scientology

[BRR]

what do you know about it?

[cookedup]

L. Ron Hubbard was quoted as saying "i only make about twenty cents a word writing books, if you want the real money start your own religion" and he did.

[Bellows]

L. Ron Hubbard was quoted as saying "i only make about twenty cents a word writing books, if you want the real money start your own religion" and he did.

thats about it for me too, that and its a big scam

[Maija]

Short Version: A religion based upon the writings of sceince fiction author Ron L. Hubbard. Follwers believe that their bodies must be purged of "thatens" - tiny microscopic beings of evil that affect youir entire life. They also belive in aliens.

This explains Tom Cruise.

[Calienta]

...the silent-birth doctrine holds that children should be delivered in an atmosphere of total quiet, without any groans, screams, or sounds of pain from the mother, or even the audible exchange of information among hospital personnel.

In his book Preventive Dianetics, Hubbard elaborates on the goal of this practice: Apparently pretending to all concerned that pushing a human being out your coochie is not only painless, but downright relaxing, will "save both the sanity of the mother and the child and safeguard the home to which they will go." Furthermore, L. Ron goes on to admonish, "the maintaining of silence does not mean a volley of 'sh's,' for those make stammerers." After a delivery that's "as calm and no-talk as possible," the baby should "be wrapped somewhat tightly in a warm blanket, very soft, and then left alone for a day or so." This strategy of non-care may be convenient for parents with promotional junkets and postpartum photo-ops to attend, but it sounds like a real can't-have for the poor kid stuck in the between-lives area.

http://www.slate.com/id/2128041/


uh- huhn :blank:

[Dymond]

OK if you watched the South Park Episode they actually told EXACTLY what the religion believes..its downright funny!

'Tom Cruise come out of the closet' LOL classic

[Mark]

like all relgions it seems foolish at best

[Nickything]

I love this site.. I visit it regularly, any site that takes the piss out of Tom Cruise is OK by me. It also has the South Park episode that Cruise got banned on there.
http://www.scientomogy.com/

[Buckledmac]

dont know a great deal, went to the church in hollywood that tom cruise & john travolta built between them - fucking gold everywhere lol those dudes got to much cash

[Kat]

http://www.bonafidescientology.org/Chapter/01/index.htm

An explanation of Scientology on the official website - i've only got to chapter 2, but it's worth reading. It's the first time I've heard/read anything concrete about it, and I think there might be something in it...seriously.

[Kloaked Spirit]

Well of course there might be something of merit in there. There's always things that tend to make sense in any religion. That's part of what makes any religion attractive to people. If they couldn't relate to it in some ways, they'd never join. That's likely to be partially why all of the "truth" that Scientology believes in aren't revealed to the newest members. They're only introduced to those that have a "higher ranking." In fact low ranking members are instructed to believe that if you learn too much about Scientology before your level allows you to learn it, you can die.

http://www.xenutv.com/ - another anti-scientology website filled with videos, interviews, and explanations as to why they dislike scientology.

[BRR]

the reason i brought this up is because i saw these

part 1

http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/

part 2

http://theunfunnysequel.ytmnd.com/

there's this too. http://historyofscientology.ytmnd.com/

and i thought this was kinda funny.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e117/brrpics/lolhubbard.jpg

( www.ytmnd.com ) -wicked site.

bonus cosby for ya http://drecosby.ytmnd.com/

[hoos]

Short Version: A religion based upon the writings of sceince fiction author Ron L. Hubbard. Follwers believe that their bodies must be purged of "thatens" - tiny microscopic beings of evil that affect youir entire life. They also belive in aliens.

This explains Tom Cruise.

nothing you can say to me explains Tom Cruise.

[Nickything]

The Tom Cruise South Park ep is possibly the funniest thing I have ever seen , certainly on South Park. I urge you all to download it :D

[Cowboy From Hell]

Short Version: A religion based upon the writings of sceince fiction author Ron L. Hubbard. Follwers believe that their bodies must be purged of "midiclorians" - tiny microscopic beings of evil that affect youir entire life. They also belive in aliens.

This explains Tom Cruise.

can they use "The Force" lol


Don't know much about it, but I would have expected more of a religion which name derives from the word SCIENCE.

I think it's bullshit, that whole scam between Cruise and Shields of post birth depression.....drugs are science, and their goal is to make our body feel better and work fine. (drug abuse is something else...)

And the silent birth with no drugs?? geez! the horror!!! the pain!!!!

[Grendel]

...And the silent birth with no drugs?? geez! the horror!!! the pain!!!!

Childbirth can't be that bad, otherwise women wouldn't go though it more than once...

:oops: Did I say that? I mean, errrrrr, oh shit! The women are gonna kill me!!! They'll be queueing up like this >>> :bat: Maybe I should go and :digging:


Just kidding Ladies!! Honest!!!! :w00t2:

[Calienta]

Whether it hurts or not... The fact that a man has decided what a woman can and cannot do during childbirth really riles me up. Who is he to know anything about it?

[Dymond]

Did anybody watch the credits of South Park in the Scientology episode? They were so afraid of being sued they all used fake names..

I'm amazed that Scientology has so much money they can bully all the anti-scientology sites to shut down.

[Beli]

the thing that i don't understand is the "no talking to the child for a week" to me that seems like semi child abuse. i was recently a labor coach for an all natural childbirth. (yikes!) the baby came out crying his little lungs out. and continued to cry through cleaning him up. when he was given to his mother and she started singing to him, he stopped crying and just snuggled right into her. i think that a parent's voice is the most comforting thing for a new born.
and please don't even get me started about the "no psych drugs" thing. i sat with a guy whose's "voices" told him to poke his own eyes out and he did. he was off his psych meds and was completely crazy. but according to Tom who "has read the history of psychiatry" all the guy needed was "sunshine and vitamins" please Tom, come explain that to the guys family.

[Cowboy From Hell]

Whether it hurts or not... The fact that a man has decided what a woman can and cannot do during childbirth really riles me up. Who is he to know anything about it?

quoted for truth

that is why he ended up with katie holmes, and couldn't handle a real woman like Nicole or Penelope. I can.... :bye: :3some: *me in the middle*

[Kat]

It's such a shame - from what I read on the site the ideas behind it are really quite nice and fluffy and make sense in a strange sort of way - and then they fuck it up by being extorting money out of people, having seriously stupid rules, and generally being wankstains.

Oh, and I don't think the name does derive from 'science' (I can't remember who said that earlier in the thread) - it derives from the same root as it, and means 'the philosophy of truth' or something along those lines.

[RobCheadle]

It's such a shame - from what I read on the site the ideas behind it are really quite nice and fluffy and make sense in a strange sort of way - and then they fuck it up by being extorting money out of people, having seriously stupid rules, and generally being wankstains.

Oh, and I don't think the name does derive from 'science' (I can't remember who said that earlier in the thread) - it derives from the same root as it, and means 'the philosophy of truth' or something along those lines.

Kat where have you been my dear!!!!!!! Missed you!


I think Scientology is the equivalent of a cult and should be banned. :w00t2:

[Buckledmac]

if he wants to believe in it let him, what harm is it doing?

surely if it makes him happy and stuff then i dont see the fuss - only because Mr Cruise is open about his faith does he get ridiculed....you dont see John Travola getting hassled and his beliefs are the same.

leave the guy alone

and Nicole & penelope real women? you must be sniffing glue my friend ;-)

[BRR]

if he wants to believe in it let him, what harm is it doing?

surely if it makes him happy and stuff then i dont see the fuss - only because Mr Cruise is open about his faith does he get ridiculed....you dont see John Travola getting hassled and his beliefs are the same.

leave the guy alone




Tom Cruise Slams Brooke Shields


said alot of news agencies. slamming is not being open, not in my book anyway.

he's not being open. he is bashing people openly for using drugs to treat mental health issues. and mr cruise who has no medical training what so ever has the nerve to belittle a person for using drugs that actually help them. stating that "You can use vitamins to help a woman through those things."

Scientologists have a deep-seated hatred of everything associated with psychiatry — not just the stereotypical psychiatric counseling, but also any medication designed to treat mental disorders. They reject the "science" behind this in favor of teaching that our souls have been infested with invisible spirits known as "Thetans" by the alien emperor Xenu.

and it's true we dont see John Travolta being hassled, that's because he's not a giant dickhead like Tom Cruise.

a true story: a friend of mine was invited by another friend to a christian group, to talk about the bible and w/e. she was new there and nobody knew her. a girl sitting in front of her turned around and said straight to her face "what are you doing here? you're going to hell" plain and simple that person was a cunt.

a good question to ask your self is; do you blame the person for being that way or do you blame the religion?

[Buckledmac]

said alot of news agencies. slamming is not being open, not in my book anyway.

he's not being open. he is bashing people openly for using drugs to treat mental health issues. and mr cruise who has no medical training what so ever has the nerve to belittle a person for using drugs that actually help them. stating that "You can use vitamins to help a woman through those things."

Scientologists have a deep-seated hatred of everything associated with psychiatry — not just the stereotypical psychiatric counseling, but also any medication designed to treat mental disorders. They reject the "science" behind this in favor of teaching that our souls have been infested with invisible spirits known as "Thetans" by the alien emperor Xenu.

and it's true we dont see John Travolta being hassled, that's because he's not a giant dickhead like Tom Cruise.

a true story: a friend of mine was invited by another friend to a christian group, to talk about the bible and w/e. she was new there and nobody knew her. a girl sitting in front of her turned around and said straight to her face "what are you doing here? you're going to hell" plain and simple that person was a cunt.

a good question to ask your self is; do you blame the person for being that way or do you blame the religion?


its my experience that the drugs/medication they gave someone for mental health only seem to make things worse for person but thats just my observation

however im not going into this as i cant be arsed to be frank(as long as i can still be gareth lol) he's got his beliefs and he's welcome to them - he commented on Brooke Shield's situation so why not? you believe in freedom of speech there dont you guys? well you bang on about it often enough if you dont :oops:

[BRR]

i do believe in freedom of speech!

but you said leave him alone?


why?


he can shoot his mouth off on national t.v. and if i feel the need to express my feelings verbally i should stfu?


this reasoning leads me to question your sexuality mr bucklebutt

why are you sticking up for tom cruise? do you like him? :unsure:

that's right i'm suggesting that you may be a homosexual.

but could you just leave me alone!

oh poor me and my beliefs.

i wonder if i could call someone all sorts of nasty things and be really mean to them in the serious disscussion section and get away with it? as long as i believe what i'm saying i have the freedom to say it where ever and when ever. right?

WRONG!

we had our special friend lucy lu come back as normaljoe1 and posted some mean things about a few female users. where did that post go? where did that users freedom of speech come into play?

where were you to stick up for them when they needed you? or do you only extend those rights to moviestars :ice:

i just want you to know that i think tom cruise is stupid fucking dipshit, if anyone should be censored for being annoying it should be him. but we dont need to argue about it. i just wanted to blab, that's all.

oh and dont take anything i say personal buck, i'm just being random. apparently its a mental condition i have...

[Buckledmac]

i do believe in freedom of speech!

but you said leave him alone?


why?


he can shoot his mouth off on national t.v. and if i feel the need to express my feelings verbally i should stfu?


this reasoning leads me to question your sexuality mr bucklebutt

why are you sticking up for tom cruise? do you like him? :unsure:

that's right i'm suggesting that you may be a homosexual.

but could you just leave me alone!

oh poor me and my beliefs.

i wonder if i could call someone all sorts of nasty things and be really mean to them in the serious disscussion section and get away with it? as long as i believe what i'm saying i have the freedom to say it where ever and when ever. right?

WRONG!

we had our special friend lucy lu come back as normaljoe1 and posted some mean things about a few female users. where did that post go? where did that users freedom of speech come into play?
where were you to stick up for them when they needed you? or do you only extend those rights to moviestars :ice:

i just want you to know that i think tom cruise is stupid fucking dipshit, if anyone should be censored for being annoying it should be him. but we dont need to argue about it. i just wanted to blab, that's all.

oh and dont take anything i say personal buck, i'm just being random. apparently its a mental condition i have...


i was looking for this post this morning, where did it go? funniest thing i read on here in a long time :w00t2:

[BRR]

deleted! for no good reason that i can think of.

[Buckledmac]

deleted! for no good reason that i can think of.

no freedom of speech there then! was i the only one who found that thread humerous?

[kitty]

nope you werent...this insecure, attention whoring bad mother thought it was funny too:ice:

[Beli]

Ok Simon you know where i work so this comes from expeirence. People need to take their medications when they have been diagnosed with certain mental health disorders. it is very important!! trust me on this! people such as tom cruise are sometimes idolized and his followers will do anything that they hear from their "idol". how many women may suffer from post-partum depression and think that medication isn't nessecary because soemone like tom (who has never had a baby or suffered post partum depression) says not to take it. did you hear about the woman in Texas who murdered her 5 children because of PPD? happens way to often.
and since when does the church rule you medical decsisions?
sorry i am a little hot on the PPD issue. i just got home from 12 hours working with a PPD woman who did indeed kill her baby. if she would have had the proper medication, possibly the baby could have been saved :(

[Cowboy From Hell]

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5315/tomcruise3hi.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tomcruise3hi.jpg)

:asshole:

[Nickything]

This used up Milf wannabe teen found that thread hilarious too.. i wish I'd saved it now lol

Beli that is so sad and as a mother of three children I am so glad I didn't suffer any PPD other than the usual blues from the hormone swing for a week or so after. Tom and Scientology's stance on depression , psychiatry etc is, IMO dangerous. No one other than a qualified doctor should tell people whether they need specific drugs or not. My Ex suffers from hypermania and I have witnessed first hand how horrible it is when he habitully refuses to take medication. I'd like to see Tom sodding Cruise tell him when he is hyper or in the bowels of depression that some vitamins and sunshine would sort him out.

[Calienta]

Working at a clinic I have seen many people die who refused to take their medication... I also studied Psych so don't fucking tell me medication is not needed.


Simon, I just wanted to touch on your point where you said "it's not hurting anybody" ... they believe they should leave their baby alone for whatever length of time... Did that baby choose the religion? No, it's being forced upon him. Who knows what that can do to a baby's psyche.

[Buckledmac]

you cant honestly tell me Tom Cruise didnt speak to his baby for a week - thats bullshit

btw im not a big Cruise fan if thats wot your all thinking ;-)

[Calienta]

I don't know whether Tom did, I was meaning the religion. I remember hearing him saying he would "allow" Katie Holmes to make noise at the birth, so maybe he cuts corners when it suits him.

[Buckledmac]

just because thats the religion doesnt mean believers follow it to the letter

example:

arabs at home are forbidden to booze, sex, gamble etc etc

they come to UK and its drunken, drugged up parties at casino's with hookers for afters

example: Christianity is evolving as time changes now matter wot the bible orignally said.....female clergy for one, divorces are now "allowed" to re marry etc

dont think i need any further examples

[Buckledmac]

I don't know whether Tom did, I was meaning the religion. I remember hearing him saying he would "allow" Katie Holmes to make noise at the birth, so maybe he cuts corners when it suits him.


surely that was just a figure of speech rach?

[Q80Thug]

arabs at home are forbidden to booze, sex, gamble etc etc

they come to UK and its drunken, drugged up parties at casino's with hookers for afters


:coke: :No we dont....*HICCUP* *grabs prostitutes arse*

:oops: