follow your own opinions.

[Colonel Sanders]

Agnosticism is a belief in a higher power, therefore it is a religion (which are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE), if you want to accept that or not. Maybe you should stop calling yourself an Agnostic and just say that you follow your own opinions.

No, it is the belief that there MAY be a higher power, just like there MAY be evolution. Just like Aliens MAY exists. Jesus are you that ignorant to not understand that Agnostic is in no way shape or form even remotely close to being an organized religion, hell not even "organized"

And yea I'm not gonna even respond to yer first paragraph cause thats just stupid, I already explained that to Squid I think.

Anyyyyways I''m going out for super with my friends to eat a nice juicy steak. Lates

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Edit: Oh and yeah I'll bite agaisnt this "Ever hear of the Trojan Wars, The Sumerian Wars, The Mahabharata War? people were fighting for land and power long before the advent of Christianity.""

Just so you know that was before religion ruled the world and governments, so that argument for those wars has no basis. I.E the Catholics and every other fucking religion that sprung up and dominated the beginnings of sophisticated man governments and every day life.



Seriously...stop talking. You are just digging a larger hole. You claimed that there would be less war in the world if religion did not exist. Clearly history tells us otherwise.

And you might want to think before you post, because your first sentence confirms everything I was saying. War existed before the marriage of church and state. If you go back and look at pre-2000 BC...civilizations were still fighting.

[Colonel Sanders]

Sophisticated man has no need to fight over "Territory" now...cause it's all used up. Nobody these days goes to war because they "need" more land to hunt the buffalo and farm.

Religion filled that hole of violence. Anyways I'm out

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Sophisticated man has no need to fight over "Territory" now...cause it's all used up. Nobody these days goes to war because they "need" more land to hunt the buffalo and farm.

Religion filled that hole of violence. Anyways I'm out


There hasn't been a religious world war since The Crusades. Wake up. Most (notice I said most) wars are, and always will be, about control of resources and power. Resources can be land, oil, water, food supply, etc.....

Hunting buffalo? FFS expand your mind out of the last 100 years or so and there is a whole other world for you to explore. Your tunnel vision corrupts any validity in your arguments.

LOOONG thread short, you claim agnosticism, but really you just are just a spineless skeptic, unwilling to commit to either side of the fence so you hedge your bets.

[HellRaiser]

All I can say to you HellRaiser is that you can't go 2K years into the future and say/ask for your land..I want it back, it belongs to us. They got conquered simple as that.

KAF, they never left. There has always been jews in the Middle East.
What happened was, as time passed by MORE jews came to reside.
No different then any other land occupied by any culture.
This has been an ongoing war for a long time WAY BEFORE the treaty.

You don't and won't see Britain telling us that they should own a sliver of the U.S. , or all of it, because they lost under an amazing turn of events that was "unfair".

Do you honestly think if the Brits didn't do the treaty, the jews would disapear and it would all stop?
It doesn't have to be called Israel muchless anything to have war, it's just about residing there.

Since you're using the ideal of conquering for ownership in todays standards,
With the capabilities of the Israel military and all it's technology of warfare,
they could EASILY seize the whole Middle East at anytime they desire lol.
Why do you think Iran wants Nuclear weapons for?
Israel could effectively wipe out the entire Arab population in the Middle East.
Then claim the whole land as their own and it would end the problem forever.

In your ideal of conquering, this would be acceptable, yes?
Do they do this? NOPE, why? POLITICS.

[Colonel Sanders]

I said Buffalo because I think the word sounds cool.

Squeaky Moose Buffalo

BEST WORDS EVER IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.. Woot too

[tca]

KAF answer me this.........why is there a war in iraq?

[Colonel Sanders]

I'm sure theres tons of reasons masked from the general public for it. But I would say the main reason is a long term strategic foothold, and military buffer state, of the middle east. The reasons for that could be numerous, Oil, Busch believing hes setting up the "End Times" as depicted in Revelations, strategy for a future aggressor, or just pure politics and power hungry men.