the jena 6

[Shanna]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-18-Jena_N.htm

ok i just erased what i wrote cause i see this is about to turn into blame shanna shit.twistin my words.. shannas a racist or whatever else oddthought can think of... so the two links provided are good enough..

support equal justice for ALL..:) AND WEAR BLACK SEPT 20TH

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[mtlhdnative]

thats fucked up

[Jimmy James]

it's a shame that this is just now becoming national news... why wait til they start getting convicted before crying racism? where were the civil rights leaders in december?

[JaiJai]

However....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/19/jena.six.link/index.html

According to this article.. the 2 incidents weren't related at all..So it wasn't as if the black kids beat up the white kids that actually hung the nooses.

Yet I do agree with this article where it said those white kids that hung the nooses should have been dealt with more severly for the hate crime mentality of it. And it certainly caused alot of racial tension in that town after the nooses were hung. I think the fact the white kids got off easy is what fueled the fire too.

Should those 6 black boys be charged with attempted murder.. No, I don't believe they should.. But they need some kind of punishment for the the attack... C'mon it wasn't simply a "high school fight" .. A fight would include a person/persons mutually wanting to fight each other.. but in this case SIX guys jumped one guy and "brutally beat him"(according to the article) .. that's not a fight, that's an Attack. They ganged up on him like a bunch of wild dogs which wasn't cool at all. :nono: Why does a group of ppl gang up on one person like that?

neways..I read about this case a few weeks ago, and same as then, I still think both cases were handled poorly by the legal system.

[the squid of despair]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-18-Jena_N.htm


please dont turn this thread to a blame thread ....racial or anything else bad..

Ummm... Like you already did?

[Shiro Ishii]

what if six white kids beat up a black kid?

rodney king riots all over again, i am sure of it.

[I_Rock_Glocks]

h8 is perpetual, this guys a racist, so he gets beat up, guys who beat him up go to jail, in jail you run with your race, everyone leaves jail a racist and gets beat up for it, perpetual...as far as i care everyone involved is a retard, white or black, skin color doesnt cover being a dumbass....watch the movie School Daze

[Overw0rkd]

h8 is perpetual, this guys a racist, so he gets beat up, guys who beat him up go to jail, in jail you run with your race, everyone leaves jail a racist and gets beat up for it, perpetual...as far as i care everyone involved is a retard, white or black, skin color doesnt cover being a dumbass....watch the movie School Daze

well said...

[Shiro Ishii]

then watch friday, and friday after next.

then watch american me, boys in the hood, and menace to society.

[Shanna]

what if six white kids beat up a black kid?

rodney king riots all over again, i am sure of it.


and if all 6 white kids were charged with murder.. then people would still march..
its about the justice system .

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

thing is that noone was seriously injured in the fight so no way attempted murder charges should be issued....even so one of the kids was already convicted of it by an all white jury(so much for a jury of your peers) but it was overturned in appeals court...at worse it should be assault chargers and any incident like it where the whitekids did like behavior should be treated the same way

[the squid of despair]

and if all 6 white kids were charged with murder.. then people would still march..
its about the justice system .


Not true at all. Black people have a need to protest and cry out racism, that's a fact.

I can't recall the last instance of national coverage for a race related incident against a white person, even though they happen everyday. When was the last time the whites marched because "their people" have been wrongly done? You just don't see that.

Example: All black college. No one seems to give shit there.

"Racism" will always be here, another fact.

thing is that noone was seriously injured in the fight so no way attempted murder charges should be issued....even so one of the kids was already convicted of it by an all white jury(so much for a jury of your peers) but it was overturned in appeals court...at worse it should be assault chargers and any incident like it where the whitekids did like behavior should be treated the same way

If the people issuing the beating we're saying "I'm gonna kill you" or "We're gonna stomp you til you die" would that justify a attempted murder charge? Not sure if they said that, just throwing it out there.

[TJ60]

i've never understand the 6 vs 1 thing anyways. How did they think that was going to work out? These kids are suppose to be getting a college education, instead they are acting like idiots. One doing racist stuff, the others instead of ignoring him they jump him and now find themselves in this situation. They could have handled this in a much better way and still be getting their education. I'm sure the media would have ate the story up had they known about the university not doing anything about it. Either way i don't think attempted murder should be the charge, i think assualt with intent to inflict serious injury would suit the case better. You can't deny they intended to hurt the guy pretty bad.

Oh yea squid... The Duke players had a small ralley of supporters (small) it was a case of a black stripper accusing the players of raping her, which in the end proved her to be lying.

[the squid of despair]

Oh yea squid... The Duke players had a small ralley of supporters (small) it was a case of a black stripper accusing the players of raping her, which in the end proved her to be lying.

Interesting point Jock, but in that case the stripper had huge rallies in her support, demanding that justice be served (as usual)

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

free oj

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

:doh:

[Quaker]

Before ANYTHING else can even be discussed we need to understand why in the world someone would have to ask permission to sit under a tree!

Jena's racial tensions were aggravated in August 2006, when three white teens hung the nooses the day after a group of black students received permission from school administrators to sit under the tree -- a place where white students normally congregated.

Anytime students have to receive permission to sit under a tree all sorts of red flags should be going up. Why in the world did these students feel the need they had to ask administrators for permission to sit under a tree?

To try and act as if racism doesn't exist is just silly. To try and act as if white people are the victims of racism more so than everyone else is also just as silly. Excuse me killaho, but when was the last time white people were systematically denied every single right under the sun just for the simple fact that they were white?

You cannot put down an entire population of people for generation after generation and then one day just get up and say "hey were going to wipe the sleight clean as of now and we are all equal".

There is not a single thing you could mention as a white person that has not happened to black people and not happened on a scale ten times its size. Please lose the victim mentality already.

Oh yea squid... The Duke players had a small rally of supporters (small) it was a case of a black stripper accusing the players of raping her, which in the end proved her to be lying. The Duke Lacrosse players didn't need to have huge rallies as their pockets were lined with something that most others don't have. Rallies are an alternative to the wads of cash most whites have to protect them selves... certain luxuries other races have been held back from for generations.

While we are on the subject of rallies... where are the rallies against the clear-cut racism in Jena by the white people? where are the posts in this thread questioning the CLEAR white racism involved? Why did any of you feel it was OKAY for someone to ask ADULTS permission to sit under a tree? Are nooses now-a-days just chalked up to normal teenager ‘jokes’? Why are we not asking where exactly these young white kids got the idea to hang a noose at the tree? The behavior had to have been enforced somewhere sometime by some authoritative figure... but yet we choose to ignore that and as always blame the blacks for everything. We choose to ignore the fact that just as in life these black kids may have just had enough of living in a town spewing with racism... oh no not in America! Lets ignore all that and focus on the real story... a bunch of black thugs beat up a poor innoccent white kid. Lock em up for life and problem solved. Those fucking racist blacks are at it AGAIN!

[Colonel Sanders]

^^ Couldn't agree more

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

Before ANYTHING else can even be discussed we need to understand why in the world someone would have to ask permission to sit under a tree!



Anytime students have to receive permission to sit under a tree all sorts of red flags should be going up. Why in the world did these students feel the need they had to ask administrators for permission to sit under a tree?

To try and act as if racism doesn't exist is just silly. To try and act as if white people are the victims of racism more so than everyone else is also just as silly. Excuse me killaho, but when was the last time white people were systematically denied every single right under the sun just for the simple fact that they were white?

You cannot put down an entire population of people for generation after generation and then one day just get up and say "hey were going to wipe the sleight clean as of now and we are all equal".

There is not a single thing you could mention as a white person that has not happened to black people and not happened on a scale ten times its size. Please lose the victim mentality already.

The Duke Lacrosse players didn't need to have huge rallies as their pockets were lined with something that most others don't have. Rallies are an alternative to the wads of cash most whites have to protect them selves... certain luxuries other races have been held back from for generations.

While we are on the subject of rallies... where are the rallies against the clear-cut racism in Jena by the white people? where are the posts in this thread questioning the CLEAR white racism involved? Why did any of you feel it was OKAY for someone to ask ADULTS permission to sit under a tree? Are nooses now-a-days just chalked up to normal teenager ‘jokes’? Why are we not asking where exactly these young white kids got the idea to hang a noose at the tree? The behavior had to have been enforced somewhere sometime by some authoritative figure... but yet we choose to ignore that and as always blame the blacks for everything. We choose to ignore the fact that just as in life these black kids may have just had enough of living in a town spewing with racism... oh no not in America! Lets ignore all that and focus on the real story... a bunch of black thugs beat up a poor innoccent white kid. Lock em up for life and problem solved. Those fucking racist blacks are at it AGAIN!

still didnt need 6 of em to beat up 1 kid but shouldnt be attempted murder charges for sure...not saying the white kids are innocent they should be charged for a hate crime cause if it was a jewish cemetary and someone painted a swastika you bet charges should be filed...there is wrong on all sides of this from beggining to end including the d.a. whose pursuing this matter...
the only problem i have with a rally is that if these kids are found guilty around the time of a rally i see another riot coming on and that wont solve shit but to hurt more people

[HellRaiser]

The whole thing is whacked and every side is wrong.
I just want to touch upon one statement made below.

To try and act as if white people are the victims of racism more so than everyone else is also just as silly. Excuse me killaho, but when was the last time white people were systematically denied every single right under the sun just for the simple fact that they were white?

I got two words for you, "Affirmative Action".
The concept under the veil of deception of equality but really only affecting white people.
9 out of 10 times now, the race card is played in every area of employment regardless of credentials or experience.
That means there are many positions filled by less qualified candidates soley to please some special interest groups.
I would consider this issue 100 million times for serious that affects whites more then any other race card being played as a totality under racism.

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

The whole thing is whacked and every side is wrong.
I just want to touch upon one statement made below.



I got two words for you, "Affirmative Action".
The concept under the veil of deception of equality but really only affecting white people.
9 out of 10 times now, the race card is played in every area of employment regardless of credentials or experience.
That means there are many positions filled by less qualified candidates soley to please some special interest groups.
I would consider this issue 100 million times for serious that affects whites more then any other race card being played as a totality under racism.


JFC people....I can't comment on this thread other than to say stop presenting your OPINIONS as facts and non-sense statistics.

If you've got a source that says 90% of all employees in this nation were hired under the guise of affirmative action ...then please correct me.....otherwise stop making false statements.

If you personally feel that most people are hired under the "race card"...then by all means state your BELIEFS and carry on.... but don't miss-represent them as false (ie: bullshit) statistics to validate your argument. It's intellectually irresponsible.


EDIT: Here, I'll save you some time and effort.

"According to U.S. Office of Personnel Management's annual report "Federal Equal Opportunity Recruitment Program", a total of 48,033 new minority employees have been hired by the feds from FY 2001 to FY 2006. During the same period there has been a net decrease of 3,960 white male employees in federal jobs" - wikki

wow.....yeah....as you can see from the numbers above, affirmative action is really a plague on the white man's ability to gain willful employment :rolleyes:

DOUBLE EDIT: Before you jump down my throat (per usual), I never said I agree/disagree with affirmative action, I just don't think you should be posting things like "9 out of 10" jobs are based on race when that is soo completely false and untrue. It's closer to less than .0003% of the total working population.

[Quaker]

The whole thing is whacked and every side is wrong.
I just want to touch upon one statement made below.



I got two words for you, "Affirmative Action".
The concept under the veil of deception of equality but really only affecting white people.
9 out of 10 times now, the race card is played in every area of employment regardless of credentials or experience.
That means there are many positions filled by less qualified candidates soley to please some special interest groups.
I would consider this issue 100 million times for serious that affects whites more then any other race card being played as a totality under racism.I am GLAD you brought that up, I had already included it in my previous reply but decided to delete it until someone brought it up. Thank you.

We like to just throw out Affirmative Action as it if is just something irrelevant to everything else that has plagued a group of people for generations after generations. Are you or anyone else going to tell me that as a group, being held down by the be government for hundreds of years is going to have no effect on your future? When you have a system of inequality for so long YOU HAVE to have a system of reverse inequality.

The real problem here is that as the majority, white society still fails to acknowledge the inequality that clearly exists, we like to clamor that we are all equal. I am sorry but that is just not true, you can liken it to a game of monopoly where you have two players, the white horse and the black cap. The rules of the game dictate that:

· The black cap can only move one square at a time;
· Cannot collect any money for passing go;
· Cannot buy any property valued at more than $60; and
· Has to pay double the fines for landing on anything negative.

And all the while the white horse can play the game with the normal rules.

Now lets say after the white horse has gone around the board 20 times, accumulated dozens of properties and the such the rules are change to say NOW EVERYONE IS EQUAL. Is the black cap really now equal? Or is the black cap starting 50 steps behind the white horse? How do you make the black cap equal?

We can still take it a step further; black cap and white horse have kids, does white pony have a better chance at succeeding or does mini black cap? After all we they are both starting on equal footing! To say where we come from has no effect on our future is an injustice in of itself.

Until we all accept that inequality exists then there is no going forward on the issue. Until we acknowledge that our history and where we came from DOES have an effect on where we are now this issue will not go forward. The wrongs that were practiced for so long as the NORM need to be righted.

We have the GI bills giving educational training and low interest money to everyone returning from World War II, white and black alike. The only catch is that blacks cannot buy property in any neighborhood other than the rural already black neighborhoods and whites can really do as they wish, move up the spectrum (or around the monopoly board) as they wished. Now again you have a system of FORCED inequality by the government, a practice that was the norm, but then you are going to sit there and say this all has ZERO effect on where we are today?

The wrongs have to righted at some point.

I asked for one thing whites have gone through that blacks have not gone through on a scale ten times worse and you bring up affirmative action yet affirmative action has done so much for whites through out history, but now all of a sudden it is considered bad racism? How do we reverse all of the previously practiced bad racism that has created what we have now in the US? Minorities compromise 25% of the US population, as a whole they control just 6% of the nations businesses and less than 1% of the cash. How do we, knowing this, say we are all equal? We all have the same opportunities? Unless of course you will argue that those minorities are where they are because they are just less capable purely because of what they are (i.e. black, native American etc.)?

There is so much more to affirmative action than people try and play it off as... it is not just some institution that has magically appeared out of thin air to prop up black folk. Without taking into account the history of why the system came about, what the system is meant to do you cannot have a meaningful discussion about it.

[Stinger]

The Jena shit sucks...period

Human Beings ARE equal...in the sense that we are all of the same species and subspecies. This is pretty much where the similarities begin and end. Life determines the rest. Injustices have existed throughout all of history against multiple races. Although "white" people may not have had specific aggressors against them, history has not been altogether kind to some groups of people within that color spectrum. (ie: Jews) This is not an attempt to make everything right, as this is an impossibility. The playing field will never be level, as there is no way to correct the damage that has been done. The only hopeful result can be in learning to never mistreat another group/race/color again. The likelihood of this occurring is slim to none, despite the needs and desires of all parties concerned. I wish, like everyone else, that this was not the case, and if someone could tell me how we could learn to forgive and to forget the atrocities and injustices against those afflicted throughout all of time, I would personally dedicate the remainder of my life to satisfying that goal. People are prejudiced for many reasons, not the least of which is conditioning, I'm afraid, but also because of things like what occurred in Jena. How can we expect people to forgive and to forget when things like this still happen today? It's not as if we are erasing history...this is still today's news.

[HellRaiser]

JFC people....I can't comment on this thread other than to say stop presenting your OPINIONS as facts and non-sense statistics.

If you've got a source that says 90% of all employees in this nation were hired under the guise of affirmative action ...then please correct me.....otherwise stop making false statements.

If you personally feel that most people are hired under the "race card"...then by all means state your BELIEFS and carry on.... but don't miss-represent them as false (ie: bullshit) statistics to validate your argument. It's intellectually irresponsible.

My gosh, all that because I said ( 9 out of 10)? lol.
I simply stated 9 out of 10 as my own subjective opinion. So okay fine, my error for not clarifying that.
But in reality this is a way more serious problem then you would like to accept.
The ratio (numbers) are probably in the millions and below is why...

I'll save you some time and effort.

"According to U.S. Office of Personnel Management's annual report "Federal Equal Opportunity Recruitment Program", a total of 48,033 new minority employees have been hired by the feds from FY 2001 to FY 2006. During the same period there has been a net decrease of 3,960 white male employees in federal jobs" - wikki

What ya trying to claim with that? Affirmative Action only applies to Government jobs?

Maybe you should read your statement real close, it says "hired by the feds".
Your statistic ONLY applies to federal jobs, hardly the USA employment population lol. :hidey:
You would be hard pressed to use that number to apply it to the entire white population of the USA.

So now were looking at that number in a whole different matter and light.
Because that is soley government related job gains by minorities and jobs lost by 1 race, white people.
No jobs should be lost due to race or color but soley on experience and skill.


Secondly, do you ( or anyone for that matter) honestly believe what the Government declares?
If the Government published a report closer to TRUTH, there would most certainly be OUTRAGE of whatever number they do have.
Because politics is all about Government getting minorities to vote in any way possible.

If you had an CREDIBLE independant study (not sanctioned or hired by Government to influence)
with USA stats, you would've had something to say. But then again you never really had anything to say
as you admitted already except to talk about what you dislike what I state or write lol.


wow.....yeah....as you can see from the numbers above, affirmative action is really a plague on the white man's ability to gain willful employment :rolleyes:

Ya you should keep rolling your eyes because it is very clear you have no idea what your talking about.
Your so called stats or facts is soley from the government desires to declare and government related jobs.
Imagine there is absolutely no numbers stating white females, must of ignored them all together, what a shock... :O

DOUBLE EDIT: Before you jump down my throat (per usual), I never said I agree/disagree with affirmative action, I just don't think you should be posting things like "9 out of 10" jobs are based on race when that is soo completely false and untrue. It's closer to less than .0003% of the total working population.

I hardly ever jump on your back about anything, we disagreed over like what 2 topics on the entire forum?

Your so called fact only applies if you believe what the government reports and if it ONLY applies to government jobs gains/losses.
Maybe if you had a CREDIBLE source that can tell everyone how many white people getting screwed over employment wise,
or should I be politically correct and say ( loss of employment due to Affirmative Action?
IN THE ENITRE USA you would have a point or fact to claim something.

So maybe before you attempt to lecture me on what is facts etc, Maybe you should take your own advice.

Ironic is it not? :zip:

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

What ya trying to claim with that? Affirmative Action only applies to Government jobs?

Maybe you should read your statement real close, it says "hired by the feds".
Your statistic ONLY applies to federal jobs, hardly the USA employment population lol. :hidey:
You would be hard pressed to use that number to apply it to the entire white population of the USA.

So now were looking at that number in a whole different matter and light.
Because that is soley government related job gains by minorities and jobs lost by 1 race, white people.
No jobs should be lost due to race or color but soley on experience and skill.


Secondly, do you ( or anyone for that matter) honestly believe what the Government declares?
If the Government published a report closer to TRUTH, there would most certainly be OUTRAGE of whatever number they do have.
Because politics is all about Government getting minorities to vote in any way possible.

Arguing with a conspiracy theorist is about as productive as chasing a hamster on a wheel.


Ya you should keep rolling your eyes because it is very clear you have no idea what your talking about.
Your so called stats or facts is soley from the government desires to declare and government related jobs.
Imagine there is absolutely no numbers stating white females, must of ignored them all together, what a shock... :O

LOL...you know that white women are considered minorities under affirmative action right? I'm glad you continue to get your facts straight.....

Here's where I almost am not sure if I should bother with a reply, because it is obvious that YOU are the one who has no clue what they are talking about. Of course I quoted the statistics based on the Government employment rates because ONLY THE FEDS ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO UPHOLD AFFIRMATIVE ACTION MEASURES. Private business are not required to practice affirmative action hiring, unless, they have a government contract or have voluntarily created their own corporate affirmative action program.

So when you are interviewing at Burger King next week, rest assured that if you are the more qualified canidate, you will be hired....regardless of race. Private companies do not practice affirmative action.





I hardly ever jump on your back about anything, we disagreed over like what 2 topics on the entire forum?

Your so called fact only applies if you believe what the government reports and if it ONLY applies to government jobs gains/losses.

Again....the only kind of enforced affirmative action, so my statistics stand true.

Maybe if you had a CREDIBLE source that can tell everyone how many white people getting screwed over employment wise,
or should I be politically correct and say ( loss of employment due to Affirmative Action?
IN THE ENITRE USA you would have a point or fact to claim something.

Do I need to say it again?



So maybe before you attempt to lecture me on what is facts etc, Maybe you should take your own advice.

Of course I take my own advice. I don't post bullshit facts and I dont try to speak on something I know nothing about. You might have an idea of what you think affirmative action is, but clearly you have been miss-informed. I don't belittle you for your ignorance of the facts, I just want to keep miss-information from spreading.

Only business that are government contracted or the federal government itself, are required to practice affirmative action.....therefore, my facts stand true, and once again in the face of information that goes against you own opinions, you fall back on standard defense mechanisms of questioning someone's intelligence rather than juist listening to what they have to say and maybe accepting that you don't neccessarily have the whole story.

The fact of the matter is that I don't even agree with affirmative action as it is used today. I think that the more qualified candidates should get the job every time, and that race should not be a consideration in hiring practices. My problem with your post is that you made it sound like it was some huge plague on the white man...when really it is a non-issue. Less than .0003% is a fact that STANDS TRUE.


Did you also know that most of the largest states in the Nation have reversed Affirmative Action laws for college acceptence? Texas, Florida, and California included.....


Affirmative action is going the way of the dinosaur.

Ironic is it not? :zip:

No reply for quaker hunh?

[HellRaiser]

We like to just throw out Affirmative Action as it if is just something irrelevant to everything else that has plagued a group of people for generations after generations. Are you or anyone else going to tell me that as a group, being held down by the be government for hundreds of years is going to have no effect on your future? When you have a system of inequality for so long YOU HAVE to have a system of reverse inequality.

In theory yes, it makes absolutely 100% sense, but in reality it doesn't work.
Because "equality" as a concept is a falsehood in most cases.
A word used for political correctness. Reality is, every human being is different and we are not equal.
This has nothing to do with race or color, it's about individuality traits,skills, intelligence etc.
There are many things that differentiate us to define superiority and inferiority.
I am not stating I embrace social sects to be dividied by classes, just merely stating it already exists and will never change.

There is no need to create a legal system to balance it, balance is about being educated, plain and simple.

The only thing "Equality" is justified is social/legal LAWS and your basic provincial/state social programs.
It should end there. Anything else especially when it concerns livelyhood as employment it becomes RACISM.
Because the person walking out of that room got the job merely because of race and color rather then credentials and skills or experience.
That is just wrong and 100% unjustice hiding behind racism.


The real problem here is that as the majority, white society still fails to acknowledge the inequality that clearly exists, we like to clamor that we are all equal. I am sorry but that is just not true, you can liken it to a game of monopoly where you have two players, the white horse and the black cap.

Those who cry Inequality usually are the ones who got a monkey on there back already.
It's like crying slavery now, or third world people who reside in the USA now,
acting as if they are under a tyranical system where they use to reside.
The system is set up for EVERYONE to have that chance to do the best ya can.
There is absolutely no reason or excuse why anyone regardless of race or color cannot succeed if one truly wants it.
So I say, crocodile tears when it comes inequality in this scenario.

Now lets say after the white horse has gone around the board 20 times, accumulated dozens of properties and the such the rules are change to say NOW EVERYONE IS EQUAL. Is the black cap really now equal? Or is the black cap starting 50 steps behind the white horse?

Well I don't know if your using this skit as a black/white thing or just all minorities to whites, in either case...
You can't blame corporate America (since the beginning) of being a majority of whites lol.
This would apply to every nation who's population is the race majority of that time, so naturally tha culture will set the standards and prevail.
It's not about inequality or racism it's simply about quantity.
But that doesn't mean it's ownership either muchless unfair.
There are tons of QUALIFIED minorities who are successfull or hold power in all respective businesses in the USA.
This wasn't because of Affirmative Action, it was because it became the American Way turn of last century.

How do you make the black cap equal?

The black cap goes to school, gets a solid education and chooses his/her future wisely,
( just like everyone else) to graduate and gain employment in their field as everyone else.

We can still take it a step further; black cap and white horse have kids, does white pony have a better chance at succeeding or does mini black cap? After all we they are both starting on equal footing! To say where we come from has no effect on our future is an injustice in of itself.

They both have the same chances to succeed and be happy if they both put time and energy and have conviction in their goals.
The injustice you speak of is mandating special interest groups to be ABOVE others soley due to race and color.

Until we all accept that inequality exists then there is no going forward on the issue. Until we acknowledge that our history and where we came from DOES have an effect on where we are now this issue will not go forward. The wrongs that were practiced for so long as the NORM need to be righted.

One cannot talk about fairness or justice or equality while using inequality lol.
The concept is CLEARLY HYPOCRITICAL and racist and that is the irony.

We have the GI bills giving educational training and low interest money to everyone returning from World War II, white and black alike. The only catch is that blacks cannot buy property in any neighborhood other than the rural already black neighborhoods and whites can really do as they wish, move up the spectrum (or around the monopoly board) as they wished. Now again you have a system of FORCED inequality by the government, a practice that was the norm, but then you are going to sit there and say this all has ZERO effect on where we are today?

There has to be more to this then your willing to offer to make your case.
I can't see how that could be done in writing as inclusions within a policy legally.
By law that is discrimination and lack of basic social legal rights as a US citizen.
This really has nothing to do with affirmative action obviously.

The wrongs have to righted at some point.

Come on, its that old card being played up again, if we had cry fest for every person getting screwed in the past,
the entire United States would be under water and the US citizens would all be floating on the lakes and oceans to Canada for land lol.
Seriously, come on it's 2007, no excuses...

I asked for one thing whites have gone through that blacks have not gone through on a scale ten times worse and you bring up affirmative action yet affirmative action has done so much for whites through out history, but now all of a sudden it is considered bad racism?

This is my point, your playing the race card now. Why does it have to be whites vs blacks
or whites vs every other culture and creed to become validated as some sort of justice of equality?
Point is you can't sit there and compare yesterday to today.

How do we reverse all of the previously practiced bad racism that has created what we have now in the US?

You don't need to reverse it, it reversed it'self on the majority by people becoming more tolerant.
Society and social standards changing in big cities eventually led to smaller ones.
Education obviously had an strong impact too.
Come on we both know that racism will always exist, some people don't change or want to.
But if you keep implementing systems or mandates or laws etc that racial profile
your opening a can of worms to breed more hatred and racial wars. Just common sense.

Minorities compromise 25% of the US population, as a whole they control just 6% of the nations businesses and less than 1% of the cash. How do we, knowing this, say we are all equal?

Like I said previously, if you have a Country where the majority of the population is one creed at the START, it is only common sense that it will control a majority of the board. But The system is set in place for EVERYONE TO get ahead if one is committed and convicted. Government funds are available for everyone to start a good ideal business regardless of color or creed, so sorry I am not buying the excuses if more minorities rather not do it. No one is stopping or holding anyone back from succeeding or doing it, so I say bullocks...

We all have the same opportunities?

Yes we all have the same opportunities.

There is so much more to affirmative action than people try and play it off as... it is not just some institution that has magically appeared out of thin air to prop up black folk. Without taking into account the history of why the system came about, what the system is meant to do you cannot have a meaningful discussion about it.

You keep living in the past and using that as EXCUSES for why it should exist now.
Hell, I got a good idea to solve the whole problem of, of affirmative action and whites vs Blacks and Whites Vs Minorities

Why don't we just give back the whole Country to the native Indians since we brutally took it to be fair
and every American can go back to England and claim native citizenship? :hehe:

This is the only thing your right about, there is a lot more to affirmative action then people understand and most of it is unjustice.
If I wanted to fund a special interest group I would on my own as most would.
So no I can't have a meaningfull discussion about it with you because you support it,
which means you support racism against white people lol. Because last i checked it only affects white people. :hidey:

[HellRaiser]

Arguing with a conspiracy theorist is about as productive as chasing a hamster on a wheel.

Hardly, it's reality you choose to ignore.
Here, let me help you close your eyes and go back to your comfort zone. :hidey:

LOL...you know that white women are considered minorities under affirmative action right? I'm glad you continue to get your facts straight.....

Which clearly should NOT be. :|

Here's where I almost am not sure if I should bother with a reply, because it is obvious that YOU are the one who has no clue what they are talking about.

No it's quite clear your ignorant which can't be helped on your part. :P
When you got caught with your stats being useless and your thong down you resorted to below coment.

Of course I quoted the statistics based on the Government employment rates because ONLY THE FEDS ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO UPHOLD AFFIRMATIVE ACTION MEASURES. Private business are not required to practice affirmative action hiring, unless, they have a government contract or have voluntarily created their own corporate affirmative action program.

You silly muppet, almost every corporation does it, it's on the application form, race, color, minority.
Enuff said!

So when you are interviewing at Burger King next week, rest assured that if you are the more qualified canidate, you will be hired....

Burger King? lol
You silly rabbit, tricks are for kids, I made enough to retire when I hit 35, while you and rest of the sheep slave away. :)

Do I need to say it again?

Apparently I do lol. :hehe:

Of course I take my own advice. I don't post bullshit facts and I dont try to speak on something I know nothing about.

Then why are you speaking here muchless anywhere on these forums? :P

You might have an idea of what you think affirmative action is, but clearly you have been miss-informed. I don't belittle you for your ignorance of the facts, I just want to keep miss-information from spreading.

Well then you should shut the fuck up lol. :hehe:

Did you also know that most of the largest states in the Nation have reversed Affirmative Action laws for college acceptence? Texas, Florida, and California included.....

No I did not, but that is good to know, yeah for them lol.


No reply for quaker hunh?

You missed it apparently while your eyes were closed. :hidey:

[Furyous]

Oddly enough Hellraiser, I agree with your views on this subject. I have a family member that claimed bankruptcy three times in his life. He DIDN'T QUIT! He kept pushing, knowing some day he could make something of himself. He sold his business about 6 months ago, when he found out that his cancer was going to kill him. The final sum for his domestic and foreign businesses was, ready for this? $17 Billion (USD)!!! This was a man who dropped out of community college with a C average, but yet never gave up on his dreams.

Yes, he was white, but I don't give a S**t about that. I don't care what color you are, if you've got drive, you can make it.

The real problem here Hellraiser is; you, like me, come from a Realist point of view, and you are arguing with Idealists. Nothing necessarily wrong with either viewpoint. It takes all kinds... I haven't gotten into this discussion because I could see where it was going on page one! Just thought I'd hop in and show you a bit of support.

I'm $50,000 dollars in the whole, living in S. America. I am discriminated against daily, but you know what? I'll be damned if I'm going to let that stop me! People refused to do business with me for over a year, simply because I am a Gringo. I still have some dealerships that won't let me on their lot. I know what discrimination is, difference is, I won't let it beat me and I won't let it hold me down! It's all about will power and the will to succeed.

/rant

*edit*
Check out this web page for a nice fresh outlook on this topic from a famous "minority" neurosurgeon... Kind of interesting, dont you think?


http://www.drbencarson.com/index.html

NO EXCUSES

Whatever one's handicaps or hardships in life, individuals can choose how to respond to difficulties, says Dr. Ben Carson. "We do not have to be victims of circumstances, however grim," he says.

In his books and before audiences, he draws upon his own experience of growing up impoverished and confronted by racism, and the life he brought forth. In his book Think Big, Dr. Carson writes: "Young folks need to know that the way to escape their often dismal situations is contained within themselves. They can't expect other people to do it for them. Perhaps I can't do much, but I can provide one living example of someone who made it and who came from, what we all call, a disadvantaged background."

To those who cite racism as the impediment to their success, Carson replies that obstacles of any kind are to be hurdled, and ignorance confronted where ever it's found. In childhood and in his medical career, he experienced the personal affronts and low expectations of those who judged him by the color of his skin. He refused, however, to allow them to become excuses for inaction, failure, or anger: "I've always remembered my mother telling us, even as children, that when it comes to prejudices, some people are just ignorant, and need to be educated."

Dr. Ben Carson

[Stinger]

Oddly enough Hellraiser, I agree with your views on this subject. I have a family member that claimed bankruptcy three times in his life. He DIDN'T QUIT! He kept pushing, knowing some day he could make something of himself. He sold his business about 6 months ago, when he found out that his cancer was going to kill him. The final sum for his domestic and foreign businesses was, ready for this? $17 Billion (USD)!!! This was a man who dropped out of community college with a C average, but yet never gave up on his dreams.

Yes, he was white, but I don't give a S**t about that. I don't care what color you are, if you've got drive, you can make it.

The real problem here Hellraiser is; you, like me, come from a Realist point of view, and you are arguing with Idealists. Nothing necessarily wrong with either viewpoint. It takes all kinds... I haven't gotten into this discussion because I could see where it was going on page one! Just thought I'd hop in and show you a bit of support.

I'm $50,000 dollars in the whole, living in S. America. I am discriminated against daily, but you know what? I'll be damned if I'm going to let that stop me! People refused to do business with me for over a year, simply because I am a Gringo. I still have some dealerships that won't let me on their lot. I know what discrimination is, difference is, I won't let it beat me and I won't let it hold me down! It's all about will power and the will to succeed.

/rant

*edit*
Check out this web page for a nice fresh outlook on this topic from a famous "minority" neurosurgeon... Kind of interesting, dont you think?


http://www.drbencarson.com/index.html

NO EXCUSES

Whatever one's handicaps or hardships in life, individuals can choose how to respond to difficulties, says Dr. Ben Carson. "We do not have to be victims of circumstances, however grim," he says.

In his books and before audiences, he draws upon his own experience of growing up impoverished and confronted by racism, and the life he brought forth. In his book Think Big, Dr. Carson writes: "Young folks need to know that the way to escape their often dismal situations is contained within themselves. They can't expect other people to do it for them. Perhaps I can't do much, but I can provide one living example of someone who made it and who came from, what we all call, a disadvantaged background."

To those who cite racism as the impediment to their success, Carson replies that obstacles of any kind are to be hurdled, and ignorance confronted where ever it's found. In childhood and in his medical career, he experienced the personal affronts and low expectations of those who judged him by the color of his skin. He refused, however, to allow them to become excuses for inaction, failure, or anger: "I've always remembered my mother telling us, even as children, that when it comes to prejudices, some people are just ignorant, and need to be educated."

Dr. Ben Carson


Thank You!
If I could rep you I would.
*hugs*

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

No it's quite clear your ignorant which can't be helped on your part. :P
When you got caught with your stats being useless and your thong down you resorted to below coment.

You silly muppet, almost every corporation does it, it's on the application form, race, color, minority.
Enuff said!

Burger King? lol
You silly rabbit, tricks are for kids, I made enough to retire when I hit 35, while you and rest of the sheep slave away. :)

Apparently I do lol. :hehe:

Then why are you speaking here muchless anywhere on these forums? :P

Well then you should shut the fuck up lol. :hehe:

No I did not, but that is good to know, yeah for them lol.

You missed it apparently while your eyes were closed. :hidey:
Must have closed my eyes for quite some time then, considering our two posts were an hour apart :rolleyes:


Wow, those are true gems of wisdom. From the self proclaimed "Master debater" I would have expected more, unfortunatley when backed in a wall all you have are insults and obscenities to comfort you. Did you really post ANYTHING to support your argument up there?


Facts are:

1. You posted numbers you (self admittedly) pulled out of your ass to support a weak argument.

2. You reply with 6th grade insults and name calling.

3. And at the end of it all, you are still WRONG, lmao. "As it is illegal to discriminate against candidates based upon race or national origin, questions such as "What is your race?", "What country are you from?" are totally inappropriate." In addition from the United States EEOC: http://www.eeoc.gov/types/race.html

4. ARE YOU SLOW? you keep telling me above my stats are wrong, yet can't provide a reason why? :hehe: Only federal government jobs practice affirmative action, as I just proved above, so again your argument is full of holes. And while I NEVER would base an argument on personal generalizations like some people do, I have never in all my years of life seen a non-federal job application ask for race. Was this just something else you pulled out of your ass? How about I save us alll some time and reply in advance for you: "Wow, you dumb *insert vaguely british insult here*, you are soo stupid and wrong. All companies do it and you are just too blind and foolish to see it like I can. It's true because I say so, you pathetic sheep"




I prefer not to stoop to your level, but really who should be the one to shut the fuck up here?

Only a true ignorant narcisscist would continue to fling mud when faced with the facts that you are wrong. You claimed that Affirmative Action is this big huge issue holding white men down....but HAVE YET TO PROVE IT with anything other than "because i think so"

[Stinger]

4. ARE YOU SLOW? you keep telling me above my stats are wrong, yet can't provide a reason why? :hehe: Only federal government jobs practice affirmative action, as I just proved above, so again your argument is full of holes. And while I NEVER would base an argument on personal generalizations like some people do, I have never in all my years of life seen a non-federal job application ask for race. Was this just something else you pulled out of your ass?


*jftr* In the state of Oregon at least, every application I have EVER filled out since my very first one over twenty years ago has asked for my race or ethnicity. I always piss and moan because my race is not "white". If I claim anything, I fill in "other" ie: Euro-American just to be a smart ass. :hidey:

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

*jftr* In the state of Oregon at least, every application I have EVER filled out since my very first one over twenty years ago has asked for my race or ethnicity. I always piss and moan because my race is not "white". If I claim anything, I fill in "other" ie: Euro-American just to be a smart ass. :hidey:



Hmm, really? I've never ever had a job application ask me my race, except for when I was getting bonded to work in banking. Maybe because I live in california? Proposition 209 passed in 2001 which ended all affirmative action based programs based on gender or race. "Proposition 209 provides that "The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting."

I know that by law, you are NOT required to answer a race/ethnicity question on any application or document. I consistently leave that question blank on college forms and census documents.

I do belive you though, because the EEOC says you are allowed to collect that information on applications only......HOWEVER, it is not proof that the company you are applying with practices affirmative action.

Thanks for sharing your experience SH. Maybe it's different in Cali? :dunno:

[Jimmy James]

Hmm, really? I've never ever had a job application ask me my race, except for when I was getting bonded to work in banking. Maybe because I live in california? Proposition 209 passed in 2001 which ended all affirmative action based programs based on gender or race. "Proposition 209 provides that "The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting."

I know that by law, you are NOT required to answer a race/ethnicity question on any application or document. I consistently leave that question blank on college forms and census documents.

I do belive you though, because the EEOC says you are allowed to collect that information on applications only......HOWEVER, it is not proof that the company you are applying with practices affirmative action.

Thanks for sharing your experience SH. Maybe it's different in Cali? :dunno:

yeah.. here in FL they ask you on some applications, but you're not required to answer those questions...

[Puppy Dogs and Ice Cream]

funny how with all this people arguing bout inequality that the top 2 people for prersident in 2008 are a woman and a black man

inequality and rascism and discrimination are overated ..like furyous says its all bout the drive and using common sence

[HellRaiser]

Wow, those are true gems of wisdom.

Thank you for your kind words and support. :hehe:

From the self proclaimed "Master debater" I would have expected more, unfortunatley when backed in a wall all you have are insults and obscenities to comfort you. Did you really post ANYTHING to support your argument up there?

There is nothing to debate, what were talking about here is our opinions.
The only fact is the reality of discrimination based upon the white race stemming from Affirmative Action ideals
pushed down the social line to have companies and coprorations become politically correct.

Facts are:

1. You posted numbers you (self admittedly) pulled out of your ass to support a weak argument.

No, I already stated the whole 9 out of 10 was not meant as an actuality.
But it doesn't take away the fact it is going on MORE then you care to accept.

2. You reply with 6th grade insults and name calling.

No, I only do that for you because it's the only way you can get the sound waves to your brain. :|

3. And at the end of it all, you are still WRONG, lmao. "As it is illegal to discriminate against candidates based upon race or national origin, questions such as "What is your race?", "What country are you from?" are totally inappropriate."

LMAO, if any laughing should be goin on it should be at you because this shows just how naieve or ignorant you are.

Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's not happening, what a muppet.
As you already have seen by a few responses THEY ARE ON APPLICATION FORMS,
if it is choice or not to fill it, is not the point, the EMPLOYER decides who is hired.
As most people know, to be political correct these days no company or corporation wants to be targeted or liabled against for not having so many minorities of various creeds as employee's.

SO YES, IT IS GOING ON EVERYWHERE REGARDLESS... :hehe:

In addition from the United States EEOC: http://www.eeoc.gov/types/race.html

4. ARE YOU SLOW?

No you are slow because you don't grasp reality, you live inside a link and believe that is the end of it lol.

Only federal government jobs practice affirmative action, as I just proved above, so again your argument is full of holes.

As I keep telling you because YOUR SLOW and apparently lacking severe comprehension skills, IT STILL GOES ON REGARDLESS EVERYDAY lol. :hehe:


I have never in all my years of life seen a non-federal job application ask for race.

It goes on in many States and you already heard some tell you that lol.

Was this just something else you pulled out of your ass? How about I save us alll some time and reply in advance for you: "Wow, you dumb *insert vaguely british insult here*, you are soo stupid and wrong. All companies do it and you are just too blind and foolish to see it like I can. It's true because I say so, you pathetic sheep"

Well you would look like a big fool now wouldn't you? :hehe:

I prefer not to stoop to your level, but really who should be the one to shut the fuck up here?

Since everything you posted to me has no relevance and you already been proven incorrect by others who stated they seen and have it on their forms, I guess I stand corrected about shutting the fuck up lol.:grin:

Only a true ignorant narcisscist would continue to fling mud when faced with the facts that you are wrong.

Well I guess that reflection you should consider with great concern because it's staring you in the face. :cheeky:

[HellRaiser]

Oddly enough Hellraiser, I agree with your views on this subject. I have a family member that claimed bankruptcy three times in his life. He DIDN'T QUIT! He kept pushing, knowing some day he could make something of himself. He sold his business about 6 months ago, when he found out that his cancer was going to kill him. The final sum for his domestic and foreign businesses was, ready for this? $17 Billion (USD)!!! This was a man who dropped out of community college with a C average, but yet never gave up on his dreams.

That is truly a major success story and well deserved.

Yes, he was white, but I don't give a S**t about that. I don't care what color you are, if you've got drive, you can make it.

You got that dead on, it is the American dream.

The real problem here Hellraiser is; you, like me, come from a Realist point of view, and you are arguing with Idealists. Nothing necessarily wrong with either viewpoint. It takes all kinds... I haven't gotten into this discussion because I could see where it was going on page one! Just thought I'd hop in and show you a bit of support.

Thanks, for the support...

I don't see how opposers are idealists though because what they prescribe to, goes against everything that Is American. Meaning, you work your ass off and earn your way to the top, blood ,sweat and tears, nothing more and nothing less. If one gets special treatment or priveleges simply because of color of skin or race that is INJUSTICE, it is discrimination and it is NOT equality. Just plain wrong... It destroys the whole foundation of what America stands for and defines.

I'm $50,000 dollars in the whole, living in S. America. I am discriminated against daily, but you know what? I'll be damned if I'm going to let that stop me! People refused to do business with me for over a year, simply because I am a Gringo. I still have some dealerships that won't let me on their lot. I know what discrimination is, difference is, I won't let it beat me and I won't let it hold me down! It's all about will power and the will to succeed.

Good for you man, you keep pushing and pushing... Show them what your made of.
In the end you will be victorious. :)

[Shanna]

damn i wish you guys wouldnt fight...
seems we got off topic.:glare:

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

There is nothing to debate, what were talking about here is our opinions.

The only shred of truth in your entire post.....you finally admit to opinion, NOT fact.




Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's not happening, what a muppet.
As you already have seen by a few responses THEY ARE ON APPLICATION FORMS,
if it is choice or not to fill it, is not the point, the EMPLOYER decides who is hired.
As most people know, to be political correct these days no company or corporation wants to be targeted or liabled against for not having so many minorities of various creeds as employee's.

SO YES, IT IS GOING ON EVERYWHERE REGARDLESS... :hehe:


If anything, asking for race on an application is a HINDRENCE against the minority you dim wit. How many "good ole' boy" CEOs will immeditely dump the application in the trash based on the race?

Especially since they aren't LEGALLY required to adhere to affirmative action.



No you are slow because you don't grasp reality, you live inside a link and believe that is the end of it lol.

I live in the reality of facts, not some made up world in my head that you seem to inhabit. Although I must admit you live a great life ideaology...."It happens because I say so"...who can ever argue with that?



As I keep telling you because YOUR SLOW and apparently lacking severe comprehension skills, IT STILL GOES ON REGARDLESS EVERYDAY lol. :hehe:

Ok then, show me?? Where are you getting this info that affirmative action is happening every day in the non-federal sector? or is it more of...."It happens because I think so"

If you really wanted to, I'm sure you could find some numbers out there. But either you are too lazy, or too scared to be proven wrong?

Then again, as a conspiracy theorist, all you'd have to say is that the numbers are wrong because the corporations are hiding things from the public.

You've just got the perefct reply for every argument don't you? :cheeky: How's life in that bubble?



It goes on in many States and you already heard some tell you that lol.

Yup it does. I've never seen it on an application, but unlike you, I listen to others and accept that I may be wrong on certain points. It doesn't invalidate the ratio of people who were actually hired under affirmative action.


Since everything you posted to me has no relevance and you already been proven incorrect by others who stated they seen and have it on their forms, I guess I stand corrected about shutting the fuck up lol.:grin:

I was proven incorrect that they do not ask for race on some applications. Have you yet to prove that affirmative action is happening in larger ratios than .0003%??

Um...yeah....that would be NO.


"It happens because I think it does" is your only argument.


I'm done now. There's no arguing with that infinite wisdom.

[Stinger]

Shanna' IS right though...
This thread is supposed to be about an injustice to some kids being tried unfairly.
Their crime was indeed a crime, but their punishment is unusually harsh because of who they are...
This is wrong, despite whether minorities or "whites" are being hired into the work force across our nation.

There is a disgusting reality, going on in this little town of Jena, and in many communities elsewhere,
that Americans from other parts of the US don't necessarily share in the knowledge of.

In the part of the United States where they reside, unfortunately, people still believe a lot of the "good ol' boy" crap.
The type of discrimination that they still today endure there
is what most Americans would think of as being a part of the 1950's or the 1960's.
In other parts of the world where discrimination continues to be an ongoing problem it remains an issue as well.

Discrimination will always exist...because people as a whole fear what they do not understand,
trust in what they know, and are afraid of change.


Maija: I would still like to know where the .0003% thing comes in though...? :hidey:

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Maija: I would still like to know where the .0003% thing comes in though...? :hidey:



Sure!

Only federal jobs are required to comply with Affirmative Action hiring regulations. Private companies do not have to practice affirmative action by law, it is strictly voluntary. I have suggested to Hellraiser that maybe he find these numbers to better support his argument.

Anyway….According to U.S. Office of Personnel Management's annual report "Federal Equal Opportunity Recruitment Program", a total of 48,033 new minority employees have been hired by the feds from FY 2001 to FY 2006. During the same period there has been a net decrease of 3,960 white male employees in federal jobs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

There were approximately 152.9 million people employed in August 2007 http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Using the above numbers, approximately .0003% of the entire working population were hired under affirmative action laws.

Many people see affirmative action as this huge behemoth holding the white man down and keeping more qualified people from getting jobs, but this is just a fallacy.

We can even just look at the JUST THE FEDERAL NUMBERS and see that affirmative action is a minor issue. With 2 million federal employees (excluding the Postal Service!), the decrease of 3,960 white male jobs only represents a mere .00198% of federal employees. With a small .024% hired under affirmative action. We are not even talking about 1% here!!!!!

In fact, California, the state with the LARGEST NUMBER OF WORKERS in the entire nation has abolished affirmative action completely. Prop 209 repealed all affirmative action laws in 2001. Texas, Florida, and many other states have followed….


Basically, affirmative action was born out of the “politically correct” era of the early and late 90’s. It was quickly shown to not work as most had hoped, and in this day and age….affirmative action is really a non-issue. It is dying a quick death.

My issue is with the people who continue to rant and complain about affirmative action, and how horrible it is to the white man, and how “9 out of 10” people are hired by affirmative action…….when it just isn’t so.

[Stinger]

Anyway….According to U.S. Office of Personnel Management's annual report "Federal Equal Opportunity Recruitment Program", a total of 48,033 new minority employees have been hired by the feds from FY 2001 to FY 2006. During the same period there has been a net decrease of 3,960 white male employees in federal jobs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

There were approximately 152.9 million people employed in August 2007 http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Using the above numbers, approximately .0003% of the entire working population were hired under affirmative action laws.



Okay. SOooo, 48,033/152,900,000 then? Needed the other number I guess. Thanks.
:$

[HellRaiser]

The only shred of truth in your entire post.....you finally admit to opinion, NOT fact.

You have no facts but that BIASED government bullshit. Nice try.
Your such a jester, too bad you can't see the OBVIOUS. :)

If anything, asking for race on an application is a HINDRENCE against the minority you dim wit. How many "good ole' boy" CEOs will immeditely dump the application in the trash based on the race?

Many bonehead since companies want to be percieved as politically correct, do you even go outside and experience the real world or actually have any business sense? :O

I live in the reality of facts, not some made up world in my head that you seem to inhabit.

The only reality you seem to live in is inside your box, as it is clearly shown. :hidey:

Ok then, show me?? Where are you getting this info that affirmative action is happening every day in the non-federal sector? or is it more of...."It happens because I think so"

WAKE THE FUCK UP and go outside and enter yourself in the public sector and see for yourself, because it's not based upon numbers it's based upon what is HAPPENING.
Or are you just too dumb not to GRASP THAT simple but basic concept called business sense? :hidey:

Then again, as a conspiracy theorist, all you'd have to say is that the numbers are wrong because the corporations are hiding things from the public.

No, it would only be publicized if the company or corporation wants special baked cookies from private funding ya muppet.
My gosh are you seriously so naieve and "out there" you don't see the EMPLOYEE RATIO as so diverse simply to appease political correctness rather then true deserving positions? Enuff Said!

You've just got the perefct reply for every argument don't you? :cheeky: How's life in that bubble?

Hey if the shoe fits, you should wear it proudly. :hehe:

Yup it does. I've never seen it on an application, but unlike you, I listen to others and accept that I may be wrong on certain points. It doesn't invalidate the ratio of people who were actually hired under affirmative action.

No, when I am wrong I freely admit it, but I am not wrong about employment standards and the heavy multicultural hiring process. Just because where you reside YOU DON'T SEE IT, doesn't mean it doesn't exist and happening daily. ARE YOU EVERYWHERE? California is the biggest melting pot.

Pick any person here and ask them how many white people work where they do compared to every other race and their numbers, then maybe you can wake up from your bubble. :hidey:

I was proven incorrect that they do not ask for race on some applications. Have you yet to prove that affirmative action is happening in larger ratios than .0003%??

You haven't proven squat because as far as I am concerned it's NOT THE REAL NUMBERS going on within society because it can't BE counted to be KNOWN , ya muppet.


"It happens because I think it does" is your only argument.

No, it happens because YOU think it doesn't. :hehe:


I'm done now. There's no arguing with that infinite wisdom.

You got that right, you should of shut up a long time ago. :zip:
When you live in the real world for awhile, ya know interacting with other corperations and companies and get a good feel for social political hiring and employed ratio's, come back then. :hidey:

[HellRaiser]

Private companies do not have to practice affirmative action by law, it is strictly voluntary. I have suggested to Hellraiser that maybe he find these numbers to better support his argument.

I keep telling you ya muppet that it is going on and happening regardless if it is law or not but you refuse to acknowledge the corperate world, political correctness, multi cultural, diversity work force exists because of it.


There were approximately 152.9 million people employed in August 2007 http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm, Using the above numbers, approximately .0003% of the entire working population were hired under affirmative action laws.

Lmao, using the above numbers means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, because you don't even know what that means.
For all you or I know, (pick any number of millions) of minorities were hired to meet social political correctness.
You make it sound like bulk of that 152.9 million were WHITE PEOPLE. :P

Many people see affirmative action as this huge behemoth holding the white man down and keeping more qualified people from getting jobs, but this is just a fallacy.

Many people like to talk about affirmative action being not a problem and immaterial because they like to believe the MAGIK percentage point is all it is and never looks past it seeing it's only the pebble in the sea DECLARED. Reality would be more like quite a few jobs are being filled by less qualified individuals to meet that criteria image.

My issue is with the people who continue to rant and complain about affirmative action, and how horrible it is to the white man, and how “9 out of 10” people are hired by affirmative action…….when it just isn’t so.

My issue is with muppets who don't see or live outside their dwelling muchless have any knowledge in business practices or coperations standards of any type of public image to know the difference between what is said or typed and what actually is happening as REALiTY. :S :cheeky:

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

Many people like to talk about affirmative action being not a problem and immaterial because they like to believe the MAGIK percentage point is all it is and never looks past it seeing it's only the pebble in the sea DECLARED. Reality would be more like quite a few jobs are being filled by less qualified individuals to meet that criteria image.


You're right. Why should I listen to numbers published by the US Government in accordance with federal affirmative action hiring regulations when I can listen to some know-it-all unemployed conspiracy theorist nutjob on a drug forum message board whoose infinite wisdoms grace our presence with such intimate knowledge of corporate business and hiring practices that he was able to retire at 35 and live off his self made (no college degree) wealth? Clearly you are a far more reliable source than the US government, and know much more about the TRUE numbers than they do. How could I have been soo blind?

My apologies to anyone who got stuck in this train wreck of a thread....

Ya muppet. :rolleyes:


*ppst* Y2K is over now Hellraiser. You can come out of your bunker, stop hoarding ammunition, and dont worry...the government is not watching you!

[Santo]

Can someone bring i rock glocks here so he can maybe take a hint of what sarcasm is?????

thank you Maija :grin:

[HellRaiser]

You're right. Why should I listen to numbers published by the US Government in accordance with federal affirmative action hiring regulations.

Maybe if you opened your eyes to the real world you COULD SEE... :hehe:
Maybe because you are such a dumbass naieve muppet who doesn't know shit about what the Government does daily,
nevermind constantly projecting numbers FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT, ya sock puppet. :hehe:

when I can listen to some know-it-all unemployed conspiracy theorist nutjob on a drug forum message board whoose infinite wisdoms grace our presence with such intimate knowledge of corporate business and hiring practices that he was able to retire at 35 and live off his self made (no college degree) wealth?

Wow, impressive tirade, here let me help you clarify that. :P

You would be surprised at what I know, but I'm not surprised about how much YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. :P
Know it all? Nope, but knows a lot about business and it's practices.

I can't be insulted as unemployed, if I don't need a job :hehe:

Conspiracy nutjob? hardly, but there are many secrets and events that go on outside media awareness.
But then again what do you know, you live in a bubble in safe happy land.

At least I'm not close minded like you who only chooses to see what ya want instead of reality. :cheeky:

Were both on the drug based message forum ya hypocrite lol. :hehe:

At least I play the games this message board was originally created for the PLAYERS to interact with and not some "walk in" like a medical office looking desperate for online friends. :hehe:

Yes, that is right, I made enough money in 15 years to retire, so I know all about the American Dream.
Now you continue slaving away at your petty job, making ends meet for the next 35-40 years miss smarty pants stat lady. :hehe:
But yes thank you, at least you have acknowledged my infinite wisdom and you are truly lucky to have me in your presence. :grin:


Clearly you are a far more reliable source than the US government, and know much more about the TRUE numbers than they do. How could I have been soo blind?

Just you saying the Government is reliable source proves how much of a muppet you are lol.
Smart people never trust the Government lol. One doesn't Have to be a conspiracist to say that either.
Your blind because your eyes are shut lol. :hehe:

My apologies to anyone who got stuck in this train wreck of a thread....

You should apologize, you came in here ignoring reality and blabbing away with your ( we the people) government stats proclaiming truth,justice and the American Way. :hehe: While totally ignorning the reality of society.

pst* Y2K is over now Hellraiser. You can come out of your bunker, stop hoarding ammunition, and dont worry...the government is not watching you!


Nah, I did jobs for the Government too on certain occassions doing their questionable ethical deeds.
So naturally to people like you in the bubbled world, never existed. :hehe:

[Pirate Hooker with Monkey]

At least I play the games this message board was originally created for the PLAYERS to interact with and not some "walk in" like a medical office looking desperate for online friends. :hehe:

LOL, "walk-ins"?...that's cute. Anyone who knows me here knows that i've been here FAR longer than you and played in more than my fair share of winning cartels. I was in your precious "Assasins of Youth" before you even figured out that the McRonald's strategy was a sham. But keep talking out of your ass, it's what you do best




Nah, I did jobs for the Government too on certain occassions doing their questionable ethical deeds.
So naturally to people like you in the bubbled world, never existed. :hehe:

Unethical deeds for the government? Wow, not only are you a self made millionaire, but also a retired government assasin? or special ops agent? Maybe it was YOU who shot JFK!??! lol

I love the internet. You can be anyone you want to be.....

This has gotten soo far off topic that why don't we spare the rest of the forum another reply and you can return to getting pwned by asshole in the other thread...

nite nite!


Oh wait..... I almost forgot....gotta get in the smiley quota for a hellraiser post :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :cheeky: :grin: :grin: :cheeky: (H)

[Stinger]

Yeah really...get a room...I mean a thread.
*wink*

[HellRaiser]

Unethical deeds for the government? Wow, not only are you a self made millionaire, but also a retired government assasin? or special ops agent? Maybe it was YOU who shot JFK!??! lol

You're an idiot, I never said I was a millionaire nor did I ever claim to be a Government Assassin or special ops agent lol.
I merely said unethical deeds, and leave it at that.

I love the internet. You can be anyone you want to be.....

That is true, so you can continue pretending to be intelligent. :hehe:

This has gotten soo far off topic that why don't we spare the rest of the forum another reply and you can return to getting pwned by asshole in the other thread...

Your concept of pwned is funny though, but then again we are talking about "YOUR WORLD".
But yes, so true about this getting off topic, since you stopped I will too now lol.

:hehe:

Oh wait..... I almost forgot....gotta get in a clear message for the muppet.

:fing: :wierdo: :moon: :dig: :blahblah: :wtf: :wgaf: